Are The Two Kids I'm Raising Really Mine? | KARAMO

In this episode of Karamo’s talk‑show‑style program, host Karamo confronts Rodney, a man who has been raising two children with his partner Donece, about his biological relationship to them. Rodney admits he has been uncertain about his paternity ever since Donece’s pregnancies, recalling that they were not in a committed relationship and that she may have been involved with other men. Donece confirms that multiple men could be the fathers of both children. Karamo brings in a DNA envelope for each child. The first test reveals that Rodney is not the biological father of their son Braylon; the result shows Jay, an audience member, is the biological father. The second test shows Rodney is also not the biological father of their daughter Breanna, leaving her paternity unresolved. Throughout the episode, emotional reactions surface: Rodney expresses love for the children despite the DNA results, Donece accuses Rodney of lying and labels him a pathological liar, and Karamo offers empathy, grief counseling, and urges the parties to consider the children’s best interests. The episode ends with discussions about future involvement, grieving the loss of assumed relationships, and the complexities of blended families.
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So what I'm understanding is that you're unsure if you are the father of either of these two children.
I am, I am unsure.
When did you become unsure?
The day that she was, well, the day that she told me that she was pregnant.
Yes. How did you react when she told you that she was pregnant?
To be honest, at first this is what happened. I blocked her when she told me that she was pregnant.
Oh.
Yeah, I'm gonna be real, I did.
Were you together when she told you she was pregnant?
No.
So you weren't even together in a relationship?
No, no.
Got it. So you block her.
Yeah.
And then when did you unblock her to actually have a conversation?
I unblocked her when I was having a heart-to-heart conversation with a good friend of mine's, and he was basically telling me like, yo, listen, man, if you know what you did and you was with her, step up to the plate, bro. You know what I mean? Do what you gotta do.
And you stepped up?
I did.
So, but in your mind, who else could have been the father of her son?
Her previous boyfriend, the person I was the side piece for.
Got it.
Yeah.
Oh. So you think that potentially this man could have been the father. Because you were just together, you side piece, then just together for a month and a half to two.
Yes.
Got it. She's messing with other people. So you basically then just said, I'm gonna accept the role of the side piece.
Basically.
Got it. Okay, I got it. Okay. So then what happened with her second child? The daughter, your daughter.
This was recent. I never knew that she was messing with somebody else when she told me that she was pregnant with my daughter.
Got it.
Because at that time we wasn't together, but I thought we was clear that it was just like us.
Yeah.
You know what I mean? Like nobody else. So I didn't know that she had like somebody else that she was messing with before.
Got it.
She never told me that this baby, my daughter, could be mine or anything of like that nature. It was the same thing from the time that she was pregnant with my son. She told me, I was happy, and I was probably even more happier, honestly.
Because this time you're like, we're together.
Yeah, exactly. You know what I mean?
We're together, but. You think you're not talking to anybody else.
Exactly. So I was even more ecstatic. I was happy. I was just like, okay. And I even played like the biggest part. I was there for everything. I was there for the umbilical cord cutting. I was there for—
Wow.
The birth. I took the videos. I was there for literally everything from the time that they was born up to the time, you know, right now.
Wow. So how did you find out she may not be yours?
Well, through argument. It was an argument. We had an argument recently, like a month ago. And as we was arguing, she said something to me that hit. And what she said was, "Be happy that your daughter is yours and not the person I'm with now." Now that really, like, it really hit. Like, I understand, but it hit me when I got home. Like, what do you mean by that? Like, what are you trying to say? And then it's crazy because after like—
Be happy your daughter's not— The other man.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Wow, okay.
By her telling me that—
Do you have real emotions for this woman?
I do, I do.
Because I know that we can joke around with you, the fact that y'all never stayed in a committed relationship, you were a side piece, blah, blah, blah. But at the end of the day, you're raising these kids with her, you love them, you're there. This is a woman you love and you cherish.
I do.
Did you hope at one point that there would be a future?
I did.
You did?
I do. I love her so much.
Yeah. Here you go, brother. It's all right. Here you go. Here you go, brother. Do you think she loves you?
Honestly? Well, you know.
Okay. Well, I think it's time to meet Denise and find out her side of this story. And also I wanna know if she loves you. So everyone, please welcome Donece to the show. First of all, my producers are telling me before we even start that you said you have a, there's a confession you have to make.
It's a few other people.
What do you mean?
When it comes to my son.
So there's more, it's more than just your ex and him?
Yes.
That could potentially be the father?
Yes.
Did you know that?
I did not know.
Okay. How does that make you feel hearing that information? Yeah, got it. What about your daughter? Is it just, is he the only potential person or?
No.
No? There's multiple people there too?
Yeah.
Okay.
But he knew what it was at the end of the day, so don't like sit here.
It's not that like I knew what it was, it's just like you first wanted to play.
Hold on, but let me talk though. Let me talk, let me talk, let me talk. Because he knew what it was from the beginning. We was really never together. He lied, he cheated, he did all that, you know what I'm saying?
He did admit to that. He did admit to that. Did you ever consider him a relationship or was he always a side piece to you?
Yes, I did consider him, but he definitely was, you know, but that's because that's what he wanted to be. You know, that's what he started.
I did not want it to be a side piece.
That's what he started off to be, with the side piece, you feel what I'm saying?
That's how I started off, but when I started like burning out my feelings. Every time I tell you my feelings or how I feel about you, it's like you just misdirect them. It's like you just, it goes one ear and out the other. It's like you never wanna hear me. It's like you never wanna hear what I gotta say. And then you, everything you're talking about, understand that these happened a little while ago. I've been stopping my doggish ways for you. I've been, yo, I put everything down just for you and the kids and you cannot say that it's not a fact. I do everything for you and the kids. Everything.
Everything.
Yo, bro, I'm gonna keep it real. I do know, I do know that I'm not a saint. I may not be the best father. The most perfect person.
No, he does. I mean, not be all that perfect.
He does, he's a great father.
Great father.
But when it comes to being in a relationship with me, hell no.
Because you never wanna take out to understand who I am or who I am as a person. You never wanna take out, you never wanna communicate. And I always told you communication is always a must.
You're a liar and you're a pathological liar. You're not just a liar, you're a pathological liar. You lie for nothing, absolutely no reason at all. Like for what? Why would I wanna be with somebody? And I tell you this time and time again, Why would I wanna be with somebody that keep lying?
How long have you known that he may not be the father of your son or your daughter? Since day one?
My son since day one, yeah.
And your daughter?
I didn't really like, I'm only saying that because I feel like she do look like him, but it's still a possibility. But with my son, it was like literally since basically day one, you know?
Who are some of the other potential fathers? I know we have—
A couple people that I used to talk to.
So we know we have Rodney, we know we have the ex. And so you're saying there's a mystery man we might not know that you don't talk to? But I also heard that as well, there's the guy named Jay that we've invited here today who's in the audience. Jay, are you here? Hey, how we doing? Rodney, did you know about Jay? You ever heard of him?
No.
Okay, so Jay, what are your thoughts on this situation? I thought this was a joke. Okay. Seriously, the producers called me, I thought this was a joke. I was taking it like a joke. Apparently this is not a joke. So I'm just here to find out if I have a kid or not. Yeah. I'd rather not, but I'm just here. Yeah. Just here. So you'd rather not?
Don't even play with me like that. Don't even play with me like that because you the same that wrote me talking about, can we be a family? Talking about, can I come to your hotel room?
Don't even play with me like that. I definitely didn't do that one.
What?
I definitely didn't do it.
So you ain't know that my son could possibly be yours? You didn't know that, right? You didn't know that, right? So if like we could pull up some messages, that wouldn't be you either?
No.
Oh, okay. Why?
'Cause you got like 5, 6—
So what is the situation between you two? That's crazy. What's the situation between you two?
He's wild for that.
We're friends. We were just cooling. You're friends? And you're saying, and point blank, you're saying because So you dated, did you hook up, what was it? We were just hanging out on weekends. So you hung out, so you were never in a relationship. So it was just hanging out and sexual. You slept together a couple times. A couple times. Okay, that's good.
Yeah, a couple times.
Jay, I wanna invite you down here because I'm gonna get to the DNA truth right now and I think you should be down here. Come on down. Let's go have a fun day. It's gonna be amazing. Let's do it. All right, well first we're gonna look at the DNA truth for, your son. Rodney, in this envelope is the DNA truth if you are Braylon's father.
All right.
Are you ready for this?
Yeah, I am.
Please read it out loud for us.
Rodney is not Braylon's biological father.
Got it. So sorry. You kind of said you had a possibility of knowing that?
I did. I did.
So that was in your mind?
I did, yeah.
How does it make you feel knowing this information?
Yo, at the end of the day, that's still my boy. I love him. I know you guys hate him all the time. It's not gonna make me feel no different. It's not gonna erase anything that happens in the past. I was still there for everything, you know what I mean? And at the end of the day, he's still my son. So I don't know what's gonna happen after.
So that means, what's going on through your mind right now? 'Cause I see you tearing up.
I'll fuck.
Okay. So this means that it could be Jay's or the ex's. Jay, you've been over there smiling. Huh? You've been over there smiling. What is your thoughts? You've been very clear that you didn't, you know, this was just something you messed around with. You didn't want this. And that this is, you don't want this child. You've been very clear. And I don't, I'm not gonna say that I can knock you if you've not been involved in this situation, if y'all weren't really dating, for you to get shocked by my producers to say, hey, you gotta have a child. I understand why you thought this could be a joke, but you're saying it's not. But what's going on in your head? What's the smiles for? 'Cause are you nervous? Yeah, nervous is the word.
There we go.
Yeah, so you nervous? Yeah. All right, well, in this DNA envelope right here is the truth. Are you ready for this? No. I know you're not. Well, this is your truth to open. Wonderful. You wanna open it? No? All right, that's fine. Can you read it out loud for us? Huh? What does it say? Jay is Braylon's biological dad. So wonderful, so wonderful. It's so wonderful. So you just found out you have a son? New kid.
What's going through my mind is that—
This is a lot for you to process.
Not only that.
That nigga's really deadass.
He wanted to have a kid with me.
I did.
You feel what I'm saying? So when we did what we did, it was on some like, yeah, you gonna be my first baby mother. You feel what I'm saying? Because tell 'em what your name is.
Huh?
Tell 'em what your name is.
My name is Jay.
What they call you?
Jerome?
What you call yourself actually? He call himself Poppy. That's what he call himself.
Wicked. It is.
That's what you call yourself, right? As my son got older.
Well, you were claiming it. You were calling yourself these names. I mean.
As my son got older, he looked just like him.
Jay, do you have other children? I have zero, no. You have no children?
No, no, no. I wrote him and I thought it was a possibility.
So this is your first child? Unfortunately. It's a whole person. Yeah.
That look. Even down to the ears.
So hearing you say that now, that means in your mind you kind of already knew.
I knew though, I knew.
Oh, you did know?
I knew, but how could I? I didn't like, I was trying to prove it and I told him. Jay, did I not tell you?
Did you know that she was telling him?
When my son was 1 year old.
Yeah, nothing about him.
He knows nothing about him. And he know nothing about him.
So if you thought for sure that this would be, if that Jay was the father and you saw your son looking like him, why didn't you let everybody in know?
I did let, I been told him that before I had my son, you know, that it's a possibility.
This is what I'm gonna do, Jay, I'm gonna give you some time. If you need help navigating the emotions or where you're at right now, I'm here for you. So I'm gonna go ahead and send you backstage, let you process this information, and we have to get to the results of your daughter. So I'll be back there in a little bit if you need some help.
I love children and I've always wanted to be a father, so I would never ever take anybody away from their children, you know what I mean? Like, I'm happy, you know, that we got to the bottom of this. So it's like, bro, do what you gotta do. You know, you got a son now, you found out you have a kid, so obviously I want you to get to know your child, you feel what I'm trying to say? But now if I'm finding out that Breanna might not be mine, where does that leave me?
Yeah. Well, I think it's time to get to the DNA truth of this as well. So Breanna, who you've been raising, how old is she now? 1. She's 1 years old. Again, this is your truth to open, not mine. Please read us and tell us what it says.
Rodney, you are not— My biological father.
Brother, come here, let me give you a hug, man. Come here, man. Damn. I'm sorry, man. I'm really sorry. I'm really, really sorry. I'm really sorry. I got you, I got you. I'm sorry, man. I'm sorry. Yeah, I know, I know, man. I know, I know, I know. There you go. What do you have to say? What are your thoughts? What do you wanna say to him?
I really am sorry. Rodney, I'm sorry.
So do you know who these mystery men are? Have you been in contact with them?
Yeah.
And have you been able to tell them what's going on?
Oh, they know.
Yeah, they know.
Yeah.
Rodney, I'll tell you this. This has been a lot of information that you received all at once, and I'm very sorry, especially when you just said you're in a spot in your life right now. Where things are not the best. I'm so sorry. We don't understand in these moments what it's supposed to mean for us and what lesson we're supposed to learn and how we're supposed to use this as a tool to grow. And in time that will reveal itself. But right now I need you to understand that you're gonna go through a process of grieving. You're gonna have to grieve the life you had, the relationships you had, and also try to figure out what's new. And I want you to know as you're on that process of grieving and figuring out, I wanna be here to support you. And any conversations you need, I got you, okay?
Seriously, seriously.
And if there's any support that you need in talking to these other two men and finding out the truth, let us know. I think for you, this is probably one of the best things that can happen for you because what's happening is all the secrecy, the things that's been going on in your head, you're getting purged of that. Yes, it's affecting other people's lives, but at the end of the day, this truth ultimately is going to support you to support these kids in having the best life. Because it's better while they're young to find out information and versus being 15, 20, 30, 40 and feeling as if their life is a lie. So I appreciate you being honest and I appreciate you trusting me with your story and know that I'm here for you with these men. But I do have one last question for you. Rodney asked, is there space for him in your kids' life? And I wanna know from you, do you think there's space in your kids' life for him?
How I can put it is yes, actually, but how?
Well, I think once tempers, once emotions are settled, y'all can figure that out to some degree?
He love my kids, but he good. These kids ain't his. He gonna go on about his life. You know, all he probably need is like a month or something like that. He good.
Okay, possible.
I know he love my kids though. I know he do, but trust me, he good. That's a weight off his back.
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