Are You Cheating, Lying, Or Both?! | KARAMO

So what happened last night?

Tell me. Before I even get into all of that, Karamo, let me just tell you how much I adore you.

Oh, thank you.

Absolutely adore you. I did not— I appreciate that. For me personally, this was more than just entertainment. This is my life.

Amen.

And I felt like that you are not entertainment, you are feeding people.

I'm trying.

So—

I'm trying.

I'm trying.

Thank you. Thank you, Mom, I appreciate that.

The man I brought here today, I absolutely adore him. I love him so much.

Yeah.

Even if we're not together, I still want him to know that this was for us.

Yeah.

So for 20 years, over 20 years, we've been dealing with each other. He's never made me feel any type of way about females.

Never.

Ever. Until I looked in that phone in, I remember the day, November 28th, I looked at his phone. Wow. November 29th or the 30th, I called y'all.

Wow. 'Cause you saw stuff.

Because I couldn't handle it. I don't know what to do. Yeah.

So what happened last night?

Last night, as soon as that liquor hit that lip, I know I'm about to dip.

Okay?

He said, "We ain't never been together." He said, "We ain't never went together." That's what he said? Yes, sir.

Wow. Okay, let me see. I know my producers said they put together a timeline.

Yes, yes.

Let me see this timeline.

Oh Lordy. Can I get up? Yeah, of course you can. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I say, "Can I get up?" and I'm up. Okay, so 2004 is when me and Michael met. We both were in different relationships.

Okay.

So it never, we never, you know, really did anything.

Yeah.

So in 2005 is when he slept with my friend. Mm-hmm. I mean, it crushed me, of course. Yeah. And I was a little—

Hold on, let's take a break. What's making you emotional? What's making you emotional?

This whole situation. Why am I here?

Okay.

Oh boy. Okay.

Yeah, I get it. I get it. Here, come sit with me. Come sit with me. We can see the timeline. This is a lot. This heavy. This heavy on your heart. So Michael, I'm gonna ask you point blank. Have you cheated on her?

No.

No. Okay. And how do you feel about everything that she said?

That's her truth.

Okay.

It's like, you know, ah.

So have you called her B-words?

Yes, I have.

Okay, so that's both of y'all truths then.

Yeah.

Okay. When you get drunk, do you say a lot of things that are even more hurtful?

Probably.

Okay, so that's not just her truth, that's both of y'all truths then.

For sure.

That's why I'm just saying that's her truth. Like, this is, she's, that's it.

Okay.

Yeah, that's it.

Did you tell her last night that y'all are not together?

I told her that we've never been together.

Wow.

We've never had a conversation to where we've talked to each other and said that—

Karamo, it's crazy to me. I'm sorry. It's crazy to me how you be talking about how we not together, but when you be on the phone, "I'm with my girl, I'm with my girl, I'm with my girl." So we ain't never had no conversation of us being together? Multiple conversations?

We've never talked to each other and committed to each other to be in a monogamous relationship and to be together. And I've never had that. We've never had that relationship.

This man has not initiated this conversation. It is not for me to initiate. It's for you. You are the man. Why are you not initiating it? That's what I be saying to him.

Like, it's not, you know I wanna be with you. So 20 years. You're saying in 20 years you felt like we were just having a sexual on and off relationship?

Um, pretty much because, um, when you, when you, you know.

So in '22 when we went to New York, we went together?

I mean, no.

Okay, well can I ask you this? Let me ask you this, 'cause I could take a contract.

So 23 when we went to New York, we wasn't together?

No. Can you see how it could be misleading to someone if we're doing all the behaviors of a relationship, we've had a 20-year consistency or on and off in our relationship, And in the past, especially 3 years of this, you know, 20 years on and off, we are spending all of our time, we're taking trips, we talk every day, you know, we're spending all of our times. You can't see how that's misleading a little?

No, I get it. Okay, you do? I understand exactly what you're saying. It's like, thing is, dude, I don't think she gets it.

Though.

Like, it's, when you—

That's what I deal with.

When you make certain decisions and actions, you know, you gotta stand on that.

And what are those actions?

It doesn't even matter.

Yes, it do matter. That's why we here, dog. That's why we here. That's why we here.

So, 'cause I'm gonna ask you two things, 'cause I'm gonna get back to this. If I asked your family member if y'all were together, would they say yes?

Ask me. If my family, if you ask my family.

Yes. But I wanna know if I asked your family member if y'all were together, would they say yes?

They might.

Okay. Listen, I'm gonna tell you like this, Karamo. When we leave here, if we not together, he will never see me again. He will never talk to me again. If we cannot come to some type of situation right over here, he will never talk. Boy, [MASKED]. I'm so irritated, Karamo. Like, he irritates the shit outta me. Seriously. You sitting up here acting—

Why would—

Yeah.

So let me ask you that. Why would you clap?

'Cause—

Oh my God.

You know, it's so funny because it's like for the last 3 months it's been, "Leave me alone. Leave me alone." Get away from me. I'm blocked. I'm like, come on, man, this stuff don't even matter.

So you don't even wanna be in a relationship?

No.

You don't?

No.

You don't?

No.

Karamo, when he be like—

No, hold on. No, no, no. Because this is important.

This is important.

I'm sorry. This is important.

Like, this is ridiculous.

This is important because this is how we end the disrespect. I asked him if he wants to be in a relationship and he said no.

So why the fuck am I here? Why am I here?

The last 48 hours you have displayed everything.

I've been asking this man. No, fuck the 48 hours. I'm talking about, I'm so sorry, y'all. This is ridiculous. This is so stupid. So we didn't come here to try to get a resolution to us being together.

We did, definitely.

But then that ended.

William, I blocked you last night.

When I blocked you.

Everything from the Uber ride to the airport, that shit is dead.

And you right, I will never see you again. It's cool, it's cool.

Mind you, mind you, mind you, I've been trying to get away from this man for 2 years.

I don't care, I don't care. Now that we have this, Thank you for being honest. I know it was hard. I know you wanted that before, but we got some clarity and honesty.

You kidding me?

I know, I know. There you go, you got it. Now that we heard that, Lakeisha, my producer's also telling me there's something else that you should see.

Apparently our—

What do you mean?

Apparently our hidden cameras caught a conversation in the green room that you were having. Take a look.

Her son calling on the team, my son's playing on the team. Things happen. We did sexual things. Like, we did sexual stuff. She assumes that we, you know, were sleeping together. And I was like, "Nope." You heard me there. I did none of them sexual things. But it's like, we did do stuff. You know what I'm saying?

See, now we just saw what she been seeing.

That's about—

You's a lying ass.

But you know, we just all saw what she been seeing.

But that's—

Because that's the— No, no, no, no, no, no. But you saw, we all just saw what you been seeing because you say that you don't play games with her. You say that you've been upfront, but then we just saw you said you lie to her. I tell her the truth.

I tell her— I say the Genesis.

You said, 'cause we just saw it. 'Cause all he do is play games.

No, no, no. I'm saying, that's about, you know, the most, yeah.

So we just caught you playing the game. So this is why she upset. This is why she, this is what you have been misleading her. And so you've been misleading her and then disrespecting her in the process.

And I'm sorry.

I don't care. I don't give a fuck. You know how many times I done heard I'm sorry?

Well, let's go ahead.

Let's do this.

'Cause Michael, let's just get all the information out. Michael, we also unlocked your phone. Let's find out.

You got me looking like a fuck. —family. That's what you are. You are a [MASKED].

All right, Lakeisha, you wanna know if Michael has any explicit photos. He says he does not. My off-the-phone investigator searched his photos and found that Michael is not telling the truth. My investigator found 2 explicit photos of him FaceTiming his child's mother on October 25th, 1 screenshot of a contact named My Love, which was recently deleted in December 2025. So there's another woman that he calls his love. Can we see him? Yeah, Lakeisha, you wanna know if Michael has any suspicious activity on his apps. He says he does not. Our octophone investigator searched his apps and found that Michael is not telling the truth. We found 19 money transactions totaling over $6,000 between him and a woman named [MASKED]. His Instagram and Facebook apps have also been deleted. Okay. Lakeisha, you wanna know if Michael has been texting other women, including 3 specific women. Which we know is true.

What's her name?

He says he is not. My Lock the Phone investigator searched his texts and found that Michael is not telling the truth. My investigator found 347 text messages between the 3 different women, 313 text messages with, but 227 of those were recently deleted before he was coming here. Most recently, the contact with her was 2 days ago. And there was 24 texts with the girl named from September up until last Tuesday, and 10 texts with a message from on January 6th. Can I see this? Okay, so, okay, so this is September. Can you read? I love you, Mike. Hey, I'mma be on my way to the apartment.

I've seen all of that.

Just 'cause she's seen it don't mean it's right. You've been misleading her.

Well, I know that, but I'm just—

This is the photos you were sending her talking about, "Yes, Daddy." This is stuff you saw. This is where he sent her and said, "I love you, you gonna be my wife." Wow. Okay. Now this one is saying, "I wanna fuck you tonight. I'm sorry, I had a crush on you. I've been having a crush on you since 6th grade." "Me too, I was wishing we could have swapped dates when we all went to the movie. Can we talk?" So you still doing that? Okay, here go more FaceTimes with her and the girl. You see this? This is her naked with them FaceTiming. Why you making that face?

Because she see all of this.

But that don't mean it's right.

But I'm just saying.

You saying I'm right.

I'm not saying it's right. I'm not saying it is right. I'm not saying it is right.

So our hidden cameras also caught a conversation Lakeisha had in the green room. I wanna take a look at this.

I'm really trying to build myself back up, but it's like, dude, that's all I know. I don't wanna be with nobody else. I'm not interested in nobody else. I'm not interested in dating. My last boyfriend died in my face from COVID and I don't wanna deal with nobody else. That's why it was so easy for me to deal with him. But if he comes out that you've had sex with anybody, I am absolutely, completely done. I'm walking away. And matter of fact, I'm getting a flight to North Carolina, and he will never see me again.

Okay.

Mm-hmm.

You saw the little arrogant smile he did? He feels as if he has power over you.

No. This is what I do.

He feel like he got power over you.

No.

Yes, you do. Yes, you do. You think you can overcome that situation? Very possessive.

I want the best for you.

Don't want me around nobody. You don't want the best for her? Can't be around nobody.

There's no way you can want the best for her when you calling her bees, when you telling her outta her name, talking to all these other women. When you sat on this stage and told her you don't want her, you don't want the best for her. What you wanna do is you wanna break her down and destroy her. No. You do. And now I have more context. You've known her for 20 years and you probably knew her when she was in a stage where she liked to do this toxic stuff with you. But now she grew up and then she had a love that she lost because of 20 COVID. And you said, let me sweep back in and let me get in here because I know she's vulnerable. It seems like from what I'm reading is that you have a pattern of going after vulnerable women because you know if any of them were not vulnerable, they wouldn't put up your shit. So that's what you try to do. You saw the messages. You saw them on your own. We have reconfirmed. He has told you and disrespected you privately and on this stage. The hidden camera we saw of you said that, "If I see anything, I'm gonna have the strength to leave." He smiled because he doesn't believe it.

Oh, he know.

No. I'm gonna leave. So I'm gonna help you.

So listen.

So I've been trying to leave. I know this was some shit. I know it was some shit. And I knew it was some shit. And I've been trying to leave you. You wouldn't let me. I came here. You unlocked my phone too, right? Because I'm tired of getting accused of stuff that I have never done.

So just let you know, we unlocked your phone. He know that he be messing with telling himself about me. There was nothing on her phone. We looked at text messages. She said she's not doing the truth. We looked at her communication on social media. There's no reason. The truth. She's not doing anything. We looked at her communicating with any other men. There's no reason. The truth. Not doing anything.

I love you. I love you with everything in me. I told you from the start, all I did was love you. You were never right for me. It's crazy.

Get it out. Get it out.

It's crazy. Karamo. Karamo.

No, no, no, no, no, no. Let me tell you something real quick. No, no, you listen to me real quick.

Focus on me. I'm sorry.

No, you don't need to apologize. Your reaction is his reward.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. That is your mantra when you leave this stage. So if you start to open your mouth to react, to defend, to cuss out, to tell him any of these things, you're rewarding him and bringing him right back in your life.

Mm-hmm.

So if you wanna know how to handle this situation, don't say a single word.

Yeah.

'Cause I promise you, it will not reward his ego. And after a while, he will, find someone else to get that from.

Okay. I just—

You rewarding him. Now again, I have faith in your growth because I really want you to be better. I want you to be better.

I am.

I pray you are.

I just, it was like weak.

See, so let me show y'all something. So this is what I'm teaching y'all and I teach y'all in real time these things. She was screaming, he started smiling. Her reaction was his reward.

No, I'm smiling. I'm smiling. You know why I'm smiling though?

The smile did not happen until you heard her reaction.

No, but I was trying to explain to you. Okay, explain.

No, explain to me, sir. Explain to me because again, I have faith in it.

I just was smiling because I just was sitting here thinking like, it's been a lot done on both ends, bro.

I believe it, I believe it.

But we gonna roll with this.

Okay, no, no, no, let me be real. Roll with this narrative. No, no, no, before you go.

And I'll be all of this.

No, let me be very clear before you go.

I'll be all of this.

Let me be very clear because I wanna always make sure I leave this stage even. I have no doubt that she has cussed you out She has admitted that y'all went tit for tat, but she didn't lead you on. She told you her intentions. You led her on and then led on other women as well. And I hope you take this as an opportunity to grow and be better. I wish you the best of luck, all right? For sure.