Cheating Cousins & Family Betrayals: The Truth Comes OUT! | KARAMO

I wasn't dancing on the table. I was— I had my phone in my hand. No, I wasn't. Your butt was against the table and you were shaking your butt. Definitely was not shaking my ass. I wasn't doing that though. I'm sitting behind— the table's behind me and I got my phone in my hand. I'm listening to the music. Of course I'm gonna vibe out. I asked you in the room, I say, yo, you trying to dance a little bit? Because like we had parties and that made me uncomfortable as well. My boyfriend is in the room. Why would I want to dance with you? In front of my boyfriend. Bro, is this like any type of dance that's sexual though? It's not. No. It's not, it's not.

That's all. How does it make you feel that she doesn't want you and Lawrence to be friends on Instagram?

I mean, I'm totally cool with it. I don't wanna be his friend either.

Got it. 'Cause you're saying since there's nothing going on, you're like, I don't need to be in, your cousin's most important.

Yeah, for sure. Like, I don't wanna talk to Lawrence. What do I wanna talk to Lawrence for? I don't talk to him.

So, Santa, why does Sylvia feel like you cheated with Lawrence then? I get it, you danced in front of him.

Maybe, maybe.

I get it, but she said that you didn't, you know, the social media, but there has to be something else.

I mean, we were at Sesame Place one time and she told me, she pulled me to the side. We was about to get on a ride and she was like, "Oh, I seen him looking at you. I seen him touch your butt with his foot." I said, "Hey yo, I ain't even feel that joint." I swear to God. Like at the end of the day, like I'm not here to hurt you. I'm not here to do nothing like that.

I'm here to show my loyalty to you.

So she put on your butt and you said you didn't feel it. Did you see it?

She said she seen that joint.

What did you see? Tell me.

I actually just said that because I just wanted to see what she was gonna say. It's cool. I'm gonna stay in my mind though.

So you actually didn't see it. You just wanted to see if you could catch them in something to see if like she's gonna say something.

Yeah.

Mm.

All right, I asked Sylvia this question earlier and I'm gonna ask you again, Sylvia. What's on line for you right now if I unlock their phones and you find something?

My family.

Yeah?

Like, and my relationship with my cousin too. It's rocky right now, but I still love her. Like, I just wanna make sure like there's nothing going on.

Got it. All right, Sylvia's boyfriend Lawrence has been listening backstage and we need to hear his side of the story. So Lawrence, come on out. How you doing? So Lawrence, good to meet you.

Nice to meet you too.

So you cheated on Sylvia?

Yeah, in the past.

And have you cheated on Sylvia with her cousin? Let me ask you directly.

Hell no.

Yeah, you said that you cheated on her in the past. When was the last time you cheated on her?

About a few months ago.

Santa, is there something that you wanna tell Sylvia about Lawrence?

Yeah. So one day I was like going through my story and I caught you in my story.

Oh, well, my girl be looking on her page sometimes.

She got her blocked on my Instagram, so I don't know how that even came across.

If it was, it was my girlfriend that did it.

Is there anything for you, because he cheated on you once before from you said, is there anything that could break this relationship?

If they were sleeping around or if he has done something within the past You know, since we officially like made things right, it's been a couple months, like 4 months or 3 months.

So since 4 months, in the past 4 months, everything before 4 months is forgiven. But if there's anything within the past 4 months, that's where you're like—

That's where I'm like, forgive me.

All right, listen, when we come back everyone, we are going to unlock their phones. We're gonna be starting off with you, Santa. When it came to your texts, we found zero texts. When it came to apps, we found that there was one suspicious thing in the apps. And when it came to DMs, we found 9 DMs that would be suspicious.

Okay.

Are you concerned about what we found?

Not at all.

We found things on the phone that could lead us to say something could be going on.

I know there's nothing on my phone that has anything to do with him.

When it came to text messages between you two, there was zero suspicious text messages. One of the big things is that there was one app that was found, and this is a big one because your only ask was that they did not follow each other on social media. We found in this app that Lawrence and Santa are following each other on Instagram.

I'm not following him.

Yo, I do not know what's going on right now.

What do you mean you don't know what's going on? They're following each other on social media. All right, so when it comes to the DMs, there's a private Instagram chat exchange between Santa and Lawrence. So you're saying that we don't follow each other and now you gonna tell me that we didn't find this on June 22nd, 2022? What is this?

That was me.

That was you.

Yeah, I don't even have that in my phone.

That was you. So you're trying to get in there. So the following and all of this is from you. This is from you.

That was me.

Got it. So Santa, you're in the clear. You're in the clear.

I know I was.

That's messy on your part. She knew.

She knew that I was writing him. He blocked me. No, he was fighting.

But what happens is that that's entrapment. You're trying to set up something and unfortunately you're using your cousin to do that.

I already knew it was her texting me, but she tried to play it off saying, why am I texting her cousin?

I get it. But see, the problem is that when you include yourself, it then starts to become messy. It sends the wrong messages and it's unfair to her. How do you feel? 'Cause you're in the clear now.

There's relief on my end. I knew I never did nothing. I knew I never said nothing.

All right, so there's nothing found between your cousin and your man. So you gotta stop accusing her. I need you two to swap spots and I need you close to me. All right, because now we got it clear with your cousin, but now we're talking about your man. When it came to your DMs, we found one thing that came up suspicious. When it came to the apps, we found one thing that came up as suspicious. And when it came to photos, we found 378 photos that were suspicious.

Yo, that's not right.

Yo, that's not right. 378?

She know about those.

Okay, let's look at the DM right now. This is a number to a woman named Angel saying, my number will pop up as this thing because you were trying to text with her and engage with her. Do you know about this?

No.

Okay then.

No, what is that?

And you see the timeline there? It says 22 hours ago. Oh, what are your thoughts?

That's old though.

Oh, it says 22 hours.

I don't know what that is. I really don't.

All right, when it comes to apps, we found one suspicious app on the phone, which was Lawrence, you installed Tinder and you are an active account user.

Oh, Tinder.

You installed Tinder in May. The last time it was accessed was in October 14th.

That's what I'm saying. I don't know what that is.

So does it mean—

I don't know how to Tinder my phone.

But it says you accessed it in October.

I know.

We give dates. Why you smiling?

'Cause I see that. I don't—

Okay, so like literally he's gonna try to charm you and gaslight you right now. Santa, talk to your cousin here 'cause she was accusing you and now she, She's seeing the proof and she's still saying, uh-uh, I don't know nothing.

But at the end of the day, he's a cheater. He cheated on you so many times. I don't give a fuck. I'll say it to your face. You cheat on my cousin all the fucking time and I don't like that shit.

All right, so when it comes to photos, we found 378 images considered nudity. Some of the images were sent through text, which means you are sharing images with other women. And these are within the past 4 months. The reason I asked you to get closer is because these are photos that were shared that I cannot show. All right, so this is the first one that was shared. You don't need to see 'em. You can back up. They were already on your phone. This is the first image that was shared. So there's some images in the last 4 months that he had on his phone that he received. And that's not you?

No, that's not me.

Okay, now the next one.

Let me see, are all of these from June?

No, no, this is recently, last 4 months. Okay then, so this is the last photo.

I just got a problem deleting stuff, that's my fault.

This is a photo that was in the last 4 months.

That's you?

That's whoa.

But that's you?

This is a photo of him receiving, this is a photo of him receiving, this is a photo of him receiving fellatio from another woman.

Yeah, wow.

Yo, that's dope.

You asked me for a certain time period and you asked me for phones, apps, and DMs. I've given you the answers you want. This is where you have to say, I asked you before, what was at stake? You said my relationship was at stake. I know you have a child together and I understand that. And so it's very hard and complicated when you're breaking up families and things of that nature. And I'm not trying to tell you to break up, but you asked for proof and you got your proof. Talk to your man.

He don't got nothing to say.

First of all, you know about all those pictures and the messages.

The 3 pictures, but not that one.

Bro, that is old, bro. I could tell you when we leave when that happened, but that was not in 4 months though. That was not even 5 months, 6 months ago.

So I think whatever issues you two have, you gotta be able to figure it out. I do agree with my audience member. You need to find a new place to live. At the end of the day—

I got somewhere to live.

Yeah, yeah, at the end of the day, at the end of the day, for y'all to really rebuild your relationship, I think is gonna be most important here. Y'all gotta figure it out. You, you in a situation where you gonna get away with whatever the hell you want to get away with.

Come on, what?

Why y'all think that? Yo, why do y'all think that?

Listen, I'm not mad at you. I'm not mad at you. That didn't come across as mad at you. Listen, you in a position where you young, you getting to do what you want to do because she's not setting any boundaries with you.

No, she did.

She has, and I learned my lesson. I used to be way worse than what I am right now. I used to be way worse.

But who's? That's—

Bro, that joint is old. That picture is old. I don't know how he— He good at what he do 'cause I don't know how he found that. I don't know how he found that.

But do you feel like the fight is what caused the miscarriage to happen?

Oh yeah, definitely.

Definitely.

'Cause I mean, I was already almost 6 weeks. So at that point without us knowing, I was living regular, moving regular. There was nothing else that could have happened until then. And we fought pretty hard, so.

Yeah, so if he would've never thrown that first punch in your opinion.

Yeah, I feel like it could've been deaded. Like it wasn't that serious 'cause I don't know her and she don't know me from a can of paint. So I don't care for her, but I'm gonna let you know that I don't like how you disrespected me behind your friend.

Got it.

You know? And it would've really been left at that.

Well, I'll tell you this, your cousin Brendan tells a different story. So I want y'all to see what he said before the show.

Karamo, I have something to say. She said I killed her baby, but maybe it was that 8 shots of Crown Royal that she took that day. Out of control, drunk, and belligerent. She said I attacked her. Hmm, more like her drunk ass attacked me. I just had to defend myself. She was out there getting messy with that bottle in her hand at that baby shower.

He is lying.

Well, I want to hear what Brendan has to say. He drink. He drink.

He drink like me.

Everyone, please welcome Brendan to the show.

We all drink the same. We all drink the same thing.

Please, please.

No, I do not. Yes, you do. But you pregnant though. I killed your baby? I killed your baby? I killed your baby? You didn't tell nobody though? I didn't? You— who? So you didn't tell my best friend? Your best friend? My best friend didn't call my phone? I asked you the same question. I was drinking before too. You're saying that I was drinking at the party? What are you talking about?

I was not.

But you were saying before. Yeah, you was. I talked to your best friend after that happened. Yeah, about the miscarriage. What are you talking about? What that got to do with me drinking?

Okay, whatever.

Nothing. That has nothing to do with me drinking. I didn't lose my baby from alcohol. I lost my baby 'cause you put your hands on me.

Right, okay.

Do you think you're responsible at all for the miscarriage?

No.

Not at all?

I don't.

So did you attack her?

No, she attacked me and I just defended myself.

Okay.

I walked up to you. I walked up to you and you punched me in my face. You swung first, so how I attack you? You didn't walk up to me. How I attack you then?

You didn't walk up to me.

What is an attack?

You didn't walk up to me.

You can't even give me a definition. What is an attack?

You should never came up to me.

Walking up to you is not attacking you.

So from your point of view, what happened?

So basically what happened was I was actually on the phone with my friend. "To be exact, I was talking to my friend about proposing to my boyfriend." Okay.

"I told her to give me a few months. When I said that, Wisdom said, 'A few months for what?' And I said, 'Ooh, you all in our business.' My friend replied and said the same thing." Wisdom?

Why is you talking to somebody about engaging somebody? Somebody you don't even talk to on a regular basis.

I do, she do my makeup all the time. Let me shut up.

Anyway. You talking to somebody you went to cosmetology school with about proposing, but not your best friend?

But anyway.

He just coming up with shit. But like I was saying though, she said that, Wisdom outta nowhere, "Who this bitch talking to you, bum ass bitch, da da da da da." So basically she was like, "You can go outside and talk to the bitch." I said, "I will then." I literally got up and she's coming at me.

I mean, coming at me fast. So of course, like I said, we have always fought.

Show him coming, what is coming fast? What's coming fast? Fast, what do you mean fast? It don't matter. Was he walking? Is that still a walk? That's still a walk. I really don't care.

That seemed like a little quick walk in the moment. But like she said though, we're always fighting.

Got it. It's always a point where we argue.

If somebody is coming up to you, of course I'm, what's up?

Don't come to me, girl or boy, it really doesn't matter. Look at him, a grown man, and look at me. I'm 5'3", I got on a little heel. Look at him and look at me. I'm walking up, what? What are you talking about? You punching down at me. What are you talking about?

I did hit her. I did hit her. I did. She shouldn't have been coming at me though. She didn't have no reason to get up.

So what did she say to you on the day of the fight?

She called me a dirty bitch. She told me to— She called me a bum.

She said that I need Jesus and all this other stuff. Like she literally like showed her ass and I didn't give a fuck.

Can I ask you a question though? 'Cause I got the details on that. How did you find out she lost the baby?

My best friend called me one day.

And how did that make you feel when you heard that?

I don't even know, honestly. Her child now, I was in the delivery room with her.

Got it.

I slept on the floor for 2 days for her.

Here you go, boo. Here you go, baby.

And so hearing that, yeah, it was a lot. But at the time I was going through stuff too also. And I had to put myself first.

Got it, got it.

She had people around her, whether she went to them or not. I was homeless, didn't have a job, and at the time my car was in the shop for 5 weeks.

I begged him to come live with me in my apartment. But regardless of all of that, I was still there for him. I wasn't prying on him or none of that, but I begged him to come stay with me. You can use my car, you can go to work, all of that. I offered him all of that. So for him to say he didn't have nobody, he had somebody too.

So your relationship has been strained since then? Correct.

I have not talked to her.

Yeah. Do you miss her? I do. I know, I can see the tears. Do you miss him? Mm-hmm. Brendan, your mother Tasha is here. My producer telling me she's crying right now because she basically raised Wisdom as a daughter as well. So everyone please welcome Tasha to the show. The accusation is that she thinks that your son is the reason that she lost her child. How do you feel about that?

I don't know, it's a big accusation and I wasn't there. However, she done did this before. I don't know if you remember, but one of his friends before was in there laughing about something and she was angry and she asked him, "What are you laughing about?" And she jumped up, ran to him, fighting him. So I do see why because When they was saying this, I said, "Oh, this is the same thing that happened last time." And she is like a Tasmanian devil. Like, when she jump up and come for you, it's coming quick. So he might have not known what was coming.

What needs to happen here is an apology for the first punch. Because yes, I feel like both of y'all got attitudes.

You can clap for that.

Brendan, both of y'all got attitudes. And I'm not saying she was right for being in your conversation. For being there and like over-talking you and hearing your mom say that it's been a pattern where she got upset before. But because of the love I just saw you exhibit right here, where you said you slept on the ground, I know for a fact you would love to protect her. You are a protector for her. And throwing a punch is not something you do to protect somebody you love. And so with that being said, do you feel like you can give her apology for throwing that first punch?

Yes.

You can go for it.

I really apologize for punching you and I didn't know. You never know with you, but of course it wasn't right for me. I am a man at the end of the day and I should have just probably let you hit me if you was going to, removed myself, ran away, but punching you wasn't the right thing to do.

Can you accept that apology?

I accept that apology. Apology, my only thing is that's not where my heart is at. You know what I'm saying? Like, we already have established we fight all the time. It's nothing for you to hit me. I'm not— y'all, we know what we did. We know what it is. I'm not worried about that. It's you was not there for me. Yeah. Even after you found out, you didn't do nothing. Even regardless of, okay, sorry you hit me. Okay, you hit me. You done hit me before. You know what I'm saying? But even after you found out whether you going through something or not, you know even before then I was going through stuff. You was not there. You didn't even try.

Can I tell you something? You said something earlier that I wrote down immediately, which you said, "I can't say fighting is the biggest issue anymore." And you just repeated it right now. You said like, "I don't care if the third, the fourth, third, we've done this before." But that is the biggest issue. Because the physical violence then translates into this place where emotionally and mentally you shut down. And just because in that moment you were able to bounce back like you've done before, which is an unhealthy trait. Sometimes we think because we're able to bounce back and talk and kiki again, it's like, oh, it's healthy. It's one of the most unhealthiest traits. And so what happened is that moment, you wanted him to bounce back. You wanted him to do, you wanted him to continue the unhealthy behavior, bounce back and say, oh yeah, we friends again. Okay, yeah, we fought, whatever. And he put a boundary up, whether you did it intentionally or not, to say, "I don't wanna bounce back quickly like that." So I want you to take that language outta your mouth of saying like, fighting is not the issue. Fighting is the issue. Fighting is affecting your mental health. Fighting is affecting your emotional states. And I know he wasn't there for you and I know it hurt, but I think it was a great wake-up call for both of y'all that y'all can't continue that cycle of fighting and then making up. Y'all gotta stop talking to each other in a mean way. Y'all been fighting the world. Y'all don't need to be fighting each other. And the next time one of y'all catch an attitude, I want y'all to say that to each other. I'm gonna have y'all say it right now. We fight the world, we not fighting each other. Say, I fight the world, I'm not fighting you.

I fight the world, I'm not fighting you.

Boom.

Every time one of y'all catch that attitude, say that.

You hear me? And y'all gonna be all right. Give your cousin a hug. Give y'all a hug. And I heard you've been waiting for this moment for a long time.

Yeah, for a while. Ironically, I started out looking for my father. I don't know my father. Then kind of transitioned into finding a sister on my father's side. After finding that sister on my father's side, ironically, it led me to finding her.

Oh, wow.

Yeah, it led me to finding her.

Wow, that's amazing that you were looking for someone else and then this connection happened. Yeah.

Yeah.

Wow. Cherie.

We was doing the same thing. Like I'm trying to figure out who my mom's dad is.

Yeah. Interesting. What's going on over there, Cherie? What are you feeling?

It's like I see her face and his face together. It's like, it's like two men.

I can't lie, we don't know the results yet, but y'all look a lot alike.

I know, but I feel like Same.

Yeah.

Let me see. I know, right?

Same. It's a smile on them eyes.

Yeah.

What's going through your head?

I just wanna know.

Yeah. We gonna get there in a little bit. So you first connected with Ashae, did you even think that she could be your daughter? What was the first thought? 'Cause she thought you were her cousin.

Yeah.

So that was the first thought. So I got like an influx of, of emails saying, "Hey, it's your third cousin. Now you have a second cousin and a fourth cousin." So when I got that influx, I decided to go on. And in doing that, I went through a lot of the various emails that I had and I saw Neshay's email that said, "Hey cousin." And I think it said, "How are you?" Or, "How are we related?" Something like that. And then I saw one about 6 months later that said, "Hello." And I didn't respond to either one of 'em. I think because it said cousin, there wasn't that great interest to really move on it, you know, 'cause you got the third cousins, fourth cousins. And so because she said cousin, it kind of threw me a little bit. Ultimately, again, when I found the sister on my dad's side, and this is a crazy story 'cause I then started kind of looking through it, gave the phone to my wife, and I don't know how I missed this, but she said, you either have a mother or a daughter. And I know she ain't your mother, right?

Yeah, yeah.

And I was like, yeah, nah. So she handed me the phone. I said, oh wow, you know, use a different word. But yeah, um, then I saw the percentile, and I also have a son that's on there as well, and they share the same amount of the same percent, same percentile. Actually, hers was higher. Hers is actually a percent higher. So because men carry something I think is less gene that makes it a little lower.

Yeah.

So in that sense, I I decided to reach out to her. I said, "Hey, gimme a phone call." I left my number on, right, on Ancestry and asked her to gimme a call. And I think she was reluctant, maybe, you know, "I don't know who the heck this dude is." Like, "Oh, okay." And so I continued to pursue trying to reach out to her and then she eventually gave me a phone call.

Do you remember having a relationship with her mother? Yeah?

You know what? I do remember her face. It's weird because after she showed me, I asked her to send me a picture and after she showed me the picture, I was like, oh, I remember her vaguely. I hate to use the word, I called it transactions at times back then when there was no relationship involved. So it was a transaction that I had at a young age, 22 I believe or so. I do remember that. But that's really it. I don't remember anything outside of that. Well, you know, I know she was, She liked lavish, the lavish lifestyle. I knew she was high energy for sure.

Okay, okay.

Yeah.

Do you believe you're Neshay's father?

I do.

You do?

I'm not a scientist, but I don't believe DNA lies. That's kind of how I look at it, right?

Yeah.

I couldn't look at it any other way, especially when I have a child on there already and they share the same amount.

'Cause you have one child?

I have three.

Three children.

Yeah.

Okay.

I have 3, but, I asked 4, I have 4, excuse me.

I have 4.

Well, you're saying this, what would it mean to you to have her be your daughter?

It would be amazing. I actually have 2 boys and a girl. I have a daughter that, it's always hard for me because she's 25, but she's like a 1-year-old. She wears diapers, she can't talk. And I've been taking care of since obviously conception. Her mom and I aren't together, but we share 50% custody and I have her very often. She's actually with my wife right now while I'm here. And I always had this conversation with my wife about, man, I wish I could just have a conversation with my daughter just to be able to talk to her. Right. Right, and to be able to express things and be able to communicate and build a relationship. I love her immensely, but obviously I can't do that, right? She shows me in other ways that she loves me. Yeah. But she can't do it through a natural conversation. And so when I found out she could be my daughter, that was the first thing I thought about, which is strange. I can now build a relationship.

Yeah, that's what I got.

And I was like, she's always been there. I didn't know about it.

Yeah.

Right?

Yeah. To have that kind of relationship as well, to have a relationship that could blossom and grow through communication and love and nourishment.

So Neshay and Michael, are you ready for the DNA outcome? Ready for the outcome to find out if you're father and daughter?

Yeah, I'm ready.

Yeah, let's do it.

All right.

Let's do it. Well, Neshay, I'm going to hand you the DNA outcome. On here, this will let you know if this is your father and will give you either clarity if like there's new family out there, a new relationship you could be establishing. Are you ready for this?

Mm-hmm.

Yeah?

We'll be all right no matter what.

Oh my God.

I honestly don't really know how to feel right now. I'm nervous. I'm sad. I'm feeling all these emotions. I don't really know. I don't really know.

What happened? This is your father?

Yeah. Oh my God! Oh my God! Oh my God! Oh my God, that's her daddy!

That's her daddy! That's her daddy!

Karamo, thank Thank you so much.

You're welcome.

You're so welcome.

You and your staff are amazing.

Thank you. Thank you.

Amazing.

Thank you.

So, oh my God, Sheree, I'm going to start with you first of all, because I know Michael's happy about this. What is in your mind, Sheree, right now?

Oh my God, I cannot believe it.

You're in shock.

Oh my God.

I'm elated.

Elated?

Yeah.

Oh yeah. Most definitely.

Thank you.

I'm doing well.

Thank you.

Thank you guys.

He broke up with me. I was faithful. I didn't cheat at all or sleep with no one at all. He broke up with me. I didn't know it was his cousin. The way it's coming out or it's sounding as if I knew.

Yeah, or that you were together, 'cause is it true that y'all were broken up during that time?

That's cool, like I get what she's saying, but even what I tell her, like when you did find out, you still concealed it.

Everybody concealed it. Got it.

When I did find out, I did tell you and I had to find out through a picture because my memory does not serve me correct during this time.

But hold on, I wanna go back 'cause there's a key point. Brandon, were you broken up during the time she did this?

So that's the thing. Like I just told you before, I couldn't be mad, but that was the deal for the clean slate.

You see what I'm saying?

The deal is like, I'm getting out, I can't, whatever happened, I was put away, so I can't be upset, but don't make me look stupid.

Got it. But in your mind, Tay, you thinking this is some dude I talked to, you didn't know that it was related.

Right, so with that being said, it wasn't like it was an affair. It was sex. Sex doesn't really mean much to me.

Got it, yeah. You know what I mean?

From what I've been through.

How long after Brandon got out did you see a photo or realize that this was his son?

You knew that was his cousin? 2 years.

2 years, okay.

I told him.

And at that 2-year mark, you said you told him?

That's why we broke up. That's what made him leave. 'Cause I seen the obituary and I said, "I know that guy." Because I did have sex with some people, but my memory, every time I have a tragedy or a tragic, I put it in a Pandora box. So it's locked away. I can't give names or anything like that.

And maybe you can explain it to me better, but here's the deal.

I know him too.

You heard her just say sex is just sex, right?

Uh-huh.

Okay, so—

We weren't together.

It's what you said.

Nobody else did get that.

You just said sex doesn't matter to you.

And it doesn't matter because when you are molested or raped as a child, your body is your temple. Well, if somebody took my temple before I could give it, then why should I care about it? And don't get me wrong, I love my husband. He's my everything. My whole world. And that's why I'm here. I'm not here to say, oh, embarrass me, put me out here. What I did is what I did, and everything in life is a lesson for me. It's not a mistake. And I did it, and I love my husband, and I want him to come home. I got 23 years with this man faithfully.

Yeah.

And I want that faithfully to be strong. Faithfully, 23 years.

It was just the only time that you broke up.

Of course, that's not to mean nothing to me. I only gave it to him for 23 years. Until you broke up with me. Yeah, yeah. Until you broke up with me.

It don't even matter about the breakup.

When you broke up, you opened the door.

No, no, listen. Because I think like a man. So I do what I want like a man.

And that's the problem. It is.

'Cause we both can't drive the car.

And I'm not trying to drive the car, and I'm trying to learn how not to drive the car, but for 23 years, I let you drive the car. You have changed me as a woman, and that's why I love you, and that's why I want you to come home. I have grown with you.

But you wasn't honest.

I wasn't honest. It wasn't that I wasn't honest, it was that I don't remember. He was not a factor.

But you remember all the shit I do.

He was not a factor. Yeah, I remember all the shit you do, but I'll give it to you. But I don't want you to look at me every time, oh, you holding this against me, and you doing this, you leaving out the house, and all the extra.

You stole my choice. You feel like she stole your choice?

'Cause I don't know nothing. I've been cool.

No, you know what happened. I just feel like—

'Cause you said she stole your choice. If you would've known in that moment, would you have left her? Don't know.

Never was given the opportunity. You understand what I'm saying?

Well, I also do think you know what you're doing.

But he knew it was somebody else though.

It doesn't—

And you came home to me.

You can't split apples and oranges.

But you can't count heads.

If you did it once, then— When she was in jail, you knew that she had slept with somebody. So listen. I asked for transparency and clarity when I got out. We're gonna start fresh. But she did give you, she did tell you that she slept with someone.

You just said you slept with someone.

It wasn't his cousin though.

So here it is. If somebody asks you for transparency so that you can make your choice and your decision and they say they only was with one person and then it comes out that they was with 10, how you gonna feel about that? No, I agree. I understand.

I'm trying to be transparent. I'm trying to be honest with you. I'm trying to give you what you need so you can come home.

Got it.

I didn't think that, once people started talking and saying all this stuff, he was gonna go this way because he knew it was one. It doesn't matter to me, it was done, I did it. I broke your trust, I broke your heart.

It doesn't matter to you, it matters to me.

Exactly, and that's why I'm trying to get you back.

That's why I'm trying to proceed with saying what I have to do to help you clear your heart. I wanna be clear for everyone at home, just make sure you're tracking this. So she did tell you that she hooked up, but she didn't tell you that it was more than one person. And she also didn't say that it was a cousin. It was something that you found out later. Okay, I wanna be clear about that. Well, it is time to unlock the phone.

And I'm not gonna find nothing, 'cause wasn't nothing there. Wasn't nothing there, baby.

All right, Tae, we unlocked your phone. All right, Brandon, you wanna know if Tae has any explicit photos on her phone. Tae says she does not. My unlock the phone investigator searched her photos. Those that are on your phone and also those that are deleted, and found she is telling the truth.

Everything I do, I'm not ashamed of nothing I did. All I'm honest.

Brandon, you wanna know if Tae is on any dating apps? Tae says she is not. My unlock the phone investigator searched her apps and found that Tae is telling the truth.

I don't even know how to work the phone, I did an app.

All right, Brandon, you wanna know if Tey is communicating with any men. She says she is not. When I unlocked the phone, investigators searched her texts and found 9,790 texts.

Not with no man.

Well, the man is you.

There you go. Not with no man, I was gonna say, wait a minute. I was finna say $9,000 a month. Everything better be paid.

I ain't gonna lie, I delivered it a little messy, but the reason we did it that way—

You had me like, whoa.

This morning I was asked by my investigator to look at the text messages between you all. And the text messages between you all is very much about you two wanting to be intimate, you two wanting to get back together. There is clearly still love here you have for this woman.

See, now you got me up there begging for his sex 'cause I ain't getting none. Turn that off. Turn that off. You see, that's harassment.

But there was a whole lot of y'all both wanted to have sex.

Every time he tell me he want to come and get it, you got the key. He got the key to the whole apartment. He left me. He left me. He got access to that house. You hear me?

I know your feelings are hurt, but there is an underlying love and hurt here. What I'm realizing right now is that both of you have had traumatic pasts. Yes. Both of you. And I do believe you've supported each other through your traumatic past, but I also don't think there's an equal respect for each other's past. Because when she's telling you that there's no memory, I've worked with survivors of sexual abuse. I've worked with children who have been molested. It has been part of my entire career. And there is a block in people's memories. The way they associate sex, the way that they see relationships, it does change, it's skewed. And I'm sorry that you've had those experiences.

Yeah, because either you gonna, it's gonna be one thing. Either you gonna go straight, you gonna go a little crooked, or you gonna just be doing whatever.

Yeah, and so I wanna be clear about this because disassociating, especially when it comes to sex, when you've been a survivor of any type of sexual assault or molestation, is a real thing. Because you have to compartmentalize of like, what does this mean to me? What does this mean to my body? What does this mean to my safety and security? And so for you, I understand your trauma is different. And so what happens is they're conflicting because you're like, I need a woman that I can trust. I need transparency. And she's given you that. That had to have been a shock for him to say that he wishes you're not his cousin. 'Cause it sounds like you, for the past 4 years, you've been each other's support systems.

Yeah, nothing but. Help to you.

And so, and you took him in when he was 15?

When he was 15.

Okay then, got it. What were you about to say something?

Yeah, I was about to say like, well, you know what you be doing. What? Stealing from me. I never stole nothing from you. So you telling me the $400 just randomly? That $400 probably is going to one of the men you bring in and out the house.

So you're saying no.

I'm asking directly, did you steal the $400 No, I never been to D for a day in my life.

Okay.

You steal from like a lot of people. Everybody know you for having sticky fingers.

You can't be serious right now.

So why are you upset with him though?

I'm upset with him because of the OnlyFans. I feel like that's a modern day prostitution. There's better ways for you to get money. You don't have to sell your body. I had you working with me. It's just ridiculous that you could be doing that. But the money that I was getting from the prostitution, you say, was helping you and your bills out. So now you don't like it? You helped me one time. The only thing you had to pay was the electric.

So majority of the time he doesn't have to pay any other bills.

Nothing else. So since he was 15, you just showed some type of responsibility by just paying the electric.

So why did you take him in? 'Cause I know he said that after his mother decided he should go with his father and he realized he didn't wanna be with his father.

Because he was one of my favorite little cousins.

He was. What do you, you just, you, so you got, you have sex with me?

You just disowned me in front of, you just disowned me in front of everybody. Like why would you, why would you still be one of my favorite cousins now? I still love you the same regardless of what. Well, if these test results come back and we are related, I guess I'll.

So you told, you said he ruined one of your friendships, how?

Because I caught him in my bed being intimate with one of my friends for 10 years. In my bed after I do nothing but take you in. And you got your own room.

Is that true?

Yes.

So how does your family feel about Jeremiah?

My family is done with Jeremiah. They like wash their hands with him. And I go to bat for him with all of them. And it's like every time I go to bat with him, he do something to let me down.

What are your thoughts on the DNA situation?

I think that's just ridiculous 'cause what are we even here for if you feel like you ain't my cousin? Like I did this to be with you, to be your cousin. To come on the show to prove my innocence, but show nothing but love you. I believe that's my little cousin regardless of what he's saying or not.

Got it.

And what do you want from Jeremiah?

I just want him to do better, just be a better person.

Well, I think it's more important right now to unlock the truth of the situation. So I think we have questions here that need to be answered before we can go anywhere else. Deshawn, you took a lie detector test because You're questioning if he stole $400 from you. And so this was big. What do you think is gonna happen when we open this truth?

I hope it come back that you didn't steal it, but there's no way that it just magically disappeared. But you just said you know I stole it. So when you see that I didn't, so I would like an apology. Did I get an apology when you thought I stole from you? Like last week? I never said you stole nothing from me. And it got found? Did you apologize to me then? I never said you stole anything from me.

You was ready to beat me up.

We're here for the truth. That's all we're here for. Let's see.

Did you accuse him of stealing once?

I never accused him of stealing nothing. I asked him, where did you place my stuff? That's all I asked him. He said it was under the date. It dropped off the shelf onto the floor. I didn't find it on the floor. The only thing I told him is, you better find it. That's all I said.

Okay. Well listen, Deshawn, my licensed investigator asked you if you were responsible for your cousin Jeremiah's $400 going missing around April. April 2023. Deshawn, you said no.

Yes.

Correct? Well, the truth is you were telling the truth. You did not steal the $400.

Exactly. So could I have my apology? I told you, I told you that. Well, I'm just a little sorry, not a lot because I still don't like you.

Why can't you own up and say you're fully sorry? You made an accusation.

Well, I am sorry. —for accusing you of stealing my money. And it's just like that. And called me a thief. Well, you are a thief. How am I— You just ain't steal from me. Whatever.

Okay. I watched you steal multiple times.

You didn't watch me steal nothing. Stop saying that, please.

Okay. Well, listen, the next thing is that we reached out to your uncle, Deshawn. Okay. Alfred, the man who could potentially be your father. And he was unable to be with us today, but he wanted to share share his thoughts on this whole DNA situation, so he sent a voice message in. I have always believed that I am Jeremiah's father, but I was never with Jeremiah's mom when he was conceived. His mother was in a relationship at the time, but then she got married to another man soon after she got pregnant. I always thought that was strange.

I'm not listed as his father on the birth certificate, and Jeremiah has another man's last name.

It upset me that I didn't even get to name him. Jeremiah and I are not as tight as we should be. I am really hoping that the DNA results will make us closer.

Oh my God. Why you laugh at that? Because I don't want nothing to do with him. Okay, wow, that's just ridiculous.

Why don't you want anything to do with him?

Because like, Why? Like, I don't, like, because it's just, he's just a mess and like, and even if it do come back that he's my father. Your father, how you feeling that that's your father? Right.

Okay, you said he's a mess, so. Yeah. Okay. All right, well listen, we have more to uncover here. We have the DNA outcome to reveal this 19-year-old DNA mystery. Will the results change things between you two?

The results won't change nothing between us two 'cause I really honestly do love him. Regardless if he's my cousin or not. Got it.

Well, we have the DNA truth in this envelope to figure out if you two are cousins or not. Jeremiah, are you ready? This is your truth to open.

Yeah. Wait, I'm really not even ready to open this one. Oh, this cannot be. No, no way. No way. Read it. What is that? Yeah, out for us. Alfred is your biological father.

He is your biological father, which means you are biological cousins. Why are you shaking your head no?

'Cause there's no way. There is no way. Okay. Yeah, it is way. Yes way, like somebody just said. The test results is right there for you.

It's just that I just, I don't know.

You can't pick your father. You can't pick your father. You gotta deal with it.

Okay, there's something that's going on and I know that you have done a, you've tried to support your cousin and be here, but we need to really talk about what's really happening right now. Yes, there's a strained relationship, but there's more so for me. I'm looking at a young man who has been rejected majority of his life and has found somebody who's not rejecting him. But the symptom of people who have been rejected is we often try to consistently challenge those who want to let us in because we're afraid that the shoe will drop. So it's easier to be in control of it and say, you're not it, you're not my family, you stole, you did this, because it's easier for me to push you away before you push me away. And I know that's what's happening here. And I think you are also aware on a subconscious level that you know what's happening here. This is probably one of the people in your life who has showed up for you consistently, not asked you for things, and who has accepted you wholly until you made the decision to join OnlyFans. Right. Correct? I wanna ask you first, how does it feel to know that that he's been the one to accept you and to be there for you?

Well, it's just unbelievable because it's like, he showed, when I was a kid, yeah. But now that I'm growing up, like you kind of see the stuff like— For what? Hold on, like when you're a kid, you know, like you see people talking about you when you're a kid, but like you really don't really understand it. And then when you grow up, the more weirder that the family gets, that's how it is with them.

Like they be— I get it, but I'm not talking about the family. You have a man here that when you were 15 decided to take you in and show you support, not ask you to pay any bills, who's loved you unconditionally, who's been there for you, who's, and I'm not saying any perfect relationship is perfect, you know what I mean? Because you're both young.

But it'd be fake if it was, I feel like.

Yeah, you're both young, so you're trying to play a parent-child role and you both don't know what you're doing in that. But what we do know is that there's been unconditional love and support you support there. And I'm asking you, how does it feel to have that person be the one to give you that?

Well, it really makes me feel like good about myself because yeah, he is the only person outta his family that is really there for me and like really like calls up and check up on me, asks me. You know I love you.

I need you to look at him. He just said he loves you.

Yeah. I guess I love you too, I guess.

No, because what's happening, what's happening, and this is why I told you what's happening with the abandonment is because I'm watching you laugh through the pain of everything. You're making it. I tell people all the time, I watch body language, I'll study this. And so I understand what those little movements mean. It's because you don't know how to process your emotions. Right. And we say hurtful things because we're trying to push people away. You understand? Mm-hmm. I also understand that you say hurtful things. And some of the hurtful things you say is because you've taken on a lot of responsibility that I'm sure you don't even know how to manage right now. And so it comes out as frustration. And what I wanna challenge you both to be is realize that when you're in those frustrated moments where you feel overwhelmed, where you feel like I'm gonna be rejected, just turn to each other and say, "I love you." And instead of you saying something that could hurt him, because what you're gonna do is inadvertently damage is a relationship. So like when he joined OnlyFans, he doesn't need someone to scold him through it. He needs someone to love him through it because he feels like if you scold him, it's gonna turn into get away, push him away. You get it now?

Yeah, I get what you're saying.

And he's not going to push you away. He's gonna be here. I'm not going nowhere. You heard him? Look at him. I'm right here. Give him a hug. I do security.

During my course, I got put in Quincy's building. I was working there, then all of a sudden, I seen him, you know what I mean? Like, I was just like, he different. He don't look like the rest of the people in this building. Like, you know what I mean? So I was working and then one day he just walked up to me. Hey, how you doing? He was like, what's your name? I was like, Tequila. He was like, you got a man? I said, no, which I didn't. Yeah. You know what I mean? I had a hump buddy. I ain't had no man though. Yeah. So we kicked it off from that point. And how was it in the beginning?

Was it good? It was awesome.

It was like I had a feeling that came, like when I met him, I was just like, dang, it's something different about him. And I was willing to explore that. You know what I mean? So long story short, me and Quincy started talking, which turned into immediately dating in August.

And then he proposed in 1 month.

He proposed in 2 weeks, actually. 2 weeks. Wow. I was holding it like—

Yeah. And you're happy because you told my producers you thought you'd never get married.

I told them that I would never get married. I've been proposed to multiple times, but I've never took it. I'm like, man, get out here, I ain't marrying nobody.

So then what made you say yes to Quincy?

I don't know. It was just a different feeling that he gave me when I met him.

So when did the cheating accusations start? A week.

A week? Because let me tell you this, Karamo. Yeah. My little fling buddy, which I didn't know, like when I, My fling buddy was his cousin, but I was with his cousin for 4 years. I wasn't with him, but that's been my fling for 4 years.

Did you know they were cousins when you met? No. Okay, you didn't know.

I went to a Halloween party and the only reason I was at the party is because of my fling's mom. I cooked a lot of the food and I told her I wasn't gonna come. She said, "Girl, you cooked all this food, you better be there. It's a Halloween slash birthday party." Yeah. So I just went just for her. Yeah. My fling was there with his girlfriend, which they all, we all know each other. I be at their house. It ain't like it's no, you know. It's what it was.

I'm a realist. It wasn't intentional that you just told him. It was never. It was like, I didn't know that that was your cousin.

It was never intentional. And you and Quincy moved fast.

Real fast. Yeah, so it wasn't even time, like you had time to be like, oh my gosh, I just realized it's your cousin, let me tell you. You just didn't know.

And that was that. So have you ever cheated on Quincy after that? Never. I mean, so physically. Never, never. I only known the boy 6 months. He ain't even given me a chance to cheat.

Please welcome Quincy to the show. Hey, how you doing?

Hey, how's it going?

Welcome to the show, sir.

All right. Good job.

Take a seat. So you heard what Tequila had to say backstage.

What do you think? You know, I'm tired of the lies and you know, when my mother asked her a question about a family member, She didn't ask me a question, Quincy. She said, I'm talking. She ain't ask me no questions though, don't lie. She asked, do you know this certain person? This is our family. No, she didn't. She claimed she didn't know this person. Ooh, you a liar. But later down it came out that she was dating the person my mother asked's son, which is my cousin. Okay.

So you think that's how she lied to you? No. Because that's not her recollection of the story. No, it's not. So, but how do you also say she's manipulating you?

How? It's not. Because it was before my time. It didn't really matter 'cause she stated they wasn't in a relationship, but just dillin' around.

So if she said that they weren't in a relationship and it was before your time, why do you feel some ways about it?

And I'm sincerely asking. Insecure. It wasn't nothing to hide. You should have a woman. He wants me to go and tell every dude that I've talked to, oh, I'm with him now. Is that what you wanted?

Do you want us to guess? No, it wasn't like that. Okay, tell me what you want.

It goes like this. I wish my phone was out there. I deleted all the women numbers out my phone 'cause I could've kept my women too if it was like that. That's your, you all got friends? You friends with her? They not friends if you had sex with 'em and in a relationship with 'em. That's different. So you telling me everybody that you deal with that you gotta be hateful and deep in despise when you get out, when you're not dealing with them because you dealt with them, you shouldn't be friends with them no more. That's grown women stuff. Why you choose all the men you dated and had sex with to be your friends?

How do you know who I had sex with, Quincy?

Because you told me. Who do I have sex with, Quincy? But we not here for that. Who has a key to my house, Quincy? It's not about a key. Have you heard other rumors about me? You go out and do your thing. You not that stupid.

Have you heard other rumors about the gay community?

You with me every day with your little flamboyant ass. Oh, you get missing too now. You get missing. Where I get missing? When we argue? You get missing for hours. You get missing for hours. I wish you could have a thing that's every time a lie, they buzz. You know what I'm saying? Like real stuff. Something should buzz in his booty. Just like that.

Well, listen, I wanna know what else do you think she's lying about?

It's been situations where a guy came to the house. And I let him in. And what did I tell you? I'm talking, he's talking to me. He's talking to me, not you. Did I tell you who he was? He's talking to me. See, that's why you go corny. That's why we can't be together, 'cause your mouth. No, we can't be together 'cause you're insecure, gaslighting, manipulating, narcissistic person.

Karamo, yes, uh-huh, come on, talk to me.

A guy came to the house, right? First, this my son's uncle. So I see his face, I start laughing 'cause I know him. Mm-hmm. So he came in, they talking back and forth and this and that. So then, I said, "Man, do you know me? I'm from such and such." He said, "Oh, my bad." So the first thing came out her mouth, "I ain't fuckin' him." You lying. So when I looked, I said, "Well, ain't nobody asked that question." So do you not like her having male friends?

Nope. What is your problem with that? Insecure.

I don't got no problem with that, but why you choose all the men you had sex with was in a relationship to be your friends? You saying these your friends now 'cause I deleted all my women friends.

So do you think she should be deleting all of her friends? No. Her male friends?

If you had sex with 'em and was in a relationship with 'em. Okay. What you holding on for? Okay.

We're actually gonna be unlocking both of your phones right now.

You need to get on your knees and pray. Stop lying.

So Quincy, we're gonna go ahead and unlock your phone first. When it came to apps and you talking to anyone, we did found zero results. When it came to text messages, we found zero results. When it came to DMs, we found zero results. And when it came to photos, we found zero results. So from what we have found, you have been faithful in your relationship. I ain't hiding nothing. So Tequila, we went through your phone as well. So when it came through text messages, there was a text exchange between you and his cousin but it was completely platonic. Completely platonic. Now when it came to photos, we went through your phone and there was several photos in your phone. There was 4 different photos in your phone in the last 6 months of different women. We didn't see any text messages with them. They were in lingerie and seductive poses. Can I see the photos? I guess so, this one. Where?

She a good actress. Where's lingerie? See, this is what I was telling you. Let me show 'cause I ain't in my phone. This is what I was trying to tell you. This is before him. Okay.

What you talking about? This is my, this is my. Man. So what are you talking about?

Okay. Try me again. Man, I ain't come here for all this, man. I told you all these lies. She gotta excuse you.

We have one last thing. One last thing. You need to take a seat for this one because this was the most important one. So I went back and looked at the text between you two and they were nasty, mean, and disrespectful. Disrespectful in nature. I wanna go and pull up the text message that I found. What are you talking about?

I thought you was gonna find those.

You're a liar, kick rocks, I hope you die. Me, me. Yes, I get it. You're just insecure, bitch ass. So when I see these type of messages, I just think there's so much hurt and disrespect here. We obviously see this is toxic in nature. Your worst fear happened when you opened up to this man who you loved. And that's why you're triggered. I understand where the abusive language comes on. It's not right. It's not. The thing is that I know about this is that even though the communication, the language is very disrespectful, she has been upfront to you. And I think that the—

She ain't been upfront.

I went to the phone, we went to the phone. And so the things that you were concerned about and things you weren't concerned about, we searched for. There was no other men that she was talking to. There was no interactions with guys that were sexual in any way.

Did she bring two phones or one phone? 2. 2 or 1? And one is a game phone. It's not even on, Karamo. He think it's on because you know when you got, when you think, you know when your kids call you and then it rings, you can do that, what is it, Google? Sure.

When you can sync.

I got my phone synced.

So whenever my phone rings on my regular phone, it'll ring to my game phone. And he swear it's 2 phones.

Are you trying to?

I come for the guy I know. Are you trying to fake the situation?

Or are you trying to stay?

Because either ways— I'm done with it. Bye. Bye. You look better gone. Tell him to get my ring back. He's— this is why, listen, this is why I think—

No, because I wanna take a moment because even though this is, 'cause I brought up that line for you for a reason because I know you would've had the strength to leave this. I already know you did, but you opened yourself up and I know women like you who are very strong and have to do it on their own.

And I'm sorry. I'm in college.

Yeah.

I got 3 kids, 3 grandkids. I'm 46 years old. I beat cancer. I just wanna enjoy life. I get it. And I can't do it with him 'cause he's too busy worried about other people who not fucking involved. Oh, did you tell my cousin that we're dating?

I don't have to. But this is what I want you to know.

We're not in a relationship.

This is what I want you to know because I understand the things you're going through. But what I want to leave you with personally, is that I'm sorry that you got into a relationship that couldn't give you what you want, especially when you opened up and were vulnerable for the first time. Because I know how hard that can be when you've had to have a wall up and had to guard yourself and had to protect yourself your entire life and you give yourself and at that moment someone then betrays you. Why stay in a marriage, I gotta ask you this, if you don't trust her? Kids, we got kids.

How many kids do you two have? Well, we have 6 altogether.

6 total? Altogether, and we have 1. Okay, but you have 1 together?

Yeah, that's my baby.

Okay, got it. And how long y'all been married?

We've been married, it'll be a year in March.

1 year. And how long y'all been together? I would say almost about 4 years. 4 years together, 1 year married. Yeah. Okay. What's on the line for you if we find out today that she is doing something?

Divorce. I can't keep doing it.

Well, listen, Tay's wife Nell is here and this is the first time that she's actually heard that secret recording. So she actually didn't know you were recording her and she's never heard it. Okay, well everyone please welcome Nell to the show.

I don't understand why you coming out here lying. Yeah, you know that. That recording is of me, I'm in pain. That's not me having sex with anybody. I'm sorry, how you doing? No, how you doing?

No, you get to defend yourself.

That's just not, it's not what it sounds like, okay? When I'm in pain, yeah, I sound like that. You know what I'm saying? We getting in and out of the bed and stuff like that. I mean, it hurts. Like I have a messed up leg. Like I'm not going to sit here and how am I gonna sneak somebody into a townhouse?

So what do you say is on that recording then? Since you've heard it now clearly, what do you say that is?

Okay, so it could be me like getting in the bed. Like I said, I mean, it's a high bed, I'm short. I got to crawl up there. I mean, you make noises when you getting in the bed. Well, at least I do trying to get in there with a bum leg.

It's a difference between a sexual moan and a pain moan, right?

No, no, not with me, there is no difference. It all sounds the same. It's the same to me. How bad have things gotten? I can't sleep. I'm losing jobs, like, 'cause I can't get no rest. We gotta sleep in the living room because he thinks somebody's living in the room, in the closet. Like, they've been there since November. Ain't come out to eat, pee, nothing.

So you really think somebody's living in the closet?

I don't know. Probably is.

Probably is, okay. Probably is.

So now you wanna find an adaptation Yes, because he can't be accusing me of all of this and he got all his little friends on Facebook and everything without him doing something. I'm not doing it. I go to work, I come home, I get groceries. You know, we have 6 kids. Yeah.

All right, well, I think it's time that we unlock the phones right now. Nell, we unlocked your phone. All right, here we go. Tae, you wanna know if Nell is communicating with any men online? Nell says she's not. My unlock the phone investigator searched her DMs and found that Nell is telling the truth. Tae, you wanna know if Nell is on any dating apps? Nell says she's not. My unlock the phone investigator searched her apps and found that she is telling the truth.

Thank you.

Tae, you wanna know if Nell is having any sexual relationships with any other men. Nell says she's not. My locked-the-phone investigator searched her texts and found that she is telling the truth.

Thank you, thank you.

Now can you please let's just get on. But my investigator is telling me in this note to me that he found something interesting. Hey, yes, by law you can't stop me from staying there. Nope, so I'll be there late, but if you say no, I won't come. I'll respect your wishes. "No matter what, I will always love you and I will never get a divorce. Whatever it's that we're going through, we'll get over it. God got us. I agree, love you too. Now accept my friend request. Oh, you blocked me. Oh, what? Facebook, you unfriended me." So which are you? I wanna be clear. I'm the blue.

You're the blue. He unfriended me. Okay. And now he want me to accept his request. Got it, okay then. He should've unfriended me. Interesting. But yet he threatens me with divorce, as you see, every other day.

Got it, okay. Well, Tae, it's time to unlock your phone. All right, now you wanna know if Tae has any explicit photos on his phone. Tae says he does not. My unlock the phone investigator searched his photos and found that Tae is telling the truth. Thank you. All right, Nell, you wanna know if Tay has been direct messaging any other women. Tay says he has not. My Unlock the Phone investigators searched his DMs and found that Tay is telling the truth. Nell, you wanna know if Tay has been communicating with other women. Tay says he has not. My Unlock the Phone investigators searched his phone and Tay is not telling the truth. My locker phone investigator found 266 deleted messages between Tay and this woman, and these were all under his recently deleted. So what are the messages before we pull them up with you and what's going on?

No? Okay.

It's a friend. A friend, okay. So the friend that you've gotten, you've started communicating with a lot in the last 2 months. Mm-hmm. About the same time you started accusing your wife. Mm-hmm. And started getting paranoid. Nell, do you know who the fuck it was?

I thought it was his cousin. Is it not?

There's a different? You wanna talk to your wife?

It's the same one, my friend.

So do you wanna talk to her about what you're communicating with?

Not your cousin. Yes, my cousin.

You wanna talk to her about what you're communicating with and why you deleted it?

I just deleted it.

You don't have to look at me. Do you wanna talk to your wife about it?

I just deleted it. We weren't talking about nothing. I'll just delete it. It's nothing.

So is she really your cousin?

Cousin slash friend. You know how people say cousin is a friend.

No, so she's not your cousin? She's not. She's not your cousin?

She's not. No. She's his friend. So do you wanna talk to your wife about what you and your friend are talking about? Yeah, please talk to her. And why you thought you need to delete it.

I knew it had to be something like that.

We wasn't talking about nothing. I mean, it's nothing.

I mean, 266 messages is not nothing.

That's all we're doing. Okay, so I'm gonna be transparent right now. So because of legal, we cannot discuss what he has, we found in the deleted messages. And so what I'm doing is I'm trying to give your husband a chance to be honest with you about his friend who he started communicating heavily with in the past 2 months. And why he felt when he came to this show, he had to delete 266 messages. Because if you do not feel ashamed of your conversations with your friend, you would be able to keep those in the messages and show them to your wife. I agree.

Thank you.

This is not for him.

Okay, so listen, you two have— So what we do know right now is that you are not cheating. I do believe that in that tape that you were probably in some some type of pain or you two are together. I actually do believe it. I actually 100% believe it. I do believe that that sounds suspicious to me. I also know that you're saying you have videotapes that you're not allowed to show any of us or you're not willing to show any of us because if you had a videotape showing a man coming in, we could have squashed this right now.

Exactly, exactly.

I think that's more of an attempt to try to see if she will confess to something which would give you an opportunity to feel more comfortable about any conversations you're having with your friend. Right. Exactly. What I do know is that you two have beautiful children. Yes. And I believe those children deserve to be in a household where people that are the adults can model honest, healthy communication. Yes. Accusations, paranoia, deflecting, those things aren't healthy. And I do know for a fact that children do pick up on that behavior and then they start to emulate that behavior whether you know it or not with other kids and it starts to come out it's gonna come out negatively. So what I would encourage both of you to do, mostly you, is to make sure that you're modeling the proper behavior for your children. And I encourage you, if you're gonna leave this stage, to please be honest. And if you can't have an honest communication, I would encourage you as a woman to say, well, if I can't get the honest communication I deserve, what is gonna be next for me?

[Speaker] Right.

[APPLAUSE] Does that help you too? Yeah. How do you feel knowing that she's not doing anything? I feel better. Okay. And how do you feel knowing that you don't have transparency about his conversations that were deleted?

I'm angry. I'm really angry because you've been accusing me for months and I haven't done anything wrong. Yet you're sitting here with, I don't know, friend, cousin. I don't know what this is.

It's a friend.

You ain't got to worry, it's a friend. I don't know what that is. It's a friend.

Where there's 266 deleted messages. I just, I— And the relationship got closer as he started accusing you. Yeah. So have a conversation with your husband and I wish y'all the best of luck, all right? Thank you. Did you steal RoRo's money?

No. No. That's on the Bible.

Why do you think that Daisy could have stole your money?

LaDaisy said I was too drunk, quote unquote, to get out the car and go to the gas station to get some items that I wanted. So I gave her my debit card to go get 'em for me. I don't remember shit like that and I don't give people my debit card.

Okay then. Everyone, please welcome Daisy to the show.

Let's get her side of the story.

Okay, so Daisy, what do you know about that night when the money went missing?

What I remember was Ro-Ro was very drunk. I went to the gas station, she gave me her card with her PIN number. I went in there, retrieved her items, and I brought them back to the car and we left. That was it?

That was it. She also saying now that the cash went missing. Do you remember any of that? No. Okay. And how has this affected your relationship? Like, so are y'all talking at all? No, not really. No. And what was your reaction when she accused you? I was hurt. Yeah.

I was hurt. I was upset. Like, how could you accuse me? I never gave you my debit card and asked you to go in the store. When did she accuse you? To get anything. Did she accuse you the next morning? The next morning. I didn't accuse you. She don't remember because she was drunk. So she, you know, a drunk person can't remember anything. But I didn't accuse you until you said that you had my debit card, that I gave you the debit card.

Do y'all feel like that this is a problem?

Yes. With her drinking? Yes. It's excessive drinking. She blacks out, she gets really aggressive. You know, she wants to fight, argue. You know, it was a time that we all, we went on an outing and she tried to fight the lady that tried to let her in the entrance. All the tickets still there. We got rain checks and everything. We had to come back when RoRo was sober enough. 'Cause RoRo was just a, when I turned around, she fucked y'all, this, that, the other. Those are all the tickets right there. Yes, yes. Over 100 people there. And it's all for some of them misses. 'Cause she had a babysitter. She had a babysitter.

I'm hearing a consistent thing that when you drink, you get aggressive. That when you drink, you come out of pocket in your mouth? She think it's funny, it's not.

It's not, she needs help.

Is this from your perspective? 'Cause you laughing it off. What do you think? You don't think you have a problem with Jackson?

No, I don't, I know I don't. Why do you say you know you don't? She does, she needs help. I know I don't have a drinking problem. She needs help. She do too, I ain't even gonna lie. Daisy be right there.

Oh!

Mine is—

Daisy be right there.

I love him, I love him. No, she don't. She don't. Wow. I'm not always talking about Karamo.

I love they son.

No, I get it. You love both. You just speaking the truth.

She do. You just speaking your soul. They can drink an old man under the table. Both of them together. I just wanna know where my money at. That's all.

That's talk. I will say this though, and I was deciding whether I was gonna bring this up or not, but as I was walking, walking here to come to stage, I was walking past your green room and I heard you talking to my producer and telling her that Ro-Ro owes you money. Yes. Where I owe you money from?

Yes. She owes you money? That is true, yes. I've loaned her money on several occasions and she's never paid me back. And I've loaned you money on several, many of occasions. She gives me every excuse in the book of why she can't pay me my money back. And I've given you money on several occasions. Hundreds? I just gave you $900 to catch a same-day flight 2 months ago.

Daisy, I'm gonna ask you the same question that I asked Tammy earlier. Okay. Did you take the money? I know this bitch didn't.

You knew she didn't, but you accused me. I am not a thief, Karamo. I am not a thief. Okay. Like I said, I've loaned her money several occasions. And I've loaned you money on several occasions that you've never paid back. She's not paying me back. $500 you swear to give back to me when you got home to California.

Let me take out the language of thief then. Yes. I'm gonna take out the language of steal. It's cold. Since you all share your money in essence. Yes. Did you share money that she had in her purse that night?

Yes. Jayce, you fake as hell, bro. That's a bitch. You fake as hell. I'm done with you. I'm done with you. I'm done. And that's why I came here. You can't ask me for a dime. You can't ask me for a dime. That's why I'm here. You can't ask me for a dime. To mend my relationship with her. Ain't no mending shit. Ain't no mending shit. What is there to mend? What is there to mend? To say that I love you still. We're like sisters. And I don't want money to become between that friendship. I'm done with this. I'm done with this. I just want us to mend our relationship. And I want us to be friends. I want us to be better friends. I want us to leave here alone. I want us to leave here and go back home and do the things that we used to do as a family.

I want y'all to be able to talk, yes. Do you think this friendship could be mended? Hell no. But this is my question. If y'all were giving each other money anyway.

No, but that's stealing because she took it without my knowledge. Why did you take it? Because I have been asking her to pay me back the money that I loaned her and she didn't give it to me. When is the last time you loaned me anything? When I just gave you that money for that flight. How much was it? That you didn't even pay back. How much did you loan me? You said, "Oh, so soon as I get home, I promise you, I'mma go to the bank and I'mma send you the money." This was 2 months ago. So when? So when? So when since then? So when since then? All I can say is there's no excuse for what I've done. She ignorant as hell, bro. She ignorant as hell. And they just laugh.

Like it's funny. So you know, you taking this money has ended a relationship with your friend. It ended a relationship with this family member. I mean, your accountability is, yes, I understand I switched the language to have you, make you feel comfortable in admitting. She a thief. But do you feel like you owe her a bigger apology? I do.

Tammy, I wanna say that I'm sorry to you. I should've took accountability of what I did instead of letting her accuse you. I should've just stepped up and been a woman and said, you know what, I did it. You ain't gotta apologize to me. And I love you. I love you too. I love the kids still. You love her, but you can take and accept this apology from a bitch.

And Ro-Ro. Ro-Ro nothing.

Don't touch me. I wanna say I'm truly sorry from the bottom of my heart. Bro, fuck you.

I'm gonna say to you. Okay. You hear her?

Yeah, I hear. Listen, I do understand. I do understand why you feel this way because I do understand for you it's about the principle. You wanted your friend to be honest with you and I think if they would've been honest with you, you'd have got mad that day and have been over it by now. The thing that I will say to this is that we have to understand, first of all, you can't let money ruin relationships because at this point right now, you all have admitted that money comes and go between y'all as easy as it is. You at a bar giving out shots, buying these things. I get it. I do understand that taking your money is another step. I do get that. I do think that maybe new boundaries will have to be set, but I don't think that the relationship has to be finished. What I do believe is that you have to, first of all, do a better job of taking accountability on your end for what you just did here with your cousin. Also, I do believe that you two need to spend some time of thinking about how much you're drinking and how that's affecting your behavior and your attitudes. I'm not gonna call you an alcoholic. I'm not gonna say you have a problem with drinking because I don't know that. I can't get a clear gauge on how often you're drinking. But what I will say is that I do see certain body movements 'cause I read body language and you do a lot of this. You do a lot of this and you do a lot of this. And all of those— She be trying to hold herself back from hitting somebody. All of those are the body language of somebody who is saying like, you still doing it right now.

You about to get me. You about to get me. You about to get me.

You about to get me. And all I'm saying to you is that I believe that you are full of love and I believe that you're a supportive person for your friends and your family. The fact of the matter is they all wanna go out with you because there's a lot of love and light in you. But I think that what happens is something's going on in yourself where you start to dim that light when you have this aggression come out and you don't need to dim that light. And I don't want you to continue on where people start to feel like they gotta disconnect from you because they feel like you're gonna be aggressive with them because I can tell and see that about to happen. This one right here is super level-headed. The fact that she's already kind of saying, "I'm gonna step away, I don't want anybody else in your life to do that." Can you receive that a little bit? Yeah. Like let them all just see the love and the supportive person and like let them know if you feeling some way, if there's something else that's bothering you that's coming out when you drinking, talk to them, be vulnerable with them, let them know. Can you please? Please? Yeah? Yeah. Okay, thank you. I appreciate that. Y'all got some time. Y'all got some time.

She need a little counseling too. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Daisy, I don't, it is a lot for me to process on like where your decision making was. The only thing for me right now I can see is that you were in a space of drinking and you were being petty. But the thing is, is that you have to understand now that you've broken the trust. And so as you move forward, every single one of these people have the right to not trust you for a while until you show them the actions that they can trust you. Again.

And I'm willing to do that. Good.

All right, well, listen, I appreciate y'all being here, and I'm glad that you have answers today, and I'm glad that you've been vindicated. I'm glad that you could be honest.