Cheating Scandals | KARAMO

She said you cheated 12 times. I ain't trying to lie, but. But you did. Yeah. Yeah. And as far as like the washing up every Thursday, I mean, evidently you see what I got on. I mean, that's what attracted her to me. You feel me? I look good. You know what I'm saying? Make sure I smell good. So while I watch— I love how you skirted right past me talking about you cheating 12 times. So we're gonna go back. So why did you cheat 12 times? I don't know. I guess I see something I like, you know? My girl's all right, you know what I'm saying? I ain't gonna say she all right. She like a, she wouldn't be my girlfriend if—

He say I'm all right, but I seen what he was dealing with. And they ain't even coming close. So he's talking about I'm all right.

And you two have two children together, right? Correct. How do you feel you are as a father? I'm a great father. I didn't grow up with a mother and a father. That probably what it is, you know? Do you teach your daughters it's okay to be cheated on? No, 'cause they too young, but they probably see what I do, which isn't right, so. So if your daughters got cheated on, would you be okay with them staying with the man? I mean, I wouldn't be all right, but it's they life. But you know, I'm definitely gonna tell 'em what's right from wrong. I know that you're lying about that.

Feels, like man feels.

If your daughter was sitting on this stage with a man that said she cheated on her and you were standing in my audience right there, I know for a fact you'd be telling her to leave that man.

I feel that too.

You wouldn't just say, "Well, it's your life, live your life." And I know you don't wanna give that truthful answer right now because to give that truthful answer, you'd have to reflect on your own relationship. And so by looking at what the future is going to hold, it means you have to look at like really how you acting now and you don't wanna do that yet. But you know for a fact in your heart of hearts, if your daughter was being cheated on by a man 12 times, you know you would take her to the side and say, nah, nah girl, this is not it. And I know you didn't have a father in your life, but just as a human being and as a man, you know you would take your daughter to the side and tell her it's not working. I'm gonna ask you a second question. Would you want one of your daughters to be with somebody who described them as all right? Oh, definitely not. Okay. Definitely not, girl. I don't know, I guess I said the wrong word, but yeah. What I'm establishing here is that you do know right from wrong. Correct. You do know that you shouldn't be cheating. You do know because you wouldn't want your daughter to be cheated on, and you do know that you wouldn't want your daughter to be with a man who called her all right. Whether it was the right word or wrong word in the moment, you wouldn't want it.

No.

So you do know that it's not good behavior? Yes, I do. But you're okay with doing it to your daughter's mothers? No, I'm not okay with it. I don't know, I just— Well, rephrase. You are, 'cause one time I might believe you're not okay with it. 12 times, you are okay with it.

I think he—

No? I don't know, I feel like it's a maturity thing. I don't know, I feel like I'm more mature now than when I was. 'Cause she met me, I was like 18, 19. She was 5 years older than me. Yeah, yeah.

But he really not though, because I—

There's a difference between maturity and right or wrong. Would you stay with her if she cheated on you 12 times? It wouldn't even be one time. Mm. Oh no, my standards are higher. Your standards are higher? Yes. Okay. And that's a deal breaker for me.

Well, your standard is higher, but you want me to accept whatever you dishing out?

So what happened last February? She went through my phone and seen a girl text me. I believe I cracked her phone for something she found on me. You cracked her phone? Yeah. 'Cause she found something on you? Yeah. So what happened? You did a public apology as well to Jocelyn on Facebook? I'm ultimately a good person, but I act off emotion. I owe my mother's kids an apology. I hope in your heart you find a place to forgive sometimes up the road. He sent that apology to you publicly?

Yeah.

Okay, and how did that make you feel?

Well, I knew it was just temporary. I can't say I accepted it. I feel he was doing it to save face. He might have been sorry, but I think he did that for show.

It definitely wasn't for show. Everything I do is for me. No, he said he did it for him. You just heard him. He said, "Everything I do is for me." Well, you told my producer that you're ready to change. What do you mean by that? I wanna be a better boyfriend. Can you be committed to Jocelyn the way she wants? I don't know, maybe, 'cause like I'm a go-getter. Maybe if she was more of a go-getter like me, I would be attracted to her more mentally than physically. What are you going and getting besides sex? That's about it. Well, it looks like we got a ping. My producer's telling me that you met with DeMarco before the show and that you had something that you wanted Jocelyn to see? Jocelyn, I have a confession to make. Back in August, I had this longtime friend. We rode around downtown. We had a couple of drinks. Then, you know, we went to a hotel room. We had sexual intercourse. Jocelyn, you always tell me if I tell you the truth, we could turn a new leaf. So hopefully you forgive me this one last time. So that makes 13? Okay, and this was in August you slept with this woman? Mm-hmm. Jocelyn, do you know about this woman in August? No. Okay. Marco, what you gotta say about that confession?

I don't think he care.

I do care, I do care. I actually do care. I don't know, it's just, I guess like I said, it's the maturity. Karamo, I'm exhausted by you. Can you leave my stage? I've been exhausted this entire time. Okay. Sister, we gotta talk. I've been exhausted by this. I don't know if you can catch my body language. I've been exhausted by this entire time. You got this little boy up here playing you and you falling into this because your self-esteem is so low. Your self-esteem is low and we gotta get to the core of why your self-esteem is low. You got this little boy on my stage telling you that he got higher standards, that he's not mentally or emotionally attracted to you because you don't got no drive. Just telling you again blatantly that he's had a 13th woman. Telling you he know damn well that he would not want his children, your children, to be talked to this way, but he feels like it's okay to talk to you that way. We gotta do some soul searching here. And ain't got to do with Marco. It got everything to do with you. Like, what is going on? You are a beautiful woman. You clearly are running your household. You are clearly doing things. What has happened in your past or what is going on now that makes you feel like you need to put up with this type of behavior?

To be honest, I have like, I have struggled with—

It's okay, talk to me.

I'm sorry.

It's okay.

With insecurities about my skin tone.

Okay.

And my weight, everything like that. And I just got to a place where I thought I was good with that, you know? And then he comes out here and he, He tells me, you know, he likes this. So I feel I could never be that for him. I've been talking about like getting surgeries and stuff so I can be like, so I can be what he want, you know? And I think it comes back from childhood, to be honest.

Yeah, okay. This is real. You've lost sight of yourself. And like you said, it could have been from childhood. It could be from now. But what I will tell you is happening right now is that he knows that you lost sight of yourself. He knows it. And he knows that he can manipulate that fact into getting what he wants so that he can have a good time. And he knows you're gonna stay around. And the issue for me is, is that unfortunately, you're never gonna be able to see yourself clearly in the mirror and build yourself back up when you have this man blocking your reflection. Reflection. And what breaks my heart is that you have two daughters. So right now, this is not an easy split. And that's the sad part because it'd be easy for me to be like, well, just leave him, girl. Build yourself back up. But we know that's not reality. Reality is that you do have ties with him. And that's the reason why he, even outta your own mouth, you said that every time he says, let's be a family, it sucks you back in and you know it. So this is not about some young man who didn't grow up in a household with a father who didn't teach him how to be a man because there's been those situations. He knows what he's doing. He's aware that he's disrespecting you. He's aware that he can get away with it. You said you break up what, 3 times a month? What's making you go back? The family? [Speaker] Yeah.

I just wanted to give myself like ample time, you know, like, to situate myself, 'cause right now we in the same unit, we living in the same space. So I wanted to like get outta that space and then, you know, be able to work on myself.

So you're telling me because of the fact that you live with him in that apartment building.

Yeah.

Can you afford rent on your own?

I can, yeah.

Okay then. And the thing is that he's never going to be the man that you need him to. He's not. At best you could ask for now is for him to be the father that you need him to be to those girls. That's the best you can ask. He's never going to be the man that you need him to be. And it's not because of age, it's not because he's immature, because again, I've shown you he knows the difference between right and wrong and he knows he's doing wrong and he's okay with it. That's not about maturity. That's not about I didn't have a daddy. That's about I'm going to manipulate and treat this woman this way because she allows me to. I'll never put any friend before you. You and my son, that's all. That's all I care about. Have you ever cheated on Felicia?

No.

Never? I mean, I've, you know, talked to girls in the past, but nothing like intimate or nothing like that. So you've never physically cheated, but you've emotionally had conversations where you've gotten invested? Yeah, yeah. I felt like I wasn't getting attention And I feel like that too. Do you wanna be with Felicia? Hell yeah. Okay. Oh, you said that with your chest. All right, I heard. And how's the relationship with her family? 'Cause she just told me her mother don't like you. Yeah, I don't understand what her mom problem is with me.

You don't like her either.

Well yeah, only 'cause she comes at me and I don't do nothing. I raise our son, I take care of you. I think, I don't, Honestly, I don't know what her problem is with me. Well, I'm getting a ping right now. It looks like we have a voicemail from Felicia's mother, Gina. I wanna see what she has to say.

Hi, Karamo. I'm Gina and I'm Felicia's mom. And I'm letting you know that she does not need to be with Ray. She deserves much better. He's a dirtbag. He doesn't shower anymore. He doesn't take care of himself. He badmouths my grandson and talks about his weight. Like, the list goes on and on. She deserves better. She's a beautiful, smart, compassionate person. There's somebody that values that and treats her with respect and kindness. He's not the most terrible person in the world, but he has become worse and worse as the days go by. I mean, he's even got us— that is peeing in bottles and putting it next to the couch, and their apartment is maybe 500 square feet, so the bathroom is 10 feet away from where he's laying. You know, he doesn't shower anymore, walks around smelling like cigars, cigarettes.

Her mother She made a lot of accusations about you.

She was lying.

She was lying?

Yeah.

Okay. She said one of the things that, two things mainly stood out to me is the way that you communicate with your son. She's saying that you say things about his weight, that you talk about him in a negative way. Is that true?

No, he doesn't. My son is 13 years old and he's, he works inside 11. My son is big. So we just, you know, like, you need to be a linebacker, boy. Like, you know, stuff like that. It's never, I wouldn't allow anybody to. His dad, his grandma to disrespect my child.

So there's no shaming your child? No. No, she just babies him a little too much.

She does.

Okay.

A lot.

Okay, and you're saying, she also said things of like that you're using the restroom in bottles instead of going to the restroom.

That's a bald-faced lie.

Uh-huh. That's a lie.

And I don't even know why she would even, you don't even live with us, so how would you even know what happens?

Exactly.

Exactly. Like, why would you even say that? That's disgusting.

I'm not gonna lie, looking at you, you fresh. Like that beard, everything, the eyebrows. Thank you. You always see it. I mean, you can normally see when somebody is—

I don't look like I'm using bottles like that.

Really? You can usually tell off somebody's hygiene and the way they look like, maybe they—

Right.

Okay.

And I definitely wouldn't be with him like that. Yeah.

So what is she seeing that I'm still not seeing? Because I'm hearing a little bit from you.

I think it's more of the, we're not giving each other the attention that we need to be giving each other. We're not, I feel like we don't love each other like we did when we first met. But I mean, I'm—

You agree to that? Yeah. Okay. But I'm willing to work on that.

Yeah, me too.

I'm willing to go another 15 years with her. Well, I gotta tell you, if I'm gonna give you all of my advice right now before I unlock both of your phones, is that I do see love here. I do see young love that has been growing together. You've been trying to figure out the world together. I do think y'all have run your course though. I think y'all want different things. I think you're a different woman than you were when you were 22 when y'all met. I think you're a different man than at 22. I think she's probably grown a little bit more, and I think that you're more comfortable with the same old, same old than she is. Am I hitting that on the nail?

Yeah.

And I don't think y'all are giving each other the ability to explore who you are, and that's what I mean by running its course. But we still got some phones to unlock. So first, I'm gonna unlock Rae's phone. All right, here we go. Felicia wanted to know if you are still messaging women on Facebook. Ray, you denied it. And my unlock the phone investigator searched your DMs. And he's telling the truth. He is not messaging other women on Facebook. All right, number 2, Felicia wanted to know if Ray has been looking at porn. Ray claims he's not. My Unlock the Phone investigators searched your apps and your browser history, and you're telling the truth. This man is looking at this woman alone. Told you. By the way, we go through deleted browser histories too. So Ray, you have no porn apps on your phone? No. Okay. Number 3, Felicia, you want to know if Ray is still communicating with the woman that you caught him cheating with. You said you are not. My Unlock the Phone investigators searched Ray's texts, and he's telling the truth. How do you feel about that?

I feel good.

Okay. Now listen, now it's time to unlock your phone. When we asked Felicia though to unlock her phone, she had some very interesting things to say about it. So I want y'all to take a listen to this.

So wait, she said she talked to you about the unlock the phone. Yeah, I don't wanna do that. Why don't you wanna do it? Because there's a lot of stuff in my phone. We do not look at anything unless it is related to exactly your situation.

—Like what?

—I talk to a lot of people on Snapchat and I flirt a lot. I got a little Snapchat relationship with somebody and it's one of his clients, so it's like— Wait, is that gay? Oh no, that's no. This is new.

Oh, he doesn't know? This happened after we have already been talking. So Felicia, this has really turned from an unlock the phone to a Karamo confession. What do you wanna tell him right now? 'Cause we just heard it. What do you wanna tell him?

I did mess with. What? Are you serious?

So you willing to throw everything away?

No, I came here to tell you that because I wanted to get it off my chest and tell you the truth so that we can move forward.

Is there anything else you wanna confess about? It's gonna be hard, man. It's gonna be hard.

Man, that cut me deep. And also, I miss [MASKED]. What? Who is [MASKED]?

The roommate. The roommate. Ray, come back here. Let me talk to you.

I just wanted to tell you the truth now so that we could get past it.

That's what we're here for. Okay, Ray, what are you thinking? I need to hear you, man. What are you thinking? What are you thinking? It's gonna be hard. So you now do know that she has talked to the guy that she sent that text message, your former client, and she also had slept around with your roommate. Come on out on the stage. Let's talk about this. Come on out. Okay, so you said that you wanna grow past this and I know you're in shock right now. I can see your eyes are welling up. You're in pain 'cause you didn't know about any of this. I don't know, I better not ever see dude. Now I'm gonna say this, somebody said period, but this is your wife, this is your woman. So even though you mad about that, this is her. What you gotta say to her about this? I'm sorry. I love you a lot. It's gonna be hard getting over this, but I don't wanna lose you. My advice still sticks. I'm looking at this holistically of who you are and where you were at 20 years old and where y'all at now. And I understand you're staying in because again, somebody like I said before, who doesn't want things to change, want things to be the same, is gonna be like, you know what? I can work through this. But your girl is telling you to your face that she was unhappy. She has slept around. And I'm not judging you or calling you a bad person. You made your choices the way you need to make your choices. But I don't think this is gonna stop here. And everybody around y'all outside of the accusations your mother made are saying y'all unhappy. And telling her she deserves more. And maybe you deserve more so that you can grow, you can grow too. You deserve more here. So I think y'all got some real conversations to have about where y'all growing. I wish y'all the best of luck though. Seriously. Thank you. So tell me about that online relationship you had.

Oh man, it's just a TikTok crush. It wasn't, you know, anything too crazy. I mean, like anyone that would find someone kind of attractive on TikTok, you're like, "Ooh, I'm gonna follow them." Then you see that they follow you back and you're like, "Oh man, they must kind of like me," you know? Well, at that time I was like, you know, really emotionally just overwhelmed. I felt really alone. Troy's not very like, he's not a very emotional person. There is lack of like attention for me. You know, when we first got together, he was like, I mean, I was his everything. And over the last, you know, years of being like, you know, a mother to his children, I just felt like I didn't have like that support from him anymore, that love. Like, you know, he's never, not once told me I'm beautiful through our 10-year relationship. Really? He doesn't like post me on social media. And that's what I do. I'm a social media influencer. I post myself so I can have feedback from people to know that I'm a good person. I had a really rough growing up. So knowing that I can do something in my life and come from nothing makes me feel really good about it. Yeah, I understand.

Do you wish that Troy would've found out about the online relationship from you?

Honestly, probably not, just because we're not very good at communicating. I think that it would've been more, It would've been really hard for me to bring that up. It was something that I was kind of trying to hide, you know, something that wasn't, I was being sneaky and I shouldn't have been, but at the same time, I just like really needed attention at the time.

Well, were you thinking about him at all during that situation?

I was thinking mostly like, you know, this is wrong, guilty feelings, but at the same time I felt really good. You know, I had somebody, showing me attention, somebody, you know, talking me up. Like I said, we've never been on a date. He's never like called my dad and said, you know, can you please watch the kids so I can take Christina out?

Yes, to an extent. But I think a lot is left out in the aspect of it kind of goes back to my working and my working shouldn't be my excuse and I should do more.

But we've been kind of in this build mode in our relationship for 10 years.

Now, you know, we started with nothing, you know, and it's really been like a mission to reach goals, you know. But just because you're building doesn't mean you can't tell your wife she's beautiful. Do you feel like this relationship is right for you? I do, I do.

I feel like we have a lot to work on. I feel like we're really compatible as far as like, you know, our parenting skills, the love we have for each other. I mean, I know that I messed up, I know that I, you know, I did something I probably shouldn't have, you know, but there's been some trust issues in our relationship, not just from my side, you know, but from Troy as well.

Oh, so you've done something to break the trust? I've spent money financially.

It's called financial infidelity.

And yeah, I did, you know. So you spent money on another woman? No, no, no, no. Okay. No, just stuff like my hobbies and stuff.

Well, basically like himself. Just not saying.

Oh, on yourself.

Let's just say it was like $3,500 that I calculated all in one, I mean, every day he was going to the bank, grabbing money out, so. Got it, okay, for this. And like, what are you spending it on? You know, not things for the house. It was things for himself, selfish things.

Do you get upset when you think about not being with him?

Yes, I do, because I don't know where I would be without him. I don't think that, like, I wouldn't even be able to be here today without him, you know?

Why do you feel that way?

Just 'cause he's helped me so much, you know? Financially supported me, emotionally, but he's always still just held my hand and told me like, "Good job, and I'm proud of you." Even though I know he feels, you know, some type of way sometimes, but I just, you know, I want you to know that no matter what I do, I love you. And all I want from you is just your attention. And I just want you to love me back like I love you. Okay. You know, I'm sorry, I'm a crybaby.

No, no, no worries, no worries. But the thing, before I can even give you any of my opinions on any of the things that I heard today, I think we need to get to these phone results first. So I'm gonna go through the phone.

Okay. Thank you.

All right, Christina, we went through your phone to look for apps to see if you were talking to anybody else. We also went through photos, locations, and text messages. Part of the locations, I wanna be clear, is because you were worried that maybe she was seeing someone else somewhere else? Yes. This is TikTok guy. You wanted to see if there was any visits or anything? Yeah. So when we went through your phone, Christina, the first thing we found, we went through apps, We checked for any suspicious things in apps and we found zero apps. When it came to photos, we searched for any suspicious photos and we found 20 photos that were in your phone, all nudes of you, but they were never sent to anyone else.

They're for his eyes only.

All right, when it came to locations, we did find one location that was in a different state that wasn't your home state. I don't know where you were and I don't know who you were with.

You know? It was either Minnesota 'cause my grandfather passed away in 2021.

Do you know about this? Yes, I do.

Okay, where was it? Or it was in 2019 when I did a music video with Afroman in Ohio.

Do you know where this guy lives on TikTok? Yes, I do. No. Okay, is it either of those states? No, it's not. Okay, great. All right. All right, so when it came to text messages, we looked through your phones for suspicious text messages between you and anyone else to see if there's anything that could be suspicious. I did find 1,284 texts between you and the same person, someone named Fester. Do you know who that is? Yes.

Oh my gosh, I'm so sorry. Who's Fester? He's our neighbor.

He's like in our group of friends. He's our good friend. Okay, he's a good friend. Yeah, yeah. Okay, makes sense.

We're just telling you what we found out.

That's my bestie. Okay, great. That's your message. Okay, great. Now there was one other text that after my investigator went through the phone that I wanted to see because I'm all big on communication. Oh yeah. And I found one text that was between you and Troy that I thought was pretty bad. We're no longer engaged. I literally don't even wanna be with you. "But for the kids' sake, I'm going to keep trying and just know I'm not happy, period." But there is a bigger symptom in this relationship that I saw and realized right there. And I was listening and taking notes on what you all were saying here. One of the first things I asked you is, "Why do you think you're compatible?" And the only thing you could say to me was parenting. Echoes what you said here. Only staying with you because of the kids. I also asked you if you are happy. You were like, "Oh yeah." Wasn't a convincing answer for somebody who's been with someone for 10 years. I just sat here and watched you say several times, "My husband never calls me beautiful." And not once did you decide in this moment to turn and say, "You're beautiful." Because there's a whole bunch about not having the same emotional bandwidth to be able to communicate maybe the same way she does. She can be overly expressive. But there's another thing about just showing common decency to your wife. Yes. Your wife has literally said, "You don't call me beautiful." And not one bone in your body thought to turn and tell your wife she's beautiful. Even right now. Even right now. Thank you. You're beautiful. I'm sorry. Beautiful. I love you. I'm gonna tell you this right now, and this is gonna sound, this might sound crazy to some. I don't fault you at all for having this relationship on TikTok. I don't fault you one single bit. I don't. And let me tell you why I don't fault you. Because if even half of your relationship has been what I've seen here, you have been neglected your entire relationship. I do agree. I appreciate you agreeing. Because all I'm doing is just going through facts. I'm not thinking about anything else. I'm looking at what you've said, looking at what you've done, and looking at what you've told me about your past. You've never gotten over trust issues. You have a wall up. Do you wanna talk to her about why you have this wall up?

I think I've never just acknowledged the wall. I'm right here. I think I've never acknowledged it fully, and I know that it's there. I know that it's there, and it's been there a lot longer than, you know, since my childhood.

It's just one of those big walls that you can't get over, you know, and a big reason why I haven't gotten over it is because Because I haven't accepted that it's there, I think. Yeah. And I think I need to look at that wall and climb over it. It's okay, babe, I love you. The fact that you would be able to establish and say, "Yes, there is a wall and it's been there from childhood." I don't know what happened in your childhood and I don't have enough time, I wish I did, to really go into it deep with you, but there is something there.

Let's just say we have a trauma bond, I believe.

Yeah. But part of that is, I appreciate the acknowledgement, but as you're doing the work to get over that wall, it doesn't give you a right to neglect your wife. It doesn't. And your wife is screaming out for one thing. Just look at me, give me a little attention, make me feel good. Do you think I'm cute?

Yes, I do. Are you sure? I'm like, who are you texting, my kid? She like, oh, this is just one of my clients. And I'm thinking, okay, it's late and we having some us time right now. What's going on? So I decided to take it upon myself while she was over there texting to log in and see exactly who she's texting. And she's texting Mr. Barbershop Man. So at this point in time, my heart is crushed. I'm broken. I'm sitting there and I'm just laying there like, how could you? Like really right up under my nose? Yeah. So I turns around and I'm just like, I wanna let it go for tonight. I didn't wanna start an argument with her. The next morning I went to work. I could barely even focus because I'm so concentrating on this girl's out here cheating on me. Yeah. Soon as I left the house, she called him.

'Cause you saw him when your phones are linked, you saw.

Exactly. Not only did she call him, but she turned around and left right after I went to work. So she met up with him. Got it. The whole time lying to me about where she's at. Whole time she's with him. I normally call her when I'm at work. I called, she answered, but the sound of her voice sound like she was trying to sound sexy for somebody. You don't sound like that, my kid. You don't sound like that. Yeah. So I said, okay, what should I do? What should I do? Now I'm ready to leave work because I'm so frustrated and I'm so heartbroken. I call her and I ask her, "Where you at?" I asked her again multiple times. She still kept lying to me. She finally made it home. I called her on FaceTime. She claimed that she wasn't with this person, she wasn't with that person. I said, "You're lying to me. You're lying to me because I know." "How do you know?" "I was at home this whole time." "No, you wasn't." She didn't wanna tell me, but I knew at this point in time, a week later, that's when I ended up confessing to her that I went through your phone. I went through your phone and this is what I found. And don't sit here and lie to me because I'm showing you right now. And I told her at this point in time, I'm ready to leave. I know she don't want me to leave and I don't wanna leave, but if that's what I gotta do, I'm gonna go. So from that point on, after me logging in and seeing that this specific number kept popping up and she's texting and calling this person every time I'm not around or even sometimes right up under my nose, that's when I took it upon myself to say, okay, today's the day you're not gonna be a dummy no more. Not today.

And when you confront her, what does she say to you? She lie like she always do. So it's constant lies? She's an habitual liar. Mykia handed over her phone to our investigators. What you wanted to find out is 3 things. You want to know, is she still talking to the guy she hooked up with at the barbershop, correct? You also wanna know if Mykia is meeting up with a guy from the barbershop. And you also wanna know if she's talking to any sneaky links on social media through text. Well, Janey says if today's results prove that Mykia is still cheating, the relationship Like she just said, it's over. So everyone, please welcome Mykia to the show.

Yeah, bring that cheater out.

Hey, how you doing?

Hi. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you.

Give me a hug. So you're hearing all these things. What are you feeling about that?

Well, first of all—

Are you still cheating? I am not.

And every time I did cheat, We have talked about that and she claimed to have forgiven me. But besides that, if anybody is untrustworthy, it's you. She's lying, Karamo. Because— She's putting on a show. For what reason? You're putting on a show. For what reason? You're putting on a show. For what reason? You're lying, lying. For what reason are you even searching my phone, searching my data, doing whatever you doing to get the information that you getting when you could've just asked?

How did you feel about the fact that she linked your phones?

I felt like like my privacy was invaded. It's like if you keep accusing me of doing something even when I'm not doing it, you know what I mean? You accuse me, so I might as well just do what you said I did. And that's kind of how I feel with it or whatever. But also I feel like it's nothing wrong with being selfish sometimes.

You told my producers that you call yourself a self-proclaimed cheater. What do you mean by that?

I think I might have said serial cheater.

Serial cheater?

Yeah, she's a liar, she's a cheater, and she's always been that.

She says you've known that she's been a cheater, that you knew that.

No, I mean, as I told you before, yes, she has cheated in the past before, but she got herself back together only to let me down the wrong path again. I just feel like at this point in time, I've been faithful to you, and I just want you to be faithful to me as I've been to you. And if you can't do that, then I'm gone. There's too many fish in the sea. And if you ain't pulling my way, somebody else will.

Period. Yeah. Are you still talking to the guy from the barbershop? No, I'm not.

Yes, she is. Yes, she is. No, I am not. Because after I gave her the ultimatum to stop talking to this man and block his number, she said she did. And I found her talking to him 3 months later.

Is that true?

No, that is not true. First of all, I met that man at the barbershop, yes. And we did exchange numbers and we did— to get her hair fixed. We did exchange numbers and we did have a few little conversations, but when the conversation started getting weird, I started being like, nah, you know, this ain't really what I want. And not only that, not only that, I just— like I said, 11 years of my life, there's no excuse for nothing that you have to say. It's no excuses. That's true. It's no excuses. But we have talked about this, and my thing is, why do you claim to keep on— we already talked about all this stuff, so you claim to forgive me, but you keep bringing it up. So therefore, there's no way that we can get past this because you keep bringing it up. What's happening right now, Janaye? What's happening right now? What's happening right now, Janaye? Karamo, tell me what's happening. Unlock that phone. Unlock that phone.

Unlock the phone. Before we unlock this phone, Mykia, is there anything that you want Janaye to know?

No. Okay. A liar like she always been. All right. Let's go.

Janaye, you want to know, you want to find out if Mykia is still talking to the guy she hooked up with at the barbershop. Mykia, you denied that. My unlock the phone investigator searched Mykia's texts to see if they're still talking and she is telling the truth. She is not talking to the guy at the barbershop. Okay.

How do you feel? I mean, I feel good because I know I haven't done anything, so I don't have no reason to feel any type of way. I know that I've been faithful to her, so. Mm-hmm, okay.

Janey, you want to find out if Mykia is meeting up with the guy from the barbershop. Mykia denied it. My unlock the phone investigator went through Mykia's GPS to see if they've ever been together. And she is telling the truth.

I told you, I told you. The crazy part about it is— Why do I gotta keep, why? It's something about it that makes me feel like she's still lying.

It's something about it that makes me feel like she's still lying. We still got one more. Okay. Janay, you want to know if Mykia is talking to any sneaky links on social media or through text. My unlock the phone investigator went through Mykia's apps and found she is not telling the truth. We found two sneaky links that she was talking to. Come on now.

So you still sitting up here lying to me? Girl, take a seat. For what reason are you still lying to me?

Take a seat. For what reason are you still lying to me? We got it. Don't put your hands on her though, but. Oh my God. Yeah. Well, listen, when you ask for sneaky links, we go off of what you're asking for. That means if there's any photos, any conversation that we're gonna find. "My investigator found something." So what do you have to say?

The last time I did anything with anybody was the guy from the barbershop, and we only met at the barbershop. But if you love me so much, for what reason was you, for what reason were you even talking to Mr. Barbershop Man, Mr. Sneaky Licker? It was really just a conversation at first, and then things just went sour. So if that's who you wanted to talk to, why are you still here? Why were you here? I'm trying to figure that out. I love you and I wanna be with you.

Are you holding onto this relationship because of your daughter?

A part of me is holding onto it because of that, but another part of me is because that's where my heart is at. And I don't know how to walk away and maybe I might need some help, but I really genuinely love Mykia and I wanna spend the rest of my life with her, but I don't wanna keep being hurt.

Mykia, do you consider talking cheating? Yeah. So you do consider talking cheating? Yeah. So if you're just talking to somebody, doesn't mean you slept with them, that you are acknowledging that would be cheating. That is definitely cheating still. Okay, great. So you got the answers you needed. So how are you feeling in this moment?

I'm feeling like it's over. I'm done. I'm done. I keep, I gotta go. I'm done.

Do you believe this is done? 'Cause I don't. 'Cause I don't believe it.

She been saying it for a while and at the end of the day, if this is what it comes to for us to break up, for her to know that I really, really wanna be with her regardless of whatever mistakes I make, then it's just gonna be what it is because my feelings is hurt just as well as her feelings is hurt.

What's hurting you emotionally?

Because I really wanna be with her and I do make mistakes and I've been around serial cheaters my entire life and this is This is how I am. So even before I got in a relationship with her, she knew this.

But this is not how you are. This is a choice of how you're trying to be. This is a choice. Do you really want monogamy?

I'm not sure. I really don't know.

I'm not sure. That's the most honest thing that I've heard you say right now. Y'all got the truth, y'all got the information, and I actually honestly wish y'all the best of luck in truth and communication. You hear me? Thank you.

Good luck today. We would be on video calls while I'm at work so he could see what I was doing, who was around me, and all that. So this is about him. Got it.

It's not about you. Never cheated. Never cheated.

So what happened at the club last week? I got drunk. Okay. And I had enough.

Okay. So you're saying—

He started, there was somebody in the club that he, okay, first and foremost, let's back it up. Every guy that I speak to, I've either slept with or I wanna sleep with or they slept with me or wanna sleep with me. Okay.

Uh-huh, okay. Automatically. So why do you think he's making all these accusations? I don't know. 'Cause from his point of view, he's saying that he's following patterns and seeing certain behaviors. Do you feel like he's just making that up? 'Cause he said you do call him delusional. So do you think he's delusional?

I did call him delusional. I did. Because if we are constantly on video calls while I'm at work, you see what I'm doing. You see my client, you see the whole house. You're still accusing me. You take me to work, you pick me up. If you want me to leave early, I leave early. I come home to you. I wake up to you, I go to sleep to you. That's a facade.

Oh, he said it's a facade. It's a facade. Oh, it's a facade. I'm glad you touched up on that. I was waiting.

So anyway, it's not your turn. You spoke. I'm sorry. So with that being said, at the club when he decided that this person talking to my cousin, he knew we were going to the store to get black and milds for my cousin. That's why I needed to brandish a receipt.

Okay, what's your point of view? Detroit Lions, because for one, they didn't even have enough money to get two Black and Milds that they allegedly sent us to the store for.

Yeah. This whole thing is a circle.

I asked him earlier if he's ever cheated and he said he has not. Have you ever caught him cheating?

It's text messages in his phone right now from some girl. I called the girl. He asked the girl, what size panties you wear? What size shoes you wear? The girl, she obviously is the build of me 'cause our measurements are Bam, right exactly the same.

Is that true? Yeah, I did that. I did that as a warning. I could have been doing that.

It is relatively easy for me to do that. But see, that's the thing. It's not a warning. How do you give a warning about something that you're not even sure about? You have no proof that I cheated on you. I have never, ever cheated on you. You go through my phone, you've never I never seen no text messages, no nothing. You do.

See, let's back this up real quick, right? The reason, the club situation, you said I started it. Actually, I didn't start nothing. You was drunk, I didn't want you to drive.

You're not gonna tell me to get out my car.

Why, you drunk.

See, this is where— You was drunk too. And you don't have a license.

But in relative, he wasn't trying to drive. He was just trying to stop you. No, yes he was.

Yes he was. Yeah, because you was too high. He always wants to win. We almost got in two accidents. And you up there making it seem like I'm just walking around beating on you and shit. Don't do that.

But this is the fourth time you've hit me with closed fists for no reason, right?

For no reason. I'm not putting my hands on you, woman. Your mouth, man. Being in my face, man.

Accusing me, man. You gonna run into the wrong man. So you're saying that from your point of view, I mean, all of this sounds, 'cause I'm hearing the drinking, the driving, the hitting each other. I mean, but it sounds like from this, because that's a big accusation. You're saying that you did hit him. And how long have you two been together again?

9 months? Since February 11th.

February 11th, so 9 months, okay. So Monique, before I unlock your phone, I asked him as well, are you cheating? No. Okay, great. Well listen, I think it's time to unlock this phone. Let me remind everyone, Tahim, you told my investigator that you want to know if Monique is cheating on you with any other men. And so it's time to unlock the phone and get to the truth of all this. All right, so, Tahim, you want to know if Monique is cheating on you with any other guys. Monique says she is not. My unlock the phone investigator searched her phone and found that Monique is not telling the truth. My unlock the phone investigator found, searched her texts and found 150 texts between her and another man. These are some of the text messages we found where she had sent. So you could see, you just said to me that y'all started dating February. That is his old phone. Okay.

Never have I cheated on this man, never. So this is his phone that you're texting?

Old number. I want you to come home, I miss you. We was together in March, wasn't we?

We was always together. We never leave each other's side. Come on. I was still working in Coatesville. You were in Philly. Those are our messages.

Okay, that's good. Listen, all we're here to do is find it and search it. We'll give you these messages before. Listen, we'll keep going. So listen, Taheem wants to know if Monique is cheating on him with any other guys. Monique says she is not. My unlock the phone investigators searched her photos and found that Monique is not telling the truth. We found 7 sexually explicit photos to and from the same man that had been deleted. Can we see the evidence bag? Thank you so much. So these are, this is photos that was in there. And then here goes some more of the texts. You can see the photo first. It was a photo that was recently received. So.

That's old, that was not recently received.

Okay. Well, to continue on, my, Tahim, he wants to know if Monique has cheated on him with any other guys. So we searched the videos and we did find Monique, you weren't telling the truth. We also found one sexually explicit video of the same man.

So we gonna talk about this.

So the phone number's at the top.

We gonna talk about this. 'cause you not gonna play in my face. He knows about this man. This is my ex. This is well, well— You know about this man? Before him. Oh yeah, that was like 30 years ago though.

So you're still communicating and seeing him? No. No. See, now I'm getting confused. This is when I go delusional. Oh no. See, you see what I'm saying? Explain.

That picture is an old picture.

Okay, so I just gotta let you know this. My producers just confirmed the photo that is in question right here that you said is old is not old. Everything that we are giving is from March so we can be consistent. That's not true. The number that was given was 856— Is that your former number? That is not your former number.

No, them text messages, the text messages are between us. This is my number?

We gonna— Hold on, but this is the thing. I can see how gaslighting happens here because I'm telling you directly this is from March and I'm also, You question the telephone number and I have never in my years of training had to give somebody like I'm a phone operator, 855- So who number is that?

Okay.

So whose number? Because you can't gaslight me with it.

It's not about gaslighting anybody. But that's since March. Yes, in March.

In March, we would see these photos and these texts. This is from March.

That is my ex.

So why are you in communication with your ex sending naked photos and videos since March? I didn't send any naked photos to him. There's a picture of your lower parts. And a picture of his whammy. Mm-hmm. So this is from March. So what is your response to that?

That it was from March.

So your response is not, I apologize, yes, let me own it. Your response is that it was from March?

I own that. The fact that the messages were in my phone. Why you mad at me? I didn't do it, girl.

That's yours.

You did it. Why you mad at me? I'm not mad at you. I didn't do it. I'm not mad at anything. I'm not mad at anything. I'm simply getting my point across.

You can keep that. You can sit right there with that. Okay. How you feel about this? You can stay here with that. She is deleted. Mm. Yeah. I got options like a college team. Okay. Okay.

That's the thing. I'm gonna need some of this tea. Everything is a big-ass game for him. This is not a game for me. Yeah. You got MC Hammonds in your phone talking about it a game. And you got bitches in your phone. Like, you out here buying breakfasts while I'm at work?

He's already made his decision, but I'm trying to get you to a place of clarity for yourself. You just said now he's buying other women's stuff.

So you're not happy. That was the text messages that I seen in his phone. On the phone with him talking about he never done nothing.

So why would you be happy and wanna stand that yourself? Whatever. So we both clearly know that this is a toxic relationship. You made a decision, you leaving? It's a wrap for her. It's a wrap, it's done. He knows what he was feeling. He's been clear about his emotions. He's been able to end it right now. I want you to get to that place as well for yourself. Has she been like this since the beginning of your relationship? When the beginning of your relationship, were you affectionate? Yes, very. Very. What changed for you?

The cheating, the lying.

But my whole thing is 'cause— Hold on, we have a ping. And my producers tell me they wanna bring my evidence bag because there's something on your phone, Shanice, that you wanna show me. I don't know what this is. What is it that you wanna show me? A video. Okay. What is this video you wanna show me? When is this? Okay, so, sorry, I gotta come up. So this is a video of you having sex with another woman? Oh! And why do you have this on? How did you get this on your phone? How did you get this video? From his Snapchat. So you got this from his Snapchat? Mm-hmm. Why do you have the video?

Oh, 'cause I went through his phone and I went to his pictures and I seen the time he was with her having sex when I was supposed to be with him.

So what is your thing to that? I was 100% wrong, Karamo.

There's nothing else I can say. She never left this whole relationship from the beginning to the end. There's nothing else I can say, Karamo, is that I would go. She been around, you need to go be with her.

100%. I would go. But I'm confused because she's showing me a video of, first of all, like the fact that you've seen that video, that would be for me enough to say I'm done. It broke me. I get it broke you. I get it broke you. But I don't get why you keep going back. I don't understand that. Me either. Well, listen, we have Shanice's best friend and coworker, Matty, in our audience today. Matty, what have you witnessed?

I've witnessed, I mean, over the last 48 hours, 'cause I spent 2 days with both of 'em. Over the last 48 hours, I've witnessed Flex be immensely manipulative with the words that he says, You don't understand, bro, but the verbiage that you use, it don't make you look manly, it makes you look like a punk, 'cause it makes you look like you wanna control somebody.

And in reality, bro, in reality, no disrespect, but you about to push 40 years old.

You gotta grow up, my, like that's just how it is.

You really have to grow up. You treat my best friend like she's like dog, like you treat her like you dog her out all the time, bro.

And that's not cool. That's my best friend. You a beautiful girl, Shanice. I swear to God, you a beautiful girl.

And you deserve so much better than he can ever give you. I promise you, baby.

Much love, for real.

So he says that your language is manipulative. Are you manipulative in your language? I mean, I don't feel like I am. So I can tell you from here, one of the main words I wrote in your communication is manipulation. Okay. So there is manipulation in the way that you say things. Do you see you being manipulative? I mean, I don't see it that way. And why don't you see it in that way? I mean, like, let me explain the situation. Like yesterday, the whole situation that we got into an argument about her staying in the room with me was, so we went out, we went to the mall and stuff, and then we came back, and when we came back, she went to her room or whatever, I went to my room, and she was wondering why I had an attitude, and I'm like, I don't like to be away from you and you know that. And when she came to my room, we talked about that. But even that, that's part of manipulation and control. To be able to say to somebody, you're going here, because I think language is important. So we must learn the language. So if you're watching this at home, you can recognize this in your own life. If someone says, I'm gonna go to the mall and then I come back and I'm pissed and I got an attitude now, that's a toxic behavior because now it's like, well, you left me for a second. So now I'm manipulating you emotionally to wanna come back to me, but I'm also controlling you controlling you to make you feel like you can't leave without me later in the future. That's manipulation and control. Do you see that? I mean, as you saying it now, I see it. I think that unconsciously you've always known that you have exhibited this behavior. I think the thing for me, if I'm an outsider, is that you know you're gonna get away with it because she's always going to come back. So when you have someone who's gonna always come back, why would I ever need to change my behavior? But I will say this to you, I'm listening here and yes, you cheated. Your stuff is laid out. And now that I've given you that language to understand that you are manipulating her and you are controlling her, you get it. But for you, this is the bigger piece for me. You're addicted to drama. Did you realize that? You can be addicted to a negative emotion and that is what you're exhibiting. You are addicted to it. And even though you're saying it is breaking your self-esteem, even though you're saying that it is breaking me, it's hurting me, you are still just like an addict who sees their body deteriorating, they see their life crumbling around them, they still say, I wanna go back for more. The fact that you've done two key things that I wrote down, you call your family members consistently to get validation for the drama you're in and they've told you and set a boundary that they don't wanna hear it anymore, yet you're still trying to reach out to them. That means you want more of the drama to be around you. The second, the biggest piece is that you're holding onto a video of your man having sex with another woman and it hasn't made you leave. It hasn't made you leave. You are looking at a man that you say you love have sex with another woman and you think that is healthy.

No, I know it's not healthy.

Then why are you doing it? Because you're addicted to it. The only way for you to get over your addiction and for you to actually be able to confront him and say, these are my boundaries, this is what I deserve, is if you are able to say just like any other addict that you don't want to be addicted to drama anymore.

I don't, and he knows that. Okay.

You're saying he knows it. Do you believe it? I believe it. Okay then. So if you don't want to be addicted to drama anymore, first thing is that you need to delete that outta your phone. Because you're looking for validation to say, oh my gosh, look, look, look. Go into the deleted, no, go into the deleted folder too. Go into the deleted folder too. 'Cause I know how that work. So now you said you deleted that from your phone. I'm sure there's other stuff in there that you're gonna need to go through later and that you need to delete. But the question is, if you're addicted to this negative behavior, Do you want to stop being addicted to this? I do. Then if you wanna stop, when you know when an addict is addicted to drugs, when someone's addicted to gambling, what do you do to drop the addiction? You have to get the drug out of your life. Exactly.

And he doesn't understand that. Do you understand it?

You keep pointing at him. I understand. That shows me the addiction. That shows me addiction. Are you ready to say it's up to you? 'Cause I'm not telling you to do anything. I'm not telling you it has to be on you. Do you think we can fix this or we came on this show to end this? I love you and I really wanna be with you. I've been very clear about behaviors, manipulation and control. He told you he's not giving you your books. How much do your books cost? $500. I will give you $500 to make sure that just in case he doesn't give you your books, you can still continue your career. Thank you. You have your books. You said, are y'all still living together? No. No. So you're not living with him anymore? Nope. So you're not living with him. The only thing he has is your books. So it's up to you now to say whether you wanna be addicted to this or not.

I don't.

So what do you want to say to your man? Listen. I'm willing to change.

I'm here on the, I didn't come on this show. I didn't come on this show to, I didn't come on this show to end this.

I come on this show to fix this. Like, I love you.

I love you. You know what's so crazy to me though? You know yesterday at the barbershop, right? When I told them, oh, they can keep you. You told the man that he can have me. And what did he do? Put his arm around me and took me. You said they can keep me though. Yo, what is wrong? Are you dumb?

Are you dumb? What do you wanna say? Look at this unhealthy conversation. communication right here. I can't do it. Do you want to go? Goodbye. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's part of manipulation. Recognize behavior. That is not him trying to say, I'm. He's manipulating you. I know. Let me show you. I'mma leave. I'm done. So that later on I can say, well, baby, you put me in that situation on a leave. That's it. That's manipulation time. Are you done? I'm done. Can you tell him? Because I noticed it, You're right there, you couldn't find the words to tell him. You went into another story. 'Cause I want him to know something, that's why. But see, part of you wanting to know him is part of that addiction, is part of that feeling of like, let's have one more argument, let's have one more thing. I'm sorry. That's just one example. You don't need to apologize. You don't need to apologize. He is verbally abusive. He cuts you off. He's been cheating on you. You know all the things, but there's something about you that's still holding onto this negative behavior and he's gonna continue to manipulate you control you and cheat on you until you make the decision to say enough is enough. And I realized right there that you didn't have the courage to say enough is enough.

No, it is. I'm done. That's it. Okay, I am single. Okay.

I am proud of you for ending it. I am proud of you and I don't wanna diminish the fact that you just ended something, but I need you sister to learn, don't engage. Engage anymore. Let me tell you something, somebody who don't want drama does this, boy bye, I'm done. And their friend comes up to them, they be like, what happened? They be like, I'm done, girl, I don't even wanna talk about it. Let's go have a cocktail. Y'all ever been to that place? Y'all know when you get to that place, you are not about the drama anymore. That's the place you need to get to. I believe you gonna get there. I believe you gonna get there.

Thank you so much.

Yeah, you're welcome. I do love you, I do love you. And I'm gonna check up on you, okay? Okay. I'm gonna check up on you.

This is ridiculous that she's accusing me accusing my dad of cheating when she's the one probably out here doing whatever she wants to do. For one, she's, she's just way too young. She's still in her party days. She still wants to go out. She still wants to go be free, but then have him paying all of her bills. This is ridiculous that she's talking about marriage and kids. They don't— my dad does not need any more kids. She's got my dad paying all of her bills. She's not stepping up to the plate as a woman. And in my opinion, they shouldn't even be together.

So she thinks you're still in your party days. Are you still in your party days?

Yes, but first of all—

She said yes. You said yeah.

I wanna react to that because first of all, I have two jobs. He does not pay my bills. She's lying on that. And for one, she's disrespectful. She's annoying as shit and she disrespectful. Like she needs to mind her business. Got it.

Carnell, how do you feel about what your daughter just said? Well, I'm with Crystal and I wanna be with Crystal. I understand my daughter doesn't like the relationship and that, but that's not for her to decide, so. Well, how do you feel about what Crystal just said when she said like, they made these comments about your daughter? Maybe he is, I don't know. It's so funny because I have, my discernment is telling me one thing and I'm just really ready to unlock these phones to get the truth of it. You're welcome. Congratulations, my man. All right, well, it's time to unlock the phone. Carnell, we unlocked your phone. All right. So Crystal, you wanna know if Carnell has been making any extra stops on his way home from work. Carnell says he is not. My Unlock the Phone investigator searched his GPS and found that Carnell is telling the truth. Crystal, you wanna know if Carnell is using any dating apps. Carnell says he is not. My Unlock the Phone investigator searched his apps and found that Carnell is telling the truth. Crystal, you wanna know if Carnell has been receiving calls from other women late at night. Carnell says he is not. My Unlock the Phone investigator searched his calls and found that Carnell is telling the truth. Crystal, you wanna know if Carnell has been receiving inappropriate texts from other women. Carnell says he has not. My unlock the phone investigator searched his texts and found that he's not telling the truth with this one. We have one text in the monitor. Wow. Hey Anthony, it's nice to see you. I'll see you tomorrow. He says, hey, you finally text me, huh? Hi. "Yes, but I got to get to sleep now. I don't want to be too tired for work in the morning. K, I'll talk to you then. Good night, sweet dreams." So that was the extent of it. There was nothing more. There was nothing more past this. Really, Karamo? Who the fuck is that? And let's be clear, this text was only Monday, this past Monday. So this is nothing like that's been going on for a while.

Who is this?

I couldn't tell you who it is 'cause I don't know the number.

You don't know the number? I don't. So who's texting? Who are you texting?

Well, you said you finally texted me.

You finally texted me back. I'm clear that somebody's texting you and you're texting them back. I honestly don't know who it is. So you're lying?

No, I'm not lying.

Tell me the truth. I'm telling you, I don't know who it is. Who the fuck is this bitch texting you?

I don't know.

Wow. So you don't know? You're shutting me out. You're not gonna tell me the truth?

Look, I don't know who it was that texted me and I don't— I actually believe that you are telling the truth. I actually believe I really do believe, I really do, and I'm a pretty good judge of character. I'm a pretty great judge of character. And I truly do believe that like he probably was trying to have an interaction with somebody. They probably did not text him for the longest. They finally text back. He say, oh, you text me back. And then this was the extent. If you notice something else, it says it's unread. So he hasn't even read this yet. So I do believe that—

Makes sense though, it's weird like how you just suddenly get a text if you're not messing with nobody at work.

I'm not messing with anybody at work. I'm not exactly sure who that's from, but as you said, I don't really—

You said it right in my face. Dude, it's obviously something. No, it's nothing.

Well, outside of that, we do know, what we do know is that he's not going anywhere after work, that he's not, the late calls that he has have all been for work numbers. It hasn't been for any other number. So based on your questions, and I can't say that I know what you're doing the rest of your life, but based on what you're asking, the late night calls are for work. The coming home, he's just there. Even when he walked the dog, GPS shows it's around the corner and then come right back. We don't get anywhere extra when he's with his phone to say that he's going somewhere else. And just those random texts. The only thing that we have is this random text. And again, this text doesn't, For me, personally and professionally, doesn't give me pause for anything. Like the fact that it was, hey, oh, you text me back and then no response, don't even open it. That don't give me anything.

It is because his phone was broke though, so maybe that's why.

Possibly, but I would say this, well—

But obviously he had to give somebody his number. Yeah. You know, so.

Well, Carnell, you wanted to unlock Krystal's phone, so Krystal, we unlocked your phone. Well, Carnell, you wanna know if Crystal has been using any dating apps. Crystal says she is not. My unlock the phone investigator searched her apps and found that Crystal is not telling the truth. My investigator found that she has an active Tinder account from February of this year. Carnell, you wanna know if Crystal is on any explicit websites. Crystal says she's not. My unlock the phone investigator searched her phone and found that Crystal is not telling the truth. My investigator searched her web history and found that Crystal has visited Skip the Games, an adult escort site, 131 times. And the last visited this site October 10th. Carnell, you wanna know if Crystal has been receiving explicit explicit texts from other men. Crystal says she is not. My unlock the phone investigator searched her texts and found that Crystal is not telling the truth. Crystal has 435 text exchanges with multiple men where she offered sex for money. Can I see the evidence back? What?

Where are you going? No! Oh my God.

Thank you all. That can't be true. So Crystal, you playing games now, girl. No, I'm not. Yes, you are, girl. You playing games. So you've been accusing this man and you are over here doing the most. I asked you if you in your partying days and you said clearly fast and quick, Yes, and clearly from this booklet of messages, you clearly are in your party days and have been disrespecting this man nonstop. What you gotta say? You wanna go ahead and take the ring off and just put it right here? 'Cause I know he walked off, but I'm gonna walk off too. I'm gonna go ahead and speak for him. This is trifling-ass behavior. What the hell you doing? Why you taking advantage of this man?

I'm not taking advantage, but I feel like he was cheating on me.

Girl, don't gaslight me. We're not gonna play these games. We're not gonna play these games. We're not gonna play these games. You clearly have been accusing this older man of doing stuff when this man is just stressed about work, the new dog you made him get, and trying to figure out how to have a life with you. This man literally walking 2 hours, this dog that he probably didn't walk, want and you out here on these sites and texting men and saying, what price did we agree on? What we doing? Let's do this and that. Listen, you—

That was a long time ago. This was October, girl.

It is December. See, this is what I mean again when I say age ain't, when you say age ain't nothing but a number. Yes, it is because the maturity, the maturity of a woman who understands that he is in it, she's in a relationship, In a relationship, she wouldn't be doing these things. See, this is young girl behavior. This is not the behavior of a woman who's mature enough to be in a relationship.

But can he come back out here?

I wanna apologize to him. I'm sure this man is done with you from what I just saw. You called the show worried about Carnell's behavior, but it's crystal clear who he should have been concerned about, which is you. This man is done. I'm sure he's gonna forgive you just because of his kind nature. But at the end of the day, this is completely disrespectful. It's completely outta order. Everything you've done here is just, it's completely shit. And I hope you do some soul searching. And at the end of the day, this is the truth of it. His daughter was right about you. Yeah, this is not right. No. I wish the best of luck. I wish the best of luck to Karamo, and I wish you a lot of growth and self-reflection. That's what I wish for you right now, all right? I'm sorry about that. The fact that you were with your wife for 20 years and she passed, I don't think you've properly finished grieving. And I think the fact that you haven't fully grieved is causing you not to see clearly into to the decisions you're making with the next person you might be with. What do you have to say about that? How do you feel? It could be right. It could be right. Yeah. Do you feel alone right now? What's going on? Mm-mm. What are you feeling? Used, pissed off. You're used and pissed off. Yeah. This is, remember, no violence here, but this is a video from September 21st of this year. You know who this is? Oh, yo. Oh my.

Are you kidding me? That, hey.

Oh, this is you giving a woman oral sex.

How do I get out of here? Yeah, that was— Oh my gosh. Hey, but that— But this is the thing though. The video is old. It's just uploaded to my iCloud lately. That's all it is though. But that video like a year older.

So the way our investigator works, we don't work on, we work on when the video was actually timestamped to be recorded. And that video was timestamped to be recorded in September. Not uploaded from, I mean, you've been caught, so why you still trying to gaslight and say?

I ain't gaslighting, I'm just saying like, it ain't, it's not, it wasn't in September though. Like, that's all I'm saying.

That's all I'm saying is it wasn't. It wasn't in September. It just was uploaded. It just was uploaded off a recent date. So you're saying that our investigator who does quite a good damn job is all of a sudden confused? Man, he a human, ain't he? Or she. It's human error.

Can I see the rest of the video?

Yeah, we'll give it to you backstage. We'll give you the whole video. The video just is him engaging in oral sex with her.

That video old. Don't touch me. I ain't touch you. Don't touch me. Don't touch me, cuz you know I don't care, man. I'll pop it up right here on this stage.

Don't touch me. So you know who—

you know who she is? I know who she is, and she's got a well whooped ass when I get home. Look at me like— look, y'all, be for real. Come on now, be for real. I can have any man I want. I can have Any man I want give me oral sex. I could do this anytime I wanted to. And you do though. So what we talking about? I am now.

All right, well let's continue on. Javelin, you want to know if Dre has any explicit photos on his phone. Dre says he does not. Ma unlocked the phone, investigators searched his photos and found that Dre is not telling the truth. We found 28 explicit photos since April of this year. I'mma tell you right now, you can act like that it doesn't matter on this television, but I'mma put your hands in my face. I don't know what these are.

My heart is beating so fast right now.

Okay, so I don't know what these all are. I haven't looked through them. These are text messages. You know what this is?

Um, I just said Oh my gosh, Karamo, what the fuck is that?

These are what we found in the phone. Girl, I didn't search. Why are Did you?

You gonna ask him or me?

That's you to ask him.

Oh, wow. DeAndre, I am not. What is this? What is this, DeAndre? Can you tell me? We're steady going, we're going, and we're dating sites. Where is the vagina? Hey, Andre. Man, hey, hey, you sound crazy right now. Karamo, you looking at this like, am I tripping right now?

No, girl, I saw the same picture you saw. I think there's a conversation. What the fuck is this?

DeAndre. Hey. Herpy bitch? The herpy girl?

I mean, y'all tripping. Yeah. My producer tell me there's pictures of in the phone as well. As long as— So this is not something that you knew? No.

Bring his ass back out here. Now ain't no shame. Shane.

These are all since April of this year.

Wow. I really, I mean, I don't have words for this right now. Like, I really don't know what to say about this, right? I don't know what to say. Like, I'm shook right now. I don't know what to say about that at all. At least— Please redeem yourself. All those nights that I be out late. In back and forth to different cities and stuff, I be pimping.

I be pimping. That's why you see all them pictures in there when they holding up different numbers and this, that, and the third.

That's why I be having so many different girls around. You mean prostituting people bodies? Type shit. Different, different, different girls and stuff. That's why I got the house with all the girls in it.

The ones that just sit there. So, okay, let me ask you a question though, because—

You supposed to be renting out to all them thot-ass bitches? That's how they rent.

No, but let me ask you a question though. Let me ask you a question for it, because like, y'all know I'm from the hood, and so I've never had to collect men's naked photos. Keep 'em. Why do you have to collect the men's naked photos? It's just— And like, listen, you are allowed to do whatever you want to act out. It's a different day and age, and you losing folks' naked photos.

Nowadays. So that's just a verification for—

but the verification was the face. But why would they need a—

anybody can just throw up 4 fingers and have their face over there. Different sizes and— man, man, I ain't— hey, check this out. I don't care what nobody do, homosexuality or whatever, but I ain't rocking that way. Okay, like, I'm so done with your man. Man, you said that before you even got to this Tick tock. Yeah, I'm done with your ass. Okay.

Well, listen, Javelin, we unlocked your phone as well. We gotta get to it as well.

Yeah, drop that shit. Drop it, drop it. I'm hoping y'all find something. I hope you go to tears on this fucking stage.

Dre, you want to know if Javelin has any DMs with other men. Javelin says she does not. My Unlock the Phone investigators searched her DMs and found that Javelin is telling the truth. Oh. Dre, you wanna know if Javelin has any dating apps on her phone. Javelin says she does not. My unlock the phone investigator searched her apps and found that Javelin is telling the truth. Oh, man, y'all like some shit. I know what this is. Y'all a bitch. You wanna know if Javelin has explicit photos on her phone. Javelin says she does not. My unlock the phone investigator searched her photos and found that Javelin is telling the truth.

Oh, no. Y'all can't. Y'all can't.

Dre, you wanna know if Javelin has any inappropriate text exchange on her phone. Javelin says she does not. My Unlock the Phone investigator searched her texts and found that Javelin is not telling the truth. That makes no sense. We found 35 suspicious text exchanges Raph, will you show us? Bring it to me.

What's up with your texts? Let's see. I thought you was innocent. Let's see.

What you cheesing for? Go ahead, girl.

I thought we was being honest. My turn. Nah, it's probably not much of nothing. Let's see. That's what they all say.

It just looks like just a QV. What's a QV? A quick visit?

A quick visit? That's not me. That's DeAndre using my phone. None of those are me. Anything about anything like that, that's not me. Let me take a look-see. Yeah, that's not me.

Let me take a look-see.

I don't sell vagina. I'm sorry. This right here didn't— What you mean? Very, very confident. That show said QV, don't it? Please don't play with me on this television. That's crazy. Don't play with me on this TV, OK? Oh, no. Because you got 100 dicks in your phone. Uh-uh. You selling dicks? All right, cool. $1,000 a pop, like, if that's what you want to go with. This say $20.

Okay. 120. Okay. So these things— No, ma'am. So these are texts soliciting sex? Is that what these are? You tell.

DeAndre, so that's not you? Ma'am. That's not you? This man is talking to y'all. That's not you when you steal my phone all night, every night? No. I wake up and literally I have to have an alarm or something on and he's had my phone all night. Can I lick your booty? No.

What you got going? You already said it.

You already seen it. What you mean? Who this?

Is that him?

That is DeAndre.

Do you take her phone all night, DeAndre?

He does it all the time.

Dre, do you take her phone? I have before.

You do it all the time. That is you.

It ain't no regular thing though. She lying. No, girl. Man, who look like they shit? That is DeAndre. All right, so all I know now is that at the end of the day, we know that this is unhealthy. So y'all need to make a decision. So I know y'all keep saying there's longevity, we've been together for 10 years, but this relationship needs a peace break because all y'all doing is y'all not communicating honestly, y'all not talking honestly, you know what I mean? And so right now I don't have clear answers on anything. All I know is that at the end of the day that there's a child that needs co-parents to be healthy enough so that she's not affected by this. And if the mother's saying she's overwhelmed, if the father is out doing stuff, This just cheated on me September 21st.

Is that video September 21st? I'm so, we not even talking about right now. I'm so done with this. After 10 years you said you ain't.

Smart decision, smart decision, smart decision. Listen, you got all your answers now and you made the smartest decision right there.

I'm done with.

So you told my producer you feel like you're being played by her. Yes.

How? Because she sat in my face so long putting on this persona like she's just so innocent, this and that, but I've been with her for so long that I know the tricks and the trades of what she do and how she do it. Got it. Like, I'm not no dummy. I'm a college-educated student. I'm smart. I'm like Sherlock Holmes. I know how to play the rules.

You know what I mean? Got it.

She plays like, she puts on a persona to people to make it seem like I'm always the villain. Got it. When I'm not.

You see what I'm saying? Do you cheat?

I do. Yes. I do. But I'll be, but at least I'll be honest with her. That's the difference. I'll be honest with her when I do. I'll be honest when I cheat.

So I'm gonna ask you this. Do you think you put on personas as the victim?

What you mean though?

So do you think you're the victim in this situation?

Yeah. I do think I'm the victim because I didn't start cheating until she was cheating. I didn't start doing her wrong until.

Well, Alicia turned over her phone to our Unlock the Phone investigator. And Lawrence, you wanted to know if Alicia is communicating with any other men and if Alicia was sending any explicit photos to other men, right? That's what you wanna know? Yep. Lawrence, if these results come back that Alicia cheated, what will you do?

Honestly, I'm gonna just leave her. I mean, I don't wanna be with her anyway, but I kind of wanna make it work for my kids. You see what I'm saying? I wanna make it work for my kids, but if it do comes back that she did what she was doing, I'm good. I don't want the relationship. I don't want no part of the ties with her. We can take our kids or take one kid each and go our way or however she wanna do it.

I'm gonna ask you, I'm gonna ask you, if these results come back, he's already said he's cheated. If these results come back that he's still doing stuff, what are you gonna do?

I'll leave his ass. And I'm good. I don't want this anymore. If that's the case. Are you really? Yep. I'm done.

We are done. Yep. Okay. Okay. Well, I think it's time to unlock the phone. Alicia, we unlock your phone. Okay. Here we go. Lawrence, you wanna know if Alicia has been communicating with his relative. Alicia, you said you are not. My unlock the phone investigator searched your phone and found that she is telling the truth. She has not been in communication at all.

I told you, Karamo.

In any sexual nature, flirting nature, in any way with any one of your relatives, especially your brother, there's been nothing. Nothing at all. So, Des, I'm gonna be clear about this because with us and our Unlock the Phone investigator, we go back with even things that are deleted. So I wanna be clear about that. We have access up to even 5 years of things. You've been together for 8 years, you said it didn't start, so we have access. So in that time period, there has been no flirtatious, nothing sexual, nothing at all with any family member, particularly also your brother, nothing? I just wanna make sure that's clear. 'Cause you said you saw them, you gave him googly eyes, and now I'm confirming for you nothing at all. Okay. Lawrence wants to know if Alicia is communicating with any other men. Alicia says she is not. My Unlock the Phone investigator searched her apps and found that she is telling the truth. She has not communicated with any other man at all.

I told you so.

Lawrence, you wanna know I wanna know if Alysia has been sending any explicit photos to other men. Alysia says she is not. My Unlock the Phone investigator searched her DMs and found that she is telling the truth. She has not ever sent any photos.

You hear that?

So tell me, how do you feel? A little bit better. A little bit better? Why just a little bit?

Because that thought's still in my mind. But how can the thought—

hold on, but I wanna— but how can the thought be in your mind when we're telling you we've gone through everything, both in her phone and deleted, and there was nothing there? How is that that you can't believe her then? Because he's guilty. Like, what if that's a new phone?

You see what I'm saying?

So this is what you can't do. You can't say that this is the goal line to see if you're cheating and then change the goal line the goal line again. Because that's what he just did. Because that's an unfair game in a relationship because she's never gonna be able to keep up with that. This is her phone and she's done nothing. So how do you feel? Like— Do you feel like you owe her an apology? Not— Huh? That means a no. Yeah.

Well, I mean, yeah, a little bit.

Lawrence. Lawrence. Lawrence, we unlocked your phone. Alicia wants to know if Lawrence is communicating with a specific ex. Lawrence says he is not. My Unlock the Phone investigators searched his apps and found he is not telling the truth. Lawrence is still in contact with this specific woman. A woman from his past and he follows her also on Facebook and Snapchat. Alicia, you wanna know if Lawrence has been direct messaging any other women since their second child was born. He says he is not. My Unlock the Phone investigators searched his phone and found he is not telling the truth. In an exchange with a woman, she sent him a video of her taking a shower naked. Lawrence responded by telling her, Send me the bag. This is just recent, saying that he wants her to other sexual innuendos. This is the photo. Let me, all the sexual innuendos. Oh, that was recent.

Yeah, it was. Thanks. Okay.

Recent. Okay. Okay, we'll continue on. Okay. Alicia, you wanna know if Lawrence is talking to any other women? He says he is not. My Lux Phone investigator searched his texts and found, clearly we already know, he's not telling the truth. There's also some messages between you and Lawrence that I thought was very interesting of how he talks to you. My producers outside of the ones that we already know he's talking to other women, My investigator found this because this alarmed me. My investigator found this and texted me immediately and said, I need you to see this. He said that when you were pregnant, he sent you this text saying, I wish the baby in you would die and I don't want more kids. This is while you were pregnant, correct? Yep, with the girl. So with the— so with— hold on one second. With the baby in you? The child that you are saying you don't claim, knowing she has not cheated on you, you decide to tell this woman that you hope that your daughter that was in her belly would die. Well, is it my daughter though?

That's the thing, I wanna get a DNA test to make sure it's my daughter.

You are trifling and full of shit. Please get off my stage. I mean, you don't need to be here. You don't need to see nothing. He's tired. I am going to apologize to everyone at home because I try not to get out of character. I'm a professional. I try not to. But my butt is blowing. Like, for you to have been vindicated that you have done nothing, not a single one, but been a faithful, loving woman to this man. And I use that word man very loosely. And then to see texts where he has said to you with your daughter that he wished that baby would die inside of you, that he's below what I consider a man. I wanna tell you something because I was listening to your language. You said something when I asked you about why you staying in this, you said because you didn't have a father. And what I think you wanted to say was that I want him to be a dad figure for them. But what you said twice, which was a Freudian slip, is I want that dad figure for me. I want that dad figure from him. There's a little girl in you who had a broken home and is hoping that this man can fix that broken home you had. But I gotta tell you, and this is serious, this is not the man that's gonna fix that broken home. And what he's gonna do is he's going to do the same thing that happened to you to your children. And I want to ask you right now, do you want the pain that you're feeling that you don't deserve? Do you want your kids to feel You don't wanna feel that. I know you don't. I know you don't. This man sat here and played in your face and say, "If she does anything, I'm gonna leave her. I don't want her. I don't wanna be with her anyway. She can kick rocks." These were his words. You have to find the courage in you right now. And if you can't find that courage for yourself, you gotta find it for these little kids. This man is disrespecting you day in and day out. Day in and day out. Day in and day out, he's disrespecting you. He's gaslighting you. He's trying to manipulate you. And the reason he's isolating you from his family and isolating himself from his family is because he knows that his family's gonna tell you the truth. Do you have the resources to leave him?

Yeah, I do. Okay, good, good.