Did My Best Friend Sleep With My Man? | KARAMO

So Linda, tell me about your friendship with Natalie.

Well, Natalie and I have been best friends since the first day of high school.

Yeah.

When I was younger and she welcomed me into her home, my family went through some financial struggles. We were homeless living in a motel and Natalie's family kind of didn't want me to have to feel those pains, I guess, and they welcomed me in with open arms. We've been, We were just inseparable, I think, throughout our whole growing up until I moved to Oklahoma, she lives in California. Well, even throughout the years, when I was in Oklahoma, she always made herself a presence in my life, no matter what, she always found me if I changed my number or— Well, earlier this year, I lost a friend through a fentanyl overdose and I found him. So it was a very hard time for me, I kinda separated myself from the people that I care about, Natalie included. And finally, about a month ago, I decided, you know, I need my friend back. I need to make sure that the people around me are as strong as can be and that, you know, I felt alone, so I needed to feel her presence again. So my husband and I, we took a trip to California. I showed up at Natalie's house, you know, surprise, hey, I'm here. She wasn't there when I showed up. She was at work and her new boyfriend answered the door. Was polite. I told him, let her know that I came by or whatever. And when I finally found her, she was at work. I came to her house, I stayed with her, and it just kinda seemed like from the minute that I got there, the warm, open arms that I always got, the loving, connected conversation, everything that we used to have was kind of dead in the water. She would come home from work and go straight upstairs and be with her boyfriend and not talk to me. I'd be there cooking dinner and doing her son's hair and trying to do everything I could. And she would just kind of, oh, I'm on my way to work, and then bye, and just leave. Or she would come home and be like, oh, I'm going to go run errands with her new friend, who I feel like kind of took my place. I don't know what I did. And I just wanted to—

How long were you staying with him?

We were in California for about 3 weeks.

So it was 3 weeks.

Uh-huh.

OK. 3 weeks of her going out, doing her own thing, leaving you around, and you sort of hanging out with Lamar. Absolutely. Yeah.

I mean, and if not with Lamar, then I was just at the house either by myself or with her son.

Yeah, got it.

Makes sense.

All right, everyone, before we meet Natalie, take a look at this video.

Erlinda, the reason why I've been distant is because I feel like you've been sleeping with my man Lamar. So when you visited last month, you were braiding his hair, spending time while I'm at work. I wanna know why Lamar kept asking about you when you left. I've been cheated on before. I have women's intuition. I know what it feels like and something just ain't right anymore. I think you and Lamar slept together. Something is not right.

I would never.

Okay, well, do it when I'm there.

Do it when I'm there. You were never there. How am I gonna do something when you're there and you were never there?

I was there. I was upstairs. You could have been like, come downstairs, we're hanging out.

Why do I have to tell you to come downstairs? I just came from Oklahoma, 1,500 miles. You can come down the stairs. Well, I mean, let's be real.

Let's be real. I drove 1,500 miles. You can't walk 1,500 miles. You're just being serious?

Well, no, obviously I felt like you were doing something with my man. Why would I wanna be around you?

Natalie, I did shit with her too. You feel like I'm doing something with him?

You did this in high school, Erlinda.

I mean, I'm not a kid anymore. I'm not putting nothing on you, okay? Granted, I had a messed up past.

You and Ronnell always are cheating on each other, whatever the case may be, so I—

That's how you wanna throw it? Because me and Ronnell have problems now, I want your man?

Who knows?

Who knows? Wow, that is wild.

I wanna know from you, because you just brought up Ronnell, her man. From your perspective, what was their relationship like? What is it like?

At first, it was great. You know, and then after a while, he like, he had some like 6, he was putting her on a secret because he was married before.

Oh.

Yeah.

I think it's time that we meet him so that we can get his side of the story as well.

Yeah, bring him out.

So everyone, please bring Ronnell out. Everyone welcome Ronnell to the show. Ronnell, how's y'all's relationship? Is it good?

It's up and down.

Up and down.

You know, I can't say it's 100% good. I believe we're both going through things.

Well, infidelity would definitely do it to you. I don't. Oh, let me just say that.

Yeah, we will. Let's put it like this. Apparently I don't have a best friend or a great husband, but I'm here to hopefully make sure that we can leave here with an understanding, if nothing else. I'm serious.

Erlinda said that you cheated on her in the past. Is that true? True.

I take accountability for it. I don't run from it.

So why wouldn't she do that to me?

Were you ever suspicious, Rondell, of Erlinda and Lamar having any type of sexual or emotional relationship?

No, 'cause he wasn't there.

That's absurd.

He was never there. He was visiting his son. That was another thing.

Is Lamar here? Can we ask him? Where is he?

Well, the funny part is that we did ask Lamar to be here today and he declined, which is interesting because Natalie, you want us to unlock Erlinda's phone.

Oh, okay.

Yeah.

Now I get it now.

Yeah, so one of the things on the show, normally it's when relationships, we have partners who wanna unlock their phone. This time your friend wanted to unlock your phone. Yeah, and we tried to do the same for Lamar so that we could get his side as well because we wanna go through both phones. But again, he declined to be here. But he did agree after saying he couldn't unlock his phone, he couldn't be here, that he would join us remotely. So I think it's time to talk to Lamar now remotely. So everyone please, please welcome Lamar. Lamar, I wanna know, welcome to the show. How do you feel about what you just heard?

Yeah, Lamar, how do you feel?

Well Lamar, let me ask you point blank. Did you have any type of sexual relationship with Nally's best friend, Erlinda? No.

—does.

Well, why would you even let her braid your hair when I'm out there? I'm a cosmetologist, Natalie.

I do hair for a living.

Exactly. That's part of the truth. Let me say one thing.

Let me say one thing.

I'm trying to figure it out.

Well, you're trying to figure it out. So I think this is no better time than now for us to unlock the phones.

Oh.

Oh, wow. You know, Natalie, you asked us to unlock Erlinda's phone to find out if she cheated. And were in communications with your boyfriend Lamar.

Right, I wanna know if they even exchanged numbers. Okay.

Absolutely not. Well, Erlinda says she is not in communication any way. At all. We were checking her texts, her DMs, her apps, and even her emails. All right, my Unlock the Phone investigator, when it came to was she communicating with your boyfriend Lamar, we checked the texts and Erlinda, Is telling the truth. Thank you.

Not one time, never. I didn't even have his number in my phone.

I didn't even think we were friends on Facebook. My Unlock the Phone, well, we're going to that. My Unlock the Phone investigators searched your DMs. Yeah. Erlinda said she is not communicating.

And Erlinda is telling the truth. Thank you, thank you. 20 years, 20 years.

My Unlock the Phone investigators then searched all of your apps to see if you were communicating at all with Lamar. Herlinda is telling the truth. Thank you, thank you.

Now apologize.

Now we went through emails because it was important to go through emails.

One more, one more.

My microphone investigator searched through your entire emails to see if there was any communication. And again, Herlinda was telling the truth.

Thank you, apologize. Okay, okay, okay, okay, but I get it.

There was no evidence. But I still felt some way, I did.

I didn't—

Right, and I can understand that as a woman, but really, Natalie, really, you've known me how many—

I've never even been attracted to the same guys that you're attracted to. I would never hurt you like that. I would never want you to feel the feelings that I have felt from somebody else.

Yeah, I understand.

I do feel like because there is, I mean, that accusation is big. I do believe there's an apology that is owed. Can you give your friend that?

I apologize. I apologize to you and Lamar. Great. I'm glad that it didn't happen, but I'm just—

I understand your insecurities are coming out because the bond between you and Lamar is struggling right now. Yeah. But there's a bigger piece here that is at play, and it's because you said that she's been there for you, and I understand that for you it's been a one-sided relationship.

She hasn't been there for me.

I will tell you this. There is some valid points to her and I saw that you were arguing them back and being like, but I'm here, I don't like the call. You do need to show up for your friend. If you really believe this is your sister, you do owe her to show up for her in the way that she needs you to show up. So I do think you owe her that. And I'm sorry too.

I mean, I'm sorry. I didn't know that I was lacking in that area and I was probably being selfish.

I feel like I needed you too.

And I'm sorry. I feel like we're better than that. You should be able to tell me that.

Even if it has to be told in a text for me to get it, I'll still get it and I'll still, Tried to change it.

I've always tried to change it.

You know what I mean? I feel like you've made changes for me and I've made changes for you. I don't feel like you could read a text the way I feel.

Next time you really need her, she doesn't pick up the phone immediately, leave a voicemail. And now what you've done is you put it in her court to say, are you gonna show up for me as a friend? I needed you and now you've heard her. She needs to get on the phone. So if she hears you and she doesn't show up, now you know your friend is not gonna be there for you and it's fully gonna stay one-sided. And if she doesn't, if she does show up, now you can rebuild this bond. I'll do better. Yeah, she said she'll do better. Well, listen, Natalie, I appreciate you being here so much. And Lamar, I appreciate you being here. I'm glad we got clarity on that. I'm asking y'all to be excused because next you asked me to unlock your man's phone. Can I give him a hug real quick? Yeah, you can. Thank you. Thank you. I could see that there's issues in your relationship. You even expressed that there's something going on that you don't know how to meet what she needs. And Erlinda, you're also concerned about the relationship you have with your husband, Ronnell. Absolutely.

Why? Well, you know, we've been together for 14 years, you know, and we've had a lot of different situations, you know, infidelity, lies, just deceitfulness on his part. And I just wanna make sure that the person that he's presenting himself to be, that he is.

How many times has he cheated on you in the past? That's bringing these issues up.

I mean, I couldn't give you like a solid number, but it's, Probably been at least more than 5, probably 5 to 10. I don't know for sure.

Ronnell, are you cheating on her? No. Right now there's no cheating? I guess we'll see. Are you communicating with any other women? No. Not at all? No. Okay. What do you want to say to Erlinda right now?

I mean, I believe that, you know, I've been through everything with you. You know what I'm saying? I have done, I never knocked what I've done to you. I never said, oh, I didn't do that or anything like that. I take full responsibility, full accountability. I feel like that goes a long way.

I feel like— Can I stop you somewhere? Because I think a lot of men say this and I think there's a point of correction. A lot of men when they get caught cheating or when they are told, they say, well look, I took accountability. But the next step after accountability is actually direct action, which means that you change the behavior. Exactly. And so when the behavior doesn't change, it doesn't matter if you've taken accountability for your past. And it doesn't build the trust. It doesn't build the trust. Do you feel like, okay, I'm gonna ask you two sincere questions. I want you to be as honest as possible. As possible because I know after 14 years of being together with somebody, people change, they grow, their desires change. Two things. First, do you really believe in monogamy?

I mean, yes, yes.

Okay, I don't believe it. And what I was doing there, the reason what I was doing there, and I'm gonna be honest with you, and if you've ever watched this show, I've given both men and women opportunity to be honest. And then what I help them do is to navigate that conversation with their partner. What I was giving you there was an opportunity for you to be honest and transparent with her. So that I could help you navigate. That's what we're trying to do. Second question I had for you is, is there new sexual desires that you have or things that you're into, kinks, fetishes? We get older, we start liking different things that maybe there's conversations you haven't had with her.

But why? I tell you, you can tell me anything. We've done, we've been together how many years?

Why is there a fear of telling her about the things that you want or desire?

Because it gets used against me. Oh.

I don't think that that's true, Karamo. I don't use it against him. What I use against him is whenever I've dealt with the cheating and infidelities and something will happen that'll trigger that incident, even though it was 4 years ago, I just found the picture yesterday. So even though for you it was 4 years ago and you feel like you've been perfect for 4 years, I found the picture yesterday and the wound is still open. So he's like, oh, you throwing it in my face, you're throwing it in my face. No, honey, you're not changing it, so how am I gonna have the conversation?

Well, it's time to unlock Ronnell's phone right now. Orlynda, I know You wanted me to unlock Ronnell's phone to find out if Ronnell was on any dating apps. He says he is not. My unlock the phone investigator searched his apps and he is telling the truth. Erlinda wanted to know if Ronnell is paying for porn. My unlock the phone investigator searched his entire phone and He is not telling the truth. He is actively subscribed to OnlyFans. That's something that we're definitely gonna have to discuss.

I can't be a fan? I mean, my fan.

Can you only be my fan? All right, Herlinda also wants to know if Ronnell is communicating with any other women. He says he's not. My unlock the phone investigator searched and found 200 photos. These photos were screen grabs of different women and men and also two pics that were, that we had in the phone. We don't know if those were sent out. Are you serious?

Over 200 photos? Yes, yes, yes. I wanna know what kind first before I can really say anything.

The thing is, is he's not denying any of this.

I mean, and that's the thing is like, depending on what the photos are, like I don't have a problem with him looking at photos or doing what I feel like guys do, but I need to know what these photos are.

Are these other females that you know? Are these just random?

What is going on that you feel the need to keep this stuff in your pocket at all times, essentially? What's the reason?

It's definitely not cheating to me on that part. It's definitely not cheating. I feel like it's not.

Do you feel like from what you heard today that he's cheating?

I don't, based on the information, I don't think that he's cheating. I think that, you know, he may have an issue as far as the porn situation, but I don't think that he's actively doing the things that he used to do.

Great, okay, perfect. I encourage what y'all to do here is to start more communication about this stuff. Brother, a lot of this is, I'm gonna tell you right now, is gonna start on you. And I get it, she's going through her thing, so you feel scared, you don't want to, you don't wanna upset her more, you don't wanna have the things., but y'all gonna be in this pattern and it's gonna be destructive and it's gonna get worse if you can't be honest with her.

I'm sorry. Good. I'm sorry.

I agreed to get help. I appreciate that. I appreciate that. All right everyone, well listen, stay with us friends. We'll be right back with more. I wish y'all the best of luck. Want more unlocked phones, DNA reveals, and family drama? Then make sure you're subscribed to the Karamo Show YouTube.