Engagements Gone Wrong | KARAMO

So he still wants you?

Definitely do.

Have your feelings fully changed for him? Really, in all sincerity?

Yes, they have.

Fully?

Yes.

Okay.

I feel like—

You said yes like you tried to convince me.

No, no, my feelings have changed.

Okay. I got a question for y'all. How old are both of you? 20. You're 20 years old? Okay.

I'm 25.

You're 25. Got it. 25. All right, so how does Trey keep you from seeing your best friend?

He would plan something on a date I supposed to see my best friend. So he would get us to do something together instead of me going to see my best friend.

A lot of that is because there's a lot of planning y'all do that I'm not aware of. And then the second one, it'd be like, one of those things where my trust wasn't fully still there. You know, it's like after you see something like that and then you wanna go hang with another dude by yourself, it's like it kind of puts up in the air like, am I gonna allow that? Do you understand that about like why?

Yeah, I wouldn't allow that. You ain't give me a chance to tell you.

Oh, because he found it.

Right, before I got to say something.

He should've given you a chance to tell you. But what about the second guy?

I was just talking to him 'cause I was bored. I mean, that was just conversation.

'Cause you're bored.

Yeah.

So in your opinion, what do you think that is the root issue of your relationship?

I think he gets jealous because I talk to other guys. I think he just wants me to himself and don't want me talking to nobody.

So you think root issue is jealousy?

Yeah.

And where do you think the jealousy started? Why do you think it started?

'Cause the messages.

Jealousy could play a part, I will admit to that. Jealousy could, I could see myself getting jealous. But it's one of those things I wanna make sure like she's secure. Like I said, she's a good woman. And when you see messages or you find stuff like that and you see her engage back where you don't see nothing saying, "Hey, you know, my boyfriend wouldn't like this. You know, hey, stop." Why haven't you said that? You said it's 'cause I was bored, but that's not really a valid reason.

But people know I'm in a relationship, so I don't think I should have to tell them that.

In a man's head, it's like when you see multiple text messages saying, "Oh, you making me horny. Are you doing this?" Like, what are you doing to make them horny? You know what I'm saying? So it's like one of those things where I'm like— That's not just a man's head, that's any human being's head. If you see your partner talking to somebody else. Olivia, how is Trey with your kids?

He is great with the kids. They love him. So he provides for us. Anything we need, he'll get it.

Is that what you like most about him, that he's a provider?

Yeah, I like that he has a connection with my kids, yeah.

Got it. Well, I wanna hear from my friends in the audience and see, does anybody have an opinion on what you're hearing on this stage? What are your thoughts? Lil bro, that's not player. You don't change the phone, you change the girl. You understand? Let me tell you one thing. Like the one who like you, not the one you like. You won't put up with this stuff and you too young to get married. So the answer's no and nah. Peace. I think every relationship goes through its bad times. No relationship is perfect. No relationship, You can jump in another relationship tomorrow and you're gonna have problems in that relationship. It's about, to me, it's about how you get through those problems. What are you doing to go through? Are you going to counseling together? What are you, you know, are you reaching out? What are you doing, you know, to help keep your relationship strong? If you, you know, you look at it in a bigger picture, there's technically 3 kids involved, my 1, her 2, you know, this is a big family that's going in within just 5 months. So it's like, you know, not only do we want, answers or help, you know, we want to think what's best for us, what's best for our family. I hear it. Okay, I got it. I understand. All right, so with that being said, I just wanted to tell you and talk to you. You know that I love you. This wasn't just, you know, something just, oh, put us out there for embarrassment, anything like that. This was just something to at least me wanting to be with you. Hold on, if you about to do what I think you about to do, don't. Don't do it. Don't do it. Don't do it. Don't do it. She's smiling. Don't, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. This ain't the moment. I love love on my stage. I love it. But I'm not gonna do that to you right now. So go ahead, turn back around. Here we go, young brother.

Okay.

I saw what was going on. I saw it was going, I can assume what you're about to do. Were you about to do what I think you're about to do?

What?

Were you about to try to propose? Oh. Yes, okay, good. Yeah, you play too much. Okay, we gonna stop. We gonna stop that right there, okay? Listen, I appreciate and I love the fact that you want love so much. And I appreciate that you found somebody who you do love. But this is not the love that deserves a title of marriage. And going to that next level. Where you're at right now, I didn't say it can't happen in the future, but y'all ain't there yet, okay?

Why you think that?

Girl. Girl, you really asking me that question? Well, first of all, it's only been for 5 months, so let's start there.

Okay.

5 months. Secondly, within 5 months, he's already caught you having interactions with other men twice that were sexual in nature. And your only excuse to that is, "Well, it don't matter. I don't think he should let me tell him." Those were your words. You brushed it off as if nothing. And then you kept—

No, but I didn't 'cause I actually cut them off.

So I'm glad that you cut them off now. Okay? But for you, I'm hearing, and I'm glad that I finally got that last bit of what happened in your childhood. And I'm so sorry. You're trying to create a life that you weren't able to have. But rushing to try to get it and trying to make this happen is not healthy for you. It's not healthy for her either. Until you heal the family that you were born into, and you haven't yet, until you heal the pain you had from that, you can't keep trying to build these families everywhere you go because they're all gonna fall apart. There's gonna be so much time for you to get that family and to get the people you love and get this wife and these things. And it may be you. It ain't you right now though. I can tell you that much. When you woman up, You gonna know when a man texts you to say, "Hey, don't text me no more. I got a man over here that loves me and loves my kids." And you're not gonna do anything to damage that. You ain't there yet. And you're not there yet because you probably have your own issues. You probably have your own things that's going on. So you know this is easy right here. You know he loves you. And so it's easy, it's comforting. It's like, "Oh my gosh." Well, let me tell you something. I can tell in years from now, you gonna resent this. I already know it because again, any woman who really was valuing what he's trying to bring to the table would the minute a man text from my past that you said you're not into anymore, you'd have been like block, delete. He wouldn't have to tell you. You would've did it. He's taking care of you, right? He came to your rescue, right? No? Did he not come to your rescue?

I feel like when—

Did he not come to your rescue? It's just a yes or no question. Did he come to your rescue when you were in a car accident? Yeah, he was there. Is he the one working and paying the bills? He was, yeah. Is he the one working and paying the bills?

Yeah.

Okay, great. So everything we're saying. So of course, yes, you're gonna take all those things. Any person who's in a situation where they're a single mother would take all of those things. But a woman who's going to value those things would understand not to do anything to jeopardize it. And you're not there yet. And that's why y'all think you're married.

I feel like that was the beginning of the relationship.

I just take a deep breath on that because I want you to find love and I want you to have what you want. But when you say things like the beginning of the relationship, girl, you still in the beginning of the relationship. It's 5 months. We're not talking about 10 years from now. We're not talking about 10 years. We're not talking about y'all together 3 years. It's 5 months. You in the beginning and you already showed your cards. That's why I can't let him sit here and propose to you.

Okay. Mm-hmm.

Now, you go home and you start to say, let me do what I gotta do. You start to show him that I'm going to not be around these men. I'm not gonna talk to these men. You're gonna show him you can value him. Maybe in a year or two, yes, maybe this could be the one. But while she's doing that, if she can do that, you need to be working on yourself. And the first thing you need to do is you need to be settled with this situation over here with this other woman with your child. Get that straight before you try to bring anybody else in. I will tell you this much though, take the name off the birth certificate right now. Take it off. In 2 years, if y'all are still together and in a healthy relationship, put it back on. But not in 5 months. Don't ever do that again. Take it off right now. And I'm serious. And not just for you. Again, you as a woman shouldn't want his name on your child's birth certificate until you know y'all together. Until you know you're secure because you don't need to have that explanation with your child later on of like, "Mom, why is this man's name on my birth certificate? Why is this man, what's going on?" Because then she's gonna start questioning you or this child's gonna start questioning you. You don't want that either. Don't do that to your child. Take the name off the birth certificate. I know the process, it's possible. You said earlier, "I internalize why me? Is it me that's boring?" Those were your words. About her cheating. And those words are the direct response of a kid that has been abandoned and has not gotten the family structure he deserved. So you gotta challenge those type of things. You shouldn't ever be questioning if someone else's negative behavior is because of you. Her negative behavior is because of her. Your father's negative behavior was because of him. The family unit you didn't get was because of the adults. None of it was about you. I understand. Let her do the work. Do the work on yourself and then y'all can figure out where y'all go from here. You got it? Yeah. I wish y'all the best of luck.

I do security.

Yeah.

During my course, I got put in Quincy's building. I was working there, then all of a sudden, I was, well, I seen him, you know what I mean? Like, I was just like, he different. He don't look like the rest of the people in this building. Like, you know what I mean? So I was working and then one day he just walked up to me. Hey, how you doing? He was like, what's your name? I was like, Tequila. He was like, you got a man? I said no, which I didn't.

Yeah.

You know what I mean? I had a hump buddy.

I ain't had no man though.

Yeah. So we kicked it off from that point.

And how was it in the beginning? Was it good?

It was awesome. It was like I had a feeling that came. Like when I met him, I was just like, dang, it's something different about him. And I was willing to explore it. Explore that, you know what I mean? So long story short, me and Quincy started talking, which turned into immediately dating in August.

And then he proposed in one month.

He proposed in two weeks, actually.

Two weeks. Wow.

I was holding it like, whoa.

Yeah. And you're happy because you told my producers you thought you'd never get married.

I told them that I would never get married. I've been proposed to multiple times, but I've never took it. I'm like, man, get out here. I ain't marrying nobody.

So then what made you say yes to Quincy?

I don't know. It was just a different feeling that he gave me when I met him.

So when did the cheating accusations start?

A week.

A week?

Because let me tell you this, Karamo.

Yeah.

My little fling buddy, which I didn't know, like when I, my fling buddy was his cousin. But I was with his cousin for 4 years. I wasn't with him, but that's been my fling for 4 years.

Did you know they were cousins when you met him? No. Okay, you didn't know.

I went to a Halloween party. And the only reason I was at the party is because of my fling's mom. I cooked a lot of the food and I told her I wasn't gonna come. She said, girl, you cooked all this food, you better be there. It's a Halloween slash birthday party. So I just went just for her. My fling was there with his girlfriend, which they all, we all know each other. I be at their house. It ain't like it's no, you know.

It's what it was.

I'm a realist.

It wasn't intentional that you just feel it.

It was never.

It was like, I didn't know that that was your cousin.

It was never intentional.

And you and Quincy moved fast.

Real fast.

Yeah, so it wasn't even time, like you had time to be like, oh my gosh, I just realized it's your cousin, let me tell you. You just said no.

And that was that.

So have you ever cheated on Quincy after that?

Never, never, never. I only known the boy 6 months, he ain't even given me a chance to cheat.

Please welcome Quincy to the show. Hey, how you doing? Hey, how's it going? Welcome to the show, sir.

All right.

Good job. Take a seat. Nice to meet you, sir. So you heard what Tequila had to say backstage. What do you think?

You know, I'm tired of the lies and you know, when my mother asked her a question about a family member, she said— She didn't ask me a question, Quincy. She said, I'm talking. She ain't ask me no questions though, don't lie. She asked, do you know this certain person? This is our family. No, she didn't. She claimed she didn't know this person. Ooh, you a liar. But later down, it came out that she was dating the person my mother ex's son, which is my cousin.

Okay. So you think that's how she lied to you? No. Because that's not her recollection of the story.

No, it's not.

So, but how do you also say she's manipulating you? How?

It's not. Because it was before my time. It didn't really matter 'cause she stated they wasn't in a relationship But just dillin' around.

So if she said that they weren't in a relationship and it was before your time, why do you feel some ways about it? And I'm sincerely asking.

Insecure. It wasn't nothing to hide. You should have a woman. He wants me to go and tell every dude that I've talked to, "Oh, I'm with him now." Is that what you wanted?

Do you want us to address it?

No, it wasn't like that.

Okay, tell me what you want.

It goes like this. I wish my phone was out here. I deleted all the women numbers out my phone 'cause I could have kept my women too if it was like that. That's your, you all got friends, that's your friends? They not friends if you had sex with 'em and in a relationship with 'em. That's different. So you telling me everybody that you deal with that you gotta be hateful and just deep in despise when you get out, when you're not dealing with them because you dealt with them, you shouldn't be friends with them no more? That's grown women stuff. Why you choose all the men you dated and had sex with to be your friends? How do you know who I had sex with, Quincy? Because you told me. Who do I have sex with, Quincy? Who has a key to my house, Quincy? It's not about it, Karamo.

Have you heard other rumors about me?

You go out and do your thing. You not that stupid. Boy, you stupid.

Have you heard other rumors about the Karamo situation?

You with me every day with your little flamboyant ass. Oh, you get missing too now.

Okay.

You get missing. Where I get missing?

When we argue?

You get missing for hours. And I be home. You get missing for hours. Stop lying. Boy, I wish you could have a thing that's every time a lie, they buzz. You know what I'm saying? Well, it's like this. Like real stuff. Something should buzz in his booty. Just like that.

Well, listen, I wanna know, what else do you think she's lying about?

It's been situations where guys, a guy came to the house. And I let him in, and what did I tell you? Hold on, I'm talking. Did I tell you who he was? He's talking to me, not you. Did I tell you who he was? He's talking to me. See, that's why you go corny. That's why we can't be together, 'cause your mouth. No, we can't be together 'cause you're insecure, gaslighting, manipulating, narcissistic person.

Okay, Karamo, yes, uh-huh, come on, talk to me.

A guy came to the house, right? First, this my son's uncle. So I see his face, I start laughing 'cause I know him. So he came in, they talking back and forth and this and that. So then I said, "Man, do you know me? I'm from such and such." He said, "Oh, my bad." So the first thing came out her mouth, "I ain't fuck him." You lying.

So when I look, I said, "Well, ain't nobody ask that question." So do you not like her having male friends?

Nope.

What is your problem with that?

Insecure. I don't got no problem with that, but why you choose all the men you had sex with and was in a relationship with to be your friends?

Who did I have sex with?

You saying these your friends now 'cause I deleted all my women friends.

So do you think she should be deleting all her friends?

No.

Her male friends?

If you had sex with 'em and was in a relationship with 'em, Okay. What you holding on for?

Okay. We're actually gonna be unlocking both of your phones right now. Why you put your hand in the Bible and you need to be praying. So Quincy, we're gonna go ahead and unlock your phone first. When it came to apps and you talking to anyone, we did found zero results. When it came to text messages, we found zero results. When it came to DMs, we found zero results. And when it came to photos, we found zero results. So from what we have found, you have been faithful in your relationship.

I ain't hiding nothing.

So Tequila, we went through your phone as well. So when it came through text messages, there was a text exchange between you and his cousin, but it was completely platonic.

Yes.

Completely platonic.

Yes.

Now when it came to photos, we went through your phone and there was several photos in your phone There was 4 different photos in your phone in the last 6 months of different women. We didn't see any text messages with them. They were in lingerie and in seductive poses. Can I see the photos? I guess so, this one. Where?

She a good actress. Where in lingerie? See, this is what I was telling you. Let me show 'cause I ain't in my phone. This is what I was trying to tell you. Oh, this is before him.

Okay.

What you talking about? This is my, this is my. Man, so what are you talking about?

Okay.

Try me again. Man, I ain't come here for all this, man.

Okay.

I told you all these lies, she gotta excuse me.

We have one last thing, one last thing. You need to take a seat for this one because this was the most important one. So I went back and looked at the text between you two and they were nasty, mean, and disrespectful in nature. I wanna go and pull up the text message that I found.

Who are you talking about? I thought you was gonna find out who was in the room.

So you're a liar, kick rocks, I hope you die.

Me, me.

Yes, I get it. You're just insecure, bitch ass. So when I see these type of messages, I just think there's so much hurt and disrespect here. We obviously see this is toxic in nature. Your worst fear happened when you opened up to this man who you loved and that's why you're triggered. I understand where the abusive language comes on. —right.

It's not.

The thing is that I know about this is that even though the communication, the language is very disrespectful, she has been upfront to you. And I think that the—

She ain't been upfront.

I went to the phone, we went to the phone. And so the things that you were concerned about and things you weren't concerned about, we searched for. There was no other men that she was talking to. There was no interactions with guys that were sexual in any way.

Did she bring two phones or one phone? Two. Two or one? And one is a game phone. It's not even on, Karamo. He think it's on because you know when you got— When you're a kid. Yeah, social media sucks. You know when your kids call you and then it rings, you could do that, what is it, Google? Sure.

You can see it.

But this is fake.

I got my phone synced. So whenever my phone rings on my regular phone, it'll ring to my game phone.

He swear it's two phones.

Are you trying to end this relationship or are you trying to stay? Because either ways. I'm done with it.

Bye. Bye. You look better gone. Tell him to get my ring back. He's— this is why, listen, this is why I think—

No, because I wanna take a moment because even though this is, 'cause I brought up that line for you for a reason because I know you would've had the strength to leave this. I already know you did, but you opened yourself up and I know women like you who are very strong and have to do it on their own.

And I'm sorry. I'm in college. Yeah. I got 3 kids, 3 grandkids. Yeah. I'm 46 years old. I beat cancer. I just wanna enjoy life. I get it. And I can't do it with him 'cause he's, Too busy worried about other people who not fucking involved. Oh, did you tell my cousin that we're dating? I don't have to.

But this is what I want you to know.

We're not in a relationship.

This is what I want you to know because I understand the things you're going through, but what I want to leave you with personally is that I'm sorry that you got into a relationship that couldn't give you what you want, especially when you opened up and were vulnerable for the first time. Because I know how hard that can be when you've had to have a wall up and had to guard yourself and had to protect yourself your entire life. And you give yourself, and at that moment, someone then betrays you. You've admitted you have a long history of cheating, right?

Yeah, I do, because I've never been happy. I've never been satisfied with the woman, and I've just always been a playboy. I've just always been running around hollering at every chick, and every chick lets me do, like, I've never had a chick that I had to go more than one date and have sex with.

So what do you mean by you get it your way? 'Cause you told my producers that, you get it your way.

Well, because I'll meet a chick, I'll pick her up, and by the end of the night she's in my bed.

Reggie, you are married now, so. Yes, I am married.

I mean, that was a mistake. I got married honestly to get away from my baby mama. So I actually just eloped and jumped in with the other chick, not realizing that it's hard to get unmarried.

It's not as easy. You can't just be like, You're like, "All right, I'm done." You have to go and get paperwork done. So when was the last time you were intimate with one of your exes?

The last time would probably be last year when we first got back together.

So you say April 2022 is when you two got back together?

Yeah, somewhere around that time. I take notes.

So April 2022 was the last time y'all got together? Yeah. Okay. Just making sure, we gotta track dates here. We coming for facts. Do you struggle with staying committed to women?

I don't struggle staying committed to women. Basically what it is is I have a problem because I think everybody else has the opportunity to cheat like I do. I'd rather cheat first. Or I'd rather break up and then cheat and then try to get back together.

Do you really wanna get married to Cherish?

Yeah, I do. Why? Because I love her. She's like, she's— Do you love her? Yeah, I do. I'm ready to settle down. I'm ready to be committed to one woman. I'm ready to show a woman that I can be faithful. Have I showed you that I'll be a good wife to you? Honestly, have I been there for you? Oh, you know.

Oh, shit. She brought you food at work in the middle of the night while you was on the phone with your ex. I think she showed you a little something.

She's not the only one that can bring me food at night though. That's normal. That's normal? There's a million other yous that can bring me food. So why do you wanna marry me then? Because I love who you are. I love you. But there's a million other me's. No, there's a, I mean, it's a possibility.

Well, when we tried to reach out to your exes, you admitted to producers that you didn't want to involve them because you were involved with all three women at the same time. Can you explain what you meant by that? All three.

Well, I mean, oh wow, you don't have to cry. Yeah, I wasn't really involved with all three because basically it was like the end of a relationship branched in with the beginning of another relationship. Like I wasn't done with one woman while I was getting to starting to talk to the next woman for the next relationship. So are you really sure that you wanna be in a relationship with me? Yeah, I am. But why? Really?

I mean, you don't love me. I'm gonna tell you the biggest thing that I'm gonna be honest with you outside of even the cheating allegations that hurt me for you is you saying to a woman, "There's a million other yous." How can you say to a woman you wanna marry, "There's a million other yous"? If there's a million other hers, then why is she special to believe that she's the one?

Because I wanna take the chance with her. Like, I can pick any woman to take a chance with. There's a million women in this world. You can't pick and decide which one is the perfect one. You don't know. You can jump in and all you have is the first shot. You're about perfect and I choose you every day. There ain't no other me. Are you? There's not another me. I wanna ask you something.

Do you know that she has a million choices too?

Yeah, I do. And I tell her that all the time. Like, I don't— No, I don't. They don't approach me. I tell her she can do whatever she want. I make sure that I shut that down. Don't come talk to me. But she tells me, no, I'm not doing nothing. But I'm not looking through her phone. I don't have— I'm not creating all of this drama.

Well, let me tell you this, before I unlock your phone, because the phone is what you want so that you can have answers. If we get answers in this phone that upset you or not what you want, what are you gonna do?

We have to, I can't be with him anymore. He can think I'm cheating all he wants 'cause I'm not. It is what it is at this point. Like he's gonna believe what he wants to believe, but I'm not cheating. So that's the main part of it. So why would I continue to subject myself to being cheated on and be accused of being a cheater? Okay.

Well, this is where the truth comes out. Karamo, you told, you told Mom, by Unlock the Phone investigators that you want to know the following things. I have a question though. Sure.

Both phones were supposed to be unlocked.

Did you wanna unlock your phone?

I did. Randomly, her phone broke the day before we came here. It didn't randomly break. So who seems like they're hiding something? My phone didn't randomly break. Who's hiding what? I dropped it. I beat it up. And then you came out here from only my phone being locked. Now when I pass this, I'ma still have a wonder of what she's doing.

So Cherish, you want my unlock the phone investigators to find out if Reggie is still involved with a specific ex. Reggie, you denied it. My unlock the phone investigators searched Reggie's apps and he is not telling the truth. We found a deleted app with her contact info. It was active from June 2022 to February 2023. All right, Cherish, you want to know if Reggie is still in communication with his wife. Reggie says he is not. My unlock the phone investigator searched your texts, Reggie, and you are not telling the truth. There's an evidence bag right here.

Everything on there she knows about, so.

Okay. Well, I mean, I can only go through what it is and what she asked for. Right. So we have highlighted communications. So the green is him. He said, "I'm trying to take you out tonight for our anniversary." Did you know that he was trying to take her out for the anniversary? You did know that. He also asked for her to send him a picture of her ass. You knew this? Mm-hmm. He then said, "I'll send you a photo of my..." Uh-huh. Then he also said, "I want my wife back." She sent that message. You sent the message saying, "I want my wife back"?

From my phone. Yeah, I did do that one.

Why did you do that?

Because I feel like he do wanna be with her and I wanted to see what she would say back. Okay.

So were you the also one saying that you would send Oh no, I didn't say, I didn't do that part.

No, that was me, but we already got past that, so it can't be double jeopardy. Okay.

It can't? This ain't a court of law. He feels like it. Okay.

But what about her phone? Okay.

We got both. Hold on, we're not done yet. We're not done with yours. Okay. All right, so we got those. So Cherish, you also want to know if Reggie is having inappropriate communications with any other women. Reggie claims he is not. My unlock the phone investigator searched Reggie's text and Reggie was not telling the truth. Oh my God. We have another bag. Can I see it please with more texts? Thank you. So this is from a woman. There is no contact in it, but just the number. It was deleted. And we found it through it and it comes from a 310 number. It says, "You give me some car sex?" It says, "Yes." Do you know about this? It says, "We the other night on the Northeast." Oh!

Who is that, Reggie? I don't know. We have to go in. We'll go in and look at it and we'll see.

Do you know about that? When was that and when was this text sent? And October 14th. Of last year? Mm-hmm. Of 2022.

And we got together April. No, it was— October 14th.

So you got together April.

October 14th. I was buying your son birthday decorations at that point. So what you mean? I was buying your son— And we had broke up at that time. No, we hadn't. Yes, we did. We didn't break up until your birthday. Birthday. That was when you left, and you were supposed to— and it was only supposed to be— and then you lied about that. That's— that got to be who that is. That's not who— so that was— so that's who you had sex with in the car? I don't remember. Northeast on October 14th? I don't remember. Is that who— is that where— is that where you were when I— when I looked in your— when I looked and I seen your location was at that spot? So— but you were at the sex store, remember? I looked at your—

I looked at your— your location.

I was not at no sex store. Yes, you were. That's where you Oh my God. Okay, all right, whatever.

So you got information. You know that there's been relationships, some you said y'all talked about, some that you're not aware of. At the end of the day, he is still married. You getting caught up in drama. The choice is yours. You said to me, and these are your words, if I find out stuff I didn't know, I'm done because I know my worth.

We started talking back in 2014. So we've been together for 10 years. I didn't know he had a girl at the time. Couple girls. I had people inboxing me. I'm like, who the hell is this? Found out it was his baby mama. One of 'em. And—

So he didn't tell you he had kids?

He said he had one. Okay. One kid. Okay. We stopped talking, but then he came back into contacting me. Like low key, I knew he probably was still talking to people. I would go through his phone and find it, kick him out, and then I'll get like 100 phone calls, 100 texts, didn't answer.

And then you'd take him back? I did. And this is 10 years y'all been together now? Yes. And all of this was in the first year? No, the first 5 years. 5 years. So how often do you say you kick him out? Like?

Every other day. Every other day, get the hell out.

So why do you believe he's cheating again? Do you have any proof?

I don't have proof, but you're accusing me every other day I'm doing something. Yeah. So if you're accusing me, you're doing something. Whenever time we fought, I would go on his phone and find that he would download the dating sites, go on there, talk to a couple people, and then delete it. Got it. So I end up going back on there, sign him in, and read the messages, and then go back and delete it back like I didn't even go on there. Screenshot. So I can have it in my phone. Got it. So I could show him that I have it.

And what does he say?

Oh, that was, we was fighting. Okay.

We fight all the time. So when you fight, you kick him out, but you're not breaking up?

I say we over, but he says we're not. Okay. But I do, I love him. We have a 6-year-old. You only have one child together? One child, yes.

Is he a good father? He's a great father. Okay, what's on the line if you find out that he's still cheating?

Oh, his ass is staying here in Connecticut. I'm going back to Michigan. Okay.

But lemme tell y'all something. The only reason I'm not clapping for that is 'cause she just told y'all she kick him out every other day. So that ain't no real punishment. Like, okay, he's staying here. He just gonna fly back home and you gonna let him back in? No, I won't. What would make this different though that you would do it?

Because he keeps saying that he's not doing it. So this is really it.

If you find out you're done. I'm done. All right. Well, I wanna meet Anquan and hear his side of this story. So everyone please welcome Anquan to the show. Nice to meet you. So I gotta ask you, Anquan, what you gotta say about what you heard? She's a bully. She's a bully? She's a bully. Okay. Now I will admit, like, the beginning of our relationship, it was pretty rocky. I was doing my own little thing or whatever, but once she came to me told me that she was pregnant with my daughter, like, I completely did a 360. And ever since then, like— No, you didn't. If you did a 360, that mean you doing the same BS. No, no, no, no, no, not at all, not at all, not at all. So you did a whole 360? Whole 360. Whole?

So you wasn't talking no bitches?

Nope. I know. Nope. Okay. No, I'm aware. You told my producers that, um, you She cheats and deletes. It seems like 'cause she's always on her phone. She sleeps with her phone under her pillow. I mean, all type of crazy stuff, literally. She told us earlier that she's literally found stuff on your phone from the apps you've been on talking to girls. From when I used to go on there?

Yes, she have. No, just recently, couple months ago.

Which one was that? Which one was that?

There was— I don't know if asking that question helps the case.

No, but I'm saying because I could admit I used to be on them. But you know, I know for a fact I got off of them also. So none now, okay. Exactly. How did you feel when she took her engagement ring off? Oh, I was hurt. I was hurt. Yeah. Something gotta change with us in order for us to move forward. 'Cause right now it's just pretty much like, I feel like we're at a standstill. I gotta ask you directly, are you cheating on her? No, no. Okay. Do you still want to marry her? I do. So you wanted her to unlock her phone as well? Oh yes. And so you turned over your phone to my unlock the phone investigator. I sure did. Well, I want to unlock these phones because we need to get to the truth of this matter.

Shanine, we gonna start with your phone.

Okay. We unlocked your phone. All right, so Anquan, you wanna know who is calling Shanine from two specific numbers. Shanine says it's no one. My unlock the phone investigator searched her contacts and found that Shanine is not telling the truth. One of the numbers in Shanice's contacts is under a specific guy's name.

That's my brother.

That is? Okay. Yes. Okay. We gotta just find it. You know, you gotta get investigation. I don't know your whole life. So we find it. Okay, well then there we go. That's good, that's good. Anquan, you wanna know if Shanice is communicating with any men via apps. She says she is not. My Unlock the Phone investigator searched her apps and found She's telling the truth. Good job. Anquan, you wanna know if Shanine is communicating with any of her exes. She says she is not. My Unlock the Phone investigator searched her text messages and found she is telling the truth. Told you, told you. However, I will tell you this. My investigator made a note to tell me that he found 37,620 deleted texts from the last 30 days. Yeah. But why would you delete that many texts?

Because we end up getting new numbers. So 3 and a half years, I used to zip out cars. So most of all mine was the customers. You can go in there and go, you can read. I wasn't saying anything. So it's a lot of them was my customers.

That's for you to explain to him, not me.

I don't gotta explain nothing, he's seen it.

Okay, so you know that, that those messages are from Well, some of them, yes, yes, some of them, yes. $37,000? Well, I'm going to say $37,000. Yeah, I'm going to say that. But yeah, I ain't going to say $37,000.

I sell cars. OK, cool. I talk to customers. I got to make that money.

All right, I'm with it. All right. All right, well, Equan, we unlocked your phone. You ready? Yep. Shanine, you wanna know if Anquan is meeting with women online. Anquan says he is not. That's right. Mindlocked on Phone investigators searched his apps and found that Anquan is not telling the truth. I'm not? He has 10 dating apps downloaded on his phone. SayHi, TextMe, Enterprise Dating, Tinder, POF, Tango, MeetMe, OKCupid, and Meetup. All the old ones. The old ones. Like when you download on the phone, it shows what you downloaded on the phone.

Yeah, I knew some of them that were on there.

Those are old.

That's the ones that I read You did, went in there and checked the messages.

Okay, we're just letting you know. Those are all of them? Yeah, those are all of them. Check of them? Really? Shanine, you wanna know if Anquan is communicating with a specific woman. Anquan says he's not. My unlock the phone investigator searched his calls and found that Anquan is not telling the truth. My investigator found 45 deleted calls he made to this woman. To who? What's the number? I don't know the woman that she, We can't say her name. Is it like recently or older? Talk to her. 'Cause if it's older, then yeah, that understandable. Oh yeah, I'm gonna talk to her. Yeah, she blocked and everything, yeah. We just found 45 deleted calls you made to her. 45? Yeah, recently.

Does it show the dates? Recently? Oh, recently.

Recently? This is what we're looking for. 'Cause like she's blocked on my social media apps. This is search calls. Oh, search calls? I don't even call her. And she's blocked on my phone. Okay. Shanine, you wanna know if Anquan has been texting the same woman. Anquan says he has not. My unlock the phone investigator found that Anquan is not telling the truth. My investigator searched Anquan's texts and found 97 deleted texts between Anquan and this woman. Can I see that, Rob? Thank you. I see it. Show me. I wanna see this one. Oh, really? Yeah, I wanna see this one.

Thank you, sir. I told you delete shit. I told you.

Who's the woman? No, it wasn't shit.

It was a whole different person.

Oh. This is shit says, you right, maybe it's too much for now. I love sex, so it's difficult. And I showed the man I'm fucking how much I enjoy him. I could love. I love that. Yeah, that's it. That's old. Yeah, that's old. Yeah, that's old.

I knew about that one. That's when he got busted in the face with the Yeah, that's old.

Yeah. Okay. Well, I say, yeah, I don't, yeah, me and don't associate unless it's for the kids. This Tuesday at 10:09.

Go ahead and I'll tell you what Tuesday is.

Yeah, I can tell you too.

I'll tell you what Tuesday is.

Hey, you can look at it. Oh, that's old too. That's old too. That's old. That's old.

This is old. This is old. Non-toothed hoe. Yep, I know about that one. He got packed up, kicked the fuck out too. Yeah, these are old. These are like a year old.

Yeah, like I don't do nothing. I'm a good boy.

No, honey, I'm a good girl.

So a year ago you were still up to doing stuff? And then you said how many months ago you found him talking to his child's mother? A few months ago. Last year. So he might be fiancé, but you know he's engaged with other people, clearly. You already know that. You've been knowing it. I just don't understand why you wanna continue to stay in this. I think you personally enjoy this.

Who would enjoy this getting hurt?

The same person that's gonna kick him out, take him back, kick him out, take him back, kick him out, take him back.

He's right, he's right. Told me that he wants to be with me, he wants to marry me, he would've never put this ring on my finger.

Oh. When did he ask you to marry him?

About a month and a half ago.

A month and a half ago? Mm-hmm.

And— We actually have a date set to get married.

So I'm gonna ask you a legitimate question, and this is no judgment, this is for me to understand facts. If you know he's still married and he hasn't signed the divorce papers, why would you accept the ring? Of engagement?

Because he has told me he's getting a divorce.

Okay, okay.

He has told me that he's getting a divorce. He's been telling you this, he ain't tell me that.

And when's the wedding?

One thing about it, Demita ain't signing no papers.

September 21st. Never. So on September 21st, you're supposed to be getting married? Yes. Okay. Well, listen, we've heard both sides of this, and I think it's time to hear the person that's in the middle of all of this. So let's introduce Michael to the show. Everyone, come on out. How you doing, sexy? Get off the gas, man. How you doing? Okay, so how do you feel about what was just said, Michael? Um, this is my baby. Okay? Real talk. Mm-hmm. What she took me through, I would never ever jeopardize my future. This woman have put me out.

This woman is with a man right now that tried to destroy me.

Demita, you have a relationship right now? No, I do not, sir. Okay. You don't? No, I was dealing with a guy. The same guy that tried to destroy me. She moved him in. Pictures on her Instagram, they together. This woman called the rehab where I was, the director, and told them to drug test me because I was getting high. Broke me and my family up. When I was homeless, before I even got homeless, she telling me, "Your family don't want you. You nasty." Yes. So what happened? I wasn't here.

But she wanted to control the whole situation.

She knew I didn't have nowhere to go, so she was the only one I had to depend on. But that was before— She cheated on me. I even went to the truck and she had a condom sitting on the console.

And she showed it to me, she was like, "Yeah, I'm finna go fuck." And she did that. Okay, rewind that a little bit, baby. The reason why I talked—

Rewind what?

The reason why I talked—

It ain't nothing that you could justify on that.

Okay, the reason why I did tell you— Nothing, I don't care if you told me or you didn't tell me, you cheated. I get that, I get that, reason why. And then you expect me to come back to you?

The reason why.

After you done made me lose several jobs? Baby. You have put me out. Yeah. You put me out, I'm your husband. What you do to me? You could've told me to go to another room. Babe, you moved me out your bedroom. Yeah, I told him get out my bedroom. Exactly. Go in the other room. Exactly. I did that. How? Why? Mike, come on, let's don't do that. What you mean? Let's don't do that.

Yes, everything I did to you, you deserved it. Okay. What did he do to you? Because you're saying you're owning up to this stuff. You're saying yes, I did.

I'm trying to get you to own it.

I did have sex with him. I did call the rehab place where he was working to get a drug test.

The reason why I put him out my room, because he was on drugs. So was you.

Yeah. Demita's a pill head. You did bring us here because you wanted to unlock Demita's phone. You told my investigators you wanted to know if she was making up the Facebook profiles to harass you online. That was a question you had, correct? Yes. Well, I think it's time to unlock the truth on that. Please do. All right, Lashawna, you want to know if Demita is making up making up Facebook profiles to harass you online. Demita says she is not. My Unlock the Phone investigators searched through her apps and DMs and found that Demita is telling the truth. There is no evidence that Demita has been making up any other social media profiles. My Unlock the Phone investigator also found that Demita is telling the truth about having contact with Michael. There have been 25 phone conversations between them over the past 2 months. Last 2 weeks. And what was interesting, my investigator wanted us to know, is that Michael, you initiated majority of those conversations. So you were calling her. Then you tell me. Because look, my also investigator also confirmed that the FaceTime screenshots are from this month. Check it out. The reason why, did you know that? The reason why I got in touch with Demetra, because of the simple fact Shawna got them texts. Why you gonna blame it on me?

Hold on. 'Cause who else would have access to see her Facebook? I really don't— 'Cause I got friends that she's been having send Facebook messages to me. But look, who else would send texts? Why would I contact you? Why would anybody be so concerned? This was my property. He's not your property. I said this was my property. I'm not nobody's property. Okay, baby, okay. Well, that's my husband's property.

That's my husband. Demetra, Demetra, you need to sign these papers.

I'm not gonna sign no papers. You know I told you I would never get a divorce from you. You told me.

Well, Mr. Karamo and his security team can get you to sign them papers. No, sir. Okay, well, I think, I mean, this is what we're talking about in court.

Because look, this woman bring me so much peace. Baby, you said thank God you was with me.

Michael, this is the moment. After a month and a half. Michael, you have choices. You have two choices here. Divorce or go back with your wife. You choose which one you want.

Divorce.

See, that's your decision. You had your marriage license and you can get them divorce papers. So you just want her to keep the marriage license? You can keep them. Put them in the frame, put them on social media. I don't care what you do with them, but sign them papers, please. Baby, please, don't take that home.

Take that back home. 'Cause this woman right here— I ain't worried about that woman. But I am. Okay, but you'll be calling me.

I'm worried about this woman. Demita, unfortunately he's telling you that he does want a divorce.

I'm worried about this woman.

He does want a divorce. Why is it that you still want to stay in it? Because I know he coming back.

Use a damn lie, and the truth ain't in you. Why would you want to be with somebody that want— I want you. I would never ever—

Why would you want to be with somebody that want you? The only reason why I even got with you, because my 'Cause my mom passed.

Other than that, everybody— Let's correct that. You got with me because you needed an address to parole out to. My mom had passed. I got a house down there. I said, well, baby, your sister staying in it. It ain't even worth living in it. See what I'm talking about? It's not even worth living in. See, you always trying to throw out the wrench. Because I'm gonna keep it 100, and you know I am. So all that faking and lying and shit is over with. You will be calling me. For what? You tell me. I've been living my life and doing me, but you steady calling me. I don't call you. You'll block me. You the one begging me to come back. Oh yeah, most definitely. Baby, you know I'm not gonna say— Don't ever disrespect me. I'm really sick and tired of this. Uh, babe, uh-huh, listen to me. Make it look good, baby.

This is me and you.

Make it look good, because I know one thing. You hear me? I hear you. He'll be back.

This right here, he gonna front. That's history. He been lying all his This right here, this is the future. You know I love you. You know I would do anything for you. I would never ever in my life ever go back to a toxic situation.

Okay. Only because you made a choice to stay.

I damn near died.

Because when you came home, you had the world with me and still come right to this day. That's for natural shit. Okay, but still, you're still here. Natural shit ain't made it to you but me. For natural shit ain't made it to you but me.

I'm thankful for that. Demita and Michael, I appreciate both of y'all being on the show. I'm gonna ask both of y'all to step backstage so y'all can have more of this conversation about this. I'm gonna talk to you for a little bit. But thank you so much for being here.

My emotions is like all over the place at this moment. I mean, I don't, I'm mad for the simple fact that he just is not doing what he's supposed to do, what he said that he was going to do.

And I understand that, but my question for you is what are you supposed to do? Because you can't control this man's action, but what you can control is what you do what you're allowing yourself to receive and understanding what you deserve. You're too mature to be playing these games. Yeah. Yeah. Come on now. I don't know what's been going on. I wish I could understand what happened with your self-esteem, what happened in past relationships. But there's something that's making you think that this is what you deserve. You deserve better. You deserve better. You hear them? You deserve better than that. Yes, I do. You really do? I'm, I'm being honest with you. Yes, I know Demina just got out of prison, but you don't deserve to be in a life sentence with this man. I just pray that you hear my words, you hear this audience encouragement and you see the beautiful woman you are. Listen, you have risen above, all right? But sometimes when you rise above, you gotta go ahead and fly away and leave that behind, all right? So please do yourself a favor and don't get back involved in this. Let them stay backstage and let you fly somewhere else. Don't go along with this anymore, okay? You deserve more than this. You do. And if nobody else has told you, Karamo's telling you. I'm telling you, all right? I wish you the best of luck, all right? Were you married when you all got married? It was supposed to have been a divorce. Yes. But at that time, if I would've known it wasn't, we would've never got married.

You knew you wanted a divorce. No. Stop telling that lie. Okay.

I had sent the money up there to Atlanta.

You was supposed to make sure she did the right thing.

She said she was gonna do the right thing. Indian dude. Indian dude, okay. So what's going on with the girl from Taco Bell? Nothing. Nothing at all? I don't even know the girl. Okay then. And then this picture that we sent, is it of you? What do you, how you feel about that picture? I have never been with another woman, Karamo. Okay. Never. Never. Never. Never at all. Never at all. You gonna lock my phone, everything. You won't see nothing in there.

Okay then, wow. Okay, you like this whole relationship, you don't touch me? We go long months without having sex.

If you getting accused of cheating all the time, you ain't gonna be in the mood.

Well, you should make me feel that way. You ain't gotta worry about me saying nothing if you were treating me like a woman, Pooh Bear. I can come on. That's the God honest truth.

If you constantly feeling cheated, you cheated all the time, constantly 24 hours a day.

No, it's not. All the time, son. Quit that now. Okay.

Nothing's going on.

If you didn't make me feel that way, Lord, no. I'm telling you this, Karamo.

Nothing is going on. I have never conversated with another woman. None of that. Well, that's not technically true because you do have a child from another woman. Exactly.

And then he swear he hate her so bad, but he be messaging her on Facebook and all that.

Have you heard of the fact that she's telling people that she's having another child by you? Yeah, he knows. So you know that she's saying that? So, like I said, I confronted her too. Okay, what is it? That's on the phone.

Yeah, you got that girl's fear. Did that girl fear you? She know what to say. She know what to say. 'Cause I feel like that lady would've never said that. She might not be pregnant, but she was letting me know he was coming over there.

I've never been over there.

She wanted me to know that he been creeping over there.

That's the only time I have ever been over there.

Yeah, whatever, I'm gonna tell you, Karamo. Okay, the baby, right? I would never keep him from his child, Lord knows I wouldn't. But the little girl badly messing with him. Okay, ever since the baby birthday party last year, we go to the party, right? Oh, he up there snapping pictures of her mama. No, she was— Yes, you do, tell the truth.

She was right beside her mama.

I would never disrespect you like that.

She was right beside her mother, so I was taking pictures of her.

Okay, he could've been taking pictures of that little girl, right? By herself. He taking pictures, got picture full of, phone full of pictures of her mama. I feel like that's disrespectful. Only her mama? And the baby, yeah, and her mama. And the baby mama mama. Daddy, boy, stop. Okay, okay. They right beside each other. She right beside him. Well, Karamo, 'cause that wasn't right. At the moment she was. Well, what you want with that girl in your phone for one? I don't want her in my phone. Boy.

I was just taking a picture of my children. I don't know if you were taking it like you were a photographer Photographer. So why did you tell Deena there was mustard in your underwear? 'Cause at the time when I was on the bed of my truck, I was eating mayo and mustard that night.

You ain't say nothing about no mayo. This man ain't say nothing about no mayo now. Lord have mercy. Man, you a mess, bro. Yes, it was. Oh, you do a lot.

I have never messed with another woman.

You are a liar. Never. You a liar. Never. You can't make it up.

I'm the one that called the show to get this. Yeah, but when it's too late. In the moment where your woman is telling you, I feel insecure about a situation, why wouldn't you just say, listen, there's no other woman for me. I only want to look at you. I done told her that. I done told her that. Okay, good.

He asked it. I don't care what he said.

Hundreds of times. I done told her that hundreds of times.

I don't care what he say. I don't care what he say. I told her that. It ain't matching up. No, no, no. It's totally different. This man been leaving me off and on ever since we been together. If you really love somebody, you will sacrifice for them. He left me while I was pregnant. He come back home and he went again.

Did you leave him while he was pregnant?

And then he come back home and now he on the road. I'm tired, I'm tired, I'm drained, I'm emotional. Spiritually, all of it, but I'm tired. I'm really tired. And he know that. That's why he brought me to this show, 'cause he know I'm through with him. I'm through. Trying to give this man so many chances, he still hurt me. I don't try to hurt you at all. That ain't right. You might not try to, but you do.

I don't try to hurt you at all.

I don't try to hurt you. Oh, come on, man, you a straight man. Manipulator. How old is the child you have together?

How old is the child you have together? He's 5. 5 years old. Okay then, are you a good father? Yeah, great. Sort of. Sort of. Okay, what do you mean? Tell me.

Sort of, 'cause he don't need to spend time with other children, uh-huh, for one. And then I be telling him, I haven't been without my baby for 5 years. Of course he never gave me a break or anything. He don't never say, huh, baby, go get your nail done or nothing. I keep telling the man I need a break, I need a break. He don't even give me one. He the father, he supposed to get help with me. When I come home, when I do come home— No, no, you don't, you gone. I tell you all this at home, even before you even call this show or anything. You know we been going at it this last past year. 'Cause I been telling you I want you out my life, man. 'Cause you done drained the hell out of me. Oh, I'm sorry.

No, you fine.

But he had a— And I feel like he called your show because that phone he got, he ain't had it but a couple months. What I wanna know is what happened 17, 18, 19, and 20. And he know y'all don't have access to that. Nothing. I ain't no fool.

Well, since you brought up the phone, it is time to unlock the phone, so Gina. Gina, you told our unlock the phone investigators that you want to know if Shawn was using any dating apps. If he's sexting members of your family, and if he's talking to any other women. Sean, we unlocked your phone. All right, so Deena, you wanna know if Sean is using any dating apps. Sean says he is not. My Unlock the Phone investigator searched his apps and found that Sean is telling the truth. We didn't find any dating apps. Deena, you wanna know if Sean has been sexting any members of her family. Sean says he is not. My unlock the phone investigator searched his texts and found that he is telling the truth. We didn't find any explicit message between you and the family members. Like I said, that's all. Deena, you wanna know if Sean has been communicating with any other women. Sean says he's not. And my unlock the phone investigator searched his DMs and found he is telling the truth. I told you. I told you. But hold on, let me say this. Hold on. Let me stress this. Let me stress this. Hold on, let me stress this. So what our investigator did also share with me is that this is a brand new phone.

Yo. That we don't have for a few months. Exactly. Exactly.

I will say this, and I'm not here to accuse you. I'm not here to accuse you.

I have no clue.

I'm not trying to accuse you because I don't want to accuse you just based on what she's saying. And what we have found? Nothing. We have to be honest about that. But if there's been a history of years that she's expressing, you've been together 12 years and you have a brand new phone, it doesn't give us much to be able to search. But it also doesn't create a foundation of saying, well look, in the past years that you were in question, here's the truth. We don't have access to that.

He knew that.

You also want us to unlock her phone because you wanna know if Dina was communicating with other men. Dina, we unlocked your phone. Actually, we did not because you refused to unlock your phone.

Because I feel like I ain't gotta prove nothing to him. 'Cause I tell him the truth about everything. I am 100 with this man. Only thing I ever asked for him is just to treat me like a woman should be treated. And we got kids together. That's the most important thing. And you can't even be the man of the house though. Yeah, I can.

Best I can. If you wanna know my opinion since you called the show, the phone is new but this relationship is old and it's time for it to end. And that is the truth. That is the truth. There's nothing here to hold onto. You all would have an opportunity to live happier and healthier lives apart. And the thing with sometimes in unhealthy relationships is when someone else is your anchor, you forget that anchor also pulls people down. And this relationship is doing nothing but pulling you all down. Even though you feel like she's the one the one that's holding you down.

No, I don't feel like that.

Well, when I say holding you down, I don't mean like pushing you down, but being the one that's saying, okay, I'm here, I'm gonna still keep up with you, I'm gonna still put up with things, I'm gonna still be there. But she's telling you she's exhausted. So my question is, is that why? You're not happy. You're not happy and you have an opportunity to be happy. You have an opportunity to heal, to be with someone who's gonna want to talk to you, who's gonna want to have sex with you, y'all are going to wanna engage in these things. Y'all are both in your 40s. We're still young. You're not old. You get an opportunity to still live. This is not what it has to be. You don't have to live the next 40 years unhappy, sad, arguing, crying. Stop holding on. You gotta be real with yourself because she is being real with you. Don't hold on. I wish both of y'all the best of luck and I will remind you, you deserve happiness. Seriously. Thank you for calling the show and I hope this resonates with you because if you keep holding on to this, all you gonna do is keep holding on to something that's unhealthy and tearing yourself down. Time to build yourself up, all right? And give her an opportunity to build herself up, all right? I wish y'all the best of luck. Good luck, all right?

He thinks it's all about him. You do this and I have changed. I used to put my hands on, pop him. I used to slap him in the top of his mouth and stuff. It was a problem, and I know it's a problem, 'cause I get that. But in the beginning, I changed that. I ain't done that. When I get mad, I used to take shit just to mess with him. I changed that. I don't do that. I change the things that I know I'm doing wrong, 'cause I'm proving to you my love. If I didn't fucking love you, I wouldn't change. I wouldn't leave my kids to come start a life just to establish, to bring my kids there. 'Cause you know my worth. You know what I'm buying. But you don't know mine. I don't. And so you don't give me what I need. I don't. And I don't even try to. And I don't know what else to do to show you. What you mean you ain't show me what you need? I change everything. How did you show me? I come. What have you showed me? Everything. What? I work, I take care of you, the kids. You're a liar. I buy everything that you buy. This is what that means. You don't buy nothing. I buy everything.

You're a damn liar. What?

I do everything. Tell me. This is Douglas. You step in my 3 kids' life. This is what he does. He steps in, does a little manly man for a day, and then he gets mad and he's gone. Bye, family. Y'all don't mean shit to me. Till he's ready to step back in, feel a little manly man, and gone. That's what you've been doing. My mental, where I can't even keep a job 'cause I'm trying to establish something with you.

You, you. Okay, okay, okay. So I'm gonna ask you this right now.

And this is what's real.

How long has this been affecting you? How long has it?

A minute. The 29th of this month is our year. Yeah. If it don't change after this show, if something don't 1% better on any level, of what I need, 'cause I can give him what he needs and that's that. When they go through my phone, you won't find nothing. And you ain't gonna find nothing through mine. Absolutely nothing. He thinks he's a man, but this is what he does. And I don't even believe there's nothing on that phone. That ain't my issue. I'm a man's man, I don't give a damn. And I'm a woman's woman, okay, what does that even mean? A man's man.

So what's interesting is—

But I came and I proved myself. I was working. You left. If it wasn't for you, I wouldn't be on the Karamo Show right now.

I was working.

I'm here with you. I'm here with you. But I flee from you. So you see you're here, but you don't see that I'm here. That's been the problem. That's what it is. I don't because you have to step up like me. You know you— You're the only one probably in this whole place right now that's full of something. Why we get kicked out everywhere we go? Why? Why? I'm the only one in this relationship. I'm the only one. 3 and 5 o'clock in the morning, you in and out, in and out, in and out. Come on, stop going there. You can't do that. It happens, don't it? But nothing causes nothing. Stop yelling, stop screaming, you gonna put us out. Here we go with our bodies. Are we not both screaming? We not both screaming? What I do? What do I do? I go against my family for her.

My producer told me you both brought two phones, right? That you both have two phones that you both want to unlock. So it's time to unlock the phones. All right, Douglas, we unlocked your phone. Here we go.

Oh, this is how I do. I take care of this man. That's his problem. He spoiled y'all.

Okay, enough ain't enough. So here we go, Douglas.

My— This is what keeps us together, the only thing.

We unlocked phone number 1, but my investigator found that the phone had been tampered with, and you admitted that you dropped it in the toilet. So we were—

But I did not do that. Let me tell y'all something about me. Karamo, I did. Karamo, I was at the gas station at Murphy's. I was at Murphy's, right? Me and her arguing, she stressed me out. I didn't want no man. I got 3 kids and you got my kids waiting outside for my elevator to get there and they waiting on me and I'm waiting on you to get to them.

I wish you could get Murphy's and pull that shit. You don't see that I'm coming out kicking my phone like, damn, this girl's still calling me. Well, here we go. Phone number 2. Laura, you wanna know if Douglas is communicating with any other women? Zero. Laura, you wanna know if Douglas has inappropriately communicated with a specific ex? And Laura, you wanna know if Douglas is on any dating sites, correct? All right, my investigator searched the texts, DMs, and calls, and Douglas's phone was clean. But this is the thing, this is the thing. The phone is only 3 weeks old, so that's why we didn't find anything. You can go back 2 months.

I get my iPhone, I give you the number, what's the number, 42 something, go back, ain't nothing in it.

I don't do that. I ain't goofy like that.

But he's constantly, this is what he does. He does. Constantly resetting, like factory resetting his phone every week. And I'm like, why? 'Cause you in it. She in it, she logged in it, she take, take, take, take. That's his paranoia. Just like he thinks I'm keying on him. 'Cause she take everything. And that's why he would say that. 'Cause the only time I would ever take anything is outta anger and I'd be like, I take a cigarette just to mess with him.

So I quit doing even that just to show you I'm not. iPhone 1 was dropped in the toilet. Okay.

Yeah, at Speedway. And then I didn't hear from him over 24 hours. Then he disappeared for 3 days, said he was staying in my van outside of work. Trying to— because I lived outside of work.

Laura, we unlocked— here we go. Laura, we unlocked your phone. Okay. Uh-oh. Ain't nothing.

Uh-oh, here it is. Ain't nothing. Okay, I know it ain't nothing in mine. It better not be nothing.

Nothing in yours, or you done lost the best man you ever had. Douglas, you wanna know if Laura is still communicating with the guy he caught her texting with.

You want me to give you what you want?

Douglas, you also wanna know if Laura's communicating with any other men. And Douglas, you also wanna know if Laura has deleted any messages or is communicating with other men. My investigator unlocked your Android and searched your calls, texts, and DMs, and nothing. Your phone was clean, but the phone again is only 3 weeks old. That ain't the right phone, get the 42.

Hold on, hold on, hold on. That's not my phone like this, my iPhone that I paid $1,800 for.

But what's interesting is that you started talking to my producers 3 weeks ago as well. So the phone coordinates—

That ain't the right phone, get the 42.

He busted my phone. Okay, well here we go, phone number 2. We then tried to unlock your iPhone.

That's the phone that needs to be unlocked. That's the one that he picked up for the theft.

Which has been tampered with. Picked up through. But it's also been tampered with, so we couldn't get into that phone either.

It's not about me, it's been tampered with because he busted it and broke the motherboard. Okay. That's why they wouldn't fix it. They tried to fix it.

Well, you both seek transparency, but you both showed up with broken phones, so. Because of his. Okay, two things that come to mind. First of all, you both keep saying that you want change, but change can't happen if there's not first something in common. And what I can tell from the details that I have related is that you never had common ground. The second thing I'm gonna tell you. Yeah, it was. There was no common ground. I can tell you that. I've been trying to get to. But see this, you hear what I said again. Change can only happen when there's common ground. Right. You never had common ground in the first place. Right. So what you're trying to change is you're constantly just trying to change for somebody who you never were matched with in the first place. The second thing I'm gonna say is that you both trusted your ex and she set y'all up. Yeah. I don't mean she set y'all up in like, getting you together. I mean, she's saying— That's what I'm saying. She said, look, get together. It's clear that in the year you've been together, there is a lack of communication. There is a lack of— I'm the only one that brings this stuff up.

I'm a prioritizer. I have raised my kids by myself. No help, no family, y'all. By myself with 3 kids.

That's hard. I went, raised my son, got custody of my son. Listen, regardless.

I take care of mine.

How do we move forward when you're—

That was 25 years ago. We're here in 2025.

I agree. I agree. What I would say to you, and I'm being dramatic here by asking to do that. The reason I'm asking to do that is because at the end of the day, what I do hear is two people that want love. I hear two people that want stability. I'm gonna be honest with you. Do I think that you all have it? Flirted with getting attention from other people. So this is my opinion. I think yes.

I was in a vulnerable spot.

Can I just say that? I said flirted. I didn't say you do anything. I did not. You said the man texted you. He said he read it because you're not getting what you need in this relationship.

Of this relationship. And I understand. And I'm stuck. I'm stuck.

You're not stuck. You're not stuck. I am. So let me tell you. I feel stuck. I know you feel stuck. Stuck. Because what I've seen in you is a woman who clearly is strong enough.

I am a strong-ass woman and I got my order in my head. It's his puts us where we just caught up.

Ain't even hit the bus. Here we go, here we go. Hear me out, hear me out, hear me out. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. What is keeping you stuck is not Douglas, It's your choice to be in this. Right. Nope. So end right there.

I never say it's all him.

It's your choice. And it is your choice to be in something that's not healthy for both of us.

It's both of our fault.

Everything healthy for both of our, whatever we want.

It's his fault. He's not happy.

It's my fault. I'm not happy. I never denied none of that.

I'm an honest person.

What happens right now, and I've shared this on this show before and I'll tell you again, there was a point when I was younger that me and my siblings had to live in a hotel with my mother. This is not something I'm ashamed of. I'm definitely not ashamed. And I didn't say you were. What I'm trying to show you—

Makes a strong person to do that.

What it did for me is watching my mother stay quiet and do the work showed me to stay quiet and do the work. So my guest, Servilla, is convinced her fiancé, Ison, is spending too much time at the bus stop meeting women when he should be figuring out how to pay off the engagement ring he promised her. He put on layaway. On top of that, she caught him sexting other women. Servilla wants the truth behind her fiancé's lack of effort. Please welcome Servilla to the show. How are you, Servilla? You look beautiful, mi amor. I am.

Nice to meet you.

You're so pretty. Thank you. Okay, so what text did you see on Ice on on Karamo's phone?

Oh my goodness. This the text that like broke my trust a little bit. You know, I'm looking through the phone and all of a sudden I see, what did it say? Let me fuck and you know what I mean. Like what do you mean by that? When I read those words and my eyes saw that, I just was like, it just threw me a little. Just threw me.

Yeah, so what happened in October?

Last October, I'm doing a Halloween party/birthday party for my granddaughter. Mm-hmm. His phone ring, hold on, I gots to show you. Okay. We walking together now, we side by side, his phone rings, so I'm just like, you know, like, who that? Yeah. Lo and behold, my eyes landed on. So I'm like, who the hell is? So you know when men do stuff, You know, they get nervous and stuff. So he started fumbling around, fumbling the phone. So the phone's calling back. I'm like, "Answer it." He like, "Queen, I'm gonna answer it, I'm gonna answer it." "Answer the phone, call it back." So he answers. You call me queen all the time, but all of a sudden, "I'm your peoples. Hello, I'm with my peoples right now." What the hell was that? What was that one about?

Wow, so he switched it up. So what do you typically argue about?

So he said, "Let's get married." So I be asking him about the ring. When we was going to get the ring and he was like, "Get what you want," I didn't go there. I just chose something reasonable. It was only like, you know, like 3, little over $3,000 or whatever. So from 2021, I was there with you. You put $100 down and you set it all up. You gave him all your bank card information to take out $200 every 2 weeks. 2 weeks. So it was set up. Where is that?

So you want us to unlock Ison's phone, you told my producers, and you said because you wanted 3 things particular. You want to see if he's cheating? Yeah. Or 2 things in particular. It's because you wanna see if he's cheating and you want to know if he actually has an engagement ring on Leoa. Mm-hmm. Okay. Well everyone, I think it's time to meet Ison. So everyone, please welcome Ison to the show.

How you doing, son?

Nice to meet you. Yes, take a seat for me. All right, so, all right, son, please tell me, how do you feel about what you just heard? Basically, I'm just trying to do the best I can, you know? Yeah, she said Okay, that was the mom at the bus stop. And for the record, have you ever cheated on Savilla? No. Never? No, never cheated on her at all. Any way, shape, form, or fashion. So we gotta ask, do you have her engagement ring on layaway 'cause she's in this accident? Yes, I did, I do have it on layaway. Did or do?

That's what your mouth said. Excuse me.

I went to go check on the ring about a few weeks ago to a month ago, and they changed management, and it was like, we have to start after basically almost like I lost a lot of payments.

So you ain't gonna do nothing about that? So how much money you lost? You ain't worried about money that you've been putting in? Come on, you gotta go take care of business sometime. You can't just sit there. You the man.

I'm gonna say this, Sevilla, I know you came here 'cause you wanted me to unlock Ison's phone. Are you ready for these unlock the phone results?

I am ready. But before, I don't know what y'all was able to do, but I found this mighty strange, right? We coming here, right? On the 23rd, all of a sudden on the 22nd, you sitting there, my phone, I think you, I don't wanna curse.

Well, that's what it said. Our unlock the phone investigator says your phone would not take a charge so we could not open it to even unlock it.

Like, did you, would you sabotage it?

No, it's been broken for the last year. Okay. And every time I go in the kitchen, try to charge it or anywhere, I'm always trying to, you know, I'm trying to charge it.

But my thing is, it been like that for a while. How come all of a sudden it totally goes out? You've been working with it like that for the longest. But the day before we come in here.

Two days before. Now it ain't working. Quay, when I went to the store.

You just went in there and rimshacked it so it wouldn't work.

No, I did not. I did not do that. Probably that's what I think. I did not do that. That's what I think. Truthfully speaking. I wish we could unlock your phone. Maybe that phone. 'Cause I know our producer spoke to you on that phone. I gotta tell you this, what really what it is for me, I feel like you two are at a space right now where in your relationship you just need more romance.

Something simple as food or dinner or something like that.

You want to do more. You want— I can't, I ain't gonna never get nothing but a piece of chicken 'cause that's the only way he go.

You only catch the bus so you ain't never gonna go somewhere different.

Listen, let me do this right now. I said, if you can commit to telling her that you will do more for her, I will commit to helping you with money to get her this ring. Peace. Peace. But I'm a man, my words have action. So if she tells me that your words don't have action and she's still looking for a date, then now she knows that you're not gonna make, 'cause I'm giving you an opportunity here. So she knows that you're not gonna even take those steps steps to do what she needs when somebody else is also helping out. Because I do believe there's love here. I believe there's romance here. I believe that all relationships have their ups and downs, but I do think at the core of this that this man loves you and I believe you love him. I do. And I'm giving you the offer still. I'll help you with the ring. This is a step. All right. Because I believe you do love her. So here we go. I know, I know. So we got a first step. Can y'all commit to that? Can you turn to your wife and say, "I love you and I commit to this"? I love you, queen. I love you too. You know that. Give your man a hug and give your wife, your lady a hug. It's a commitment that can get y'all in the right direction. I believe in y'all. So why does he want your phone unlocked?

He's got trust issues and I know it's his past, it has a lot to do with it, his past relationships. And plus, you know, when she wouldn't answer the phone those times.

Those times were 9 months. Yeah. Okay, the 9 months.

I work third shift, either I'm sleeping, I can't hear the phone. I mean, I work 12-hour shifts.

So you're the only one picking up the phone? That's a hard shift because usually it's really busy, you got a lot of stuff to do, you got a lot of stuff prepared for the next day. Day and night. Yeah. But then, and then you get home and you're tired. So if you understand that, why would you still think it could be something that happened?

She went from picking up the phone day and night, bro.

Like it didn't matter when the phone rang, she answered. But then she'll stop answering for days. Not a day, days. Days. Okay. Have you ever cheated on him?

Never have I cheated on him. Okay. Never. I may have messaged.

Have you ever talked to anybody?

I may have messaged my ex and I told him about that.

I don't know about that.

Oh my gosh. When I did all that, I did it because I wasn't sure if I wanted to be with him. We've been through so much.

Okay, so I'm gonna ask you this.

Does he give you access to his phone? When he wants to. Okay. If I ask him for it, he'll take it.

I ain't got no social media platforms at all.

No Facebook, Snapchat, Instagram. He just got a new phone. He ain't got none of that, man.

No, I ain't had it in 2 years.

Since September, he don't have the same Gmail, he don't have the same phone number, and he finally did tell me about his Snapchat. About a text message. Oh yeah, okay. Before we got here.

Okay.

And it was the same girl. I asked to see this phone and he wouldn't let me see it. And it's the same girl I suspected. Got it.

But nothing went further with that? No. Then nothing went further with that girl since then? Yeah, man, we ain't, yeah. Okay, okay, man. So why do you stay? I know you said you see something that's within him, but why are you staying?

Because I love this man. I see, I can see a future with him. I want to be with him. When we first got together, I told him there was something about him that I couldn't pull myself, I couldn't see myself without him. There was something, and I'm trying so hard to fix our relationship.

And I'm trying too though. I'm putting the work in too. He is? Yeah. So I mean, I'm trying to better the situation. So what's on the line in this relationship?

I mean, something's gotta happen or I can't. Are you gonna leave? If it gets worse, yeah. If this doesn't help, then yes.

Well, I think it's time to unlock the phone. I'm so sorry, man. Javonte, we unlock your phone first. Okay. So Hailey, you want to know if Javonte is using any dating apps. Javonte says he is not. My Lock the Phone investigators searched his apps and found that Javonte is telling the truth. I told you, bro. I told you. I told you, bro. Hailey, you wanna know if Javonte has been receiving any inappropriate emails at all? Javonte says he's not. My Unlock the Phone investigator searched his emails and found that Javonte is telling the truth. I fucking told you, bro. I told you. Hailey, you wanna know if Javonte has been receiving texts from other women? Javonte says he is not. When I unlocked the phone, investigators searched his texts and found he's still telling the truth. Yeah.

I told you you had a face.

I told you you had a face.

Well, I'm just curious.

I told you about it, man.

He just told me about a text message.

Well, the text message you told about, these are the things. So this is outside of what you shared with us. So the things that you two have shared with us, we're not gonna repeat to you. Yeah, right. Okay. So these are outside of the things that you've shared with us that we're searching for. Okay. Yeah. So outside of that, there's nothing else. Okay. Yeah. Is there something else that you're looking for?

No, I just— We'll keep searching.

I was just— No, that's one of my favorite things to do here.

We will search people phones. I told you, bro. Yeah.

I told you. Seriously. I told you, bro. All right. What's your suspicion?

I mean, obviously he, this has been just the, since we moved to Kentucky, he's had this phone. If that message isn't in there, then where is it at?

So you said outside of that, you already told him about it. Okay, he told me nice and about it. So, I'm sorry. I tried to tell you. Well, Javonte, we unlocked Hailey's phone. All right, Javonte, you wanna know if Hailey has been using any dating apps. Hailey says she is not. My unlock the phone investigator searched her apps and found she's telling the truth. All right, okay, okay, okay. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. All right, Javonte, you wanna know if Hailey is at work from 7:00 AM to 7:00 PM. Hailey says she is at work during that time. My Lock the Phone investigators searched her GPS and found that she is telling the truth. All right, man. So just to let you know, we also pinged her selfies. We pinged her location from her selfies as well that she sends. Just to make sure that she's at work. And they're always, yeah. Well, Javonte, you wanna know if Hailey has been texting her ex. Hailey says she is not. My Lock the Phone investigator searched her texts and found that she is telling the truth. But we found 8,817 text exchanges between you two. Okay. Which my investigator wants me to look at because it looks like you are the one who is constantly checking on her when she's at work. Yeah, yeah. You showed up to her job in September. So let me see this. She has you as my baby daddy. You better be 'cause I can't take another heartbreak. I don't know if you're like walking around your job looking for her. Man, that's just what I'm saying though, man.

If that ain't what it is, no.

I don't want another heartbreak outta there. Okay. Yeah, I told you, may have stalker tendencies, but I ain't never really done none of that shit though. Yeah, same. I ain't never done none of that shit though. Okay. Stop texting me. Of course I love you, baby. Sorry, I was really busy, my love. Okay, I will help you, baby. Okay.

I'm just there to support him, you know?

Okay, man, we know that now, man. Okay. All right, listen, I want to say thanks, Karama, but at the end of the day, man, I want to make it. You know, I got to apologize, man. Yeah, please do. Listen, bro. At the end of the day, baby, I'm sorry, man. You was right, bro. I'm. Stand up, bro. I'm sorry, bro. Listen, at the end of the day, man, you know, I. I just want to be sure, bro. And, you know, I done this before I went to prison, But I want to know if you really will marry me, man. Yeah. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

We can celebrate. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Cause I thought you was getting out. You saw my face.

I was like, hold on.

Is he on one knee? No, no, no. You can't ask her to marry you. Why is that? No, no, no. I asked you only 10 minutes ago what is going on with these trust issues? And you said, I can't let it go. And I can't believe it. You think it's 10 minutes you ain't healed from that? And I ain't gonna. I ain't gonna even let you play yourself like that. And I appreciate that, but listen. Been doing this for a while, man. Listen, I love the love. I do love it. And I want y'all to get engaged. I wanna be clear. I want you to find love, but you'll turn yourself into the same cycle of, and you'll be engaged and then still be accusing her once you get triggered. You haven't healed from these trust issues. You haven't healed from these trust issues at all. And this is going to keep coming out over and over and again. Well, that's the first thing. I'm glad that you're here. I think you took step one by going to the phone and believing it. Because some people would still see that nothing's going on and be like, no. But the second thing you have to, it has nothing to do with her. You gotta challenge yourself and say, when was the first moment you started to feel trust issues? That shit rooted a long time ago, Dad.

That's probably when my pops telling me he's gonna be there, don't.

So man, it stems from all the way back then and then women so forth. So man, it ain't just her. So what I appreciate is your honesty of you being able to recognize the moment that it came from. "My father told me he was gonna be there, he wasn't." So that's a beautiful thing because now that you know where the root started, you gotta start backwards and move forward from there and start healing. Because the thing is, what I don't want you to do is to sit on this stage and propose before you propose to do the work. All right. Does that make sense?

Yeah, yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

Yeah, man, but I'm willing to do the work. And I'm doing this for you too. I know. I know there's love here and I want you to have young Listen, I love nothing more than an engagement. I love like the happy ending. I love love. But I just know that you'll walk off the stage and if something happens, if you haven't done that healing work, it's just gonna trigger you. When you get triggered by something that is happening, then your abandonment is being triggered, your trust is being triggered. That's the work you have to do of say to yourself of like, no, I'm secure. People love me and I'm safe. That's the word you have to say to yourself because we all have personal mantras we have to give ourselves. And that's yours. So if you can practice that first, and when you feel insecure and say, hold on, something's going on, she ain't picking up the phone, what are you gonna say to yourself? You're gonna say, I am secure. Yeah. I am secure. I am safe. But sometimes you don't feel like that though, young man. No, but see, this is what I'm saying. You have to reassure yourself. This is where the little kid in you, you have to say, nah, nah, it's good. You safe. The woman that you love is at work. Yeah. She's gonna come home. She's gonna be there for me. This is where you have to do that work. What's making you emotional right now?

I just, that's, you're telling him exactly what he needs to hear because it's breaking me, you know, having to, it's tiring having to fight with him to prove where I'm at and I'm only doing what I'm supposed to be doing as a woman, as a wife, as a mother. I want my family together, Javonte. I understand that, man.

I just gotta take the steps. Yeah, man, it was just That's step one, bro. I know you want it. It is. Step one. And you got step two. Yeah. When you have that triggered up, you gotta say to yourself, I'm secure. Yeah. I'm safe. So please, you do the work for that and then you do the work. Listen, I'll help you make this proposal better, all right? I'll make sure the proposal is great, but you gotta do that work yourself, all right? Appreciate it though, man. I appreciate it.