Even If You're My Sister, I Hate You! | KARAMO

I'm here today because I'm trying to figure out if Napoleon is my father. My mother knew who her father is, my brother know who his father is, my son know who his father is. I'm currently pregnant and my daughter know who her father is. I had a father figure in my life, but it wasn't really like a daughter and dad connection.

Yeah.

It was a great experience, but he passed away 3 years ago. So I'm kind of hurt 'cause like I'm 28 years old and it's like, who wants to go through this?

Yeah, of course, of course. What were you told about your father growing up?

So I was told that another guy was my father, but when I seen Tim, it was like no kind of connection. So I just immediately told him like, "There's no way you can be my father." Got it, got it. I felt as though it was like a waste of my time because it really wasn't a connection with us.

Uh-huh. And how did you find out that other man could be your father?

My mother told me.

Your mother told you, okay. My producer told me that there was a twist though when you met Napoleon.

Yes, so when I met Napoleon, I talked to him on the phone And he basically was telling me about his daughter named Desiree.

Okay.

So when he was telling me about that, I just immediately like shut him down. And I'm like, oh well, you know, I don't like her. Like I wanna fight her.

Yeah.

And he basically was like, you know, why, what was going on? But whole time he knew why. So I sat and explained to him like, you know, well, she slept with my baby father. She knew who he was and they were just like taking pictures on Facebook and stuff like that. And not only that, she was talking about my son.

Yes.

So that really just tore me apart right there. I didn't want no connection with her or anything like that.

So not only could Napoleon be your father, but your enemy Desiree turned out that she could be your sister?

Yes.

And Napoleon was in jail when you found all that out, correct?

Yes.

Okay then. So what's most upsetting for you in this whole situation?

The most upsetting part is how can someone that is your enemy be, you know, how can I want a connection with somebody that is my enemy that slept with my baby father or that talked about my child.

Yeah.

There's no relation, so I feel like it's a waste of time.

Yeah.

My time, honestly. I know who my dad is, so.

But why don't you believe that Davion is your father's daughter?

Well, respectfully, you could walk up to my dad and say you his son, that don't make you his child.

But I look like our little brother.

I'm talking to Karamo.

I look like our little brother, though.

I'm talking to Karamo here. Respectfully, we've been down this path, my dad's been there, we didn't have like many, possibilities, and they literally all came out to be negative. We didn't have—

Oh, so other women have come forward saying that?

Yes, yes, yes. Like before we found out about her, there's one, we have a little sister, it's probably about 2 or 3 more. And basically out of all of them, only one came out to be our real sibling.

Got it.

And I just don't want no connection with somebody that's my, for one, my enemy, for one. So you can't force me to be cool with somebody. And for two, yeah, I just don't, I'm not with that.

I wanna back up. What's your relationship like with your father?

My relationship is perfect. You know, he was in jail like most of my life. Like ever since I was 5 years old, 4 or 5. Like when I was first born, you know, his mom and his dad, my grandmother, they used to come and you know, as you could see, you know, from age 5 to now, you know, I've been in his life, you know, from here and there, you know. And so our relationship is perfect. You know, that's my twin. You know, I could come to him about anything. You know, he's there for me. He's there for my, you know, now that he knows my daughter, We're literally kinda still like getting, 'cause he's been in Gino Joe. I'm 28 years old, so it's kinda rough, but it's good.

Got it. How bad are things between you two? Because it seems like y'all are, I mean, you called each other enemies earlier, so you consider her your enemy?

Yeah, I don't like her and she don't like me.

Got it.

There's nothing in common at all.

Well, Desiree, you have a 17-year-old brother, Voncier, who is here, right?

Yes.

I wanna hear what he has to say. I wanna welcome Voncyr out here to the show. Voncyr, thank you for being here. I wonder what do you have to say about what you just heard?

Honestly, I feel like it's a little bit disappointing because even if whatever the results say, I feel like it really doesn't matter. That's just honestly, no disrespect, I feel like that's just a paper. Like at the end of the day, we also have connection. If she's connected to that and we're connected to that through just us knowing that we're already, like I feel like it should just be that. But at the end of the day, like it's just hard because I feel like I'm in the middle.

It sounds like you are.

Yeah. So like, because on one hand I want to be with Davey and just chill with Davey and stuff, but then I feel like Desi will feel a way if I chill with her or like I don't even feel comfortable calling Davey while I'm with Desi or vice versa or something like that.

I believe you told me you started a group chat with them.

What happened?

Yeah, I kind of started.

I think I can know what happened, right? We all kind of.

Yeah, it was pointless.

It was just, I don't know, but.

Oh, you know. You in it. You started it, you know.

Yeah, but I just, it was a situation where I kind of went to her son's birthday party. I went to one, but it was the second one that I went to. And I didn't tell Desi because I didn't tell Desiree because I didn't feel comfortable.

Got it.

And I didn't know how she would feel about it. So, and it's just a complicated situation.

Yeah. So you were with your father the first time he met Davion in person, right?

Yes, yes, yes.

And what was that like?

It was cool. Like we always, me and Davey always had cool vibes. We always clicked like from the first time. That's why I wanted to be both with all of us together because my dad is gonna wanna still want them together like at the end of the day. And so like they both beautiful Black queens, you feel me? So like, I feel like, yeah, like I feel like we should just stick together.

I feel you, I feel you. So if you two do find out that you're sisters, do you think you'll be able to have a relationship?

Am I being honest here?

Yeah, be honest.

You can let her answer it.

If you find out you're sisters, do you want a relationship? Do you think you can mend fences?

I wouldn't mind, but I know that it will take time.

Got it. Would you want it?

Maybe.

Maybe, okay. Well, joining us remote is Desiree and Bonserre's dad, Napoleon. So welcome to the show, please, everyone. How you doing? How everybody doing? Napoleon, thank you for being here. You've been listening and we're trying to get answers on Davion being your biological daughter. When did you find out about Davion?

I'd say about 2 years ago.

Yeah.

I first got the inbox. I was incarcerated at the time and my daughter was like managing my Facebook and she told me like, hey, I got this message for you. And you know, like any other, you know, well-minded father I know would wanna be involved in, you know, his child, or I mean to a degree any child's life, because, you know, children are the innocent part of our existence. So she's an awesome young lady and her son, you know, I embrace them as, you know, child and grandchild. And she's been for me when I was at, um, you know, some of my hardest times in life, just like my other daughter. And, you know, yeah, and I love her, I appreciate her, you know what I'm I'm definitely rooting for her for the results to come back as my child. I mean, even if the result didn't come back, she would still be a daughter to me, so.

Oh wow. So why did you ask for a paternity test on Davion?

Well, I mean, you know, for us that are fathers, like, you know, some people, like, they sow their oats and, you know, they lay children around and they just run. Travel, you know, the Rolling Stone whole stigma, you know? And I didn't want to be that guy, you know? 'Cause, you know, children, you know, they need awareness and acceptance of their roots and where they come from. Like, who wants to feel like unwanted or unclaimed, you know? Like, I've had my own challenges.

So, you know. Well, listen, Davion, your mother Diana is here. Diana, I want to say welcome to the show. Diana, you told Davion another man was her father. Why?

When I got pregnant with Davion, I was only 16. I had her at 17. Got it. I wasn't with, we wasn't never in a relationship. It was sexual. When I found out I was pregnant with her, he was nowhere in the picture. He was nowhere around. I ended up meeting someone that took that place of her being the father figure for 19 years. So I really didn't, think about even questioning nobody else. He was there and that was just it. Once he passed away, then it was more of, okay, she's more worried about it than I am. I've been there 28 years, I've done it, I'm not worried about it.

But you can understand why she's worried about it. That's her identity. She has to wanna know where she comes from.

And that's why I told her, like, I have someone that I need you to talk to. This is potentially your father. And once they got together with each other, I just stepped back. And she wants to know, I told her to call your show. That's how we're here. And it is what it is.

I hear that. Well, thank you for calling the show.

Laura, it's great to tell you, having her call the show.

Before we get to the results to solve Davion's DNA mystery, I wonder what everyone is feeling right now.

I'm just waiting for the results. I ain't even come here for all this.

Yeah, 'cause it's not about you.

I'm not, damn, is your name Karamo? Like you wanna do the whole thing, you might sell her whole department. It's not about you.

You know what?

I'm gonna go off your show before she even be here no more.

I'm gonna ask you something. I wanna ask you this. I know y'all have had y'all's history in your past, but you've had a relationship with your father, you're rebuilding one. I know you said he wasn't there for a lot of your life. Can you understand that right now is a moment for her where she's outside of you two and the things that you all went on. She's looking for her father right now. You wanna answer the clear, Karamo?

When Davion was 5 or 6 years old, I let Napoleon know that I had a daughter. And when I told him that day, like I said, after that he disappeared. I'd never seen him again. So that's another reason why he wasn't brought into the situation so early in the game.

Got it, got it, got it.

Can I say something?

Yes, you can.

All right, so like this is, So y'all getting a view into what I, what I go through regularly at the home front. Like, between them two, like, whenever I get the courage enough to try to mesh them together a little bit. Um, yeah, so like me and Davey on my precious, like, we lost contact and, um, I had got incarcerated for a long period of time at a young age. And so, yeah, I wasn't aware. I don't want it to look like, you know, I knew and I didn't care. She did reach out and then we lost contact and—

Yeah, and that is true, confirmed, yeah. So I gotta, how old are you? 28. And how old are you? 28. Oh wow, okay.

So he was busy, he was busy, right? And I have another daughter that's 28. And I have another daughter that is 28.

Wow, okay. Okay. Okay. I mean, listen, I mean, I'm hearing your story, you know what I mean? And hearing, I wanna make sure, like, again, like, you were what, 17 when you had? Yeah, I was 16. 16.

Oh, 16. I had both of them, they were 6 months apart.

Yeah, so I'm sure you were looking for your own love, your own support, you were trying to figure out your own life. Yeah, that's about right. Yeah, so I get it, I understand what's going on. It's, you know, like, you weren't, 40 having multiple kids the same age. This was a young teen that was confused. I always like to give context because it's easy for us all to be like, what was, hold on, you got that many? But you know, we have to look at the things that led us here. I think it's time to get to the truth and solve Davion's DNA mystery.

You all ready for this?

Would you like to come down here and be next to your daughter while she does this? So I already know you're hoping this is not your sister. You say you know it's not your sister. You're hoping that this is your sister? You're feeling confident that this is her father? Yes. Yes. All right, well this is your truth to open.

He's on the phone with me.

He has his finger crossed for you.

I just hope that if it does come back that we are sisters, that we can get past this.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. I just don't stop trying to, you know.

I appreciate you being open. I appreciate that.

Thank you.

Open it, girl. Mom, what does it say?

He's not—

oh, it's okay.

I'm not—

it's okay.

I'm sorry.

It's okay, you still a baby girl. You still my— good job, son. Good job, son. Good job, Jesse. Good job, baby. Still family union. You still won. Good job, y'all. I'm proud. I'm impressed. That's what that is— Black excellence.

I'm just tired of keep on getting close to people and I lost a sibling, so it's kind of like, oh, I'm sorry. I know I came off kind of hard to you, but it's just that I lost a sibling already, so.

What's your son's name?

I apologize to y'all. I deeply thought that was, I was young. I thought that was her father. He's not, there's nothing I can do about it.

I mean, okay. I know you, you always been a good woman. I know you, I already know, I ain't mad. You still my baby girl anyway.

Davion, what are you feeling right now? Here you go, love. Here you go.

Still love you. Love you, baby. It's okay. Love you, baby.

You ain't gotta worry about it. You good.

I mean, you good. Love you, Davion.

Love you too.

I know that's not the news you wanted to hear. That's not what I wanted to hear either. I wanna say thank you to Napoleon for being here. Mom, do you have any other answers of who you think her father could be?

Like I said, I was 16 years old. The person that I thought before Napoleon wasn't, I don't, I'm not even trying to think about it.

Was there something traumatic attached to that?

No, I guess it was just me being young and wild, I guess.

Do you know how to contact this man?

No, I don't know.

I have no idea. It's like I'm 28. Of course, I mean, I feel hurt.

Yeah.

But I mean, my mom been there since I was little. And I had a father figure, you know, but he's gone and—

And no matter what, you gonna still be our sister, so.

I know this is about the DNA. But since there's a moment of vulnerability here, can you apologize for the past? 'Cause she came over and hugged you. Can you apologize for the things you did? Yeah, I apologize. Yeah, me too.

Thank you.

I know this is not the news you wanted to hear, but you've protected your children from ever feeling this pain. I want you to focus on them and know that I'm here for you to help you. If your mother comes up with some more names to help you to figure out. I do believe you deserve this. I also appreciate you in this moment being strong but also vulnerable to make up right here. I'm sure this was weight and like energy that neither of y'all needed and now y'all can release that and move on. And that's a beautiful thing for both of y'all. But I'm here to support you in this journey if you need it, okay?