Have I Been Lied To About My Father For 44 Years? | KARAMO

All right, so how did you find out that Larry may not be your father?

My mom told me about a white man in some overalls and Larry cracked jokes about it and he said he might not be because of the freckles in my face and then his sidekick, his wife. Yeah, the hack. I call her a hack cookie, but you know. She said it also, so.

Okay, okay. So your mother made this claim that another man could be the father, a white man. And then Larry cosigned it with jokes.

Yeah.

Okay, but those type of jokes weren't funny to you.

I don't think it is a joke through the things I have been through. Cookie, she know.

So Cookie, you're Larry's current wife, correct?

Yes, sir, I am.

Okay, and so this is a woman that raised you or was in your life your entire life?

Well, she been with him since I was 2.

Okay, so this woman has been in your life your entire time.

You wasn't 2, my baby was 2, you was 1. Okay, well, from my knowledge, man, I was 2 when you used to—

And so I can say this, y'all entire life, y'all have had never gotten along, on and off. Okay. So how do you feel about this? So when you heard this joke that Larry, or her mother saying that Larry was not the father, what was your thoughts?

Well, he had already said to himself that I'm not for sure she's my baby.

Oh, so you've heard this before?

Okay.

Over the years.

But she always been my baby.

Okay.

I raised 7 of her kids. You didn't raise them, Cookie. I might have had you to babysit, but when you steal my stuff— I dropped them off at my house, and that's it. The garage. The garage. The garage. And left them. The garage. That's it.

Got it.

The garage.

This is so odd that y'all have a bad relationship if she's been there and you've dropped your kids off. There's another layer there that I picked up.

You know what, Cookie? No, you talk to him right now. It doesn't matter. I could talk to you, him, or whoever. I am grown now. I'm not a kid. You're not talking to me, you're talking to him. And you still a thief. You're a thief. You're a thief.

Okay. Is Larry the only father you've ever known?

Yes, he is.

Okay, so he's been in your life your entire life. Tell me about your childhood.

I had to grow up very fast as a child. Okay. I started having kids at 15. I would've had 18 kids, but I had 8. 4 boys, 4 girls, 1 boy deceased. Cookie, you have 1 child, you gave up your child to be a hoe for my daddy, whatever, if he is my daddy. Get your shit straight. You get it straight, you get it straight.

So you had to grow up fast, is what I just heard. I understand that, I hear that.

And so Cookie did teach me how to do paperwork, to check myself in school, in and outta school. I finished school, I'm very educated. Cookie, you know, you full of shit.

Okay, so how was Larry as a father? I feel you. So how was Larry as a father?

Like I said, he'd been in and out my life. I never knew his background. She covered it up for him. That she did do.

Got it. Until I got old enough to figure out who he was and what it was.

Who he was and what he was.

Got it.

You know what I'm saying? And by me being homeless or whatever, going to him for help, Yeah, I did come to your house. I lived in your garage. Okay, so he'd be in your garage. But when the man ran me into the brick wall, so I still deal with your butt. When the man ran me into the brick wall, Cookie, you ain't got nothing to do with that. You was all out of your mind trying to make some money, and damn gonna run you and the white man into the brick school wall. Okay, let's get it.

So how would Larry respond when you tell him what you were going through?

He gonna surprise— I don't know how he gonna respond.

No, when you were, when you, when you were younger, how, how did Larry respond?

I was always been the daddy's I was a little girl, so I always looked up to saying for my dad, where my dad, where my dad, where my dad?

Yeah, you wanted your father around, but he wasn't there for you from the beginning.

He was in jail.

He was in jail.

So she covered it up with the cars or whatever, whatever, so I wouldn't know or whatever. But when I got older, I figured things out. He never wanted me to know his past.

So is that the resentment that I'm feeling from you and Cookie?

The resentment is she lied, she stole my memories. You a thief. Even my kids know you steal things.

Got it.

You stole my baby dolls, my teddy bears, my pictures.

So when Dad was in jail, Cookie basically raised you all those times you needed help?

She ain't raise me, I raised my damn self.

I got you, you raised yourself, but Cookie was the only adult that was kind of around during that time.

No, she wasn't.

She wasn't?

There was a lot of adults around me.

There was a lot?

The streets, the streets. He never protected me like he's supposed to. You know what I'm saying?

Yes, ma'am.

If he would've, I probably would've been what I supposed to been, you know? And that's the base of the story. You's a hat, Cookie, you full of—

I love you too, whatever. Why is getting these results important to you?

So I can have closure within my soul.

Okay, what's making you emotional right now?

There's nothing emotional. She should've stayed her tail at home is what it is. That's why I was married to your dad, to help you and your kids, 'cause you didn't do it. You married to my daddy 'cause you married to my daddy, if he is my dad. I don't know. That's between you and him. You the one, that's what it is. You put me in it. Not me. I'm the child, like I always tell you. You ain't no child now. You 50 years old now. It doesn't matter if I get 50, 60, whatever. I'm still a child. You ain't gonna never be a child no more. You need to grow up. No, you need to grow up.

So I wanna hear what Larry has to say about all of this. Everyone, please welcome Larry to the show so we can hear his side of the story.

How you doing, sir?

How you doing, sir?

You look nice.

Nice to meet you.

The nerve you got to say about Cookie.

The nerve? What she gotta say about me? Have a seat.

Outside of their relationship, how do you feel about what she said? She said that as a child, she didn't have you there to protect her, and that also that in the recent years, she feels like you've been denying her identity and saying that you're not her father.

That's a big lie.

Okay, tell me.

Her mama took her away from me.

Okay.

Okay. Look. Whoa, whoa, whoa, come on. Look. I'm talking.

Okay.

You wanna know, right?

Well, don't talk about my mama 'cause you only get one. Your mama, I'm telling you right now. You only get one. Talk about your wife. Still in my name.

My wife, not your mama.

So Alicia is your only child?

Yes.

Okay.

When my child was born, I was there.

Yeah.

Day one.

Your name ain't on my birth certificate.

What's her name?

Ain't nobody name on my birth certificate.

What her name? What her name?

I got your last name, but your last name—

Why did your mom give it to me?

Give it to you?

Ask your mother then. I did ask her. I asked her the same question I asked you.

You're gonna find out.

Okay, have you told Alisha she's not your daughter before?

I went along with what mom said, you know.

That ain't what he asked.

And plus, and plus.

That ain't what he asked. Answer the question. Have you told me you're not my dad before?

Yes, I have.

Oh, exactly.

You wanna know why? You wanna know why? You wanna know why?

That part right there.

Don't you wanna know? Why?

Why?

Which one is it? You my daddy or you not?

'Cause outta all my little nieces, baby, and my brother's kids, my sister's kids.

What that got to do with me and you?

I wanna know now. I wanna know.

Okay, well, keep it 100.

That's why I told you.

Keep it 100.

So what is it? Because of the fact that your nieces and nephews have a different love concept?

Her mother told me that. Her mother told me.

Her mother told you that? Right. Okay. Do you take any responsibility for Alicia having a hard life?

No.

You don't?

'Cause her mom kept her away from me.

So she hurt your feelings.

Too bad that I couldn't be with her.

I understand she hurt your feelings. Your feelings were valid at the time. You're a young man. But how does that reflect on you then deciding to not be in her life? That's the part I don't understand.

I have been in her life.

Okay.

And all her kids.

So you feel like he wasn't in your life though?

How I wasn't in your life?

He was in and out of my life.

'Cause I take a fall?

Darryl, we not talking about your fall. Wait, wait, that's all we— We not talking about you taking a fall. I never knew about your falls until I got like 11 years old 'cause your wife run her mouth too much.

That's my wife!

Okay, what I'm saying is you always—

You jump on my wife in front of my wife's house.

You always covered it up.

Of course my wife don't want you around.

Of course.

Okay, you can't come in my house and jump on my wife.

Jump on your wife? Your wife spit in my face. Your wife spit in my face. Excuse me. I'm coming down the street.

Everything you talk about, you should hate it. You little girl.

I just want you to know how nasty lying you are. Cookie, you didn't spit in my face. I'm coming down the street, you came out your auntie door and kicked me in my back like I was crazy. Cookie, you did not spit in my face. And then put me in the middle of the street and fight me like a crazy woman. I'm never lying to you.

Did she?

Did she? And then you took care of your kids and let your black brother come around the house You dropped me my baby.

Let me know this. Did you live with, did you live with, did you live with Larry and Kiki? When you were, what?

You ain't been with your kids.

Did you live with Larry and Kiki when you was 2?

Come on.

I don't know where they had me when I was 2. I remember when I was 2 years old, she had me in the corner.

So you did live with the baby?

When I had to use the bathroom, you was torturing me. I remember that. Tell your husband, tell your husband. I raised 7 grandkids and have they been tortured? 7 grandkids? You mean my 7 kids?

My 7 grandkids?

If they was right here, they would tell you. Hold on, hold on, hold on.

Call my baby. Call my baby.

Call my baby. They're mine.

You had them.

Alicia, Alicia, I wanna know this.

You have.

Do you want that to be your father?

It really doesn't matter.

Do you want her to be your daughter?

Of course I do.

You do?

No matter what.

Because this has been a DNA mystery that's happened for many years, and I'm sure in your mind you're wondering, was it because I wasn't his child? Is that the reason I had to go through all of this? Am I close?

No.

A little bit.

No, I'm sure I'm dead on.

I just wanna know the truth.

Yeah, I hit it on the nose. Here we go. And here's the DNA truth. And this is the DNA truth, Alicia, that you've been waiting your life for. And this is your truth to open right now. Here you go.

You ready?

Baby, come on with it. I'm ready. It doesn't make a difference.

It does make a difference.

You want to know, baby? It does.

Why it don't make a difference?

Because I love you, baby.

You don't love me, Daddy. If you love me, you would listen to me and stop listening to other people.

See, look at her, look at her, look at her.

That's the point I'm getting here. It's gonna take me to get 1,000 miles away for you to pay attention to me because of her.

You showed me different times.

What's wrong with you? You jealous? That's your daddy, girl. You can't control your daddy. You can't control your kids.

Alicia, that's the pain I was talking about of why this answer. And you need closure.

So, are you ready?

There's been pain.

Come on, baby, let's go with it.

There's been pain.

Can I?

Yes, it's yours to open.

I'm stuck with your ass forever.

I told you that.

I told you that.

I told her that. I told her that. But I don't want it.

You still owe me an apology.

I don't want it. I don't want it. I don't want it.

You still owe me an apology, man.

I don't want it.

You still owe me an apology. You supposed to treat me like— Look, if I'm your child, you supposed to listen to me. Not nobody else.

You supposed to listen to me, baby.

I do listen to you.

You the daughter, baby.

I listen to you.

I'm the father, right?

If somebody hurting me, Larry, you supposed to listen to me.

Okay, that's just it. Because what just happened and I saw it as it happened and I see the tears coming out.

Shut up.

I love you too. I see the tears coming out. No, you need to hear this.

Oh yeah.

Because this is exactly what I just expressed.

44 years old, you ain't never told me you love me.

It's hard for me to say that.

It's hard. You ain't never said I love you. I say, Daddy, I love you.

I chose you, baby. I chose you. You ain't chose me. I've been there for you.

You ain't chose me.

Made your life.

But you hear me?

Every Christmas. Every Christmas you there.

Daddy, that's material things. That's material things.

Act like a baby now.

I'm not gonna act like no damn baby so y'all can attack me.

I don't need no girl in my life. You hear me?

I'm calling this out for y'all because I understand. You see the strength and all the back and forth? She just said, "I'm not gonna act like a child right now so y'all can attack me." So a child that did not feel like she had support or was heard had to build up a guard and had to be strong. That's all this is we seeing here. And you just said outta your own mouth, you just said outta your own mouth that, "I can't, that's hard for me." And you gotta reconcile that in your own time because what your daughter needs from you is for one day for you to say, "I should have been there. I should have listened. I should have protected you. I should have loved you." And she needs you to say that.

If I say that, she said, "I'm sorry." Okay? If I wasn't there, I wasn't there. It wasn't my fault though. It was your mom's fault, baby. She tucked you away and ran off with you. Not me. I followed you everywhere your mom tucked you. I tried to be there for you.

Listen, here, let me take, come here. Take my hand. Take both my hands and look at me. I am sorry. I know that as a young girl, you did not get protected. And I'm sorry that no one listened to you. And I'm sorry that you had to build up this defense, that you had to do all this stuff to protect yourself when you should have been protected. And if your father's not in a space to fully tell you that right now without blaming your mother, I want to be the man to tell you that, okay?

Thank you.

Thank you. You did deserve it.