He Calls Me Fat, Ugly And Puts Hands On Me! | KARAMO

I met Jesse online. I was on Facebook. Actually, it wasn't a thing of a relationship. I was on Facebook on Marketplace.

Okay, buying something.

Yeah, looking for equipment because I'm an entrepreneur. Long story short, she ended up not selling it to me, you know, and the equipment was for her husband. Equipment was for her husband. It was on some vindictive stuff. So she was trying to get rid of this stuff and I guess Everything got back right. They were back together, so she didn't sell equipment to him.

Got it.

Okay, and I'd say maybe 5, 6 months later, she reached back out to me. We began a connection as a friendship, and then we began dating.

Hmm, interesting. Okay then, so why are you concerned that she's cheating now? Or I even heard my producer say that you're concerned that she's cheating at work.

Well, because of the reason we met. You know, when we got together, she was still with him.

Okay.

And me and her started dating. So basically she got with me while they were still together and then dismissed him.

But the thing is that's interesting is that she's also accusing you of cheating.

And I'm not.

Are you?

She the one cheating. I'm not cheating.

Okay, okay. You're not cheating at all?

No, sir.

Then where's she's getting that from?

Just her imagination.

Got it.

And she may possibly be, she may possibly be a narcissist. A narcissist would deflect things on you to cover up what they're doing.

Ah.

Yep.

Okay, you speaking my language right there. Jesse claims you were texting and sexting other females just a month into you dating. Is that true?

And I admit I was texting others because the money towards dating, She start withdrawing, things start getting boring, no conversation, you know? So I kind of felt like, man, what's going on? Why she not interacting with me like I am with her? Why she not bringing me the same energy I'm bringing her?

Got it.

So I start getting bored with her.

Got it. And you and Jesse live together, right?

That's right.

Are you engaged?

I'm engaged.

And do you want to get married?

Possibly.

Possibly?

Yeah.

Okay, what's the possibly?

The possibly is it's a lot that, she'd have to change in order for us to get married. First, the self-centeredness, the selfishness, and she gotta get her priorities right. Invest your money. I mean, it's good to make money, but if you ain't investing it, where you going?

Okay, that's the truth. Okay, how long have you two been together again?

It's 2 and a half going on 3 years.

Almost 3 years, got it. Okay then. And Jesse claims you've called her names. Like ugly and bad mom?

I have. Okay. I have.

So you have called her names?

And that's out of anger. When we get in arguments, she call me things, so I call her things back.

You told my producers that Jessie comes home and just wants sex from you. Is that true?

Yeah, man, that's all. That make her happy when something like that go on.

I know, yeah.

I know, I know. When something like that go on, she happy. Other than that, there's nothing going on there.

Got it.

Nothing going on.

That's it, that's it. So she doesn't wanna have a conversation with you, is that?

She don't wanna talk at all.

Well listen, Jerry's fiancée, Jessie, is here. So everyone welcome Jessie to the show. How are you doing?

Boy, you frontin' and lyin' all up front.

Man, if you don't sit down somewhere.

Sexin' off.

Yeah, that's what you do.

It ain't even that great.

Man, if you don't sit down.

Did you just say the sex ain't that great?

You the one that said it's not that great.

You said it ain't.

He's the one that always initiates it. I said it ain't that great. Because the feelings aren't there anymore.

On your end, it ain't that great. On your end, it ain't that great.

As much as they used to be.

I can't tell. I cannot tell it ain't that great. What happened last night?

You initiated it.

All right then.

You wanted some ass.

All right then.

Yeah, okay.

It ain't that great.

You told my producers that Jerry treated you like a queen in the beginning.

He did.

Tell me about it.

And he still does sometimes.

I know I do.

He still does sometimes.

He still does. And what did you find in Jerry's phone and computer?

So there's one particular girl. I found out that he went out of town to go see her in my car while I was at work, no less. And then was late picking me up from work.

I told you before I left.

Then come to find out, whenever I went through his phone, this same chick, he's sexting and telling that he misses her. And he wants to hold her.

And I told you before I left.

And he can't go stay the night with her because it's in my car.

Well, you wasn't there for nobody to hold.

I was always there.

You was always quiet, playing on your phone, and ain't got nothing to do.

I wonder why, because I have to walk on eggshells around you. Your anger is that fucked up. Yeah, my anger fucked up when you push my buttons. No, anything pushes your buttons. Anything does.

Anything don't push my buttons.

You're a liar.

You push my buttons with the stuff you pulling out here. That's who push my buttons.

So what stuff am I doing? Cheating.

You got me.

But yet I go to work and I come home.

But you don't do nothing. When you come home, what we talk about? What do you discuss?

But I'm cheating.

What do you discuss?

I don't do nothing, but I'm cheating.

Do you believe Jerry could still be cheating?

Recently, like the past month or so, I've been building a little bit of trust with him.

Okay.

Now about 2, 3 months ago, his ex came in the picture. And he was sexting her and trying to connect back with her.

And tell 'em what time that was. That was around the time me and her had an argument and we was planning on splitting.

Okay.

But we didn't split. Once she seen that I was talking back with my ex, because I was so ready to split, once she seen that, she intervened.

Got it.

She wanted to stop.

He wasn't ready to split, I was ready to split.

All the women that I was dealing with before I met her, cut 'em off just for her. I sacrificed.

Got it.

She made no sacrifice for me. I sacrificed my friends. All the guys she been dealing with, she's still dealing with them.

Is that true? You're still dealing with the men? I know you said you sacrificed. My coworkers.

Yeah, coworkers or not.

My coworkers.

They still can have sex. People have sex at work.

At work?

Yes.

He says that I'm having sex at work.

It's work release people work at work, at jobs. Come on, man.

You said you called—

That's no excuse.

You said Jerry has called you demeaning names. Like what?

He's called me fat. He said that I'm not attractive anymore.

I done called her baby seal, but that's when she angered me. That's when she angered me.

Well, actually, that's a pet name that you call me. That ain't when you did that.

Yeah, I done called her baby seal, monkey-looking baby, all kind of stuff. I done did that because when she anger me, I want her to feel the same evil stuff she dish out. She need to get it back.

Why do you want her to feel that? Why?

Because she hurt— if you hurt me, I feel like you should feel some hurt too. You do a lot that's not in line.

Really?

You disrespectful just as well as I'm disrespecting you back because you're disrespectful.

So why you keep putting your hands on me?

Because you put your hands on me.

You a lie. I never put my hands on you.

You put your hands on me so I'mma put it on you.

I started defending myself when you was choking me out.

You put your hands on me so you get my hands put back on you. Lies. That's just how that go. Sometime a woman will put theyself in a man place. I think she thinks she a man.

And he thinks that women are demeaning.

No, I respect the woman that's here today.

He don't respect anybody.

I respect people, man.

What does Jerry need to do for you all to be able to get married?

I have to be able to trust him. I've been married twice. Both of those husbands, they cheated on me.

But you can't take that out on me.

Just 'cause you don't want to deal with your child, I don't need to deal with your child. I told you everything about me in the beginning. I told you everything about me. I explained everything about my mental issues. I explained everything to you.

Yeah, but the thing is you taking what other people did out on you on me.

Well, Jesse, you told my unlock the phone investigators that you wanna know if Jerry is cheating with the woman that's under his phone listed as bitch, if he's cheating with her and if he's sending nudes and if he's sexting other women and if he's communicating with other women at all, period. Well listen, I think before we can get into any of this relationship, you all want answers about what's on your phone. So I think it's time to unlock the phone.

Let's do it.

Jesse, we're gonna unlock your phone first. Okay? So Jerry, you want to know if she was cheating with her exes, coworkers, or any other men. Jesse says she is not. My Unlock the Phone investigator searched through all of these things, texts, apps, DMs, and she is telling the truth. She is not talking to anyone on any text, any social app, anywhere at all. How do you feel about that knowing that we've searched both deleted and current messages and we could find nothing?

I'm thankful.

Yeah.

Thankful.

What do you feel about that?

I mean, I know that I haven't been doing anything. I love him. Whenever I love someone, I genuinely love them.

Yeah.

I give them all of me. Now he knew from the beginning the type person that I was because I explained to him, I'm not a big talker, I don't trust people.

What's making you emotional right now?

Because, I mean, he calls me hoes and bitches all the time.

And you're not it.

And I'm not.

Do you ever ask yourself what you deserve?

I do.

You do? And what answer do you come to when you ask yourself what you deserve?

I don't know what I deserve anymore.

Yeah.

Yeah. And that's a great place to start. That's a great place to start. But we'll get back to that. We'll get back to that. Because right now you need your answers as well. Because we've unlocked Jerry's phone and you wanna know what's going on with him, correct?

All right.

Jerry, here we go. So Jesse wants to know if you are cheating with the person in your phone listed under bitch. He said he is not. My Unlock the Phone investigator searched your texts and found that he is not telling the truth. 2 months ago, He exchanged texts asking for a kiss. Jesse wants to know if he's sending nudes. He says he's not. My unlock the phone investigator searched through his photos and found that he is not telling the truth.

Really?

He sent and deleted sexually explicit photos as recent as a month ago.

To who? To you.

To you.

You don't send me nudes.

Come on, man.

They weren't me.

The lies you tell.

Okay. Jesse wants to know if he was sexting other women. He says he's not. My Unlock the Phone investigator searched his DMs and found that he is not telling the truth. He's been sexting 4 different women on TikTok.

Oh, okay. That doesn't surprise me, not one bit.

Okay.

'Cause he's an attention whore.

Jesse wants to know, you want to know if he's communicating with other women. He says he's not. My Unlock the Phone investigator searched his phone and found that again, he is not telling the truth. He has a singles-only dating number, dating offer hotline 1-800 number saved in his phone. So he's texting other women.

Really?

That's what I'm saying.

But you love me?

Really?

But you love me?

I don't wanna hear it.

Yeah, you embarrassed right now. You look at stupid.

I ain't embarrassed. 'Cause the truth came out. What am I embarrassed for? I told you already I was sick.

You didn't tell me.

I told you about the situation with you.

You recently was doing all this. You didn't tell me none of this. None of this. That just came up.

You said that in the past month you've been trying to rebuild your trust and you've been rebuilding it with him. I have. And then so these things being heard and found within that month sort of just breaks that trust again.

Absolutely.

One of the very interesting things that's said, Jerry, when you came out here is you said that a narcissist will deflect and put things on other people.

Thank you.

So it's looking like me, okay.

Thank you.

Those are your own words.

I said it. You said it.

I said it. I said it.

I said that.

I said it and I stand on it. But I'm not deflecting. I'm not deflecting.

Well, you've been telling her she's been cheating and we found nothing in hers, but yet we found everything on your phone.

Right.

So you haven't been deflecting and you've been making her feel bad about her behavior when she's been doing nothing, when in actuality you've been the one doing everything.

And that's what I've been suspecting the whole time.

Jerry, thank you so much for being on my stage.

Yes, sir.

I appreciate you. You can leave. Yeah, thank you so much. I'm gonna spend a little bit of time with the people. Come close. Come close, come close. I didn't know it was on his phone, but I could've saw the smile coming. I could've saw the smile coming. And I think you saw the smile coming as well, but you just never practice what you need to practice. And I asked you before I even read those what you deserve. Do you think you deserve any of that?

I don't. I know I'm a good woman. I might be emotionally messed up.

Don't even, nope, don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. You just were vindicated and shown what a good woman you are. You don't need to put some caveat of like, of something else someone tells you. Don't do that. I'm a brand new person who just met you and as far as I can see, you are a good woman, point blank, period. There's nothing else that has to come after that statement. I mean, I heard the minute he said, Well, I can't communicate with her. I can't talk to her. And then you immediately said, well, I'm on eggshells. I've expressed to you no more making excuses for men in your life. You need to just excuse those men from your life. Repeat this with me. Repeat this with me. I'm going to stop making excuses for men in my life. I'm going to stop making excuses and I'm going to start excusing them from my life.

And I'm going to start excusing them from my life. You hear me?

I wish you the best of luck, all right?

Thank you.

All right, everyone, thank you for being with us. Make sure to come back next time, friends, so we can keep talking and we can keep growing. I love you all. And I love you, too.