He Played Victim… Then Got Dragged Backstage! | KARAMO

Get outta my life and stay outta my life and leave me and my family alone and you're out of my house. Bye, Josh.

You know, we unlock the truth on this stage and when guests leave this couch, sometimes there's a whole other show that goes on behind the scenes. Take a look at some never-before-seen backstage moments. Why would your woman say you're cheating if it's not true?

I was drinking and I was with my brother and Fon and we were having a, Little heated argument.

Yeah.

And I said that I slept with another woman and it was your daughter.

Are you—

Hold on, hold on, the layers. You said that you said, "I'm sleeping with another woman," and you told her that it was her daughter?

Yes.

Why would you say that it was her daughter?

Because I was drunk and I was not in my right state of mind and I should never have said those words.

Okay, hold on. So I gotta back up. Have you ever cheated on Fawn before?

No.

Never?

Nope.

Never? Never. Okay.

Why would I cheat on the woman that I love?

So I know this moment you said that, but outside of like, that's a very big accusation to say like, you're her daughter.

I feel bad that I did that.

Yeah.

And I never should have done that.

Yeah.

But I've been sober for almost a year and it's, you know, 8 months. Congratulations.

Wow.

And I don't wanna live that lifestyle.

Yeah.

It's not a lifestyle that I need to live.

Yeah. So you two got engaged, correct?

Yes, we got engaged.

When did you get engaged?

We got engaged at a Christmas lighting.

Oh, that's beautiful. And what year was this?

This was October 18th, 2022.

'22, okay then, great. And so, and you said you got sober when?

I got sober about a year and about 5 months ago.

A year and 5 months? Yes. Okay, good, okay. A year and 5 months. Has going sober helped your relationship at all? Because I would assume that she could see the change in you.

It has, it has. But she just can't, you know, look past of what I've done.

What you did, okay.

And my actions.

Yeah, what you said. So Fon told my producers that she thinks you pay for sex. No. So I gotta ask you clearly, are you?

No, sir.

Yeah, okay. So Fon says you've slept with family members. Have you?

No, never. I never have. Why would I do this to the woman that I love? Why?

I mean, these are a lot of accusations that are just coming out of everywhere. I understand that you said once you slept with her daughter and you regret that, but like she's saying that there's other family members now.

Yes, she's saying it's her other daughter too.

It's her other daughter as well. What do you say when she accuses you of sleeping with these family members?

I say no, it couldn't be. So why would I do this to you?

And you took a lie detector test to prove your innocence with her like before, right?

I did twice.

Twice?

And I passed for the no cheating, but for making sexual advances to her daughter, I did not pass that. So how did that counteract with that?

Oh, okay, that's interesting.

And I never have done anything with her daughter.

Yeah, or made a pass.

Never made a pass to her, never. And I am never going back to my old way of drinking and drugging.

Okay, yeah. So you unlocked your phone. Are you sure our investigators won't find anything?

I am positive.

Well, I think it's time to hear Fon's side of the story. So everyone, let's welcome Josh's fiancée to the show. Hi.

How are you?

Good, how are you? Thank you for being here. Take a seat for me. You look great.

Okay, thank you.

So what do you think of what Josh has been saying? What are you saying?

He is lying.

Okay.

He's been cheating from day one and you lied to him about what you said about my daughter. We were at Applebee's and she was there. We ran into both of my girls and the guy came in sitting next to my daughter. Oh, who's this, da da da.

Oh, so it was like sort of a jealous reaction is what you're saying.

Yeah, literally. He sat back and was mad. Who's this now, da da da. And I said, why are you so upset? And he literally said, 'Cause I slept with your daughter. He's done it when he was drunk and he's done it when he was sober.

Oh, so you've said this several times?

For 3 years. No, I've only said this once. No, you've been saying this for 3 years and I've been catching everything. And yes, you are paying for sex 'cause there was one girl for $900-some-odd.

On your phone.

But that was not me.

Yes.

My brother hacked into my phone 'cause he said he wanted to get back at me.

So what did your brother want to get back at you for?

'Cause he slept with.

Is that true? Did you sleep with your brother's?

This was a long time ago, yes. So I, again, was drinking.

Yeah, you need to just be a man and stand up and be real.

I have been real.

'Cause I've had it. If you cannot tell Karamo everything, and you don't get help or do what you have to do, we're done. Just last night, he came at me and said he slept with my daughter.

Again, last night?

He was drunk and his words was, "I'm not gonna stop sleeping with your daughter." I said, "I will not." He has not said or touched me or done anything sexual or anything to me in months. And when he gets drunk and he does things, he manipulates women. He's manipulating me. He's been manipulating me. No, you've been manipulating me this whole time and you done ruined my soul and my heart. And a woman needs to know about a man like you.

But I'm not like this, Juan.

I'm not like this.

And that's why I choose Karamo because Karamo is a real man and he understands what men and women do to each other if they're wrong.

You need to find out that I'm not like this.

That's why I chose him. I'm the one that called you. And the thing is, is that he broke his other phones. I broke the other one. He has took his other phones and he had no problem coming here, bringing the phone because it's new and that's what it is. And he's also hacked into my phone. Hold on. He's hacked into my phone and all my stuff went to his Google account and it's nothing but porn. OnlyFans and all types of women on my Facebook and everything.

It was my brother that did this.

I'm telling you the truth. It's his brother hacking into my phone.

I'm telling you the truth. I've never done anything with any woman.

Watch, in a minute he won't have no tears. Where's your tears? Where's your tears? Where's your tears? Okay. I'm wiping them off. I love you so much. I'm a godly man, but I will cheat on you. And then we were watching a show, your show, and a person says, I love her so much, I would never cheat on her. His words were, you can love somebody and still cheat.

I will not, those aren't my words. Those aren't my words, Karamo.

Have you ever said that? No.

And he's done it more than once, Karamo.

Karamo. Has he ever called you by another woman's name?

Yes. While we were having sex, he calls me my daughter's name.

Oh, never have. I've never had.

And he fantasizes about her. He has called me my daughter's name more than 5 times.

I never have.

In bed.

I never have.

In bed.

Are you concerned Josh is cheating on you and not being safe?

He is because not once.

That he's not being safe.

Yes, not once but twice he has gave me an STI, a sexually transmitted infection. And he's blaming me on my cyst.

She has a cyst That we both went to the doctors and you know that and it caused an infection.

That's not what it is. And how can I forgive you for saying you slept with my daughter and again last night said you will never stop sleeping with her?

I said no, I never will.

He's lying.

Will you marry him if you find out he's cheating?

No. No.

No. No.

I wouldn't either.

You will leave me and my family alone.

Is it possible, 'cause I always have to see both sides. I try to be fair.

Yeah, I know.

I'm taking notes. Is it possible that he just made one Well, 2, 3 mistakes.

He did.

And that they would just accept it.

And I accepted it. Okay, you wanna do it again? Okay. Nope, he keeps on doing it. And you're gonna keep on crying and you're doing Cry Me a River because I don't believe you no more.

I can't cry.

Is that why you call him, 'cause you call him a manipulative liar, Mike. Yeah. Is it because he's trying to show his emotion?

No, it's because he's lying about these emotions. No, he's not. That's what it is. I love a man that can show their emotions. I'm not manipulating you, Fon.

Josh, it's time to get to your unlock the phone. Are you ready for this? Yes. All right, well, here we go. Fon, you want to know if Josh is cheating with 3 specific women. Josh says he's not.

I'm not.

My unlock the phone investigator searched his texts and found he's telling the truth.

That's 'cause it's a new phone. But you said it was texted to somebody on Wednesday.

Gotta know, is it after something?

Von, you want to know if Josh is cheating with a family member. Josh says he's not. My Unlock the Phone investigators searched his calls and found?

Probably nothing, 'cause it's a new phone.

He's telling the truth.

You need to believe me.

Von, you also want to know if Josh is active on dating apps. Josh says he's not.

I'm not, I know I'm not.

My Unlock the Phone investigators searched his apps and found? He's telling the truth.

I know, I told you, Fawn, I'm not.

I don't believe this.

So she's not gonna be vindicated.

I don't believe this.

She's not gonna be vindicated.

I'm telling you, Karamo, this is a new phone. He's not gonna be stupid because he knew I wanted this phone.

She just said recently I told her daughter that I love her.

He's erased all of his stuff. Well, there is something very interesting that my investigator did find that you wanted me to know. 200 text messages he's deleted and he's on my phone. My unlock the phone investigator did say that he's never seen a phone so clean. And he said Josh had 6,230 deleted phone exchanges from Google Duo in the past 2 days. I knew it. I knew it. And I gave you a phone number myself. The day we took the phone and the day before. You was trying to be hype.

You know what?

I wanna defend you right now, but you wanna know what?

I'm gonna be a lady right now.

6,000 messages. 6,000.

I told you.

But they can't see if they're her daughter or not.

Oh, yes they are.

So because it's a separate app, what it looks like for my investigator is that you wipe your phone. You keep the phone clean of any other messages.

You are pathetic outside.

And then you're with this app.

Yes. Oh, what's this doing? I knew it. Guess what, papi? You're right.

My wife, my wife.

Ron, also, you brought your phone here for my Investigator Unlocked. Yes. Because she had, you had screenshots from Joss's phone.

He deleted them.

He said he deleted them.

I did not delete anything.

My investigator did work to pull them up, and here's what we found.

Yeah, they're all deleted. Those are from my cousin.

The messages that you screen grabbed from his phone or that they were on your phone?

No, those were on my message messenger.

When you all shared it.

And the ones that I screenshotted on his thing, the 200 and some odd pictures that he deleted. And obviously there's a lot more. He was deleting them. I didn't delete any pictures. He is hacking my phone all the time.

This is why I wanna take a lie detector test to prove this to her.

But you already said you took a lie detector test and you said you took twice. But why if you took two lie detector tests and you didn't like the results, Will we give you another lie detector test when you've already proven that if you don't get the results you want, that you're going to try to manipulate the situation by saying it's wrong?

Yes.

Yes.

No. Yes. He is right. Yes, he is right.

I'm just going off of your own words. These are the things you told me. Remember, I take notes on this show. So you said, I took it twice. I passed one, I didn't pass the other.

Bye, you're gone. You're out my house.

So the facts are in your phone.

You don't pay bills. You don't do nothing.

But for the fact is that I never—

The facts are in your phone. Let's be real, you know, you didn't need to come on this show because he's not only told you once that he's cheated on you, he's told you 6,000 times.

And I needed, and you're right, no, I wanted to come on this show, you're right, but I needed for you to let me know.

So you can, I wanna see your comments.

And to top it off.

Where I'm gonna guide you all is two different paths.

Yes, yep.

He is a devil's word. I'm gonna tell you, you asked for my, This is performative. Yes, sir. This is performative. No more of the performance. You don't have low self-esteem, so you don't have to pretend with your head down.

He's 10 times better looking than me, he says.

Act like yourself.

I've hurt her and she's been verbally abusive of me and that's brought my self-esteem down.

You don't have low self-esteem. I'm looking at you.

I wasn't mad.

Let me tell y'all something right now. Let me tell y'all something right now.

He's trying to be godly, you guys.

No man walking on this stage with them two earrings got low self-esteem. You ain't got no low self-esteem, okay? So cut it out, cut it out. Again, it's performative. Performative, okay? You ain't got no low self-esteem. Again, you know you don't. You know you don't. What you have is addiction to sex, you have an addiction to lying, you have an addiction to negative behavior. I mean, if you want me to read, I can read. So just let me know. What I'm trying to do is trying to give you the benefit to say what you need to do is when you leave this stage to try to be your most authentic self. And maybe once you own it and stop pretending, then maybe we can get you some help, okay? Thank you. Good luck to both of y'all. All right friends, stay with us. We'll be right back with more.

Thank you.

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I'm feeling hurt, feeling that I know that I've never ever had sex with her daughter. I feel like Karamo didn't give me a fair shake. He just wanted to hear her side of the story and not, fully mine, and I couldn't really get my tears out because of Fawn. These are false accusations. I love her, yes, but she wants me out and she believes Karamo, and I guess we're done completely.

I do want to talk to her because I know, I know in my heart I'm not this person, but she's already convinced that I am. It hurts me so bad.

I want him out of my house, and I don't want him around me or my children or grandchildren at all. I am totally done with this man. I've had it with his lies, and he's a narcissist. I'm done. Josh, I really loved you. I'm just letting you know it's time to grow up and be a man and stop acting like you're 25 when you're 43. Take care, because we are done. That's all I got to say.

Is there any chance—

don't touch me—

any chance in a way you could possibly forgive me?

I'm gonna tell you this, and I'm gonna tell you this right now. I am done forgiving you. And I'm gonna let you know because this is what— this is what I want to do, because I'm not gonna swear because I'm gonna be a lady. Get out of my life and stay out of my life and leave me and my family alone, and you're out of my house. Bye, Josh. I'm done. When we go home, leave me alone and leave me and my family alone and get out of my house. Come on, please. No, Josh. No, Josh.