He Threw Away My Birth Control & Now Denies Our Baby! | KARAMO

So Danielle, you gotta tell me, how did this affair start?

It's a hot mess. Me and Fred, we worked at the Pig Barbecue. I was there for about 22 years. I mean, just little by little, you know, just talking little by little. I'd never, I was in a marriage for 22 years. I never thought of another man, been with another man, nothing before Fred come along. And I was going through some things In my marriage, my grandma was sick. I was taking care of her and he was there for me.

Got it, got it.

So little by little, you know, we got closer and closer and he was Mr. Casanova, you know.

Got it. But why walk away from the marriage and not just try to work it out with your ex-partner?

It just got to the point where I felt like I was playing house and I'm the type of woman, if I feel the need or even have the thought of cheating on you, I don't need to be with you.

Amen, okay, I feel that. So what were you hoping that would happen with you and Fred after you left your ex?

Oh, I expected to have a whole new life.

Yeah.

You know, when I left my husband, I left my husband.

So when did you start having the issues with Fred?

There were just different issues where I allowed his mind to create doubt. He said he would find different things in my phone, different apps and this and that.

What do you mean you allowed his mind to create doubts?

I allowed his mind to create doubts because he says there's different apps in my phone that he would see and I tried to explain to him, if you install an app like WhatsApp, if you go install an app on your phone and you press continue with Google, it will make an app with your email. You put in a password and it creates an app. So when it says there's no history on there, it's because you just literally created the app.

Okay.

Like.

Okay. Got it. And so that caused him to have insecurities?

Yes.

Okay. So you got pregnant and how long was that into you being together?

Well, she's 5 months now.

She's 5 months.

Okay. Yes. We've been together 2 and a half years. So what, a little over a year?

Yeah, a little over a year. Yeah. And how did his family react to you being pregnant?

They were happy. I mean, we all were happy. Everything was great. I mean, it's his first child.

And when did he start first questionin' the baby?

Throughout the whole pregnancy, you know, he was like, "Well, how do I know?" And I'm like, "Are you kidding me? Like how can you even question this? That means you believe I actually have cheated on you or I've been with someone else." And you know, that questions my integrity, my character, who I am.

And why would he doubt being the father though? Like if you always together, there has to be something else there.

The stuff he finds on the phone.

Got it.

Like, and it makes him irritated.

What are you saying? That's the only thing he found on the phone?

Google Maps. He says I'll be at a location or whatever. And like, to me there's always an explanation for everything, but it's not good enough for him.

Fred said you were cheating on him. I gotta ask clearly, have you ever cheated?

Never.

Not once?

Not once.

Okay then.

Never.

Is there any possibility that Fred is not the father?

No.

Not a single possibility?

No.

Well everyone, it's time to hear from Fred. So everyone please welcome Fred to the show. Hey Fred, how you doing, sir? How you doing? Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you too. You look fresh. Thank you. Thank you. So Fred, what do you have to say about what Danielle said?

We had a lot of problems.

Yeah.

And you know, we met at the P.A.'s barbecue and you know, she spent an estimated amount of dollars, money on me. It was more lust than love.

Oh, in the beginning it was more lust than love? Yeah.

Yeah, okay. Yeah, she still was married. I was married, but I had my own place. Got it. But I got my wife, she divorced me. Okay. But not because of this though.

Yeah, no, of course. Yeah, you were already separated, I got it. Right. When did it become love?

It was convincing that when she got her own place and And I said, well, this woman spent like $20,000 on me. She must be love. She must be really love me, you know? What?

So when did it become love for you? It took a minute. It took a minute?

Yeah, 'cause I didn't really take it, I didn't take her serious.

Got it, you didn't take her serious. When you say it took a minute, what do you mean? Like a year and a half?

She had to show me. Mm-hmm, okay.

I was in love from the beginning.

You were in love from the beginning?

Yeah, like I left everything. When I left my husband, I left my husband.

But I didn't tell you to leave your husband. Yeah. Right. You left your own husband. Right.

If I felt the need to cheat on him, I don't know when to be with him. If I felt like I wanted to be with you, I was with you. I wasn't with him.

Yeah, but you making it seem like you left your husband to be with me. I did. But I didn't ever tell you to leave home.

Well, I wasn't gonna be with you and stay home.

I gotta back up. You said she spent $20,000 on you. Isn't that showing you what she cared? No. Like, were you using her as like a sugar mama? No. And no judgment, I'm just asking questions.

Because she still was married. Okay.

And she still was going home. So were you looking at her as a sugar mama?

Yeah. That's how you wanna put it.

Okay. So why don't you believe you're the father?

Because as time goes on, It was just, we argue about men, men pop up. I go through her phone, she's on WhatsApp, she's seeking, Google Chat.

Danielle says you wanted to have a baby with her. Is that true?

Well, it's like this here. I was with my wife for 22 years. It really didn't matter if I did, if I didn't. So it wasn't like we was trying like that, you know what I mean? So I think it was just something that she really wanted. But I'm not gonna deny the fact that, you know, 'cause I know what comes with it. I know what comes with the consequences when you have unprotected sex. So I'm not—

So you knew, but you know, that's—

It was no issue because the issue came around 'cause she tried to hide a pregnancy test from me.

He threw away my birth control pills.

Oh, you threw away her birth control pills?

Is that true? So we were trying to have a child.

Is that true? Did you throw away her birth control pills?

We were trying to have a child.

—child? I probably did. I don't remember.

Well, how do you mean you don't remember? How you don't remember throwing away birth control pills? In all sincerity, you want to have a child, right?

You want to have— he didn't have any.

Yeah, it would make a difference in his life. Fred, is there anything you want to say before we get to the DNA truth?

I hope this is my child, but if it's not, we over with. We're done. Okay. Because it's been a toll on my life.

I hear that. It's been a toll. Yeah. I'm getting a ping alert. Fred, my producer's telling me your ex-wife Sabrina sent us a message. Let's hear what she has to say. Wow.

I was married to Fred for like 13 years and we were together 21. He was cheating on me with Danielle He cheated, she cheated, they cheated together on me. I was a good wife. Now they got this baby in the middle of the, the whole situation, trying to get a paternity test. Don't know if the baby's his. It's crazy. And to top it off, my husband at the time told me they were just having big orgies and sex parties and everything. I saw the baby. The baby does not look like my ex-husband. The baby looks like a Mexican. Danielle, this is what I have to say to you. Next time, stay with your own husband and you wouldn't be going through this kind of stuff now. Now you got a little illegitimate child from somebody else's husband. What goes around comes around.

Okay, so I definitely feel a lot, I can understand A lot of that message I would disregard because it's anger and it's her being upset. But she said that you two had orgies. And the only reason I'm gonna go back to that is because of the fact that you said that you haven't been with any other men. Were you two having orgies together? No. No. Did you say that to her? No. You never said that? No. Okay.

Well, this is my ex-wife. She say anything.

I just wanna make sure because your nose is not convincing me. Did you say that or not? No. No. She can convince her real good. Okay, got it. Okay, I just wanna make sure. Okay, I just wanna make sure.

I have no doubt in my mind he's a father. I get it. And that's the problem. She's a big main problem. Got it. He left his wife, but he ain't leave his wife. Oh. So you still in communication?

Is that how we got the contact information?

Probably.

Yeah.

Yes. I'm sure. Okay. How often y'all in communication?

Whenever I need something.

Whenever you need something?

Money-wise, I mean. It's not like I gotta go see her to get it. She'll cash out. Okay. Yeah, I mean, but I mean—

Well, let's get to the DNA truth right now. That's what we're here for. All right, this envelope is the truth of this is your child or not. Right. I know you said already that if it's not your child, you're ending this relationship. Right. All right, are you ready for this? Yes. Well, this is your truth to open. Here you go.

I think you ought to do the honor. Okay. I think you ought to.

Well, I know what's in this envelope. I know exactly what it says. You sure? I'm dead-ass positive. I know without a doubt in my mind at all.

You sure?

I'm positive. I don't even need to read these results. Can you read the results for us, for everyone to hear? I know what it says. I know what it says. I just wanna look at you whenever he reads it.

Okay. Okay, it's interesting that now that y'all wanna read these results, right? Okay, well, oh. Fred is Kalena's biological father.

I'm sorry for you, dog.

Like I said, I don't need to read the results. Yeah. And I'm sick of everybody else's mouth saying this, that, Mexican, Spanish, whatever the hell they want to say.

It's his child. I can't tell you how many people—

It's ridiculous.

People come on here and all of a sudden they baby Mexican. I tell y'all, everybody on here, they're Mexican.

It is ridiculous. Yeah. I'm like, I mean, it literally drives me insane to my core. Yeah.

Fred, how do you feel about that? She is your daughter.

It's a big relief.

It is a big relief for you?

It's a big relief.

Yeah.

It's a big relief. Yeah. I'm happy.

You're happy? Yeah. Okay, that's good. You're getting a little emotional in your eyes. Yeah, I am. What's going on in your head?

Did it come to this point?

Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Well, I mean, the DNA results can prove that you're the father, but they cannot solve the issues of this relationship. Right. And there's some key things that I've been tracking here that is very important. And you know, for you, you kept saying, "It drives me crazy for anyone to think that I'm this person." Right.

And I think— It questions my integrity.

Yeah.

My character as a woman. Yes. Who I am. Yes. And who I'm not. Like, I'm not that person. Yes, I cheated on my husband. That was—

But you have to understand, that is the foundation of what started this. Right. Of these things. So when you say things of, "Well, I can't believe people think of me this way," there's justification why someone, I don't believe they should continue to label you that because of a choice you made. But you have to understand this.

When I left, I left. That was it.

And you need to just accept like, I understand why you think that way, but I don't need to prove anything to you 'cause I'm not that woman. I don't entertain anybody.

I don't present myself that way.

I'm just, I'm not that woman. The change in language will help you to stop feeling like you have to prove. And that's the thing I want you to learn. But now for you, brother. First of all, I gotta tell you, everything that I witnessed here from, you said outta your mouth, everything I did, I don't want to come back and slap me. I don't wanna look like a sucker. All of these are fear-based statements. You have a fear of being embarrassed for the decision you made. You have a fear of being embarrassed by your family. You feel like you're gonna be embarrassed or played from your ex-wife because of the decision that you decide to make. And that fear is causing you to make accusations with a woman who it seems like, and I'm a pretty good judge of character, has been completely faithful to you. What you're doing is you're trying to push her to prove that she is gonna do that. Look, I knew it. I knew you was gonna do me like you did him. But the thing is, is that she's not doing that with you. She's not saying, I knew you were gonna do me like you did your ex-wife. She's actually trusting you and trying to invest in this relationship. And she deserves a man who's going to try to invest as well. But outside of that, your daughter, now deserves a father who's going to try to invest and respect his mother. But then a bigger piece, you gotta stop using women. And I wish I had a whole show for that. You gotta stop using women, you know that, right, brother? And I know that's probably a pattern in your life that you feel like you got away with. So you got away with her for 20 Gs, you getting away with it with your ex-wife, which I don't know why she doing it. You gonna watch the show to see yourself. Girl, don't give this man no more money. So you have to stop feeling emboldened to use women. Why do you feel like you can and you should?

I mean, it's not like it's a normal thing.

It's a normal thing. You just said, I call my ex-wife every time I want some money. Right. And she's there.

She don't put a stop to it. She entertains it.

I know. Same way you did. Exactly. Same way you did. Yeah.

Y'all are divorced. She left you.

I need you to be a bigger man than that because at this point, and hear me out, brother, and this is really important, you have a daughter and I want you to imagine in 10, 15 years, 20 years, if there's some little raggedy little boy over here getting money outta your daughter, what you gonna do? How you gonna feel? What are you gonna do? Man, we just talked about this. That ain't gonna happen. Why would it? Let me tell you this.

'Cause I already told about, because I'm already letting her know.

No, let me tell you something. She's not going to listen to what you say, she's gonna mimic what you do. And so if she sees you treating women this way, if she sees you doing these things, if she sees her mother, if she sees your ex-wife doing these things, she's gonna think, well, there's a part of this is where how I get love from my father and this is now how I'm gonna get love from men. Because we gonna be here in 20 years and your daughter gonna sit on the stage, she's gonna say, men are taking advantage of me. And I'm gonna say, where'd you learn it from? And I'm gonna say, pull back the tape. When I told your father not to do it. So do yourself a favor and do your daughter a favor and do your family a favor and make better choices, okay? Yes, sir. I'm glad you got your answers. I get to keep that envelope. Oh, you got to keep it even though none of y'all wanted to open it. Congratulations, y'all.