Help! Our Marriage Is Falling Apart | KARAMO

So I have to ask you, why do you think Michael is cheating?

We were best friends for like a long time, and then we just got together about 4 years ago. Michael's left me several times, and whenever he leaves, it's not like that we've been fighting or arguing or something bad's going on. It's that all of a sudden he just makes up something. He pulls something out of thin air, and he makes an excuse, or he knows my buttons to push, and he will do whatever he needs to do to, and he will disappear for 2, 3, 4, 5 days. And then whenever he comes back, you know, I'm so distraught, my head is spinning. Like when he comes back, I'm—

Is that when you first suspected that he was cheating?

The first time that I suspected he was cheating, I was blindsided. 2 months in the relationship, I walk up behind him and he's on the phone with somebody and he's talking about how big of a I am and that we're fighting and we're arguing. And we weren't even arguing, but Mike, he turned his family against me.

Oh, wow.

Before I even got to meet them.

What does he say when you tell him about your suspicion?

He acts like I'm crazy or it's in my head. Well, it's not in my head that you blocked me, that you were gone.

Yeah.

Like, this is not in— I mean, that's not in my head.

Yeah.

So, but like 3 weeks ago, he goes on a moving job or something with some friends of his. And he goes, "Oh, my wife ran off with some other man." Telling people this.

My producers told me that you separated 2 days ago.

Well, he starts telling everyone that I, that he caught me running off with a man. He's telling me, "I hate you," you know, "fuck you." He even wrote it on the wall and then—

He wrote something on the wall? Yeah. "I hate you" on the wall?

He wrote that on the place that we're staying at, yeah.

So did you move out after this?

I went and rented a truck and we signed separation papers.

Yeah, I'm sorry about that. It looks like a child wrote it because it looks like so, it's like, you know, and of course I wanna hear his side of the story. I think it is time to meet Michael and get his side of the story. So everyone, please welcome Michael to the show.

You didn't wait to manipulate it, did you? I mean, I confided in a preacher, not a boss on that job.

You confided in me?

Yeah, yeah.

That was my man. And I didn't say you were running around with a man. I said I thought you were cheating on me. That's you manipulating everything like you do. I think she's telling you everything that I've told her over the last 4 years.

It's the opposite.

And manipulating it on me. My life is so simple, okay?

But his, and his key to unlock the phones, we can't unlock a phone that he didn't bring.

Have you ever cheated on her?

No.

Never. Okay then. Do you think she's cheating on you?

Yes.

Okay, and why?

Why? Because the signs are all there. I mean, we've been together 4 years. She still hasn't changed her last name.

Because you keep leaving me.

I don't keep leaving. Her example of me leaving her is I was my mother's caretaker for 4 years, right? She was in Seneca, I was in Rock Hill with her. Every weekend, like clockwork, on Friday I get off work, I pack my little bag, And I go to my mom's. I take her to her doctor's. I take her grocery shopping. I spend time with her.

We're supposed to—

we did. We did for a while there. You started going.

You left me.

No, stop. Let me talk. I will let you talk. We, uh, she stopped going out of the blue, but she's still getting ready. She knows I'm getting ready to go 3 hours away, and she's got the whole weekend to herself.

No.

And as soon as I hit the interstate, I'm blocked, and I don't hear nothing from her until I'm coming back on Sunday. No, that's you manipulating it. Well, there was a concert that we were going to go to, and, uh, she had it all picked out, the the area that we were going to sit in and this and that and the other. I couldn't afford to get the tickets. Somehow or another, she made it happen for her. And she took off and went to this concert with somebody— tried to tell me it was with an old friend of hers that got tickets from her job. And it wasn't. It was the— she put it on TikTok. No, I didn't. The section— yes, you did. It was on TikTok, the section that we were supposed to sit in.

Do you want to be with her?

Yes, I love her.

Okay then. But then why did you write, "I hate you" on the wall?

That's not my writing. Y'all got my signature. That's not my writing at all. That's not how I write my A's. That's not how I write my E's. That is not my writing.

So you're saying you didn't write that on the wall?

Y'all can look at all the paperwork that I signed. That is not my writing. That's not my writing.

So from your perspective, why did you separate?

Because she doesn't want to be together.

Do you two think this relationship is healthy?

No.

No.

No, it's not. How long from your perspective do you think it's been unhealthy?

From probably day one. Probably from day one.

Yeah. You feel the same way?

Yeah, I only think I want— When it's great, it's beautiful. But when it's not, it's toxic.

It's not beautiful whenever you go around telling everyone that I'm running off with men, that I'm a cheater.

Who is everyone, matter of fact? Let's just pick that out.

The Reverend will not even look me in the eyes because you've told everybody.

He's seen it for himself.

He hasn't seen anything.

Do you still love her?

Yes, I do.

What do you love about her?

I love her— The way she goes about— she's a very strong woman. She knows what she wants, and she goes after what she wants.

Got it.

OK. She's a hard worker. She's got the biggest heart I've ever seen in anybody. Yeah. But when she's mad, I mean, that—

My producers are telling me right now that there's something that happened that I didn't know about, and it's for you, that you wouldn't allow Michael to talk to one of my female producers. What was going on?

No, no, no, no, no.

That's a small example.

Okay, what was calling? Talk to me.

No, no, no, no, no, no. He was completely loud. Okay, so one of the producers—

It doesn't matter what the woman is.

Are you gonna let me talk?

You had 15 minutes to talk before I came out.

Okay, okay, he's asking me the question, but you go ahead.

Yeah, go ahead.

She was calling, but then yesterday whenever I went to the other office, I'm sitting there for like hours and then he comes in and they immediately take him back to a room and she immediately starts talking to him and doing everything and I hadn't gotten that same—

'Cause they've already spent so much time on the phone with you texting back and forth back and forth, they had almost everything they needed from you, and they hadn't talked to me but just a very little bit.

So because they didn't talk— she didn't talk to you, it wasn't— there wasn't a jealousy there?

No, no, absolutely not.

Okay.

She's trying to make herself look not so— in front of the crowd.

So what, what happened with my producer from your perspective?

I don't know. It was all new to me. When I came out from writing down and giving the cell phone and all that stuff, yeah, is when I sat down beside her and, uh, she was going over why she didn't want that person dealing with our situation anymore. And I made a comment, I said she was just doing her job. And when I said that, that's what I got.

No, that's not how that went.

So are we gonna find anything, Michael, in your phone?

Nope.

When we unlock it?

Because you don't have the right phone.

See, there is no wrong phone, right phone. I don't have two phones.

I have proof, I can give you the information.

You should have brought it.

Well, I had less than 24 hours.

You brought everything else.

No, I didn't.

You brought that. That was your own writing.

That is not my writing.

Okay, Michael, I gotta ask you, if we find anything in her phone, will you stay or will you leave? 'Cause I need to figure that out.

It just depends. I mean, it really depends because I've gone through so much crap.

You've been through stuff.

Listen.

You have ruined my name. I can't even hold my head up whenever I walk outside.

Who are you pointing this cheating to?

I've never cheated on you.

So who'd you go to the concert with? Who did you go and stay at the ski lodge with?

My son.

Yeah, your son and 8 other people that you lied about.

There was 8 other people. No, but you had left me.

No, I did not leave you.

Yes, yes you did.

You kicked me out so you could go.

No, you left me every time. I'm not doing it.

No, me leaving you is going home, like I said, to take care of my mom. That's a lie. And I'm back on Sunday.

He didn't take care of his mom. His mom took care of him.

I do think it's time to unlock these phones. How about y'all? First, we are going to unlock Christina's phone. All right. Michael, you want to know if Christina was cheating on you with other men. Christina says she is not. My unlock the phone investigator searched her apps and found that she is telling the truth. She is not communicating with anyone via apps. Michael, you also want to know if Christina is cheating on you with other men. Christina says she is not. My unlock the phone investigator searched her phone and found that Christina is not telling the truth. Our investigator searched her phone and found that she had 193 calls from a man named Tim.

Tim, do not.

Tim is the man that we're renting from and we both, and sometimes I call and we talk to on speakerphone together.

That's just within the last week since I got this job there. But Tim, Tim, how far back do these?

Tim, but Tim, seriously.

No, no, no.

Well, there was more than one Tim. Well, my unlock the phone investigator also then searched the text and there's some texts from Tim, but there's one specifically that they wanted me to see. Can I see this? Text from Tim. Wasn't that convenient? Straight to voicemail when you get done being a shady lying cheat.

That was from Michael, yeah.

Okay, how did you get, hold, let me finish.

Because they do moving jobs and stuff like that.

Well, isn't that convenient? Straight to voicemail when you get done being a shady lying cheat. Call your husband. Well, why would he say call your husband if that's him?

He's referred himself in third person.

Call your husband.

What date was this on?

Call your husband some.

That was up from my wife and I.

I got two phones, but I'm using somebody else's.

You bring your other phone.

There is no other phone.

Oh my God. That is him texting from Tim's phone. I guess it was dead or whatever.

I'm not gonna use my ex's phone to say something like that for Vince's sake.

Of course, I'm just trying to put the pieces together.

It is.

It doesn't make sense to me that he would text you if he has, from your point of view, if he has two phones.

And it doesn't make sense to me.

And if he then, why would he refer to himself in the third person from Tim's phone?

Why would Tim give him his phone?

Okay, let me give background on Tim. Tim is like, he is my ex, brother-in-law. And let me tell you, Tim is the least person— even Mike.

Why don't you bring your laptop?

Mike, I will bring anything that they want.

Mike, what's your— Michael, what is your point of view about Tim? Because this doesn't make any sense.

You know that, that you said that.

No, I did not.

That's his words. That is— I'll put my hand on the Bible. That's Mike.

Uh, wouldn't— he's not anything I need to be concerned about or anything to that nature.

Thank you.

But like I said, there's 500 people on her Facebook. She's got friends, I mean, all over. I mean, she's a very likable person when she wants to be.

Yeah. My producers gave me a text from you, Michael, to you, that's about Tim. Nope, that's you. Yep, take your shit with your cheating lying ass. You can pay Tim for the shit you took. I'm not fixing to wash my hands. Or so do you waste your time showing me? I could give two "I'm sick of your lying, cheating, thirsty ass blaming me, accusing me. Kick rocks, you cheater. Go see your side piece back burning." Next. "Against for the trash passing you." Oh my gosh, this is a lot. So.

He does this to everyone.

So you have some issues with this Tim person. You think that—

No, but he plays best friends with him.

No, no, I don't have issues with the Tim person at all.

You have issues with their relationship with Tim.

No, there's nothing.

'Cause that's what this says.

There's no relationship.

We're running and running from him all the time.

So then why are you saying to her, go back to him, you cheating, lying, that I'm not watching your habits?

That's not Tim who I'm talking about.

Okay, so there's nobody I've been with. There's no multiple anything. I've never been with anybody. He always says this, and this is his deflection. This is a perfect example. Stuff like this comes up and he does this. He makes up things about whatever he's doing to deflect what he's actually doing.

I don't think so.

He didn't even stay home. He didn't even come home 2 full nights.

So are there 2 Tims?

No, there's not two Timms.

There's not two Timms?

There's not two Timms.

There's only one Timm. And so you're saying that this, Michael, that this text you sent to Christina is about a different Timm?

Yes.

If there's not two Timms, are you gonna say that really? Michael, say the truth.

I've been asking you to tell the truth since we came out here.

Oh my goodness.

And you're not doing it.

It's time now to unlock Michael's phone.

Yes.

I know Christina, you wanna know if Michael's having sex with ex or any other women. Michael says no. My unlocked the phone, investigator searched his apps and found nothing suspicious. My unlocked the phone, investigator out to search his texts and found nothing suspicious. And my unlocked the phone, investigator searched his phone and found nothing suspicious. So he is telling the truth.

But you don't have the right phone.

But you're saying we don't have the right phone and he's saying he does not have the right phone.

He would—

What can I, what is it?

Okay.

So listen, listen.

This is the thing for me is that you asked a question earlier and you said that she's here to clear her name. I've gone months without talking. And that you're here to save your marriage.

Yes.

And I don't think there's a marriage here to be saved.

I don't either.

And to be very honest with you, I'm not gonna blame you as— So what I was about to say is that I'm not gonna blame him as the bad guy or not you as the bad woman. What I do notice here is that there has never been a foundation of love or respect from day one.

It was magical in the beginning.

I think the sex was magical in the beginning. I think that, I think, no, I'm being honest. I think the sex was magical. I think that there was, I think there was a nostalgia of us knowing each other. And I think that we thought like this friendship could be something more. But the fact that within the first 2 months, the fact then that he started questioning you at the ski lodge, you at concerts, there was never a foundation of love. There was never a foundation of truth. There was never a foundation of honesty of where you all were really building something. And you might have had that in your friendship, but that quickly went away. And now you're in a cycle of just gaslighting each other. I hope he's backstage listening. He's not in— Coming back out, good. Michael, I was about to talk to you and I'm gonna tell you this, man. I really don't think that, oh, there you go.

Why are you giving me the, that's not my ring. That's not my ring.

He's giving you his, I guess he's done. At the end of the day, I'm glad that he's made the decision and I'm hoping you make the decision.

We signed the papers Monday. The decision was made.

Good, good. Stick to the decision.

Yes.

Once you separate, make this divorce final. Need to spend some time healing yourselves. Because there's been a lot of damage to both of your self-esteem, both of your trust, that if you get into not something else, it's gonna bleed into something else. Listen, I'm glad that we were able to help you to see that you should choose yourself, and I wish you the best of luck. I honestly do.

Thank you so much.

Yeah, I really do. All right, friends, stay with us. We'll be right back with more. Give me a hug. Want more unlocked phones, DNA reveals, and family drama? Then make sure you're subscribed to the Karamo Show YouTube.