He’s PARALYZED, But I KNOW He’s Cheating! | KARAMO

2 months after me and Willie got engaged, I found a sex toy in his duffel bag. Willie got into a car accident a few years ago, and he's paralyzed from the waist down. So we have to use toys in order to have sex. But this toy wasn't ever something he used on me. He told me that he was going to use it on somebody else. He said he didn't do it because he felt bad. I don't know if I could believe anything this man says. I don't know. In my heart, I think he did cheat on me. He tells everybody that I'm crazy and I'm tripping and all kind of stuff, but I know I'm not. My gut feeling tells me and it's never been wrong. I need Karamo to unlock his phone. I need answers today.

Well, listen, we'll talk to Patricia a little later. First, please welcome Willie to the show so we can hear his side of the story. So, you know, Willie, I don't judge on this show. I like to hear everybody's side of the story.

I'm on everybody's side.

So was there a sex toy in your duffel bag?

Yes, there was.

There was, okay then. And she made accusation that you used it on somebody else.

No, I was going to use it, I was.

Okay, you were?

Yes.

Okay then. Tell me how you reconnected with this woman.

I ran into her at the 7-Eleven.

Mm-hmm.

And what happened at the 7-Eleven? You just started saying, hey, you know, like I'm in a relationship, but I'm feeling lonely.

I was with Patricia. She was inside the store, my ex, I seen her get out the car. She came, she gave me a hug, whatever, whatnot. But then I reached out to her on social media and then my birthday was coming up and I needed $2,500 for this necklace that I wanted and I was gonna use the toy for that.

Got it. So did you end up doing anything with this woman?

Absolutely not.

Not, okay then. Tell me how you and Patricia got together. So take me back to that.

I met her, we stayed in this apartment complex and she stayed across the street and we just chilling, drinking one day. And I happened to touch her hand and I was like, "Damn, your hands are soft." And she was like, "Everything else?" She was like, "Everything's soft." I'm like, "Everything's soft?" I'm like, "Is them lips soft?" She was like, "Yeah." I'm like, "Let me see." And she kissed me and I'm like, "Hold on, let me get it." I didn't get a good feel. So she kissed me a second time.

[Speaker] Yeah.

[Speaker] And—

[Speaker] And that was it. [Speaker] Yeah, the kiss. [Speaker] So how long y'all been together now?

[Speaker] 4 years.

[Speaker] Got it. My producer told me that you were already with someone when you met Patricia.

Is that true?

[Speaker] Yes, I was.

Yes, I was.

[Speaker] Okay. And what happened?

I was with my baby mother. That's who I was staying with at the apartments. We ended up getting engaged, but she knew what it was. So she was the side piece and she was fine with that. And it was what it was. Yeah.

You think she actually knew she was the side piece?

Yeah, she did. She knew. 'Cause when I was finna propose, when I was finna propose, I showed her the ring before I showed my baby mama.

Oh.

Yeah, she knew.

You know you trifling, right?

I know.

I am.

I am.

I was. I was.

You were?

I was. I was.

I was.

Okay.

So is the same girl Was the sex toy incident the only time Patricia accused you of the cheating?

Nah, nah, nah, nah.

She accused you of cheating before that?

It's left and right. Every time you turn around, I'm talking to somebody or texting somebody.

Got it.

And it's like, at the end of the day, I didn't know what else to do. I'm the one that called the show after seeing the Karamo show. I'm like, they unlock phones? I'm like, I need to go there. Karamo can fix my engagement.

Yeah, okay, listen, I'm gonna try. I mean, I appreciate you admitted that the fact that you were trifling, you said you're being better now. So I appreciate that.

I was horrible. You were horrible.

But you're saying in this relationship with Patricia now, you're trying to show her that you're being better?

Yes, yes.

Okay then. What did Patricia put under your dresser?

A recorder, like a recorder, whatever it was, a camera, whatever it was.

Yeah.

But—

She put a camera to like catch you under your dresser?

Yeah.

Okay, and did she catch anything on video?

She thinks she did. I had a pressure sore.

Okay.

And my cushion cover, it was, I'm like, damn, what the fuck, why you smell like that? I was talking about the cushion cover and I threw it into the dirty clothes.

Yeah, you threw it in the trash. Okay then.

No, I threw it to the dirty clothes 'cause I washed it.

Okay.

It was nothing.

What does she think she heard?

First was she said, "If it's clean, why do it smell like that?" I'm like, "That's ridiculous." Why am I asking questions like that? You feel me? Come on, it just didn't make no sense.

Yeah, so what have you done to prove to Patricia that you're being faithful?

Oh my God, what haven't I done? I've took 2 lie detector tests. I've tried to enhance the audio that was found underneath the thing.

Got it.

And I'm like, at the end of the day, I didn't know what more to do.

Yeah.

And I seen the Karamo show, I'm like, that Karamo show can change my, can help fix my engagement.

Yeah, listen, I'm down to try it. Yeah, that's why we here. So hold on, but let me go back to this, 'cause you slipped that in really quickly. You spent money to enhance the audio on a video?

Absolutely, she's proof, she'll tell you that.

Yeah.

$400.

Wow, I need to get in that business. Okay, have you been faithful in any of your previous relationships?

Absolutely not.

None?

None, none whatsoever.

But in this one, you're faithful?

Yes, I am.

Okay then. But you said that you were almost willing to cheat. You said you told her you were gonna use the toy on somebody else.

I was, that was the old me. I was just being selfish and I'm like, if I really love Patricia the same way I say I do, then I don't need that to jeopardize our relationship. That or nothing else.

Okay then. And how long ago was that? Was the old you?

January. Well, I was still thinking like that in January this year.

Okay, so the old you. The old—

'Cause that's because I ran into it.

It didn't happen to me.

No, listen, listen.

I'm not gonna question your growth. I'm laughing 'cause the way you said old years, I thought you was talking about like year 2 of the year 4, but it was like 6 months ago.

But since me and Patricia kissed, I have not touched another woman, kissed another woman, done anything with no other woman.

Okay, I respect that. Are you and Patricia still engaged right now?

No, I honestly cut it off because I feel like I don't wanna bring this negative energy into a new marriage until we can get to the bottom of this situation of cheating. I refuse to move forward.

Got it. Okay, well I think it's time to hear Patricia's side of this story. So everyone please welcome Patricia to the show. Hi, Patricia. You look beautiful.

Can I give you a hug?

Yes, of course you can. You look beautiful.

Thank you.

Nice to meet you.

She does look beautiful.

I see you. What's up, man? OK, so why did you put a camera underneath Willie's dresser?

Because I heard he wanted to propose to me.

OK. So since he wanted to propose—

And because I heard his relationships, he was with prostitutes.

OK. So because in the past he did things—

Yes.

That you were uncomfortable with, you were like, let me see if he's doing it now.

Yes.

Tell me what you heard on the video, 'cause he said from his recollection, what did you hear?

I heard him saying, if it's clean, why does it smell like that?

Okay.

And he said, and I heard him saying, no baby.

Oh.

So if it was a, like he said, if it was a cushion or whatever, why would you say no baby?

Well, we have the audio, so let's take a listen so we can gauge.

Yeah, let's take a listen.

I didn't know what to believe after I heard that stuff.

I get your suspicion, 'cause it sound like somebody else in there. I agree. If you felt like you heard somebody else in the room with him in that audio, raise your hand. Okay, so a lot of us felt the same way. So I can understand where your suspicion is.

If you're changing your cushion, why would you say no baby?

I didn't hear the no baby part, but it did sound like something else, and I couldn't tell if that was music or not. So Patricia, tell me, you say you heard, "Oh baby," and him saying, "Does it smell?" Yes. Okay, really? So were you with another woman during that time?

No, sir.

Okay, not at all. Okay, so why don't you believe the lie detector test that he took?

Because the first one he passed because he lied on the first question. I told him on August this day and this day, did these sexual noises happen? He was supposed to say no. He answered yes. That's why he passed.

Got it, okay. So before that you didn't, so because of that you didn't—

And we didn't get—

I double-backed the nigga. I said, "We can go take another one." The very next day we went back again.

Yeah.

But I didn't ask that same question.

Got it.

That's what I thought. I think she was doing that to get another question because she asked different questions.

And the first one, I didn't get the paperwork. The second one, we did get the results. So that's where I messed up. I should have got that one.

Got it. Before you found the sex toy, what made you look in Wiggly's bag?

My gut feeling.

Got it.

He had sent me in the room to get some medication or something and My gut feeling was just telling me, look in that bag. I put my hand down, okay, I didn't see anything. I dug deeper, that's when I found it folded up on the bottom of the bag.

Got it. And do you believe Willie when he says he didn't do anything with this woman?

No.

No, you don't?

Because he told me that he did ask her to show her her boobs.

No, it was a FaceTime call and she just showed the. She's already had no showin' anything.

But she did show you.

Okay.

Exactly.

I saw it.

So why do you think Willie may have cheated on you with another ex?

I was at school. He did tell me that he did ask his ex to come into the room to show one of their kids' outfits. And he failed to mention that the door was closed for 5 minutes.

5 minutes.

Him and the ex—

I mean, that's all the time you need.

It was probably less than 5 minutes.

Him and the ex have a loud voice, so you should be able to hear them talking.

But because you did—

But my daughter knocked on the door.

You cannot hear that if the door is closed. She swear you can hear that.

You can hear you.

So do you still have access to the cameras in Willie's house?

No, he took me off. He took you off? He said I was crazy and I'm hearing things.

Okay.

'Cause every time I turn around, it's this and it's that. It's just like, you know what, just take, get off my camera.

Yeah.

But my daughter had knocked on the door when they were in there. No response.

She did not.

She's like, are you done yet? No response.

Oh, so your daughter's in the house. So you're saying that he possibly cheated on you while your daughter was in the house?

Yeah, she's in the kitchen right there at the door.

Okay then. So what's going to happen if we find something in Willie's phone today?

I'm leaving.

You're leaving, you're done.

'Cause I've already been through a lot.

Willie clapping, he said, "You ain't gonna find nothing, you heard it." That's a confident man, I like that. Well listen, it's time to unlock the phone. Yeah. We'll be here if something happens. Willie, we unlocked your phone, so here we go.

Yeah.

All right, Patricia, you wanna know if Willie is communicating with the woman he bought the sex toy for. He says he's not. My Lock the Phone investigator searched his DMs and found that Willie is telling the truth.

Come on, man.

All right, Patricia, you wanna know if Willie is communicating with a woman named? He says he's not. My Lock the Phone investigator searched his texts and found that Willie is not telling the truth.

No, you're not.

You're not, literally.

No, no, no, no.

Since January, he has texted with this woman 129 times.

She text my phone every day.

And just 2 days ago.

She answers it.

He just 2 days ago, he deleted other messages with her.

Deleted?

Deleted.

Deleted 2 days ago.

Deleted.

Okay.

2 days ago?

2 days ago.

He's deleted messages before and I retrieved them, but he disabled his phone so I can't retrieve them.

Absolutely not. Can we see those messages?

Yes.

We'll give you everything we have.

Yes, I would love to see them.

All right, so Patricia, you wanna know if Willie has been communicating with any other woman. He says he has not. My Lock the Phone investigator searched his phone and found that Willie Is not telling the truth. We found a screenshot from an explicit video chat he had with a woman named. And that video chat occurred on an app that Willie deleted as soon as he landed yesterday. Give me this.

Are you serious? You did, yeah.

You deleted it yesterday.

Are you serious?

Yeah, you did. You deleted it yesterday.

I'm serious.

You deleted it yesterday.

Absolutely not.

You did. You deleted it yesterday.

I promise you. If you watch my show, you know we don't lie. We find everything. I believe not. You know we find everything. And so Willie, you got— Willie, that's your face. With the screenshot of her and her breast out.

You don't remember that photo, Deion?

That was yesterday.

This got deleted yesterday.

Absolutely not. No, no, no, no, no.

Okay, so I can't show y'all the photo? But your face is in this photo.

There's a timestamp on that.

Okay, so the app was deleted yesterday. Why did you delete the app? The app was deleted yesterday.

What's the name of that?

What app? What app?

What's the name of that?

What app did you use to do this with this woman? You asking me? What app did you use to do this with this woman?

That's a woman. I went in your bedroom.

No, hell no.

Do you know this woman?

Yes, that's.

Mm-hmm.

Okay. That picture is super old. There's a timestamp on that too.

Okay.

I didn't have no app in my phone, Karamo.

So the app is Google Duo and the app was deleted. Google Duo.

Did I delete it 2 days ago?

No, you deleted it when you landed.

Wow.

I deleted it 2 days ago.

The FaceTime is from 2022. So you know what? It is old FaceTime. It's from 2022. Did you know that he was FaceTiming?

No, he didn't show me that.

Okay.

I seen text messages and he said there was sexual one. He told me they for her content for her website.

That was her screensaver on my, the picture of her.

Well, it was in the app that you deleted.

She's one of the prostitutes.

Listen, listen, listen.

Karamo, Karamo, man.

Listen, I'm gonna tell you something. The thing we don't do.

I know you did. Why you think I'm shocked, okay?

Was this an iPhone?

Listen, I didn't show anything.

We were in the room this morning. He's like, you haven't even seen the icing to the cake.

Oh, we were so excited.

So I don't know what he meant by that.

Listen, I was excited for you. Yeah.

I was excited for you. Listen, we only give the facts of what has happened and what we see. When you landed.

Absolutely not, Karamo.

We booked your flight, so we know when you landed and when the meet was at. Okay. All right, listen, we just give you the facts. You talking about absolutely not. No, no.

It's so crazy.

We unlock phones here as a profession, okay? We know what we doing. I respect it.

I respect it.

Willie, is there anything that you wanna say to Patricia now?

Just nothing to say now.

Okay. What were you trying to say to her?

I brought the ring. I was gonna repropose.

Okay. I will tell you this. I think you're making a wise decision of not proposing right now. But I do believe, especially now seeing my investigator telling me that this happened in 2022, I don't know why you deleted that app. I'm not sure. It could have been an accident. I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt.

You don't delete apps by accident.

You're not helping my case. I was trying to give you a debate.

I was trying to help you.

You saw I was trying to help him out.

So what I'm saying to you—

And in one of the videos, you could hear him downloading an app, and he said he never downloaded an app.

So this is what I'm gonna say to you. What I believe is that I do believe that you are looking to make transparency, and I do believe, unfortunately, that your past And when I say past, I mean last January, it's still coming back to haunt you. So what I would suggest is for you to ask this woman what does she need to rebuild the trust? Because what is missing in this conversation is her feelings of what she needs to make this move forward.

I'm sorry, Karamo, I did not delete no app when I landed, Karamo. I swear to God, Karamo.

Okay, well listen, I was trying to give you out and say you accidentally deleted it and then you just said, well, we don't accidentally delete apps, so.

It don't, it don't happen.

It don't happen.

Well, it either happened or you deleted it yourself.

But listen.

I'm on my way to the show, y'all here to retrieve deleted shit.

We've seen crazier things on the Karamo Show, trust me, okay? Crazier things.

And in those messages, was it anything recent?

Hell no, nothing recent. Nothing recent at all.

Nothing recent other than the calls with. If you're trying to change, allow her to be the architect of what it is she needs.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Because I do everything for him.

She does.

But what I'm saying to you is prove yourself by what she needs. She has to set the bar. She has to tell you what she needs. And so also to you, Patricia, I tell you, go home and take a moment by yourself and think about what it is you need and what you deserve. That way he can say, "All right, I got you. I'm gonna do this. I'll show you this." And that way you don't have to hide cameras or any of that stuff. You can actually look at him and say, "Okay, you did step 1, 2, and 3." I do wish y'all the best of luck. And I'm actually curious now, so I'm gonna be checking up on y'all. You got me, you got me peaked now. So I'm gonna be—

I'm checking on you now.

So please do this.

Do this. And I will check up and see if there's something going on, all right? I wish you all the best of luck. I hope you take my advice, all right? Good luck with y'all, all right? All right, friends at home, stay with us. We'll be right back with more.