His Cheating Caused Me to Miscarry Our Baby! | KARAMO

So please tell me about that day you received that phone call. I'm so sorry.

It was horrible.

Yes.

It's probably the worst thing that you could go through.

Of course. Yeah. So what was going through your mind that day when you got that?

How did I miss this? You know, how did I miss he was this person? How did I, you know, when did this start? This is my first girl. I have all boys, so I was really excited.

Yeah.

And it was rough.

Yeah. Did you call him back immediately?

Oh yeah. I was blocked.

Oh, he blocked you?

Yeah. Yeah.

Wow.

He didn't even know we lost the baby until 10 days after.

'Cause you were blocked?

Mm-hmm.

Oh, okay.

Yeah, yeah.

Mm, mm, mm. I'm so sorry.

Yeah.

Yeah. So did you break up after that?

Oh yeah.

Okay.

Yeah. I almost hemorrhaged to death. I lost a lot of blood and I did it all by myself.

Yes. As I said again, I'm sorry you went through that, but like to show your strength and resilience as a woman and just as a human being, I give you props for that. But I'm so sorry that you went through that.

There you go, love.

I'm sorry. So why did you get back together after that?

Hope.

Hope.

Yeah, I mean, my little boy loved him. I love him. I loved him. That's just, he brought me back to life 'cause I actually lost another child before I met him. And he was 18. And so I met him 2 weeks later and he saved me from a very dark place.

Got it, got it. Are you two living together right now?

No.

Okay then. Is it better you living separately?

Yes and no.

Okay.

When we live together, I'm constantly wanting to check cameras, call neighbors, find out if there's someone in my house with him. It's a constant. Anxiety when we live together. But when we're not together, it's the same kind of, I just don't want to go through that again.

It makes sense. And how long have y'all been together again?

5 years.

5 years. Yeah, that makes sense. So how's the trust now? Do you feel like you can trust him at all?

I don't trust him at all. At all.

Yeah, that sucks. Do you feel like he is there for you at least?

No.

Not at all. Tell me about that.

Just, he's very selfish, but he goes through periods where he's very much present, but they're far and few between.

Got it. And you're dealing with raising your kids, doing so much, and you still don't feel like he gives you the support you need.

The only place that he's great in is when we argue, I sometimes get really angry and he's very patient with that and he'll take responsibility for, you know, you act that way because of, what I did to you. That's the reason I'm still here, probably.

I appreciate you being able to see both sides because that just shows about who you are. So what things do you do to try to see what he's been doing behind your back?

I have put, before, I've put an app on his phone, but he let me, but I put an app on his phone. I've shown up when I'm not supposed to be off work. Talked to neighbors, you know, his friends, things like that.

And you've been having to do that for a while now?

A long time.

Like 2 years?

Exhausting. 3.

3 years?

3 years, yeah.

3 years. What is that doing to your mental health?

It's killing me. That's why I'm here.

I'm trying.

Do you feel like he's still hiding things from you?

Yes.

Yeah, you do?

Absolutely.

And he proposed to you?

He did.

And what was that? What was going on there?

In the moment, it was yes. But then I thought about it and I gave him the ring back.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So would you want to be married to him in the future?

If I were to find out that he's been honest and he's just been dealing with my crazy, 'cause I have been very evil sometimes with him the last 3 years. 3 years 'cause I resent him for losing Bella.

Okay.

Then I could see a future with him, yeah. But if I were to find out that I was right this entire time, then no, absolutely not.

Yeah, that makes sense.

I'll be done, yeah.

So everyone, I wanna hear what Joey has to say about all of this and get his side of the story. So everyone, please welcome Joey to the show. Hey Joey, how you doing?

I'm all right.

Nice to meet you. So from your point of view, what is your relationship like?

Troubled.

Troubled?

Yeah.

Do you argue a lot?

Every day.

So I gotta go back to the beginning though. So she got a call with you sleeping with another woman when y'all were already deep into the relationship. How long were you cheating on her?

I went, I just went back to my ex 'cause for my daughter. Like I didn't.

Oh, so this woman that you were cheating with was Your ex, somebody you had already been in a relationship with and you had a child with?

Yeah.

A daughter. Oh.

Yeah.

A daughter.

A daughter.

Yeah.

Got it.

I didn't know that my ex was like such a scheming-ass female, you know what I'm saying? That would plot.

So your ex is the one who called?

Yeah. Oh yeah, she's the one who called.

Oh, so she did it on purpose.

And put the phone down so I could hear.

Yeah.

Yeah.

The layers to that.

Yeah.

How do you feel about her anger? Because she said to me earlier that you still get upset.

I get upset because it's my fault that she's mad at me all the time.

So what were you feeling when you heard about Apryl's miscarriage?

It killed me.

You also had a fight last night at the hotel. What happened?

Yeah. Yeah.

I just started thinking about everything and then he was like, I just don't understand why we can't work this out. And I was like, I can never have kids again. Every time I look at him, I see that, I feel it.

What do I do about that though?

You don't keep messing up.

I don't try to, but my God, babe, I can't. I can't take it back.

Yeah, but you can stop doing it.

I'm not doing it. I'm not doing nothing.

I mean, so you brought him here to unlock his phone?

Yeah, I just wanna know if I'm yelling at him for no reason or he's telling the truth.

Mm-hmm, got it. Well, I think it's time to get to the truth of all of this and unlock the phone. Here we go. April, you want to know if Joey was still talking to an ex and another woman. No. Joey says he is not. My unlock the phone investigator searched the phone and only found your aunt in his contacts, which was a little odd.

What aunt? That's the ex's aunt, not mine.

Oh, the ex's aunt. Got it. Why is her aunt in your phone?

It's my daughter lives there.

Okay, that's where your daughter lives.

Yeah.

And so there's nothing really happening there. You're aware of that?

No.

Why don't you trust the aunt and the number and that?

Because she lives there half the time.

She never been there. Oh, so your ex that you cheated with lives there?

Yeah, aunt and uncle.

She don't live there. And her aunt don't even like the girl.

Got it.

I mean, she don't even like her, so she don't let her get in there.

And you don't ever even see his daughter, so why are you talking to the aunt?

I don't talk to her. I call her to talk to my daughter.

Yeah, okay.

I mean, what else would I call her for?

Got it.

Why?

Okay. April, you say after last weekend's, the fight last weekend, Joey disappeared and you want to know where he was. Joey refused to tell her. My Unlock the Phone investigator searched his GPS and found that he has turned off his GPS location. So we could not even search where he was.

I didn't turn it off. It's always off. I don't know.

It's always off?

It's always off.

Yeah, it is.

No, it is not.

Well, April, you want to also know if he was secretly texting people. You say no, Joey.

I ain't been texting nobody.

My Unlock the Phone investigator found that there were two texting apps, TextNow and Google Meet. That will have messages. The thing is, because they're separate apps, they've been deleted. So unfortunately, whether this was intentional or not, because the apps were deleted, GPS was off because we couldn't track, the apps were deleted, and so those messages were gone.

See, well, I've been here for 5 years wondering if I'm being crazy or—

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, at the end of the day, you asked what could be done here. The issue is that she resents you because of losing the baby. And then the fact that the one contact you have in your phone, which is why I had to stop and make a little note right here, is your daughter, which I understand she's living with your ex's sister. But every time you call that house and your ex— You're saying calling that house? No, I'm saying anytime he calls, you're communicating there, that being the contact, she's gonna be retriggered. It's gonna be just retriggered every time because that's the—

Well, I would like to call her whenever she's around and that would solve all that, wouldn't it?

Yeah. I think at the end of the day, you two have an unhealthy relationship because the trust was broken before. And I actually don't see a path of how this can be reconciled because of the fact that there was deep loss here for you. There was something hard. And like, even when you said things of like, you still want kids, but you know you can't have them anymore. That's a deep pain in you. And unfortunately, he's always gonna be the mirror of that pain. He's always gonna be the reflection of that pain. You're always gonna see that pain every time you look at him. And so as much I would love there to be hope, y'all are in a cycle. Joey, do you feel like you deserve to be in a cycle even yourself? I mean like, do you like this? I heard that she gave you your credit about being patient, but do you wanna have to argue?

No, I don't. I don't wanna have to defend myself every day over the stuff I'm not doing and have to relive the fact that, you know, She can't have kids because it kills me.

Are you happy?

No.

Are you happy? Yeah. I mean, if you want my advice, the thing you should do is you should just appreciate the memories you had that were good and look at each other and call it quits and walk away.

I ain't doing that.

So do you wanna walk away from him today in this situation?

I'm thinking that's probably what I'm gonna do.

Got it, so you do. So you're gonna tell him right now you wanna end this?

Yeah, I don't wanna do this anymore. You lie to me, you lose your chargers, you lose your phone, you lose, every time I need you, you're not there. I think you love the way I love you because I have showability, I'm loyal, and I've been that way for 5 years, but you've not been that way for me. And I just found out I have breast cancer and I'm not gonna go through all that stress and you be lying and not showing up and every, I'm not doing it.

Well, thanks for telling me that.

I told you yesterday and every day before that.

Well, listen, yeah, I wish you the best of luck. I wish you the best of luck, honestly.

You wanna go all the way?

No, you're good right there. I wish you the best of luck, man. I wish you the best of luck.