How Do You Process Your Man Having A SECRET Baby On You!?| KARAMO

We're getting a ping right now. I wanna take a listen to what Ahmad told my producers.

Okay, so I do got a baby.

You do have a baby?

Yeah, but the girl that I posted, he like 2 months.

2 months? So you got a baby that's 2 months? I'm not finna touch you. I'm not finna touch you. So you got a baby that's 2 months old? What am I winning? It's November, ain't it? So when we went to the hospital in September, that's when you had the baby.

How about we sit down and talk about this? So you had her drive, so you had her drive and sit down and talk about it?

I knew I was right. I knew I wasn't tripping. But it's all good.

You ain't gotta worry about it. Okay, but hear that thing again, 'cause I think it said at the beginning that you said you have a baby. Let me hear the thing again.

Okay, so I do got a baby.

You do have a baby?

Yeah, but—

How old?

He like 2 months.

Exactly, like I said. So that take us back to September when we left the hospital.

So can you explain that? 'Cause you, you, you said you had her drive you to the hospital to go see your uncle's ashes. So you actually had her drive you to go see your baby?

This AI stuff is getting outta control.

AI, you gonna blame it on AI?

AI's getting way outta hand.

So it was so easy for you to tell the producers that you had a baby, but I asked you 5 different times.

They must have just mixed it, mixed, I don't know.

I asked you 5 different times. Every time you always, "No, it ain't no baby. You're crazy, you're delusional. It ain't this, it ain't that." Like, I'm finna just go. Like, I'm done.

Okay, so first of all, first of all, first of all, let's be very clear.

Now this is crazy.

Let's be very clear. We would never use AI. We would only take exactly what you have said and play it back.

No.

Okay, so let's, no, let's be very clear on that. Let's be very clear on that. 'Cause when you start making accusations about me, that's when it becomes personal. We would never do that on this show.

No, it's a little joke.

It's a little joke.

No, no, it's a little joke.

Let's clarify.

It's a little joke. It's a little, no, no, it's a joke.

So then my question for you is why not, why not just be honest? Because what I just was thinking right now is based on the math of how long y'all been together, if you have a woman that just had a baby 2 months ago and she said y'all only been together since February, that means that you were with this woman before you got with her, which means— Facts. Facts, right?

Facts.

Which means that you actually weren't in the wrong. You could have just been honest with her and said, "Hey, before we got together, I got another woman pregnant." And because the math, the math actually in this case is on your side. You could say we weren't together yet. She said y'all were just friends, y'all were kind of talking. So you could have said like, while we were still friends and before we got together, I had a child. I'm gonna be in this child's life, why not just take the higher route instead of doing this whole like secretive lying stuff? Making her drive you to see the baby.

You ain't cappin', you ain't cappin'. I mean, like I said though, when it come to a lot of the details, a lot of that kinda fabricated.

Okay.

Like I did post my cousin and I did have a baby on the way, but she just like looked at that picture and was like, oh yeah, you got a baby. You know what I'm saying? It was like that wasn't her.

So then why didn't you just use that as an opportunity to say, yes, I do?

Because it, like, for one, she always came.

What was the shit?

That right there.

You see how she just came about it aggressive. Like she kept coming about it aggressive.

But this is what I'm saying. So there's two things that happened because in this situation, she would've ended up being the toxic one. Okay, hear me out. If she's being aggressive and you all were not together when you had this child, you have all right to express your truth to say as a man, like, hey, I was in a situation I was in a situation before this and like, this is just my past. This is, I wanna get with you. And if she is aggressive, you can say, hold on, this shows me a lot about the woman you are. But then once you started lying, you've given her all validity to start acting this way because now you talking about woman intuition. All she's trying to figure out is why is this man I'm in love with not being honest with me?

I wanna say this too. When I first found out about the girl being pregnant, It was like end of December, like yeah, like end of December. So when me and Huck had got together for one, like a lot of know like when you first get with somebody, like we together and like it's like the puppy dog stage. So we tight as a, but the whole time I'm thinking like, oh yeah, like let's see if this, 'cause I've only been in 2 relationships. I'm only 22. I only been, this is my second relationship. Now I got 3 kids with my first baby mama. So I've been really for real, I've been single. I've been doing my own little thing since I was like 19, 20. So like the past few years I just been out here just living. So when I ran into her, of course now time go on and I can say like she ain't just like any other girl that I'm just messing with and dealing with. Like I actually care about her.

But what unfortunately is that though you have taken time to find out that she's not like any other girl you've dealt with, you've only proven that you're like every other dude she's dealt with by lying.

That ain't true though.

Well, that is. I want Jess to come back out. Is there any way we can get Jess to come back out? Can we get Jessica to come back out here? Come on, Jessica, come back out here. You gotta apologize to her for driving her. You know what you gotta do, right?

I just feel like you already got 3 kids that I knew about. Why you just couldn't tell me?

Because—

Like, I would've accepted the new kid just as well as I accepted your other 3.

'Cause I like that.

What do you mean?

When me and you first got together, I know you talking to other dudes, man, I already know what's up, woo woo. And like you played that off like a lot of times, like as if I was not saying nothing.

What do any of that got to do with what we talking about right now?

Because I felt like about time we fully got locked in is when the pregnancy thing with me and you was going on. And then it made me feel like, damn, If I say something now, it's like—

I got pregnant and lost the baby in July. You had a baby in September.

Yeah, and then you was—

You know how many, you not do the math? That's what, 2 months? We've been together since February, which means you knew that you had this baby all these months growing, coming, whatever, and you never told me. And in May, when I seen you post your pregnant cousin, when I seen you, make the little status like you was having a baby or something. You could've been, you could've, but I still asked you though.

Yeah, you did.

And you denied it every time.

Yeah, you did, but I was just afraid of this reaction from you. Like, I ain't want you to be mad, I ain't want you to be hurt, 'cause I, at the end of the day, me and you done been through a lot of trauma.

What's your relationship with your mother? It's not good.

No, no, me and my mama, like, we good, but You know what I'm saying? Like—

Because I'm getting a lot of undertones of abandonment.

I got a lot of childhood trauma and shit too, where—

Which one of your parents would take away their love from you if you felt like you didn't do something right?

My mama.

Got it. That's what I thought. Okay.

But I love my mama to death.

That's not to tell you that you don't love her to death.

No.

What I'm saying is that the reaction and the feeling you had regarding your mother is still playing into this relationship. This is what I'm talking about with the growth you need as a man. As a young man. See, I'm an older man, so I can recognize these things and help you to understand. That's why you have a fear of expressing to a woman what's actually going on in your life. Because the main woman in your life, every time you've told her what's going on, there's been some type of rejection.

Yeah. I do think that me not telling her made it a lot worse. It could have came out better because I didn't cheat. It was before, you know what I'm saying, her time and things like that. Like I said, I just waited too long. And then when I thought about, every time I thought about saying something, like I said, we had kind of went through our little, yeah, it was just a lot.

But hiding it makes me think, is you still messing with this bitch or something? Because like, why you couldn't just tell me?

I mean, I be with you a whole lot. Like you even said that you like, oh, like, and I ain't even saying a whole lot, like, oh, we be together for a week and then not a week. Like we be, months and months and months, like damn near every day, 24/7 around each other. You know what I'm saying? So like—

Then you should've never had—

Jessica, what do you want to happen?

What I, I'm glad that I know he got a baby because that just let me know I'm on my A game. I knew I wasn't tripping. I don't know what I want to happen. Like I just, I want to have a trusting relationship.

Why would you pick a man that's so much younger than you knowing that he needs to have growth?

It's new to me. I never dated, talked to nobody younger than me ever in my life. I don't, it was just fun.

'Cause the fun has gotten serious now.

Yeah.

And there's a lot of emotional growth he needs to have. And actually I believe that you can get there, you know what I mean? Through all the jokes, you actually are in tune enough to get vulnerable enough with me, which I appreciate. And so I can know that there's actually enough there that you actually will be able to grow grow, but you are 22 still. And so I'm trying to figure out now what, though you say you want trust, maybe he could give you trust, but at this point I think the only thing that you two could have that would be healthy would be a friendship. He's already spent the first year of the relationship lying to you. There's no foundation there. But what you do deserve is a friend, someone you could talk to. This is not your woman, you know that, right?

But I mean, it is though.

It's not. It's not. It's not.

It is.

It's not just you. That's not your man. That's not your man. That's not your man. It could be your friend. It's somebody you could talk to. What I'm also doing by doing this as well is trying to make sure that you have a way of balancing any abandonment that may come up. Because what I'm trying to do is shift the title in a way that now you don't feel like, damn, once I was honest, I got left again. Now that you were honest, the relationship is gonna be it's gonna shift to something that's more healthier. That's what I'm trying to model for you right here. And that's a good thing. It's good for the relationship to shift to something healthier.

It is.

Right?

I agree.

Tell him.

Yeah. Yeah, I think we should just be friends.

I'm cool with that. You a good person, so don't take none of this away from you. You still a good person. You a good mother. You a good everything. So just keep on, you know?

See, it's that response right there why I know you'll be a great mother. I have no doubt about it. Since you said you don't control her, what do you do to control the relationship?

Well, control the relationship, I do things like keep the phone away from her. You know, I may check emails.

Hold on, there's something else I wanna say. He came up to my job and he broke somebody's window.

You broke somebody's window at the job? Yes, he did.

He came up.

That's true.

Okay, why did you break their window?

Because I didn't know if that was the guy's car she was hanging out with or what was the case, so. That was a woman, not a man. I got angry. Outta anger, I just, I took a brick and shattered the first window.

So do you think this behavior's okay?

Kind of, I feel like, as a man point of view, I'm a man of the house, it's my rules, I think I should, you know.

It's not okay.

When did this controlling behavior of the relationship start?

Immediately within the first 2 months of the relationship, I made her delete her Instagram 'cause I was seeing notifications. I say, well actually, how you have social media and we in a relationship? That's not allowed.

You're 34 years old, right? So you're young and you know that social media's a part of our culture now. So for you to say she has to delete it, I don't understand why.

But it's unfair.

Are you allowed to have social media?

I deleted mines, but then I started back getting on social media.

Tell me from your perspective, how did you meet your wife and what was it like?

Okay, when I first met her, I fell in love right away. So I ended up spending the night with her, I believe. The second day she goes to work and calls me like, "I'm really in love with you. I think I'm ready to settle down. I wanna marry you, actually like propose to me." So I immediately says, "Yes, I'm feeling the same way.

Well, let's do this." And then it was 6 months from that point y'all got married?

No, it took like 3 months. We got married right away.

3 months it took to get married? Yeah. So you got married within 3 months?

Yes.

And on the second day you said, "I'm ready for it," and you agreed to it?

We agreed.

Okay, do you feel like you rushed into this?

We rushed, but I think it was like I didn't wanna wait and she didn't wanna wait.

Okay. Have you two talked about having your own children?

No, 'cause she couldn't have kids. She told me that.

Oh, okay.

She couldn't have kids. Couldn't have children.

So you couldn't have children. So you knew that she couldn't have children. Is wanting a family something you wanted?

Actually, I wanted to start a family. At my age, I didn't want to get too old where I'm like, no kids. So I just wanted something at that. I met her at 29.

Got it. And so you know that she can't have kids, but you want a kid. So why rush into a marriage with a woman who says she can't have kids if you know you want kids?

Right.

So you're accusing her of cheating, but you won't let her have a phone. So we couldn't unlock her phone to find out if she was or not.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

The interesting part is that my producers gave her a phone so that she could contact us just while y'all were here so we could get in contact about the story and bring you in. To talk to you all and you flipped out about that. Why did you flip out about that?

Yes.

No, I was a little surprised about having a phone. I said, "It's a cell phone, where did you get it?" She said, "The producers gave me the phone just to keep in contact." Kind of when we left.

And then he got mad at me 'cause he thought I had the Wi-Fi on and it was never on.

So you can't even have the Wi-Fi on?

Yeah, I seen Wi-Fi signals on the phone. I didn't know whether she was on social media or what was the case.

Hmm, okay. All right, well listen, the thing is that you have a lot of questions, Christina, about what's going on with him and you wanted me to unlock his phone.

Yes, I do.

All right, you wanted to know if he was still in communication with women that he was with while you were separated.

Yes. Oh, and then there's another, that he got another woman pregnant.

Oh, got it.

Yes.

Okay, all right, well listen, we have the unlock the phone results right here. This is what was in your phone. So it's time to unlock the phone. All right, so Christina, we went through text, phone, apps on Mike's phone. Christina, you want to know if Mike was still communicating with the woman he was with while you were separated. My Unlock the Phone investigator surfs his texts and he is telling the truth. All right, my unlock the phone investigator then checked his phone because Mike told you that he deleted her information and was not in contact with her anymore. Mike is telling the truth. He has deleted her contact information. But then my unlock the phone investigator searched his apps and we found two very interesting items.

Wow. Let me see.

On September 13th, he messaged and FaceTimed called with someone on a dating app who he asked to meet up with.

Ooh, let me see.

Then there was evidence. So this is the big one for me because when you ask about if he's in communication with her, yes, he said he's not texting. Yes, he deleted the thing. But then I asked my producers to ask you specifically, is there any way we could get in touch with her? And you said, yeah, I can get in touch with her. And then you went through your Cash App to contact her, which then we then saw that you were still able to contact her through Cash App.

Wow.

Wow. Because if you were not communicating with her at all, you would not have We wouldn't have been able to.

Really?

That was the only communication.

Whatever.

But the point is not that it's the only communication. You said that you were not having any communication and we were able to see. Christina, what do you think about all of this and what do you wanna say?

What I wanna say, this is dirty. I knew it, my intuition was right. You've been talking to her. I asked you many a time, have you been talking to her? You said you deleted her number.

She blocked me.

I don't care. Blocking, it don't matter. You still talking to the girl. So basically you still have communication with her since we've been back together. Really?

Well, hold on. My producers are telling me right now that Mike, you had a confession that you also wanted to share.

Oh, oh really? What is it?

Christina, I got a confession to make about the girl I got pregnant. I actually got her pregnant on purpose. The reason why I got her pregnant is because you can't have kids. You got your tubes tied. And I wanted to start a family, so I figured that'd be the best option for me. You couldn't give me one, so I had to find someone else. And I'm hoping that the three of us have come together and learned to co-parent together.

I'm gonna tell you something, man. I'm gonna come out a little bit out of character right now. You low down and dirty. You low down and dirty. Not only do you sit here, hold on, 'cause I gotta get this out. Not only do you sit here and control this woman by taking away her phone, by manipulating her, by taking a woman who's in a vulnerable state and then using information about the fact that she can't have children or she's had her tubes tied and then telling her that you've intentionally went and found another woman. That is low-down, beneath-the-earth dirty behavior. And I don't know what insecurities you have that has made you feel like you need to treat a woman like this, but you don't deserve even the dirt on the bottom of her shoes. And then you say, and then, and then let me make sure I just heard that correctly. Then you said to her, you wish that the three of y'all can raise this child together? You wanna co-parent? Come on now, I'm not even smiling with you, brother. Because you trifling. You are trifling all the way through. For you to be able to sit here, what is going on? You have a woman. Listen, I'm glad you came back out here. This man is controlling you, you know it. You have been emotionally abused. You have been manipulated. And I'm gonna tell you right now, and again, I'm sorry, I gotta get outta character right now, but you know when it comes to women who have been emotionally abused from me or physically abused, it gets under my skin.

10.

You are trifling and downright dirty. You lucky, for real, man. If this is another context and I know that I'm not related to her, me and you would have a situation. This is, this is true. I'm gonna let you say what you need to say.

I'm gonna let you say what you need to say, but 5 years I deal with I got so much shit from you. Emotionally, everything. I am hurting, this hurts me. I don't deserve this, I deserve better than this. How in the world you gonna do that to me just because I can't have children? I just can't, I just can't.

Are you in this position right now for you to leave him? And I ask that question because I know sometimes when you're in a situation where you had a man controlling you, manipulating you. Can I buy you a phone? What can I do to support you so that you can get out of this?

I need to get out of this. If I don't, I'm hurting myself. At the end of the day, I'm hurting myself.

I know, I get it. That's why I'm asking you what resources. You can leave now. You trifling. You can leave. I don't need you on my stage. So what can I do to support you? What do you need?

I do need a phone.

You need a phone?

Yes.

Okay, I'm gonna buy you a phone. I'm gonna make sure I buy you a phone right now. So we're gonna give you some money so I can buy you a phone.

What?

Are you living together? Are you living together?

Yes.

Do you have the resource to be able to find a deposit to get out? You got the resource to get a deposit?

Yeah. I don't.

I'm gonna give you the resource to get a deposit so you can get your own apartment. What I'm trying to do here is I'm trying to make sure, come here, let me give you a hug, baby. Karamo, come here, come here, give me a hug. Come here, come here, come here. Come here, come here. I wanna give you the resources so you can get what you need. You hear me? I wanna give you the resources because I understand he—

Karamo, I don't deserve this. I don't deserve this.

You don't deserve it.

You don't. I'm a good woman.

I know, I got you.

I'm a good woman. I try my best as a wife.

I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. The sad part is, and this is what happens, sometimes we give our hearts to the wrong man. And unfortunately you gave your heart to a child. You gave your heart to a child who decided to use it like it was a damn toy. But now you're talking to a man who's gonna help you and support you, all right? I'm not a little boy. I got you, sister. I got you. I got you. I got you.

Well, after being married to Josh for only 3 months, I found out he didn't graduate high school, no GED. He has a drinking problem and there's some mystery baby that might be his.

A mystery baby?

A mystery baby.

Oh my gosh. So you found out that he has a drinking problem how?

Staying with him, seeing him every day and how often he needs to go to the liquor store showed me that he has a drinking problem. Yeah. When he does drink, he has like 3, 4 drinks at a time. Paul Masson, Monaco's, Four Loko's. And you know when you drink all that stuff, you gonna get tore down. I'm tired of seeing him tore down, not being able to stand up. All wobbly, throwing up, maybe going into somebody room trying to use the bathroom, thinking it's the bathroom, but it's really not.

Oh my God.

That's embarrassing.

So about this other child then, how did you find out there could be possibly another child?

We talked about it, I asked him about it, if he had any other kids since he does already have one. And he let me know that there was a child that he had a DNA test done on and he said it's not his baby.

So, but you're not convinced of that?

I'm not convinced because if he lying about everything else, how is he not gonna lie about that? He knows the little girl's name. When I asked him, "Who is this child?" He was hesitant on trying to tell me what the name was. Why you wanna keep secrets? Why is it so secretive about who this girl is?

[Speaker:KARAMO] Got it. And you brought us a heated text exchange between you two that you wanted me to see. Okay. "You will fail in everything you do and you should have died on the streets like everyone else. I would've never gave you the time of day if I knew you didn't have a GED because you're an idiot." Is that the stuff you sent to him?

[Speaker] I said that.

[Speaker:KARAMO] Okay. You do understand that's abusive?

I understand, look. Okay. I said it though.

Why did you say it?

I said that because he shouldn't have lied to me.

But do you think a lie equates to telling someone they should die?

Look, let me say this.

I'm gonna challenge you as just a woman.

I understand, but I'm just saying the fact that he built this whole relationship on lies, that was enough for me to be angry.

'Cause you feel like you've just been betrayed your entire relationship?

Yes.

Take me back. How did you and Josh meet?

We met at work.

And did you know anything about him before you got married?

Yeah, before we got married, I knew that he had a child. When we first started dating, I knew he didn't have a car, but I told him that that was a problem for me. I don't want to be with you if you don't have a car. So he got that in order. I knew that he went to work and I knew that he stayed with his mom.

So the question is, why did you rush the marriage?

It wasn't a rush for me. I was ready, I was excited, I was grown and happy. That's what I wanted to do.

But 6 months?

No, 8 months.

8 months. That's less than a year. Do you really think you can get to know somebody in that time?

The type of person I am, I know I'm honest and I show up as me. My problem is I expect other people to do the same thing. He didn't do that. He lied about who he was. Yeah.

So Joshua kicked you outta the house a lot.

Yeah.

Why did you go back?

I just was trying to make it work. That's embarrassing. And he got all this stuff going on. I'm steady getting kicked out. Went back again. But you know what? I keep showing up with the U-Haul truck. Then he like, "Nah, don't leave, don't leave." So why you trying to kick me out then?

So joining us in the audience today is Joshua's mom, Vanessa, who's here right now. Hey Vanessa, how you doing?

Hi, hi, I'm good.

So you just heard how he was kicking her out the house. What do you think is going on in this marriage?

Well, first of all, that was very mean to say that you wish that he had to die out on the streets. That was very hurtful. To hear that.

Agreed.

But I'm gonna assume that you were mad when you said that, so I'm gonna let that one slide. But I believe that they got married too soon. And they just don't know how to love each other.

Joshua, come on out please.

I don't know how you don't know me. I don't know how you don't know me.

Hey, thank you for being here.

What's going on?

You look sharp.

You do too.

Thank you, man. So listen, your wife says she feels like she got tricked into this marriage. How does that make you feel hearing that?

I don't know how you got tricked into the marriage when we've been together every day. It's only so much you could lie to a person about when you with them every day. Mm-hmm.

Okay.

So do you think you don't feel like you're lying to her?

I've lied about certain things.

And why the lies?

Like I lied about my GED because I'm in the process of actively getting it.

But you don't see how that's deceptive?

Can I talk?

You don't see how that's deceptive? Because why would you sit up there and tell me you had it? You said you actually had the GED, but it comes out you don't.

Because you judgmental.

But you don't see that? If I'm so judgmental, you could've never messed with me in the first place.

Why did you marry me?

If we together—

The whole point is if I would've known, I wouldn't be here.

Every single day, if we together every single day, How you don't know me then? How you don't know me then?

Let's be clear.

The thing is, is I understand your argument if you're saying we've been together every day, but the one thing that I do know about people who have addictions, active addictions, is that they find ways to hide it. And so even though you could be with someone every single day and not be aware of what they're doing, and that could be a financial, like gambling, it could be drugs, it could be alcohol, it could be porn, you don't really know. And the biggest part of this is that What she's saying has been confirmed by your mom. Your mom said that she feels like you do have a drinking problem, that you hide it from her too. And that's your mother. So we're hearing from both of them that you do drink a lot. And so there is a possibility that she could have felt that it was hidden. So you can acknowledge that.

Yeah, I can acknowledge that. I can man up to that. I do drink.

So do you feel like she's being judgmental and verbally abusive?

Yes, she is.

Yeah. I did see the text that it said, you know, hope you die. How did it make you feel to get that text?

Like, that's just one text message. She usually says stuff like that. That makes me feel— that hurts me on the inside though, to hear my wife say that.

And it hurt me on the inside knowing that you lied to me to make me be your wife.

If you would have told me who you was, what do I gain out of marrying you then?

Me being your wife, that's what you gain. If you would have told me there's— I don't have a GED. If you would have told me, dang, it's this baby that I got a DNA test on, but it might be my baby, then I would have not did it.

I openly said this stuff though.

So with the child, he says that he did, he openly told you he didn't know at the time?

I openly, right. We talked about that child.

Because I openly brought it up.

But you just don't believe it. The point is that. Because of the fact of the GED and the drinking.

Exactly.

So I got it.

So it's like you probably lying about that.

But one of the things that really was alarming to me was that you two getting physical with each other. I wanna hear from your perspective. How did that start?

She put her hands on me a lot before. A lot of times I felt like I just be, unheard, you know, and it's all about her. What about me? And she even acknowledged that. You didn't think that men got feelings, right?

Yeah, I thought that at first, yeah.

You still think that?

No, I really don't.

Yes, your actions show it though.

You know what, I actually think you are just selfish. It's not even about all other men.

But what about you though?

You are just selfish.

But what about you though?

I put myself in so many situations to give myself to you and do things for you and I'm not getting nothing in return.

So I'm always the problem though, right?

I wouldn't say always, but it's a majority of the time.

You doing some messed up stuff. Do you feel like her digging up your past is the problem?

Yeah, and her insecurities.

Man, look.

Do you think she's insecure?

She's really insecure, yes.

Why do you say that?

I say that because the way she act though, like if I'm out somewhere, if we in a drive-thru, a woman walk past, I'm not even looking. She looking at me to see if I'm looking at 'em or something like that.

That's how he acts. So what do you expect me to do?

Is there anything you're not telling Lacresha at this point?

No.

So at this point she knows everything?

At this point she know everything. She got access to everything.

That's a lie. Why don't you believe him? He's telling you now that it's everything.

He's already lied about having his GED, which I asked him multiple times.

Yeah, no, I get the things that he's lied about before that you caught, the drinking, the GED.

But why don't you really believe him? I'm telling you, that's why.

The way you steady talking about lying and I'm a liar and this and that, I never cheated on you, lied about you, you ain't gotta worry about where I'm at or anything like that.

I don't know that, I don't know that, right? I left from staying with you, you shared your location with me, and come to find out you still getting alcohol delivered to the house. Kresha, why do you think that he's cheating? What has he done? What do he do? I mean, I don't even see it. He's into you, and he loves you. We don't know what he think about. I know that he's not cheating, and I don't know why you thinks that. What would— Why would you think that? What has he done? If he lying about these things, and he said I'm so judgmental, why would he lie about this too? If he lied about a GED, that's something minor. That's something big to me. That's something minor though, really.

Thank you, Vanessa, for your point of view. I appreciate that, I really do.

I am ashamed that I don't got my GED, like—

So you are carrying shame. You're carrying shame. What other things in your life are you carrying shame about?

Honestly, I'm just ashamed of the stuff I did in my past. Like growing up, it was kind of tough for me, you know? And I did drop outta school 'cause it was a lot going on.

So you're ashamed of your past, you're ashamed of your high school education. What else are you ashamed of?

That's it.

You sure?

Yeah.

Because the only reason I'm saying that is because I'm realizing as well that drinking is directly correlated with shame. It's sort of like a burden that gets on you. Everything you've experienced in your life, everything you've went through was a moment you needed so that you could get to become the man that you're destined to be one day. Right. Understand the shame so that way you can maybe start to feel more empowered to speak your truth. So that way then you're not drinking and you also don't find people that make you feel trapped, feel like you tricked them into a relationship. You understand? I do think that you owe your wife a major apology.

I'm sorry I lied to you. 'Cause I do love you. I did feel ashamed and I do want to do better.

Can you receive that?

Yes.

Just receive it. Again, it's not an excuse for the behavior.

Right.

But it's a step for him to start growing as a man.

Yeah, I'm glad he could acknowledge that. So that's good.

There we go. There we go. But the thing is as well, it takes two to tango, girl.

It does. And you, I said some very hurtful, very mean things.

Very cute. Yes, let's get to it.

I don't wanna use this as an excuse, but of course I was very angry because I did not like how you sat up there and lied and I told you so.

But when you say this, when you say this and repeat that narrative, you actually are making an excuse. So just, yep, I know, girl.

He be saying that to me.

It's the truth.

It's always about him.

Not to make an excuse, but I'm just saying like, damn. I know, but see, every time you say not to make an excuse, when right after that it becomes make excuse. And I start making an excuse. And that language we saw was very ugly. That's why I directly asked you, Do you really think a lie is worth telling someone they should die?

Look.

No, I want you to say yes or no to that.

Yep.

You think a lie is worth telling someone they should die?

Yep. Depending on what type of lie you're telling, yeah, 'cause you deceived me and I wouldn't have been married.

Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. I know your feelings are hurt and you're valid for having your feelings hurt, but that's not the behavior. That's not the behavior. And as a young woman at 23, you shouldn't be exhibiting that. I know you're better than that. I actually know you're better than that.

No, I actually am, seriously.

So then, thank you.

This is bringing the worst outta me.

I know, but then, but see, if this is bringing the worst out of you, then you need to bring the best back. You have the power to bring that back. So I got a ping alert from Jordan. What's a ping? Pings are where we get messages that people, we get somebody to come and share something.

What's going on, Jay Jordan?

All right, so let's go ahead and watch this ping.

That me and Kai, had sex right around the time that me and G-Money got together. And that kind of happened around the wedding that I told you I went to by myself. We decided to take that to the grave. And there's another thing that even Kai does not know. Um, I was pregnant and I wasn't— and I'm not sure who the father was. It could be G-Money or it could be Kai. I'm not sure. I just got an abortion and just kept it pushing. And I'm so sorry. I'm not pregnant.

She said she got an abortion.

Wait, what?

Wow.

She said she got an abortion because she didn't know which one of y'all.

Wow. Wow.

Yeah, it makes sense.

Wow.

I'll see you when we get back to the Bay, for sure. All right, bro, you're weird.

Both y'all weird.

What the hell?

But this weirdo—

like, you're hella—

like, for real, bro, you're weird as shit.

I don't give a fuck.

This is about yourself right now.

You're weird. Straight up.

I'm weird.

That's what you get back to the Bay, bro.

You're done.

You're done. Straight up.

I'm gone.

Straight up.

Everybody, y'all done.

It has happened. We were on a cruise ship and we got lost at sea and it happened. And I'm sorry, I did not tell you. It was a lot. And I think that's what really made me distant 'cause I didn't know what to say or how to say it or do. Just weird. I didn't know.

So how do you feel about the fact that she could have been pregnant with your child and that she had an abortion?

Tell me though, bro. Why you ain't tell me, bro? Why you ain't tell me, bro?

Why you send me here and tell me all this rest?

I'll talk to you later.

Why you send me all the way down here to the terminal?

Why you ain't tell me?

Why you ain't tell me?

We could have been done with all this, bro. Weird as fuck, bro.

I don't want to talk about it, bro. Professional, professional.

Are you in love with her?

I'm not in love with my best friend.

Would you want to be in a relationship with her? I don't actually like women like that.

You know, it was just a—

So you like them sexually but not emotionally? We was intimate, real intimate. Have y'all been more intimate than more than that time? It's coming out now. You might as well say yeah. I'm gonna take that as a yes. How many times have y'all been intimate?

Once, twice?

3 times, 4 times? It was really like twice. It was twice.

It was twice.

It was twice.

Yeah. Okay. It was twice. I can't excuse G-Money's behavior and we're gonna get to that because there's a lot of stuff that's going on. But at the end of the day, his concern was that you would be doing something he didn't know.

He didn't know that.

But that even makes it worse. He didn't know. So you were the trifling friend he was worried about. You was sleeping with his girl. He didn't have to worry 'cause it wasn't like that. But it happened. It happened twice.

Twice.

It happened twice, but it wasn't like a continual thing.

Like, I'm not trying to pursue you. I understand, but his concern was, did you sleep with my girl? His concern should be, can I provide for my girl? Can I treat my girl better? "Can I talk to my girl differently?" No, listen, I said I'm gonna get to that. But with you, the concern was, did you sleep with my girl? And you did. You slept with this girl twice.

Okay. It was twice.

No, but you gotta take accountability for that. You told me you weren't gay.

I take full accountability. We slept together 2 times.

Jordan, do you have feelings for Kai?

No, it's my best friend. What happened was just something that happened. Kai is my best friend. I love him no matter what 'cause he has been in my life and will continue to be in my life because I want Kai in my life.

Okay.

But I do want, I don't know about now.

Well, the thing is that if I get, okay, 'cause there's so many things going on here. First of all, I'm glad that you got off your chest because it needed to come off. But this entire thing needs to be exposed because from what I'm tracking, it sounds like you're in a very unhealthy relationship with G-Money. And I'm not sure why you're staying for these 2 years. Can you express to me why you're staying? Because from what I'm hearing, from his own words, he's an entrepreneur, he's not financially stable, he's been verbally abusive, he's been physically abusive. There have been so many things that have shown that he's clearly not someone of value in your life. You even said you're not growing in a healthy way. So why keep staying with him?

I think because of the love that he gives me. And the way he makes me feel as important. 'Cause I didn't have a father when I was growing up. So I do need a strong man and him being direct and, you know.

But you do understand a strong man doesn't have to come with someone who's gonna be abusive, who's going to treat you in certain ways. You can find a man who's strong, who's going to treat you right.

I do understand that.

Are you ready to end this relationship with G-Money? You have to.

I don't know how. I don't know how.

Just be strong. All you gotta do is say no.

Does he live with you?

He does.

He lives with you. Okay. So there's an issue of getting him outta your house.

Yeah.

I don't know him fully. He was right about his questions about you. So I'm gonna give him full, he was, he was. You were sleeping with his girl.

I mean, but that was before, he didn't, you know.

No, I don't know. You not gonna let me. You're not gonna get me on your side with this. You're not gonna get me on your side with this. I mean, you two are consenting adults. His concern was, are you sleeping with my girl? And you did twice.

I'm not.

What I'm saying is his concerns were correct there, but outside of that, the behavior is wrong. So why saying, because there was a 7-year friendship here besides the sex, and you've both been clear that you don't want a romantic relationship. So we'll chalk it up to y'all in y'all 20s, y'all had a little moment, you did whatever. But you need a safe haven to be able to get out of this relationship. And he doesn't seem like the person that's going to leave quietly. He doesn't seem like the person who's going to let go of you because he knows he's getting something from you.

Very much not easily.

Yeah. Is there some way that we can, when you leave this stage, you can fly back and go to his place? Would those be action steps that you could use to get out of this relationship? 'Cause this relationship is unhealthy.

Hold on one second though. Because it's like before, You invite somebody to your house. I don't wanna be in a situation where it's like I'm listening to you do the same merry-go-round. You know, like that's tiring.

These moments are critical because you're saying that you wanna leave and you're ready to be done with this relationship. And this is where now true friendship and support comes in. It's one thing to be on the phone and there's one thing to be like, I'm hearing your problem, I'm exhausted by hearing your problems. But there's another thing when you're in person your friend is saying, "I do want an escape plan." I do want to leave.

Do you really wanna leave him though?

Like, that's what I wanna know.

Yeah, I'm tired of being a caged bird.

Good, good. 'Cause she's telling me she wants to leave him. And at the end of the day, even if G-Money did stay with her, if he did stay with her, he's gonna only make your life a living hell from this point on. And so your friend is telling you she needs support now. She's tired of being a caged bird, her own words. So this is where it says, I gotta show up for you. Yeah, like I got you.

You already know I got you. So I'm here. I love you.

The thing that he asked and said that you're doing, you did. And so y'all, we can't give you a pass and laugh this off because you were right. You were disrespected 100% by them lying to you and saying they weren't sleeping together. So your intuition was right. You knew what was going on. And I'm sad that you had to find out that way. You know what I mean? You came to unlock the phone, but she just confessed. What's going on in your mind?

I don't know what to think right now, man. My head messed up, man. It's just the simple fact that, damn, with that guy, like, that's crazy. Like, could be anybody else. Like, I ain't like that, but damn, with him though, like, I've been—

I get it, I understand. It's not like you want her to cheat, but the fact fact that it was with him after you had said repeatedly, are y'all doing something? Is there something that's going on?

They playing this little charade game. Like, I don't understand that. Like, weird.

Not true.

So she said that she wants to end the relationship? Good, good.

So she already know what's up? Yeah, over with. Like, for real, over with. You know, had sex with some fake gay dude. Like, is he gay?

Like, what the—

like, like, that's weird. Like, you've been playing this whole charade. Like, I'm, I'm cool. Cool, I ain't dipping in that pot. That's over with. Yeah, it's over with.

She said that you two live together, so how would you—

I'm gone. I'm about to pack my shit out of there. We can figure all the rest out later, you feel me? I go somewhere ASAP. As soon as he touched down, I'm gone, packing my stuff. Okay, she gonna grab hers or whatever. She can have the house, whatever. I don't care. I'm gone. Like, she can move in with him, or he could— I don't care. He can have her as much as he want now, you feel me? I don't know what this is, you feel me? But I don't want to be a part of it no more.

I'm done.

Like, here, like, I want to do that.

Well, at the end of the day, at least you got your answers and you were validated knowing what you were feeling.

It was like a weight off my shoulders now, you know what I mean? I could like go forward in life, you feel me? Pick my best move. My next move will be my best move.

Got it. Well, I wish you the best of luck, sincerely, man. Sorry you had to find out that. Yeah, seriously. All right, good luck, brother.

Yeah, good luck, man.

So Shay said she caught you cheating in the past. From 2023, she caught you on your phone, caught you with a woman. Were you intimate with any of those women as well?

A few of those, yeah, I were. Well, a few of those females, just pure conversation, nothing more, nothing less.

But there was some that it was physical, the other ones were just—

Yeah, well, I'm getting real, yep.

Okay. So have you ever heard him say to you, have you ever heard him say to you that he was intimate with those women?

No.

So how many times have you been on Facebook?

No, 'cause you said when I caught you with that girl.

It was about 5 to 10 times.

When I caught you with that girl pulling up in front of the house and stuff, you said she was a high school friend and I'm over-dramatic. When I touch her phone, you talking about throwing it out in the middle of the street so it could get hit by a car so I wouldn't touch it or go through it. You never told me he done this.

Shay, did you know that it was 5 to 10 times that he had had sexual relationships with women?

No.

You feel like she knew?

Yeah, she did know about a few of 'em. All of 'em I would say she didn't know about, but a few of them she did know about.

If I knew about it, I wouldn't even be sitting here looking dumb.

So when was the last time you cheated?

Probably like a week or two ago. With a different female though. A different female though, not the one that's saying I'm the father of her child.

A week or two ago?

With who?

A week or two ago and we knew we was coming up to this show?

A different woman, not the one that's saying I'm the father of her child.

Okay, why do you wanna be with Shay?

He don't wanna be with me.

I do love her. We here to fix our relationship.

How when you just did it a week or two ago?

What about you though? What you got going on?

A week or two ago?

What about you and your phone though?

I can say I never messed with nobody on you. Especially not this recent. Look how recent we talking.

You sure about that?

We sure. You wanna pull it up?

'Cause Raheem, you have doubts as well, so you want us to unlock Shay's phone.

Yeah, I do.

So why are you suspicious of Shay?

There's so many red flags she give me. She take phone calls and stuff outside the house, just disappearing random times of the day. Her child's father trying to link with her through text message, I seen. So yeah.

And I told you I don't have no problem with you talk to him in front of you.

Has she ever been unfaithful to you?

I feel like she have, yeah.

Okay, but you don't have any proof that she's ever been unfaithful to you?

Well, she done told me a few times, once or twice.

Have you been unfaithful to him?

Yeah, I told him that. Once I found out about that girl—

The first one? The only one you thought?

The only one I thought about. I told him that I was stepping out on him.

And that was at the beginning of the relationship?

Yeah.

And so after that, you never did anything ever again? No.

No.

Got it. Well, I think it's time to unlock the phone.

Let's go for it.

Let's do it.

All right, Raheem, we unlocked your phone.

Here we go.

So Shay, you wanna know if Raheem is communicating with other women. Raheem says he is not. My Unlock the Phone investigator searched his apps and found that Raheem is not telling the truth. There were 661 explicit messages between him and that woman named on a TextNow app. Do you know? Mm-mm. Okay. Shay, you wanna know if Rahim is having inappropriate communication with other women?

Oh, thank you.

Since Andrea's 61.

Oh, it's accurate.

Okay, we gonna see what yours says.

Since Andrea's 61.

Since you wanna be so sneaky.

Well, hold on, let's keep going. Shay, you wanna know if Rahim is having inappropriate communication with other women. Rahim says he is not. My Lock the Phone investigators searched his phone and found that Rahim is not telling the truth. We found 307 inappropriate exchanges with escorts, including photos.

I love you.

But 307?

That's why we—

Like, 307? Like, let's be for real. Like, 307.

You're engaging with sex workers?

I guess you could say that.

It's not a guess, 307 messages.

Some of them I actually know personally though.

Okay, okay. Have you been, here you go, love. Have you been safe?

Yeah, I do use protection, yeah.

Okay. Shay, you wanna know if Rahim is texting the woman who claimed he fathered her child. Rahim says he is not. My locked phone investigator searched his texts and found that Rahim is not telling the truth. There were 79 text messages with that woman, one as recent as Tuesday.

Tuesday? And we was down here together at Tuesday.

That's why we here though. That's what you know. You knew me and her was communicating though.

All right, here we go. Shay, you wanna know if Raheem could be the father of the other woman's child. Raheem says he is not. My unlock the phone investigator searched his emails and found one suspicious email. What is this email? What does it say? It says, "When you were at my house, you said you wanted me to have your baby, then boom, I got pregnant." That's not accurate. That's accurate. That's what she wrote to you. "When you were at my house, you said you wanted to have your baby, then boom, I got pregnant." I never said that.

I mean, that's just a sum—

Okay. Shay, what do you wanna say to Rahim?

I don't have nothing to say to him. Nothing at all to say to him.

Let's talk about you though and your phone. What your phone say though? It ain't just all about me. It ain't just all about me in this relationship. It takes two. It takes two.

You right, it takes two. And it seem like I been putting into this relationship, trying to keep this relationship together while you been out doing whatever you wanted to.

I lost her baby too. It's over 900, 900, I lost a baby too.

No, I got the messages. Where is that?

Pull it back up. You're not the only one hurt in this situation. You're still saying that's a lie. You're not the only one hurt in this situation, love.

You're still saying that's a lie.

I lost a baby too. I lost a baby too.

Look at this. Look at this. But you was not there. You worried about the baby now, but you was not there. You was too busy laid up with one of them 661s or 370s. Which one?

Man, I was— You knew who I was with.

Who?

Who? Raheem, you said you wanna work on this relationship consistently. Why?

I don't know why he wanted to work on it.

That's why we came up here for.

I don't think so. I think you came to—

Embarrass me. Embarrass me.

Embarrass me. No, I love you.

'Cause 661 is crazy. It is crazy.

That's insane. Let's talk about your phone though. Yeah, we about to talk about it.

We about to talk about it. We about to talk about it.

What is the definition of love for you?

I would say unconditional love.

He don't know it.

What does unconditional love mean?

It's different. I mean, you have to show your love more than, I mean, words can't explain it.

So words can explain it? Words can explain it?

So I like to show my love instead of tell you I love you.

No, no, no.

Well, if that's the case, he can't even tell you.

He can't even tell you what love is 'cause he don't know it. I have to show it.

It's sad.

Okay, you don't know it.

You don't know it.

Yeah, just be honest. That's what we're here right now for.

Be honest. Yeah, you're right.

Just say it. So hold on, let's come on. Let's take a second right now. I want you, based on what you just said, I have to show it. Does this look like you're showing love? I don't know. Do me a favor because I wanna have a moment of growth for you. I'm asking you a definition of love because I know that there's a lot of times young black men don't understand understand fully what love is based on situations that happen in their own life. And what's happening is that you then end up hurting multiple people because you're hurting. So I'm gonna say to you right now, you clearly don't know what the definition of love, but you said actions. So I'm asking you, does this look like the actions of someone who loves someone?

In y'all eyes, probably not, but—

Be honest right now. No. In anyone's eyes, does this look like the actions—

In your eyes, it don't look right. You know that. In your eyes, it don't look right.

That's why we here, it goes both ways.

You keep talking about both ways. You can't even believe this. Yeah, you can't even believe this.

Actually, I can believe it. I can believe it. I can believe it.

I can believe it.

I wanna know, you said, would your mom be proud of this behavior?

No, no, I can honestly say that, no.

Okay, okay.

It starts from where you guys are.

I don't think that there's a point of unlocking your phone.

'Cause I was honest, I talked.

What will happen If you have answers, you feel like that's—

He still gonna cheat.

You feel like that's going to—

He gonna go home, he could be like, oh, I see, it's your fault, I'm about to go cheat.

I might just break up with you if I found out some stuff I ain't know about.

Might.

Baby, you broke up with me before you did that 661.

Okay, are you staying in this relationship?

No, baby, I can't continue getting hurt. I can't continue getting hurt.

Well, that's your decision, but that's why we came up here for her.

We came up here to get answers. 'Cause I got the answers that I needed.

I agree.

I got the answers that I needed that I've been asking you about. It would've been more simple if you would've told me the truth when I asked you this.

I'm glad you found the courage to end this relationship because you said something earlier to me and I wrote it down. You said the person I need the most, the person you needed the most that you put all your faith into has been someone who told you from day one that he's not the man that can build a foundation with you.

Yeah, over and over and over again.

And so what happened, I also heard you say that during this time, that you had to rebuild your family. You ended up found yourself being unhoused. You found yourself in situations. You found yourself alone in the hospital grieving.

Yeah.

What I'm trying to show you right now is this has never been a man that you could depend on and he will never be a man you can depend on. And so you have to take that you are not.

Yeah.

And when I know that for a fact is because I even asked you if you know the definition of love and you don't know the definition of love, which lets me know that if you don't know how to define love, you don't know how to define a foundation to build a good relationship. So what you have to do is some self-work so you can figure out what you gotta do for yourself. Because if the woman that I love was in the hospital just grieving the loss of our child, my ass would not be laid up with another woman. I'd be next to her. So do some self-reflection, brother.

Do some self-reflection.

This was just 5 months ago at that. This is 5 months ago.

Okay.

Like it's not even, I haven't even finished grieving.

You knew the truth. You just need to see it.

Yeah.

And I hope that you please accept it.

I went with my gut.

I promise you the minute that you you release yourself from this relationship, I promise you things are gonna start falling back in order.

Yeah.

I promise you. Yeah. Keeping yourself shackled to this is what's keeping yourself shackled going down, okay? Release that shackle, I promise you, all right?

I've been nothing but loyal to you this entire time. I've done nothing to you.

What does that make you feel knowing that she actually has been loyal to you this entire time? That's nice to know. I'm gonna say that's some release, you know, I guess, you know, relief. Okay.

Do you even care? Because that's what it sounds like. Do you not care?

Like— What am I supposed to do? Jump for joy?

Yes! Just like I would if I, if we hit, you go through your, what? We go through your phone and I find nothing. Do you know how happy I'm going to be? I'll stop accusing you of shit. I can leave you the fuck alone on that tip.

You should always leave me alone. Excuse my language.

I'm sorry.

You do not need to apologize.

But like, do you get what I'm saying?

All right, well, Rayvon, we unlocked your phone. Ariana, you want to know if Rayvon has been using apps to receive money from other women. Rayvon says he is not. My Unlock the Phone investigator searched his apps and found that Rayvon is not telling the truth. Rayvon received 6 payments from a woman named totaling—

Oh, that's my mother.

That's fine, that's fine.

Okay, relax.

Totaling $1,908. Again, that's my mother. That's for rent, all type of stuff. Like, come on now.

Okay, that's fine.

Okay.

You know, we're only here to search and go through it and get the answers. We don't know who the people are in your life other than the two people on the stage. Yeah, you're right, you're right.

Don't get mad.

Question, why did you feel like you needed to calm him down when his behavior before, when you found out you weren't cheating, was very calm. I'll get back to this.

Yeah, I'm sorry.

Ariana, you wanna know if Rayvon has been calling other women. Rayvon says he is not. My locked phone investigator searched his calls and found that Rayvon is not telling the truth. Rayvon had a total of 800 calls with a woman named Since May 17th.

That is my friend from Michigan. She really is.

That's the one who cheated on me with before. What do you mean she's just your friend?

No, listen though, listen though.

Listen, listen, listen.

But that relationship though, me and her have not had a physical relationship in years.

Why is it cool with you to be friends with somebody that you had sex with before?

She called me every once in a while. I sometimes even answer the phone call. That's not every once in a while. Literally.

800, Rayvon? 800 though.

It's not.

I call you though.

It is not that many times. It is 800 times. It's not. I know for a fact it's not. So what I would like you to do is not try to gaslight me. I'm not trying to gaslight you, sir.

I know for a fact what I do on my cell phone and how many times I talk to that woman.

If it was another woman, sure, perfectly fine. But that woman right there ain't no way. So what I'm gonna tell you to do is first of all, lower your tone with me. Secondly, I want you to know that 800 calls have been made. Again. Since May. No, I'm telling you one more time, since May of this year. This is what we have pulled data from your phone. So we are tracking the data that is in your phone, which is why I came up with this exact number from my phone. And it's very much so inaccurate. Very much so inaccurate. 'Cause I barely, you could call that woman right now. I don't need to. Right now and she would tell you I don't even talk to her like that. One more time. I'm gonna tell you. So let me tell you, this is the last warning I'm gonna give you about raising your voice to me on this stage. The last warning.

Please let us finish.

Okay. Ariana, you wanna know if Rayvon has been texting other women. Rayvon says he is not. My unlock the phone investigator searched his texts and found that Rayvon is not telling the truth. 43,863 deleted text messages from 4 different women. Hey, Ralph, can you come in with the evidence bag? Well, before I give you the names of some of these people that he's texting, there was one that was most shocking. This is from 2 days ago and it said, my love, I told you I'm miscarrying. It's the same stuff, blood, cramps, fever, and body aches. So there's a woman that he is talking to 2 days ago that is miscarrying. Okay.

We together, what do you mean okay?

Did that message state that the baby was mine?

No.

Yes, I am talking to somebody who is having a miscarriage, but is the baby?

No.

So out of the messages, there was—

My love, I told you, I'm miscarrying. The same stuff, blood cramps, fever, and body aches. My love, my love.

So it's not your baby?

So out of those, you wanna know the messages? We have them here for you to look at. 655 were from, 4,200 were from.

And she just posted a picture talking about her boyfriend. She posted a picture on Facebook and I seen it. I seen it in your phone, it's saved as her contact in your phone. It's the same picture she posted and she was like, I love my boyfriend so much. In my head I was like, oh no, he's not messing with her. There's no way, bro. And you saw my results. You do this to me every time. Every time, bro.

So on top of the messages, we also have the accompanying photos that were in the phone. We have— I literally told you there's a whole—

I know you have photos, but these is recent. These is recent.

Nothing to say? What am I supposed to say? First, an apology.

I don't ever get an apology.

Accountability. You just told me that your words were that when you got together, you cheated, and you said it's because there was things I had available options to me and I hadn't grown as a man.

As a man.

Those are your words. So in the 5 to 6 years you've been together, you've continued the behavior. And as we know, as of 2 days, you're still continuing behavior. So from your own statements, you still haven't grown as a man. I guess you could say that, bro.

It's just so, whatever you say.

Um, the reason I'm being silent right now is because I understand some individuals like yourself. What you mean individuals like myself? There is nobody on this planet Earth like me. What you talking about, guy? So what I know about individuals like yourself is that you thrive in chaos. So the more that you—

Chaos?

So the more that you can get other people to match your life—

You don't even, bro, you don't even know nothing about me.

I don't even deal with chaos. I am the furthest person to deal with— Come on No. So individuals like yourself who thrive in chaos and use language that is aggressive or telling stories in circles, it's how you find yourself out of situations where people no longer are focusing on your behavior, but yet are trying to figure out how to calm you down, how to help you, how to solve things. It's manipulative, it's destructive, it's not healthy. And there is a way because you're only 26.

Mm-hmm.

There is time for you to grow out of this. And I actually do have empathy for you because I don't know your backstory, but I do know that there is something that has led you to this place and there is some type of love or support that you did not receive that is making you feel like this is what you have to get. But that is not one else's job to help you grow through that. That is your own job to grow through that.

Through that.

I'm gonna ask you, Ariana, because this is gonna be the first step for you to reclaim some of your power. Would you like Rayvon to sit on this stage or do you like him to leave?

I need him to be respectful to you.

Oh, I'm done. So I'm asking you, do you want him on this stage after the things you've just found?

"Get my bags and get me the fuck outta here.

Take me to the airport right now." He wanted to run regardless. You don't worry about that. You don't worry about that. That has been a manipulation tactic that he has used your entire relationship. That has been a manipulation tactic he has used his entire relationship. Did you see how I handled him? He can't combat calmness. He can't combat facts. What he's done his entire relationship is keep you wrapped up in the chaos so that you are consistently consoling him and feel indebted to him. And I know this hurts, but you said something to him is, you're not giving my space to heal. And that is a lie. You're not giving your own self the space to heal. You deserve more than this chaos. When you walk off this stage, I need you to say this mantra to yourself every single day, anytime, 'cause I know when you go back there, he's gonna do exactly what he's been doing. And when he does things to defend, to deflect, to gaslight, to manipulate, I want you to say, "I don't deserve chaos." I don't deserve chaos. If he says, You know what? That girl, no, no, she did this. That girl, no, I didn't do that. Oh my gosh, I didn't do this. What is your response?

I don't deserve chaos.

If you can say that out loud every time he does that and stay equally as calm, I promise you I have given you the first step to breaking the bond in this relationship and also rebuilding yourself as well. Trust me, I know what I'm talking about.

Yeah.

I wish you the best of luck, okay?

Thank you.

All right, so tell us about this 6:00 in the morning call.

Well, I'm asleep.

Uh-huh.

Me and my man asleep, and his phone just keeps ringing. It's just constantly ringing. So I get up, he's still asleep, and I'm on the phone and I'm like, hello, somebody keep calling, what's up? Who you looking for? And she was like, I'm looking for Littrell. I said, well, he's asleep. So she goes on and she says, well, I need to speak with him because we have a baby. Yes. So.

Okay, did you know that Littrell was having a baby?

No.

Okay, I just wanted to make sure. She might've known, I just need to be clear.

Nope.

Had any other women called Littrell's phone before?

No.

No, so that was the first time you ever had somebody call the phone?

That was the first time.

And not only did they call the phone, they talking about he's having a baby.

That he had a baby already.

That, oh, he already had a baby?

Yes, he already had a baby.

Oh, I missed that. I thought you were saying that she was like, we about to have a baby.

No, that he already had the baby. What? Yes.

And what happened when you confronted Etrell?

He denied it. He constantly denied it.

Uh-huh. So we doing a DNA test today?

No.

You unlocking his phone?

Yes.

Okay.

Yeah.

I got it. So who did he say the woman was?

He never said it. He kept denying it.

Okay then. So you don't have any information about that person who you spoke to at 6:00 AM in the morning?

Nope.

To this day?

Nope.

Okay, let me go back. How long were y'all together?

2 years.

2 years. How did you two meet?

I've been knowing Littrell for years. Long time.

Yeah. So it was a friendship before?

Yes.

Okay then. And what attracted you to Littrell at first?

Littrell is a very sweet man.

Did you have issues with cheating before?

Nope.

So this is new to his character 'cause he like—

This is real new.

Real new.

Yes.

And how long ago did this woman call?

Like a couple weeks ago now.

Oh, so this is recent, recent.

Yes.

Wow.

I know there's a big age difference between you and Latrell. What's the age difference?

I'm 36. He's 26.

Okay, okay, okay. That's not as big. I thought you were about to say something really bigger. Okay, 10 years. Okay, I understand. Okay, but immaturity-wise, that's where that becomes an issue.

Yes.

Have you felt like it becomes an issue in that?

Now, yes.

Yeah, because he can't do the things you need?

Yes.

Got it. So you told my producers you regret getting involved with Trell. Why?

Mainly because of that call and mainly because he likes to be in the hood.

Oh.

Yeah. Yeah.

No, okay, okay. So, and it's so funny because not one of us need another question. We was like, okay, we understood, we understood. Okay, what other concerns do you have with Littrell?

Other than being in the hood, I don't think he is ready for a person of my stature.

Got it, got it, got it. And so I'm assuming when you all got You believe that he was ready for that?

Yes.

All right, okay. And Littrell told my producers that you were the one cheating on him before that call. Is that true?

No, he's lying.

He's lying. He's lying. You would never cheat on him?

No.

So if the results come back that Littrell is cheating or has done something, what will you do?

It's done, it's over.

Okay then. Well, I think it's time to hear what Littrell has to say about all this. Everyone please welcome Littrell to the stage.

Hey, Mr. Karamo.

How you doing?

Fine. How you doing, Mr. Karamo?

I'm good, sir. Nice to meet you. You ain't shit.

What?

How you doing?

Fine.

You have great skin.

Thank you.

You're welcome. So Latrell, who's the woman calling your phone at 6 in the morning?

I don't know. It was some girl I dealt with, and like a year ago, I ain't—

You're lying.

I ain't heard from her in a minute. You're lying. You feel what I'm saying? I was sleeping.

She slept.

Me.

You're lying. You're lying.

You can't understand why if a girl call your phone at 6 o'clock in the morning.

He's a cheater. Yeah, he's a cheater. She slapped the shit out of me. He's a cheater.

I woke up like, what is going on?

He's a cheater.

She like, who is this girl calling from? I'm like, what is you talking about?

So why would this woman tell Sharika that you got a baby with her if she doesn't believe you two had a baby?

Man, I didn't deal with this girl in a long time.

So, but you're admitting that you did deal with this girl?

Yeah, I did, yeah.

So there was sexual relations at one point?

Yes.

Could that sexual relation have been 9 months ago? No. 10 months?

No.

8?

No.

Okay, how long ago are you saying that y'all had a relationship?

I ain't seen this girl in like 2, like a year and some change.

Okay, so what's interesting to me, if we're gonna do the math, thank you for being honest right there, is because you two have been together for 2 years. So if you're saying you haven't seen her in a year and a half, that means that during the time the last time you two were together, her claims of you being a cheater are valid?

No, we was on a break. We was on a break.

He lying.

We was on a break. You know how you have a break and she was dealing with some man and I was dealing with some man.

No, that's not true. No, it's not. No, it's not.

She was dealing with some man and I was dealing with some man.

So you're saying that while you two were on this break that you did deal with other women?

Yes.

So then there is a possibility that this woman who called your phone could really be having your child. No. Why? I don't believe, no. Just 'cause you don't believe it don't mean it's not true.

'Cause if it was there, it would've been popped up. If it was there, it would've been popped up.

Okay, okay then, okay. So are you cheating on Sharika right now?

No.

Okay.

No. Why you, no.

No, you're not?

No, I'm not.

Okay, okay, okay.

Is she cheating?

We'll find out.

Okay, okay.

We will find out.

Sharika, you don't believe the trial?

I don't.

At all, why?

No, I just don't because why would this girl call, keep constantly ringing the phone at 6 in the morning while we sleep. I'm asleep.

I'm asleep. But she smacked the shit out of me. I didn't.

So let me ask you this. So if a woman called my phone and said that she was having a baby for me, first of all, we got bigger issues. But let's say hypothetically if that happened to me, let's say, and then my woman pick up the phone and I say it's not mine, why would I not say, hey, let's go talk to this woman together so we can get this out and over with?

Yeah, yeah.

I would try and— I would tell her, hey—

Because from what she said, and I wanna hear I wanna hear your point of view. She said that you just avoided it and stopped talking about it and pretend like it's not there.

No, I told her, let's talk about this and that. But she like, no, this and that. I don't want her to get the shit out. She smacked the shit out of me.

I stopped breaking up her shit.

He's a liar.

So from your perspective, what happened?

I stopped breaking her shit up.

So in response to her accusing you, you thought like, let me break her stuff up?

Yeah, she smacked the shit out of me when I was asleep at 6 in the morning. Of course, what would you do?

You deserved it. You deserved to get smacked. You deserved it.

Listen, listen, I don't ever listen. I never condone physical violence. I never condone somebody getting touched.

He deserved it.

I was gonna say this. 6 in the morning, being called and told that the man that I'm in love with for 2 years has a child with someone else is going to elicit a response. I don't know if that was a proper response, but it was a response.

It was proper.

But me, after the slap, why you just ain't comfort and make her secure and let her know?

Because he was trying to talk to her.

He knew that it was his baby. Karamo, he knew that that was his baby.

He know. She says she wants to end the relationship and you want to save it? Yeah.

It's over.

Why do you want to save it?

Because she a good woman and I like older women. I don't like young women.

Why do you like older women?

Because they mature and—

They can take care of you?

Yeah. No, no, no, no, no. It's not that. You feel me?

You call that a Freudian slip.

No, no.

That mean the truth just came out. Came out.

Nah, I like older women because I don't like young women 'cause they young, dumb as shit. You know what I'm saying?

Listen, I think it's time to lock this phone. Okay.

Unlock, unlock, unlock.

Littrell, we unlocked your phone. All right, here we go. Sharika, you wanna know if Littrell has any explicit photos of other women in his phone. He says he does not. Ma unlocked the phone, investigators searched his photos and found that Littrell It's telling the truth.

See? Okay.

See, he's telling the truth.

All right, Sharika, you wanna know if Littrell has, was still in contact with a specific woman from his past named?

Yes.

Okay then. He says he is not. My locked-up phone investigator searched his calls and found that Littrell is not telling the truth. My investigator found 19 calls made to this specific woman named.

What? 19? 19.

19. Wow.

19.

We're done. We're done.

Wow.

We're done.

What were y'all talking about?

She just saying how, what I was doing. I was telling her I'm in a relationship. I can't do that shit. I cannot talk to you like that.

By the way, all this stuff that we found is in the last 2 weeks.

It's 19 months.

Oh, the last 2 weeks.

Okay. Wow. Wow.

All right, so Sharika, you wanna know if Lee Trell is texting any other women? He says he is not. My locked-up phone investigator searched his texts and found that Littrell is not telling the truth. My investigator found 92 text messages between him and 3 separate women. 77 of those text messages were with a new woman named. And there's one specific where she talking about she's pregnant. He said, I better not be pregnant. She said, boo, I'm scared. That was October 29th. That was the other day. I just asked you if you've been doing anything, you said no.

Oh Lordy, Mike.

So you got her pregnant?

No.

Well, she said she's scared.

She not pregnant, she not, she, woman say anything.

You got her pregnant?

Women don't say anything.

I did not have her pregnant. And I don't see no stomach bump, no nothing.

Listen, listen.

No push, no nothing.

We're done, you get on the plane by yourself 'cause I'm done. I'm done, I'm done, I'm done, I'm done.

Say you done?

I'm done. It's over. I'm done. He's not mine. That's the decision.

That's the decision.

It's over.

It's over.

I'm done. The best decision. How is that the best decision if we ain't see no proof yet?