I Can't Be A Cheater, I'm Too Ugly! | KARAMO

Shelly, so tell me, this man busted your windows out in your car?

Oh God, yes, this man. Excuse me, y'all. He busted the windows out my car, Karamo.

What?

This is wild. Okay, so tell us what happened.

Oh, I was accused of cheating on multiple occasions. So I guess just this particular day, he couldn't take it no more.

And so he decided to bust the window out in your car?

Walking, going, taking our daughter to school.

Taking your daughter to school?

He actually woke me up. And told me, "I don't know how to tell you this. Somebody broke your window out." Me sitting there, and I literally said, "Why did you break my window out?" "'Cause I know you." "I didn't do that. I hate when people say things like that, and I didn't." "Why did you break my window out?" And he literally did it, and my neighbor's Ring camera caught it.

[Speaker] Wow. Wow. Okay, so what else has Carl— He talking about that, "Got him." What else Carl done?

He see the tracker in my car. He has went on Facebook Live saying we were trying to set him up to kill him. What? Oh my God. Put a record, he took a phone and put the phone in the house so he could record my conversations. Yeah, so I didn't, yeah. What?

How long y'all been together?

Well, too long, right? She said it, too long. 12, almost 13 years.

13 years. 13 years. Okay then. And you brought me a screenshot of him tracking you. Let me see this.

Okay.

Okay.

Right there where it says Carl shot.

Yeah.

That's him. All the movements, that's me.

Got it.

And I'm getting my car repaired or I'm at the nail shop or I'm just going through every day.

Yes.

Oh, I didn't seen you over here and I saw you get out this car and you got in a car with somebody else and Left your car. I said, well, how the hell did you see me do that? You know, and I was somewhere everywhere, but I wasn't nowhere.

Yeah. And how did you find out they was tracking you? He told you?

He left his tablet and, you know, us. I went, looked, saw, tapped, stroked. Wait a minute, this say I went here.

When you say us, you mean nosy people? 'Cause I'd have been looking.

Yeah, us. Nosy people. Okay. Yeah, okay.

So I'm nosy. You got the tablet open, let me see what's going on. Okay, so outside of these things, you said 13 years together. So tell me about your relationship with Carl. There has to be some good moments.

Oh, there has been good moments. When I tell you this man here. Oh, thank you. This man here, he has been my rock. He has been there when I really was going through a lot. I'm about to get emotional, but he's a good person. He treated me well, but it was just, I guess he got to the point where He wasn't happy and instead of communicating that, he just went to looking and you know how they say, you look, you gonna find.

Do you think he's cheating?

He's a cheater.

He's a cheater.

He's a cheater.

What else has he accused you of?

Oh, let me see. I have, he's accused me of messing with coworkers. Not true. He says that I'm very sneaky and he is when I need to be. Okay. He has accused me of being a liar, but I haven't been an angel. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I have been the perfect girlfriend, 'cause I haven't. But I did have an infidelity situation, but it took my man 2 years later to discover that I cheated. So what was that?

And so you're saying that you cheated after he had been cheating that entire time?

Yeah, I did. Yeah, I did.

Okay, how's this affected your self-esteem?

I was at a really low point, a really dark spot. Like I really couldn't find happiness. Like I'm doing everything that this man is asking of me. Excuse me. Like I could actually sense when this man is going out here doing something wrong. There you go. And then he would still wanna act like it was me.

Yeah. Well, I heard your side of the story, you know, and there's always two sides. So let's hear what Carl has to say. So everyone, please welcome Carl to the show.

You know damn well I ain't bust that car window. I did not bust your car window.

Black man.

I did not bust your car window.

Don't do that.

I did not bust your car window. You've been cheating way before me.

Really?

You've been cheating way before me.

Black man, you was cheating when I first met you.

You was married, remember?

How you doing? I'm good, sir.

How you doing?

You were married, remember?

Were you married when y'all got together?

Yes, yes.

Were you cheating? And you was cheating on your wife?

Yes, I was.

Okay then. And so Carl, so that morning after you busted the window out the car, what were you thinking?

I didn't bust the window out the car. I did not bust that window out the car. I'm telling you, I did not bust the car. I'm the one that woke up and told her that the car window was busted. So whatever happened prior that night, I do not know.

So why?

It wasn't that night.

It was the other morning. 'Cause the Ring camera got it on you.

You took the to school and as you were walking back from taking to school.

I did not. I'm not on Ring.

The Ring camera has the audio.

Yes, you are. I'm not on Ring camera. I did not bust that window.

Okay. Karl, so you put a tracker in Chellie's car.

Okay, I did do that. I did do that.

I did do that. Tell me why.

But only reason why I did it because I work it every day and I was noticing that she was busy when I'm at work. But then when I'm off, her, she don't have nothing to do. So I'm wondering, I'm wondering like, why you so busy when I'm not home?

If you're off, why do I have to be working?

Nothing to do when I'm home.

If anything, if you're off, I should be at home laid up, booed up with my man. This is what I've been trying to get you to understand for years. Oh, you're moving different.

You're moving different. No, I needed you to be home when I'm not home.

What? How does this play out?

That's what I needed. That's what I was looking for.

That's not right.

That's not right.

That's what I was looking for.

That's not, how?

Why would you want her to be at home when you're not home? That would be controlling.

It would put me in a, I don't think it's control. I think it would put me in a comfortable position.

Controlling.

But that's control. 'Cause if I want you to be in one space when I'm not there, I'm controlling you and where you're at.

But I feel like this. So it's control, you know what I'm saying?

If he's off, Why wouldn't I not wanna go get my nails done, not go get my lashes done, and lay up at home with you? If you're going to work, then before you get going to work—

'Cause it looks like you got done doing whatever you doing in the streets, and now it's my turn.

You wait till these results come back and everything is everything, then you gonna be all right.

I already know the results, 'cause I seen—

You gonna be all right, okay? Well, she told me, she told my producer, Shelly told my producer that you are a serial cheater.

I'm more of a ugly dude with charm. I'll say that.

You said you're a what?

A ugly dude with charm. Let me explain. Like, I can't serial cheat because I don't have attractive features. Like, I'm not tall, I'm not cute in the face. I don't have money.

So who is? So who is? So who is? So let's just keep on rolling, baby. But you're not attracted though. I saw something in you.

But let me finish this. But you slept with them all. Charm, I use charm.

But you slept with them all, right?

I have, I have, I have.

But you're not a serial cheater though.

I steal ugly guy with charm.

That cheats.

Do you wanna get back together?

I love him.

I wanna go.

I love him, I love him. I wanna go. I do, I love him.

I wanna go.

I love him to death. I will move miles for this man.

That's how—

when I say he has been there for me.

It's just I have to heal from what happened, but I love her to death. I'm just scared if I go back, those memories gonna come back.

So that's what— I mean, like—

Well, this time don't lock the phone, okay?

You got memories.

Carl, we unlocked your phone.

Yes.

Chellie, you wanna know if Carl has a tracker on your phone? Carl says he does not. My lie detector investigator searched his phone and found that Carl is telling the truth. There's no tracker on your phone.

Yeah.

No, I told you, I'm off that, I'm off that.

Shelly, you wanna know if Carl has any provocative photos of her hidden in his phone?

I do not.

Carl says he does not.

That's a lie.

My lie detector investigator searched his photos and found that Carl He's telling the truth. Aw.

Okay. That's crazy.

Shelby, you wanna know if Carl's communicating with specific females that she does not like. Carl says he is not. My life's phone investigator searched his texts and found that Carl is not telling the truth. My investigator found 3 different females that he's in contact with as recently as last week. We got who says, hope you We got, oh yeah, we got.

Oh really?

We got Miss.

Big bag bitch, really?

We got Miss.

Excuse me, excuse me.

Thank you, Ross.

I literally asked you, was you messing with this chick? And you literally looked me in my face and told me no. You literally told me no. When I checked that bum at your mama's repass, oh no, it ain't nothing there.

Not at the repass.

You liar. You smashing a bitch that smashed your homie. You're nasty. "Oh, that's just my sister. Oh, that's just my sister." Sister my ass. When I see her, I'm gonna bust her in her shit 'cause she disrespected me. You don't disrespect me. I never disrespected that bum.

So you know Ms. 'cause with Ms., he says, "Sexy, love you." The old, old lady.

She older than me old.

Okay, and then we got the coworker.

Oh, I've been seeing the text messages in your phone about then when I asked your ass about, "Oh, that's just my coworker." This the chick that's sending you pics. Please, but you want me back. But you want me back though.

My ass.

I do want you back, I just haven't healed from what I've been through.

No, no, no, no, no.

How about, how about, how about I've never healed from the shit you've done to me over the last past 12, 13 years, Carl. You was cheating on me from day one.

How about?

Day one, bruh. You was cheating day one.

How about you hear me and understand?

It's nothing to hear. You still doing the same stuff.

I'm not healed.

That's why I haven't came back to you.

You're not healed? Oh, so you still wanna continue to be a hoe?

But if I'm not healed—

So you wanna continue to be a hoe with broke hoes and then just use me when it's convenient?

No.

You can be with them broke asses. You can have 'em all. You need to be with them trifling bitches sleeping by you and your best friend.

No.

Don't play with me.

Well, Shelly, we unlocked your phone as well.

Go ahead.

Here we go.

Go ahead.

Carl, you wanna know if Shelly is meeting up with any other men at hotels. Shelly says she is not. My unlock the phone investigator searched her GPS and found that Shelly is telling the truth. Carl, you wanna know if Shelly has been sexting specific male friends and coworkers. Shelly says she has not. My Lock the Phone investigator searched her texts and found that Shelly is telling the truth. Carl, you wanna know if Shelly has any explicit photos of her with other men in her phone. Shelly says she does not. My Lock the Phone investigator searched her phone and found that Shelly is telling the truth.

Please, child, your ass. That's why I called this show. That's why I wanted my name cleared. Because you made me feel like I wasn't nothing. You made me feel like I deserved everything that you gave. I don't deserve that. I deserve 20 times better. I'm done with this.

I'm done first.

Please, if you was done first, why did I leave? I packed my stuff and left.

Look, this is the bigger picture.

Karamo, this is the truth of the matter. Okay, you have had a horrible past and your horrible past based on a narrative you were telling yourself about your self-esteem, which was an incorrect narrative. Someone told you when you were younger that maybe you don't have traditional looks and so you started to use that as a way to be like, look at me, I don't have it, but I'ma still do this. And you've allowed that to damage a good relationship and a good woman. And that's surreal. And then y'all got into a toxic cycle where you loved each other because you were there for her and you know she's there for you. And then it just got worse and worse and worse. I know. And you said that you're not with her right now 'cause you need to grow. And that's the most truthful thing that you've said on this stage. You shouldn't be in this relationship 'cause you do have a lot of growth to do. First of all, you need to stop telling yourself this narrative about your self-esteem. You don't have low self-esteem. You don't think you ugly. You don't have any of that stuff. I just saw messages in your phone. You don't think that way. So stop saying it. You're in your 50s now. It's not attractive. It's not attractive. Own up. But then secondly, on top of that, you need to ask yourself, why are these side relationships more important than building something with someone you've had for 13 years? What are you afraid is gonna happen that you're gonna miss out on if you don't try to invest in something that has been by your side?— for 13 years?

I feel like I did.

You didn't, so let's start again. So why are you afraid of investing in this woman who has been by your side versus trying to talk to all these other people?

'Cause I'm a dumbass and I'm gonna take it.

I believe it's 'cause I'm just, I don't, I'm maybe protecting myself.

[Speaker] No.

Okay. 'Cause protecting yourself doesn't mean that you destroy somebody else. That's not how that works. Okay? So, 'cause let me give you a visual 'cause I like to make sure. If I was to build a fort up right now to say, let me protect me, I'm on this side of the fort. I'm not throwing darts at you. Okay? So that means that your analogy there doesn't work. So if you're protecting yourself, then you should be fine and she should be fine because there should be a divide between you all. But unfortunately, when you are doing these things, you're hurting her while also hurting yourself. So the question I ask you again is why are you afraid of investing in something that has been by your side, a woman that's been by your side for 13 years?

Because the woman that's been by my side have done things that hurted me that I believe I need to heal from. I've tried to invest in my relationship with her. That's why I decided to change my life for her. During this process, during this process, I just made more time to notice her and notice her past.

You changed your life for me, but you added more hoes under your belt as you're changing for me.

Come on now, be for real.

So the one thing that we know is the only thing that's not broken in this relationship is not just your windshield, it's also the trust that's shattered. The truth of the matter is, is the more that you tell him that you'll stay with him 'cause you love him so much, You are giving him permission.

I love him, I do. I do, I do. But we are in two different places. He's here and I'm there. And I think that's probably the best.

That is the best. That's probably the best. I'd really probably tell you define, redefine what love means.

Okay. No, I was never sexually involved with. No, there was no sexual anything between me and. And you still was out fucking though.

You done been through 3 different phone numbers, 3 different phones.

Since we been broke up, is it any fucking thing in my phone? Is it any nudies of me and a dude in my phone? Since we broke up though.

You asking me why am I like this? Why am I messing with this person? Why am I messing with that person? I'm explaining it to you by telling you it's because all the stuff that you did to me, I haven't healed from.

How the fuck do you think I've been feeling for the last 10, 12 years, Carl? You damaged me. Whatever it was that was bothering you or whatever it is that you felt like you needed truth from. Those should have been the fucking questions that you asked instead of asking all this old random off-the-wall shit.