I Had Your Baby In Prison! | KARAMO

All right, so you said you know the exact time and place where your child was conceived. Talk to me about that.

You know, I had gotten in some legal trouble, you know? So I was in a program like work release. So I had time in and time out, but while I was in, I could only go to work. So I mean.

So you knew that it happened at work?

Yeah.

Okay, you're like, okay.

Yeah, basically, I mean, I've been with this man for years. We're gonna figure it out one way or another.

How many years y'all been together?

We were together for 6 before we split.

6 years. And so you was at work when you would meet up with him? Yeah.

Okay then.

I was working at IHOP at the time.

And what y'all was doing at IHOP?

In the car.

In the car, okay.

Right.

Okay. And so, and why do you need this DNA test then? So you're so sure where it was?

Well, this is what happened. I ended up getting incarcerated, you know, but the day before I got incarcerated, I had taken a pregnancy test and it came up negative. So then I ended up getting incarcerated and then during my incarceration find out that I am pregnant. So in Junior's head, you know, all of a sudden I'm just pregnant.

So what does he think, a correctional officer is the father?

He's said things like that before, but also like, so he came to see us once the baby was born and from the very first time he saw her, he's like, oh, this baby's real cute. Are you sure she's mine?

Oh, so because the baby's cute, it couldn't be his?

That's what I said. I said, you act like you don't make cute kids. We got a 4-year-old, she's beautiful too.

I mean, she is. She is beautiful. That is a cute baby. She look like a little teddy bear.

Yeah, she's a cutie.

Oh my gosh, okay. So because of her look is why he's denying the child?

Yeah, I guess. He just didn't believe that she looked like him.

Okay then.

So I mean, he came and kept seeing us or whatever, you know.

While you were in jail, he was seeing the child?

Prison at that point, yeah. So yeah, he came to visit, he brought my other daughter. Oh yep, those are some pictures. That was her first Halloween.

Oh, so this is your other daughter with him?

Yep, and then that's my other daughter. That's when he came to visit one time. They do Polaroids in the visiting room.

Yes, yes, yes, yeah. So his family also denies them?

Yeah, so once we came home and they got to see the baby, they're like, oh, Junior, that baby doesn't look like you. That baby doesn't look like you. And he already has this little doubt in his mind, you know what I mean? So them feeding into it is making him Question everything.

Even more.

And so it's really important for me to get the DNA test because I don't want my daughter growing up having any kind of question about it, you know what I mean? And then also I don't want him thinking or treating my daughter differently because he doesn't know for sure if that's his baby. You know what I mean? Because he's a great dad to our 4-year-old.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So talk to me about your pregnancy because if you were pregnant during this time you were going through all of this, was it a rough pregnancy?

Yeah, I mean, in general, I have health issues that make any pregnancy complicated for me. So I kind of got accommodated for that a little more. I mean, people, anybody that's been to Bedford will say like, Bedford only cares about the babies and the puppies. And that's true.

Yeah.

Once the baby is born though and you come back from the hospital, you get put to the nursery and the nursery, you don't even feel like you're in jail anymore.

Yeah.

We have carpeting, we have real couches, we had a refrigerator. Yeah. Yes.

Okay, so it was better. Yeah. So if anybody don't know, Bedford's a jail, just in case you were wondering.

Oh yeah, Bedford is New York State's maximum security prison and they give you the opportunity to keep your baby there if you end up pregnant and incarcerated at the same time, so.

Who cared for your older child while you were still locked up?

Junior.

How old is the youngest now?

She's 16 months now.

16 months, okay. Was he upset that he had to care for your oldest while you were in jail?

A little bit. She's a little girl.

Yeah.

She should be with her mom.

Yeah.

You know? And it's hard. I mean, I understand where he's coming from. Like, it's hard for a single man to try to raise a little girl, you know?

That's hard for any parent, alone.

Yeah, you know, so he would complain a lot.

Okay. Are you two still together now?

No.

You're not together now? Mm-mm. Okay then.

No.

When did you move out?

June.

In June you moved out. Okay. Are you still maintaining that friendship?

No, we're toxic.

You're toxic. Okay. Well, the good thing is that you know that and that you're not staying in it because the thing is that would be worse for the little girls. So the fact that you two have decided, you know what, let's not be together is the best thing. But now I understand even more why this DNA truth matters. It's because you need to know this because—

I mean, people have enough bad to say about me. You know what I mean? All black and white. I'm not a good person. You know, but there's that gray area.

Well everyone, let's welcome Junior to the show so we can hear his side of the story.

How you doing, Junior? How you doing, sir?

Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. Yeah. Why do you feel like you need this test today?

Since I met her, sir, she's been deceitful.

Yeah.

You know, I got out here, she know I don't know nobody in the neighborhood.

Yeah.

And yet she still did certain actions that was uncalled for.

Got it.

I met her, I haven't spent a whole year together with her on the streets. You know, she's in and out of the programs, this and that. I go through her phone and instead of trying to fix your family, she's looking for more boyfriends. More people to do this and this with.

Is that true?

You know?

I would like to comment on that.

Yes, please do.

Okay.

Yeah, whatever you wanna say.

He's talking about, oh, I come home and he looks at my phone and I'm looking for more boyfriends. With somebody that I went to high school with asking, "How are you?" And I said, "I'm good, my family's good, I'm happy." I'm not talking about that part.

I'm talking about when I was with and you was in that program in Albany and I'm going through your phone and you're worrying about having sex and this and this instead of fixing your life. If I'm taking responsibility for our child and you getting in trouble, when you get out, you're supposed to act accordingly.

Yeah.

Go out there and be a mother.

Okay.

You know, you're not supposed to be looking for sex. You're not supposed to be looking for a boyfriend. Companionship, fix your life together. Don't go out there looking for love for what? I did the hard part. You're constantly going to jail, constantly going to prison. And you gotta keep in mind, Mr. K, it's a little girl. If it's a boy, it'll be different, but it's a little girl. That little girl cried about her mom all the time.

Yeah, yeah. And I had a daughter.

Just like she crying about her dad now.

Why do you think that Ayla is not your baby?

'Cause it's weird how she got pregnant. 'Cause you heard what she said. She said she took a negative test and it was negative. And you gonna take a polytest while you was incarcerated? And you know how prison go, they crooked.

Mm-hmm. Yeah, so there's doubt because of that.

Yeah, and then when I also give her a phone, I go through her phone, it's nothing but dudes.

Is there anything you need her to know that you haven't opened up about?

I just want her to be grateful and respect the stuff that I did for her and not making it seem like it was nothing.

Okay.

'Cause I slept on the floor with our kids.

If you want me to like put you on a pedestal, then stop trying to put me down. For everything I'm doing right now when I'm doing everything. What am I doing wrong, Junior? Take care of both of our kids.

Just 'cause you're not doing nothing wrong don't mean you didn't leave scars on people.

I understand that, but you haven't been an innocent player in all of this either.

What have I done for you?

Oh my goodness.

To be there for you. I moved you out the state. I moved you out the state.

Stop, Junior.

And you crossed me. Am I lying? Then tell me I'm lying.

There's been, yeah, he's been there. Yeah, he picks up the phone. Yeah, but there's been times where I needed you to be there And you didn't give a shit.

If the DNA truth reveals that you are the father, how are you going to deal?

I wanna be a part of my children. Like, I never view me not being in the household with all my children, but I never view me being with a person like herself. Got it. 'Cause I'm not used to what she's used to, her lifestyle, her background.

Okay.

You know?

Yeah.

I mean, he can say all that. One more thing, he can say all that, all the things that he's complaining about, like we're not, We're not detailing them, you know, but when I came home from prison, what was I doing? Anything like that? Anything like that? I'm saying I came home, right? The whole time I'm in prison, he's on the phone, this is what it's gonna be, this is what it's gonna be, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. We're happy, you know? You hold up your end, I'll hold up my end type thing. I came home, I had a job within 2 weeks. Nothing is up to par for him.

[Speaker:KARAMO] Got it. I gotta ask you one more question before we get to this DNA truth. If this is not your child, what will you do?

If it's not my child, I'm just gonna be hurt. I'm gonna be saddened 'cause you know, I sacrificed a lot still, no matter what she may think. I drove up to Bedford. I drove with our oldest daughter. Here, there go your mom. Let's go see your sister.

[Speaker:KARAMO] Got it. Well, this is the DNA truth in this envelope for the 16-month-old child that Junior, you're not sure is yours or not. Casey, you're the one who called the show and wanted this DNA truth. So this is your truth to open, not mine. Here you go.

I read it out loud, right?

Yeah.

Casey Jr. is Ayla's biological father.

Well, that's good.

Yeah. I want to say one more thing. Say it. One more thing, okay? I may have done a lot of crazy stuff things in my life, you know what I mean? But to question the baby being yours or not, I do, I've committed crimes.

Yes.

Okay? I figured, girl, you know what I mean? But when do I cheat on you?

Okay.

When?

Tell me when I cheat on you.

I just thought when you was in Albany, I said, "Oh, maybe I'm in the wrong." When you had a whole girlfriend living in your house.

Now listen, this is the thing. You had a whole girlfriend living in your house, I'm trying to move on too. What we know now is, what we do know now is that this is your child. What we know now is that this is your child. And so what I've heard before is that you did step up, you've taken care of your child. So what I'm assuming is that you'll step up and do the same for this.

Of course.

What I do wanna say to you all though is that now that we understand that these are both your children, co-parenting has to happen. And there's two things that has to happen in this co-parenting that I've witnessed already. You have to stop the way you're talking about yourself because part of the way you're talking about yourself is going to be what continuously gets you back in the situations. You continuously bring up your own bad, you continuously tell people a narrative about yourself. And when you tell people about the book that they haven't read, once they open the first page, you're gonna go ahead and start writing all the words that you've already told them. So I'm encouraging you to stop doing that. This is not who you are. But the second part is, as co-parents now, nothing more, it is imperative that you only speak good about her in front of these kids and to the public. Because what's gonna happen now is that the way that her children see her and the way that the children see their own life will also be directly related to how they see their mother. And even though you're their father and you'll be with them, what I know to be true with working with kids working with adolescents, working with 18-year-olds, teenagers who are about to become adults. If they have a parent that's stable in their life, but they also have a parent that is not doing well, they will eventually start to assume anytime they do something wrong that maybe I'm the other parent. So if you speak about the mom in a positive way, they will hear positive characteristics about their mother. And even if she made a choice to do something bad, they'll say, you know what, my dad's good and my dad tells me there's positive in my mom and I'm probably gonna take the positive qualities. But if you're speaking negativity over her, those children will hear that and that will attach to their self-esteem and their mental health as well. Trust me, I've seen it a lot of times. So you both need to watch how you talk about yourself and how you talk about her.

Okay.

Trust me. Everyone, thank you for being with us. Make sure to come back next time, friends, so we can keep talking and growing. I love you all.

Mm-hmm.