I Know You Cheated On Me During Your Casino Trip! | KARAMO

Last summer, something happened that made me completely shift my trust in my relationship. Wanda went to a casino with her niece, and from the moment she left, it was just— something wasn't right. First of all, the trip was not planned. Secondly, she told me that she was going to one casino but ended up at a totally different casino. I'm working a 12-hour shift, and usually she always sends me updates. Like, she's always sending photos. You know, she's taking pictures of the moment. She's highlighting the moments and whatnot, but— I'm getting nothing. There's no photo trail. There's nothing. At this point, I'm thinking, you know, she's not just there with her niece. It has to be something more. She might be entertaining someone else, you know? To be honest, I feel like there might be another guy. I don't know, and it's driving me crazy. I really don't know. That's the hard part. And honestly, I just can't shake this casino trip thing. It's like fresh in my mind even though it happened last summer. So I'm here for answers today. I want her phone unlocked. Something's not right.

Well listen, we'll meet Robert shortly, but let's get started with his girlfriend Wanda and hear what she has to say. So everyone, welcome Wanda to the show. Wanda, so tell me about this casino night 'cause that's like where this is all starting it sounds like.

Karamo, look, it's like this. The trip wasn't planned like he said, but he knew I was going. Me and my niece decided to take the trip, went down there to have fun with some money. Pictures? Who got time? I'm trying to get that bread.

Okay, yeah. So you was there to gamble and you weren't there worried about a photo.

Exactly, get that money, get that money.

Were there other guys there?

Were there? It was a lot of guys there, but not with me. Got it.

In the casino.

Exactly, but not with me.

Why weren't you in contact with him while you were there? 'Cause it sounds like he feels like that there's a pattern of you always being in contact with him. Is that true?

That's true, but before we left, we had some words. Before I left, we had some words.

Okay.

So I was like, I'm not gonna be wasting my time texting him, showing, you know.

So not only was it an argument, but it was also like, I'm having fun.

Yes.

Understandable. So let me get back to this. Does he always ask you, who decided that you need to be checking in? Was that something you just started doing in the beginning of the relationship or was it something that he felt he needed?

It was something he felt he needed 'cause, you know.

He wanted you to like just say hello and check in.

Right.

Okay.

He's upset you don't send him photos anymore.

I do all the time.

Okay.

Not at that moment I didn't. Just trying to get that money.

Did you win any money?

Did I?

How much money you win? Yeah, Q coins. Don't tell nobody.

That's Q coins, that's right.

Okay, I got it. So how long have you two been together?

Oh, going on 2 and a half years.

2 and a half years?

Mm-hmm.

2 and a half years, got it. And is this the first time he's accused you of cheating?

Yeah, that's when it started. Okay. Yeah, that's when it started.

Okay, so 2 and a half years y'all been together. It seems like you're very happy.

Yeah, I love him. He's a good guy.

Who does he think you're cheating on him with?

Just the other day he told me, "Well, oh, I know who it is now. I know it's your ex." What? That's the person you told me to mainly cut off 'cause it's like a special friend to me. You know, he was always there for me in my life.

Yeah.

But with this relationship, In our relationship here, he's not there. He asked me to cut off my male relationships and that's what I did, so.

And you are here to prove that you haven't been speaking with other men. That's why you're here.

Absolutely.

So we're just unlocking your phone alone.

Mm-hmm.

We're not unlocking his.

No, I mean, I'm not, this is your life.

Well, my producers are telling me that when we asked if we could unlock his, he immediately put the kibosh on that and said no.

Really? Oh well. Well, that's his thing, but I mean, like, I don't have a trust issue with him, but you know.

You don't have any trust issues?

No, I don't have any trust issues. Like, I trust him.

Yeah.

But they always say the one who's accusing is always the cheater. So I told him that. So I said, maybe they should unlock your phone.

Well, I wanna meet Robert and hear his side of the story. So everyone please welcome Robert to the show. How you doing, Robert?

How you doing, Karamo?

Nice to meet you. Likewise. All right. So I gotta ask you, do you think that the visit to the casino was the only time that she cheated?

Yeah, it's when I began to pay attention to her behaviors. Got it. In regards to how we communicated while apart from one another, yeah.

Yeah, you said that she would usually update you, send you photos, and then that night it stopped.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Do you think she's talking to other men right now?

I'm not altogether certain. No, I'm not certain as to like who, who. Nonetheless, you know, she's just, she's just, she's just different now. You know what I mean? It's like a vibe. You know, women have their intuition thing. You know what I mean? But like we got gut.

You know what I mean?

And it works.

So what changed in the relationship that made you not trust her?

She's a picture lady. Like she likes to highlight our moments. You know what I mean?

You heard what you said? Our moments. Correct, correct. Our moments. Correct, correct. When I was with today, like I had to do that.

All right, well look.

But I did take a picture to show you who I was with before I got ready to leave. Remember we had the little discussion?

About you going to the casino?

No, about you being with an attitude. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that part.

Potentially, but you know, it had nothing to do with—

So she's saying y'all had an argument, so that's why when she got to the casino, she was like, I'm just gonna have my fun, not dealing with you.

Yeah, he said he's gonna block me too, I don't even know.

He said he was gonna block you?

Yeah, he gonna block me.

Oh, got it. That makes sense why she didn't send you a photo immediately. Okay. But that's a big jump to say not sending a photo to cheating.

Well, yeah, correct.

Yeah, it is, exactly.

That's the part I'm missing. How do we jump from no photo to cheating?

All right, here is the cheating thought, right? Come into a room. Here we go. I come into a room or our room and now it's suddenly, you know, she shifts with the phone. So that, not that I just come to just observe what it is that she's texting or viewing or whatever the case might be, but it's just the little subtle shifts. You know what I mean? And it's like—

Do you make those subtle shifts?

No.

You don't?

That's just his mind. Okay then.

All right, it could be, but still in all honesty—

Have you ever told her like, when you shift suddenly or when you do things, it makes me feel like you're hiding stuff?

Yes.

Yeah, he's told me that. And then I try to not move and then he be like, well.

"That ain't good enough either.

Like, I don't know what to do." He said, "I be all screwed up sometimes." All right, pardon me. I love you. I feel confident that I made the right choice in a partner, you know what I mean? Nonetheless, you know, you just falling back now. Like, I don't know what's up, you know what I mean? And I'm sharing that with you, you know?

And I'm really getting it out. So you feel like her commitment's not in it? Her heart's not in it?

Absolutely, yeah. You know, it's just, it's just, It's just different.

So my producer told me you've gone to the casino before and videotaped her winning.

Mm-hmm.

Why?

Yeah, because that's just something that we do. That's what we do.

Oh, y'all be turned up in a casino.

Yeah, yeah, but still and all, like, that's something— that was me recording that nonetheless.

So also, so it sounds like the casino is a thing that you do together. So did it hurt your feelings that she went with somebody else and didn't go with you?

I never thought about that. That's what it probably was. Absolutely.

I never looked at it like that, you know what I mean? Maybe, but she's not fully into me. I don't know. Again, like it's just weird. It's like something ever since that night, ever since that night, it's like, it's just been a little, it's been a little suspect to me.

Got it. Have you seen anything on her phone before?

No, again, I don't have solid proof, but she's giving me the vibe. Like she's giving me the vibe that, for instance, she's not usually on her phone around me and I'm like, Well, what's that about?

'Cause you make me feel uncomfortable being on my phone around you. It's always like I'm doing something wrong. Like I'm doing something wrong.

You told my producers that you have separation anxiety from her. In what ways?

Separation anxiety.

Yeah.

Damn, I spoke those words.

Yeah, you did.

Yes, you did. Yes, you did. You did.

I love her, like I said. I love you so much. I do appreciate her.

No, I love you.

No, no, we gonna figure out what this phone thing is about though. We definitely gonna figure out.

There's nothing to figure out. You gonna get your ass beat for that.

You know, the separation anxiety is, it prompts me to just consider more of what she's doing away from me. I don't know. I never had, because she's always in communication with me, Karamo.

That's what I think that is.

It's not me.

But it was just that one night she wasn't in communication.

But since that night it's been less and less and less when she's away from me. Correct. All the time. All the time. Like nobody else really comes to our world too much.

Well listen, I think since this is what's causing all the issues is the phone, let's get you your transparency. It's time to unlock the phone.

All right, unlock it.

All right, Wanda. We unlocked your phone.

Mm-hmm.

Robert, you wanna know if Wanda has any DMs between her and other men?

Correct.

She says she does not. My Lock the Phone investigator searched her DMs and found that Wanda is telling the truth.

That's right. Absolutely, absolutely.

Robert, you wanna know if Wanda has made any calls to other men. She says she has not. My locked phone investigator searched her calls and found that Wanda is telling the truth.

Hello. Thank you, thank you.

Robert wants to know if Wanda is texting other men.

I'm texting you, babe.

She says she is not. My ethical investigator searched her texts and found that Wanda is telling the truth.

Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you.

However, my investigator left a note here and said there's 3 videos, Karamo, a text change between the 2 of them that he needs me to see. Can I see this? You can't even text. We grow up. Get in that blank. You broke my heart while getting your back broke. I know blank. You're, well, "Try to call me when you're finished. Neither stay with it. Enjoy yourself." These are recently. "It must be real good to be right now, baby, because you ain't calling me. I know it's good." That's you. Say his name.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

"I know you're not going to call." Mm-hmm.

And I see, I try not to respond to his BS because I know what I'm not dealing with. I know exactly what I'm not dealing with, so hey.

Well, my phone can be unlocked. I don't have no problem with that.

Yeah. Okay.

I don't have no problem with that.

Well, it's not about unlocking the phone right now at this point. Earlier we could have unlocked your phone to give the transparency, but she said she doesn't have trust issues with you. So if she doesn't have trust issues with you, I don't have no reason to have trust issues with you. Got that. What I do have an issue with though is that I think that your codependency has triggered paranoia and insecurities in you.

Okay.

And that's what it is about. And what's happening now is that instead of dealing with it, it's festering and turning into like messages like this that become destructive. And so what's happening is that you feel your woman pulling away, but it's because in actuality you're pushing her.

Okay.

When I hear someone in a relationship say, "I feel on pins and needles." Wow. We've got some big issues here.

Yeah.

Wow. I didn't know I made her feel that way.

Talk to your man. Tell him what you're feeling.

Well, I knew that you were uncomfortable at times, but I didn't know that It was to that extreme, you know what I mean?

Yeah. I tell you that all the time. You look fabulous, big girl. Thank you.

Here you go.

It don't make me don't wanna be with you, but I'm just tired of it. I'm tired, I'm too grown for that.

Yeah.

I love you, I tell you I love you unconditionally. I'm never trying to say you're cheating on me 'cause I don't think that you are. I know how much you love me and you showed me As well, but the words, like I tell you, words, hey, they sting. You don't forget words. You don't forget 'em. Yeah, they were ugly. And it hurts. It really do.

This is a time for us to check in and for you to talk about what you're feeling, your insecurities, your issues, and hear her out so y'all can get stronger together.

Yeah. Yeah, thank you. Thank you, Karamo.

Honestly, you gotta either bet on this relationship or you gotta cash out.

Nah, I wanna bet on it. I'm ready to be accountable for that. And I hear you.

Yeah.

Today, baby, I do.

Yeah. Thank you. Yeah.

I'm gonna tell you, I actually sincerely believe you did hear her. I actually do believe it. But I would also tell you, as you're remembering the woman that she is, there was some part of you that has been triggered that may be a past relationship that you ain't really dealt with yet.

That's what I told him too. I said, the way you talking to me, you must have been through some things 'cause I didn't give you that, but I gave you that.

Have you been through something?

In my past relationship, yes.

Did someone break your trust?

Super, yeah, super broke it, yeah.

Super broke it?

Yeah, absolutely.

And you were in love with her?

Yeah.

And you thought she was gonna be the one?

Yep.

And then she broke it. How long ago was that relationship? I know y'all been together for 2 and a half years, but after?

Yeah, it must have been about 4 years now, 4. Okay.

So it is recent. So what this just informs me is that the pain that you have from that, you didn't fully heal from. And so what's happening is that the smallest thing is reminding you of that woman. And before you get hurt again, you decide that you wanna hurt her. Just spend some time with yourself and realize you gotta do a little bit more healing from that. Remember, part of that is gonna remind yourself that you can make better decisions, that you are more aware.

Yeah.

Clearly, You were aware in this situation it was the wrong, but what I'm trying to tell you is remind yourself that you're not the same guy that's just gonna be, have the wool pulled over his eyes.

Correct.

You were strong enough to make better decisions, to see it ahead of time. That's how you start healing that part of the mistrust that you have. And then secondly, you gotta remind yourself and look at the woman again.

Look at her.

She's not showing you that she's doing anything. She's including you in her life. She wants to be there with you. Do that work on yourself. Remember the woman you have, and I swear y'all can be happy for many, many years. For real. I want y'all to be happy.

Yeah.

I hear you.

Actually, I believe it's going to work out.

Y'all got faith? We got faith.

We got faith.

We got faith in y'all.

Yeah.

Thank you.