I Still Feel Like A Prisoner In My Marriage! | KARAMO

Sit down for me. So you had a breaking point in your marriage with Shay?

Absolutely. I can't take it no more. We went from being best friends and now it's all we do is fight and argue and I can't take it no more.

I know how when it gets to that place, but I need to back up a little bit. So y'all met behind bars.

We did.

Okay, tell me how that worked out.

I was broken. I lost my family. I lost everything when I went to jail. I was so depressed, I wouldn't even get out of my bed. And then, you know, about 5 months later, here she comes and she won't leave me alone. She's just there all the time. Hi, you know, how you feeling? How you doing? I'm like, get away from me. No, she's just very persistent. And so she got me to where I was talking to people again. I was getting out of bed. I was exercising.

Why we keeping on the mug shots? My producers are so shady.

Oh my God.

They out, they free. They're terrible.

They are terrible.

Exactly. They so shady. Okay, so she was pursuing you.

Mm-hmm.

And then you became more than friends.

We did.

Okay.

We did. Well, I kind of told her I had feelings for her before we went to prison.

Okay. So there was a little history before y'all went to jail.

Yeah, just a little bit. Just, you know, I'm not ready for anything right now, but eventually, you know, I'll still be here when all them other girls are gone. Going through college.

Okay, confident, got it.

Mm-hmm.

Okay, very, right? Okay. But when did the cheating start?

About 2 weeks after we made it official, which is when we got out of prison.

I know you gottin' out, but did y'all have that conversation, said we want monogamy?

Well, no.

Okay, would you have been down for a little, you know?

At first, I just got out of prison, you know, at first it was one way, but you know, It wasn't that way for very long.

Okay, so you would have been down for a little if there was open communication.

Exactly.

Okay, my producers told me something that I thought was a little wild. She could have been released from jail earlier, but she stayed in because of you?

Yeah, I was panicking. They wouldn't send me back to a rehab or anything like that. They said I had to go to prison, and I was so terrified. She said, well, you know what? Instead of going on probation, how about I just sign with you? So she signed with me. We literally rode to prison together on the same bus.

It's so misguided, but also so sweet.

We got out 6 days before.

I can't even lie, I'm not even gonna front. Like if I was on the outside, I would've give her different advice, but that is very sweet. How long was her, was it extended because she stayed with you? Like was it another month, 2 months?

No, it was another year.

Another year?

Yeah, 18 months.

18 months?

18 months.

Wow. That's the misguided part, you see?

All right, that's the—

it's sweet, but it's the misguided part. Okay, so are you married now?

We are.

You are married?

We are.

Okay, congratulations. I love love.

Thank you.

My producer, I remember telling me that she accused you of sleeping with her brother.

Oh yeah, yeah. I'll have you know, I was— I don't like him at all. I mean, I don't like him.

Yeah.

He irks my nerves.

Yeah, so I just wanna confirm, 'cause I always have to ask, You're not sleeping with her brother?

Absolutely not.

There's been no intimate relationship at all?

Absolutely not.

Okay, good.

I just wanna be clear, you know what I mean? I think it's time to hear what Shay has to say. So everyone please welcome Shay to the show.

What the fuck do you mean?

What do you mean, what do I mean?

What the fuck you mean by me cheating and me going off of you and stuff like that? Do you talk about the times where you went off on me?

Yes, I did. I said it's become where it's tit for tat now. And it's killing me because it hurts my heart doing that to you. It breaks me. You're my best friend. You're supposed to be my best friend.

Shay, you told my producers that you two stopped having sex.

Yes. We stopped having sex because of the simple fact that For one, she accused me every single day of cheating. But also you can insult me, you could call me out my name, you can belittle me and call me a nigger. Ooh.

You do that, girl?

You tell me that you wanna.

Okay, you know that's a no-no, girl.

It was the one thing, she was my best friend. It's the one thing I knew would set her off. My kids are mixed. It had nothing to do with that. That's not an excuse. I was specifically trying to piss you off is why I said that.

That's not an excuse. Excuse?

You think I didn't feel bad for saying it?

And then honestly, it's also you saying that you wanna fuck with me.

But you're not gonna mention that you wake me up all hours.

You're saying that you wanna fuck with my brother.

I only say it because you're constantly accusing me of it. I've had it, Shay, I've had it.

Then what the fuck you think I had it with?

You wake me up, I don't get to sleep anymore because you wake me up all hours of the night accusing me of cheating.

Okay, you wake me up in the morning. You accuse me of cheating on you. She wake me up in the morning saying, "Oh, you talk to that bitch last night? Oh, you wanna go fuck that bitch last night?" Like, what the fuck? What is that?

So now I understand why you think that she's sleeping with your brother because she said it to you.

Yes.

Got it.

My whole thing is—

I wanna ask you a question first really quickly. Did you really stay in jail an extra 8 months longer to be with her?

Yes, I rid out for her. I stood up for her. You know, I didn't let nobody mess with her. And I'm still like that to this day. She focused on accusing me of cheating, trying to find some female that I'm talking to. She don't focus on what I do for her and these kids. She don't understand the relationship I have with these kids. Their own damn father don't want nothing to do with 'em.

Do you appreciate the—

I do. They call her dad.

And so y'all are raising them together?

She's the only person they have ever known.

Yeah, okay. I'm gonna ask you both point blank. Have you, Heather, ever cheated on Shay?

Never.

Shay, have you ever cheated on Heather?

No.

Okay. How do you feel about Heather?

I love Heather. I love Heather 'cause she's a genuine person. She's a very passionate, nice, genuine person. But what I do not love about Heather is her emotional ways. And she, you know, when somebody talk about something, they can get over it. She can never get over it. It's always aggressive, aggressive, aggressive, aggressive. I never get time to breathe and be like, leave me alone.

Is that true?

Well, I've had a rough past. You live and you learn. And she's hurt me enough times at this point that I'm struggling.

I'm trying to figure out how do I hurt you? How? You have not physically seen one female that come in the yard, but there's multiple dudes that come into your yard.

You make fun of me all the time. You're picking up, those people you defended me from in prison, you have become. And you know what? Them people, it never bothered me. I didn't care about them. I didn't give two fucks what they thought. But you, you know how bad you're breaking my heart. I am in love with you.

It destroys me. I'm in love with you too, but when you go on your rants, when you can't control your emotions, It breaks that bond, it breaks that trust.

And it's not a two-way street, right? No, it's just me, right? That's what you're saying, it's just me?

Because I'm not saying it's just you.

I've got to the point where it's tit for tat. When you hurt me, I can't help but lash out. I have nothing left. All I do is lash back out at you. When you hurt my feelings, I go after you in every way I can think of, 'cause I want you to see how bad you hurt me. I want you to hurt as bad as me.

So you saying, so you telling me that when you say, oh, I wanna go fuck you, this person, you're not satisfying me, I wanna go fuck that man, I wanna go fuck that man, I wanna go have sex with that man. How can you say anything about a man when you're with a whole female? How?

Because it bothers you?

You need to choose what you want. This is real life, sweetie.

I want you.

This is real life.

You are the first person in my whole life I have ever been faithful to. And you're right, you are a female. And we don't have sex and I am still faithful.

I'm gonna come over here with you a little bit 'cause I already know she's gonna get a little aggressive.

I'm not.

Shay, did you feel more free in jail than you feel now?

Do I feel more free in jail?

Yeah, than you do in this house.

Oh yeah, because it's something, I feel like I'm isolated. I'm from the city, she's from the country. It's a different. We come from two different environments. I want to go travel and work. I'm used to traveling. I can't even go travel 'cause this girl be like, I be like, "Babe, you know I'm not making the money that I'm supposed to be making here 'cause this is a low economy, like a low income environment we live at. So therefore I wanna branch out and go somewhere else and make a higher income for not only me, but to provide for you and the kids." But how am I supposed to do that when you all, you tell me, If you go, you don't even have to come back.

You say that?

I do. If she wants to leave me, she can leave, but she—

I got it. Okay, I got it. Shay, Heather also turned over her phone to our unlock the phone investigator. And Shay, you want to know a couple things as well. Has Heather been communicating with a specific list of men? If Heather has been using any apps to communicate with other men and women? And if Heather has been communicating with your brother, his name is Trayvon? Trevon?

Yes, Trevon.

And if Heather has any explicit photos on her phone, what's on the line for you if any of that stuff comes up?

We're done. I can't deal with that because of the simple fact that I'm not finna keep putting these kids in an unhealthy situation. I love those kids to death, but at the end of the day, I can't go to courthouse for them kids. I go to courthouse for my son, but I can't go to courthouse for them kids. Don't matter how much I love you.

Before we get to the unlocking phone results, Shay's brother Trey is here.

Here.

Please welcome Trey to the show.

Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. Hey, Karamo, can I talk my right quick? This relationship toxic as shit. Shay, you could do way better than her. And I'm going ahead and correct you, bro. Wipe that shit, bro. I don't give a fuck about no camera right now. I'm going ahead and correct that shit, bro. At the end of the day, underneath this skin, bro, we bleed the same thing. We got the same vessels. We got all that shit. whether you man or female. Real, bro. Oh, God, bro. And first of all, let me go ahead and tell you something. I would never, ever, ever look what looks good in the inside doesn't mean it look good on the outside to me, baby. Let's go ahead and correct that right now. I would never, ever, ever in my life sleep with you. And second of all, say, let me go ahead and tell you something.

Bitches he be with. Are you kidding me? What you got to say about that?

Too good. You too good of a girl to be That's trash. You too good of a person to be with somebody that's like that, that's gonna belittle you and treat you like shit.

And you think I just started doing it for no fucking reason?

Man, you a real piece of shit.

You a piece of shit. My sister helped got your kids back. My sister helped got your kids back. My sister got a job, she take care of you, she take care of your shit. I can give a fuck about you no more.

She started controlling me, I can't wear makeup no more, I can't wear what I wanna wear no more.

I can't even speak to a man anymore. Is this a CD right here? I don't care if they're 69, 70 years old.

I can't even speak to a man without you pressing on me.

Even at my job.

Okay, Trey, I'm gonna say this. Trey, Trey, what I do appreciate is what you've told and shared that lets me know is that your conduct when she's not around. And I think that's one of the most important things.

Says the one who's been hooking him up with girls in the background in the first place.

She toxic, bro.

Well, listen, Trey, I appreciate your perspective. I appreciate what you shared with me. And I think it's time to unlock the phone.

Unlock, unlock, unlock, unlock.

Heather, we unlocked your phone.

Never had a lock on it.

Okay. Shay wants to know if Heather has been communicating with a specific list of men. Heather says she has not. My Unlock the Phone investigator searched her phone and found that Heather is telling the truth. Shay, you wanna know if Heather has been using any apps to communicate with other men and women. Heather says she is not. My Unlock the Phone investigators searched her apps and found that Heather is not communicating with anyone, but she has had visited 4 different hardcore porn sites in the past couple of weeks. Now this is specific based on, girl, we saw on your phone. It's on yours.

What you been watching?

I've watched porn one time in the last two years. One time.

Well, the sites have been visited. We find all of it.

Okay, that's the ones you wanna look at.

But what was specific about it, I guess, is that the fact that it's male porn.

I don't watch porn on your phone.

Then why is it there?

I don't watch porn on your phone. I watch porn on my own phone when it's needed.

Yeah, male and female. I got it.

I told you I watch porn. You've watched porn before. I saw you.

The reason that my investigator pointed that out is just because of the fact that the sites were there and that it was female and male porn that was watched. And I know that was one of the insecurities.

Is that because— No, I don't watch female and male porn. No, ma'am.

I watch—

That's just what we found. That's just what we found. That's not what I watch. That's what we found. Shay, you wanna know if Heather has any explicit photos on her phone. Heather says she does not. My unlock the phone investigator searched her photos and found that she Is not telling the truth. My investigator found 2 suspicious photos of Heather in her phone of men. Can I see these? Yeah, of course you can. Hold on, it says they're not explicit in nature, so I'm not sure what it is. So let me see what this is.

Hey, smartphones don't lie.

Smartphones don't. Now you know why we unlock phones. They don't lie. All right, here we go. Let me see this.

Who's this?

That's my dad.

Okay, got it. Okay.

That's my dad.

This your dad too?

That's my dad.

Okay. We just gotta ask. Makes sense. Now we understand. All right, so you have this. Shay, now it's time to unlock your phone. All right, here we go. All right, Heather, you wanna know if Shay has sent any explicit photos and videos to other women on her phone. Shay says she has not. My Unlock the Phone investigators searched her phone and found that Shay is not telling the truth. My Investigator found over 17,000 photos. 391 videos and found.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Can we see those? Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, Whoa, whoa.

So 17,000 photos. Not all explicit in nature, but they're enough to flag my investigation. He said the chick.

You can't see the pictures?

You think I'm gonna print up 17,000 photos?

No.

Are they recent?

I'm not gonna print up that much.

Are they recent?

What happened?

Are they recent?

It's all in her phone. Yeah. There was one suspicious video, Shamea, with the caption, "This how I ride ya." What is that about?

Oh, that's just a video of me dancing. That's nothing explicit with no female or nothing. It's me dancing.

Got it. Okay then, cool. Okay, perfect. Heather, you wanna know secondly if Shay has been communicating with specific women. Shay says she is not. My unlock the phone investigator searched Shay's phone and found that she's not telling the truth. He found 3 female names in her contacts that were recently deleted. Heather, you wanna know if Shay has specific apps on her phone to communicate with other women. Shay says she does not. My Unlock the Phone investigator searched Shay's apps and found that she is not telling the truth. My investigator found two different apps, WhatsApp and Telegram. Do you communicate with other people on those?

Yeah, she knows about both of those apps. I don't talk to any females on those apps.

Okay. Now what I've noticed in this moment is, like I said before from the beginning, neither one of you have ever been able to really communicate your wants or desires. You both came from a fragile state and got into another state where it became codependent. And this codependent relationship has turned completely toxic. I can tell you where this is gonna go, and I say this professionally. In another year, your brother is right. If y'all stick in this relationship, it is gonna turn violent. It is going, so there is gonna be someone who's gonna react and that reaction is going to be bad. She, you're still in this place right now where you're dealing with your emotions, especially your emotions and your anxiety after dealing with years of addiction. And she still has to handle that. Are you seeing counseling still? Okay, good. So I'm glad that you have that. So that allows you to be able to monitor your feelings and try to manage them. But y'all not doing a good job. You met in jail, but you're still policing each other right now. And if I could give y'all any advice right now, it's for you. To end this and then you have to take the steps to move on. So I've given y'all what's happening and what you need to do to move forward. And I pray that you take my advice, okay?