I Thought He Was My Soulmate, But Now He's Cheating! | KARAMO

I contacted the show 'cause I am done. I'm done with my fiancé. It's time for him to come home. I'm done with the cheating, I'm done with the gaslighting.

Yeah.

It's time to unlock this phone to see what's really going on over there. What's the whole deal?

Yeah. So take me back 'cause I need context. When did you meet Terrence?

I met Terrence originally, I was 13 years old. Love at first sight.

Oh.

Just, ugh. So yeah, that's my baby, but love at first sight. You know, at 13 you don't got phones all like that. So yeah, you know, we lose contact here and there. But any and every time me and him bumped into each other, rather it be 2 years apart, 1 year apart, we got right back to it, right back and left, like nothing ever happened.

So there's been a history of y'all separating and coming back together?

Yes.

Okay. And that's still to this day?

To this day. Till recently, till we got engaged. It was like, at this point, let's do this because you just keep popping up.

Okay, okay. How was your path different than his?

When I met, Terrence again, when we got back in contact, I think I was prepared. I had did a lot of healing. I was in one of the best places of my life.

Got it.

Just living life. So when he contacted me, I was actually on a trip to Hawaii. My friend at the time, she get a phone call and I heard his voice and I looked over, she looked at me, she said, "Here come trouble." She knew it.

She knew it. She knew it.

She knew it. Listening to him and where I was, thought maybe we can really make this happen this time. And so I went on ahead and fell for him.

Locked it down. Does he have kids?

Terrence has 6 kids.

6 kids. Do you have kids with him?

I have no kids with him.

You have no kids?

No kids.

So since y'all have been talking, this history of him in and out, he's had 6 children during that time?

Yes. I feel like every year we was apart, he had a kid.

Wow. Okay.

And when did you get engaged?

We got engaged, 2 years ago on Christmas Eve.

Okay, so 2022? Okay, how long were things good?

About 6 months.

6 months, and then what happens?

I would say he was a little distant. This man has always been all over me, okay? So I'm noticing a little bit of distance going on, so I decided I'm gonna start going through this phone. I turned into a super hacker.

Yeah.

I mean, super hacker. I was in, Facebook, Instagram, I was on the emails, I was on everything I could. And I started seeing some things that I didn't really like. And immediately I started seeing the gaslighting behavior. So I'm like, wait a minute now, I know what I'm seeing. How you gonna tell me what I'm not seeing?

Got it, got it.

Yeah, it's right here. You see it, I see it.

I'm looking at it and you're interpreting it.

We all looking at it, it's not that. So did you ever catch him? Yes.

You did catch him cheating?

Yes, I did.

One day, or two days.

And let me be clear, and this is within the two years of y'all being engaged?

Oh yes. Okay. The very first time that I knew for a fact, I got bored, I text everybody I could find. Two days later, I get the hit back from the person that I was actually looking for and I got straight to it. Y'all sleeping together?

And what did she say?

Yes. Yes, yes.

Okay. So when was the last time you two were intimate?

Maybe about 4 days ago.

4 days ago?

Yeah.

Okay then. And do you still want to be with him?

Yes, I will be honest. I do. I've always been in love with Terrence, and every time I see Terrence, I fall back in love with him. And I'm starting to feel emotionally extorted, like he knows that I love him, and that no matter what it seems like he does, me always trying to fix something finds a way to make it all right, if you come home.

You know, I take notes on this.

I see, I know.

That's what I do, okay. Well, I wanna hear what Terrence has to say about this, because we gotta hear his side too. So everyone, please welcome Terrence to the show.

I don't wanna be with you.

Okay, so here we go with the I don't wanna be with you.

We're not together.

We're not together.

You blow my phone up, you do all type of stuff at time of the night.

This is what I mean, this is what I mean right here.

You always call me at night, you text me all weird stuff I'm at home.

I sure do, I sure do. You come by my house.

I sure do.

Who does that?

What do you mean your fiancée?

You're not my fiancée.

How?

You was in a whole relationship when I got with you.

No, I was not. You was, you was in a whole relationship. No, I was not, no, I was not. This is what I get anytime we start getting to the nitty of it, but you still put a ring on my finger. Because you wanted it.

Let me clarify, Karen. This wedding that I want, so I was not. You're saying that you're not engaged, but you also just said I gave you a ring because you wanted it. So which one is true? Because both can't be true at the same time.

Which one is true?

I liked it.

Well, I gave you a ring.

You said you liked it.

So you gave her a ring because you were proposing to her. Yes. But now you feel, so that part is true. Okay, so we, no, that means we would've all engaged. 'Cause did you ever take it back?

'Cause we had a whole engagement party, so what did we do?

Did you ever take the ring back?

Yes.

You took the ring back. Did he take the ring back?

Yes, he took the ring. No, this is what he does. He takes the ring back, give it back, take the ring back, give it back. So I told him the last time you took that ring off my finger, that was gonna be that.

You was in a whole relationship when I got with you.

You keep on bringing it, but you stayed.

You kicked the dude out and put me in.

No, I did not.

I was working on myself still.

I didn't. You've been chasing me for 20 years and you working on yourself. Let's really just get honest.

I chased you for 20 years?

Yes.

I had kids in between that.

Exactly, okay.

When I ran back into you, you was a friend. I looked at it as—

A friend?

I went into it as a good heart. I was coming out of something.

Do you see what I'm talking about? This the gaslighting. This the gaslighting right here. Give it to him, go ahead. This the gaslighting.

I was coming out of something, right?

Okay, okay.

Finding a friend.

And I told you that. We didn't have to do any of that.

You kicked the whole thing out to me to be a good friend.

We didn't have to do any of that.

Where does that work at?

Did you cheat on her?

Yeah, you can say that. I cheated on her, but it wasn't even a cheat. It was an agreement.

Oh, here we go. It was an agreement. You swear up and down. Who done ever agreed to let their fiancé go cheat with somebody.

Stop it. Stop it.

You did what you wanted to do because you wanted to do it. That was it. That was it. That was it. I sure did. I went through phones, ring cameras. I'm in the living room.

I'm in the living room.

Calling everybody on my phone.

Sure did.

Stalking my house. I got kids at home. You coming all by my house doing childish stuff, kid stuff.

And reason why? Because it's after you come mess with me.

My kids' mother don't even do that.

I don't care nothing about that. What I'm saying is you come mess with me and then when I just— You disappear, then I get blocked. And then now all of a sudden you don't wanna be with me. Okay, but then 2 days later you call me crying. You call me crying, I miss you.

I ain't never called you crying.

You're a stalker. You always cry. You are a stalker.

You always cry.

You are a stalker. You always cry.

So Terrence, 'cause I really wanna understand your point of view. So clearly tell me, what is the status of your relationship?

We're not together.

We're not together because I—

I ain't been with her for a while.

For what's a while? What does that mean?

Probably a couple months.

So a couple months you haven't been together.

Yeah, I ain't been with her in a couple months.

But except 4 days ago.

'Cause she said 4 days ago you were intimate. Is that true?

We're always intimate.

Who was out with you 4 days ago?

'Cause we always intimate.

You was at my house at 4 in the morning.

It sure does. Whatever.

Is she pushing you to get back together?

Yes, she's pushing me. You feel like she's pushing you? Yeah, telling me what my mind is on. Texting me, telling me I'm on this. How do you know what I'm on?

So you're currently right now sleeping with other people?

I do what I want to, Karamo.

Got it, okay. Okay, you do what you want to, Karamo.

I talk to her every now and then. She got her own phone number.

Why, if you think that, no, you think that. You do this so that you don't feel bad.

I don't wanna be with you.

You don't feel bad about what you do. Hey, you ain't gotta, hey baby, you ain't gotta be with this.

That's okay.

I ain't worried about it. You ain't gotta be with this, baby. You know that. You know that. You know that though. But you know that though.

You know you don't have to be with this.

I'm gonna ask you a direct question and I really want an honest opinion. Do you think you're leading her on?

No. I tell her I don't wanna be with her. I tell her I don't wanna be with her.

You tell me you don't wanna be with me but then show up the same night.

You convinced me to come over and say anything.

I convinced you, so I guess I just asked. So what is it that I convinced you with then? What is it that I convinced you with then?

You're just not worth my trouble no more.

I'm glad that you could be honest now about something.

So what do you want to happen today?

Just to her leave me alone. I don't wanna be with her. We go our separate ways.

All right, well let's do that.

Let's do that then, if that's how you feel.

Well, you came here to unlock phones, so I think it's time to unlock the phones.

I don't care about what's in her phone, I ain't with her.

Terrence, we unlocked your phone.

Mm-hmm.

All right, Stephanie, you want to know if Terrence has been receiving any provocative photos. Terrence says he has not.

Plenty of. Are you kidding?

So many.

My locked phone investigator searched his photos and found Terrence has 2 provocative photos in the last month, but they're both from you, Stephanie.

Oh, okay.

Mm-hmm. All right. Wow.

Stephanie, you want to know if Terrence has been texting a woman that you you believe that he's in a relationship with. Terrence, you say you're not. My unlockable investigator searched his texts and found that Terrence, you're not telling the truth. Terrence has been texting a woman, his best friend. It's a lie and their messages indicate they have been intimate as recently as last week.

Best friend, huh?

Best friend, huh?

I'm not with her, so it don't matter.

Oh, it don't matter. Okay, I sure can't wait till they unlock mine.

Well, should that do it?

Hey, that's it.

This is just this past Sunday.

But you was just at my house.

I was not at your house. Go ahead.

Are you kidding me?

This is this past Sunday.

You two was just at my house.

Go ahead.

Boy, you sure? Okay. Okay.

All right.

It's not even together.

Go ahead. Go ahead. I'm tired of this we not together.

Stephanie, you want to know if Terrence has been having a conversation with anyone about their relationship. Terrence says he has not. My locked the phone investigator searched his phone and found that Terrence is Telling the truth. But he found that Stephanie, that you have sent 364 messages in the past month. And that Terrence texted back 110 times out of those 364 messages. There was a text 2 weeks ago stating that you had sex and she stayed over the house, right? I meant to wake up and got back around. Thank you for an amazing night. Hopefully we can do it again. Nice date soon. And you said, for sure. Okay, so when I ask you if you're leading her on, what did that sound like?

I'm leading her on.

Okay, just checking. Okay, just wanna make sure. Thank you for at least being honest with that one right there. Okay. All right, well, Stephanie.

Yes?

We unlocked your phone.

All right.

Well, Terrence, you said you didn't wanna unlock Stephanie's phone.

'Cause for what? 'Cause we ain't together, right? I don't care about Stephanie. We not together, right? I don't care about Stephanie. Exactly, so you shouldn't, you ain't got no business. You're not concerned, exactly, you don't care, so don't worry about it. Mr. Leg Vibrator. Mr. Leg Vibrator, don't worry about it, you don't need to. It's none of your business. It's none of your business.

I mean, so we don't unlock the phone, this is all zeros here. This is all zeros. This is all zeros because you don't want him to know what's in the phone, so there's no recent updates.

Yeah, yeah, 'cause he don't want.

Okay, but so let me just give you the real, okay? 'Cause we talked about gaslighting. You said that a couple of times.

I feel like all he does is gaslight me. He riles up and then what happens is—

No, hold on, lemme tell you.

What happens is he makes me feel like I'm messed up because I'm not waiting on you.

So you're gonna, so I got some information for you and this might come as a shock. He is not gaslighting you. You are gaslighting yourself.

Thank you.

Out of your own mouth, you said, "When I got back with him," this is after Hawaii, "I'm willing to come back and fix this always as long as he comes home." That was your barometer of what you need to feel wanted. And we have to call a spade a spade here. This man has come out here and been very clear about what he wants and who he is. He's also aware, and you know it, you know that she's in a fragile state and you know that she will always take you back. And so when you feel like you need some security, you know this is a safe place for you. And that's the truth. You know it. But that is not only leading her on, but you're using her. And you're using her not for the things like money or whatever, somebody else, you're using her for emotional support. Security that when you feel like, oh, things are chaotic, I always got good old Stephanie to go to. But that is your problem for keeping open that door. So when you say things about gaslighting, all this, you said outta your own mouth, maybe this is a fairytale in my head. This is. And that fairytale was created by that young girl who didn't get the relationship she wanted with her parents, specifically her mother. These are your own mouth. And wanted her to come home and for me to feel seen and wanted. And when you didn't get that, you've now transformed that into an unhealthy relationship with this man. And I'm telling you this because these are your own words that I'm able to use to show you that you gotta heal from that. You said you was on a healing journey and everything was great. I'm sure you did do a lot of healing, but the part you didn't heal from is this. Which is why the minute you was in Hawaii sitting on that beach, you allowed him to come right back into your life because your own words, "I'm willing to fix it, I'm willing to forget as long as you'll come home." He's telling you who he is. Your children are watching this behavior, just let you know. Yeah, my kids show me better.

That's, I learned from them.

And I'm telling you, this is what I'd say to people all the time. And listen, one of the people I respect so much in this world is Maury Povich. And this man used to sit on this stage, and one of the things he said is the saddest times he ever saw is when some guests from years before would have kids who would then show back up on this stage. And let me tell you something, I'm gonna be here many years, and I don't want your kids to be on this stage.

I got 6 of 'em.

But if you don't work this out now and make your life healthy, they're gonna be right here asking for my advice. So what I say to you is work on that. Work on that for yourself and for them. But for you, change the lock. Start healing this, start healing this. It ain't got nothing to do with him. And the next time you get into a conversation saying him, him, him, please point that finger back at you 'cause that's the only way you're gonna wake up. I wish you the best of luck. Thank you. I really do, I really do. But you not engaged and this ain't your man.

No.

God know what I need.

That's the fight. This vibrator's me in.

Yeah. Yeah, he's not, he's not. But you can be your own woman.

And I am.