I Was Chasing Love... He Was Chasing Other Women! | KARAMO

You chased your man down the street?

Oh my God.

Tell me what happened.

I did chase him down the street, but before I get into that, let me tell you how much he's a liar.

Okay.

He lies so much, you know, but this particular day, I'm at the park and I'm like, I need your help. So when he came, he parks down the street. So when he parks down the street, I'm like, why would you park down the street? You have a female in the car. So he laughing like it's funny. So all of a sudden, I'm riding, I see him. So when I see him, I look like, oh, I know he ain't got no females in his car. I know he don't.

So at this point, I'm telling him to pull over. He don't wanna pull over, so the best thing I did was like—

Chase him down.

And I chased him down over islands, everything. Like, you gonna stop this car today, 'cause I need answers.

Did he stop it?

No, he took me, he had me chase him all the way to the police station. Yeah, yeah.

And so how many women were in the car? Just one?

It was two.

Two women in the car?

It was two of 'em.

They was all out the window twerking and doing all this like.

Okay, so why, okay, what did you find in his phone recently?

Whew, he the type that will try to do some stuff to make me mad so he can leave. I go through his phone and yeah, it's text messages. Now I was trying to like, I'm gonna give him a break. You know what I'm saying? I ain't gonna be so much on him 'cause I'm trying to get to that trusting stage back. But then I'm like, no, it's something up. My intuition, like you have a woman intuition.

So I went through there and sure enough, he texting another woman.

Hold on, my producer tell me I have one of those messages right here.

Oh yeah, pull that shit up.

This is what you said to me?

Okay, hold on.

See what I'm saying?

It said you working, what time you get off, and why? "I wanna chill with you, I miss you." Okay.

Oh wow.

So this what type of stuff that I'm talking about. So how am I supposed to trust you or even wanna be with you still and you doing this shit?

You know what I'm saying?

And then it's the audio call for me right here.

It's the audio call for me and like, why?

And this supposed to be the address.

That part, that part, that part.

Yeah, okay.

That part. Yeah, I see. Okay, thank you for sending me that. Okay. Yeah, so you asked my unlock the phone investigator to unlock his phone. Do you think we're going to find more evidence of cheating?

Oh, I know you are.

Got it. How long y'all been together?

For 2 years.

2 years?

Yes, we've been—

And when did this all start?

Maybe 6 months into the relationship it started.

6 months in?

Yeah, like you see this, like we always having fun together.

Then what was your last relationship before this?

Oh, it was like maybe like 3 years. He basically was cheating too. It was more so of abusive.

Okay, got it.

So I had to get out of that. So with me going and being with Kenny, he secured me. Like, I know he not a bad person, but the cheating and the lies, they have to stop. Like, it's just like he makes me happy. He makes my kids happy. The only thing now, with that situation is, like, my kids and him, my son, get into it a lot.

Got it, so now this affect the family.

So, yes, so—

Does he use your kids as an excuse to leave?

Yeah, so this what happens. So he'll get into it with me, which, you know, my son is older, so you know my son going to say something. So I always try to tell him, like, let's not do it in front of the kids. But I think he do it anyway to make an excuse so he can go out and be with bitches.

Got it. All right, well, I think it's time to meet Kenny and hear his side of the story. So Karamo, please welcome Kenny to the show.

I most definitely wanna see what he wanna say because all he do is lie, lie, lie.

All he do is lie. Lie, see, he about to lie right now.

I don't know what's going on, cousin. I wish you'd tell me on the show. You lie, you lie, whatever. I love this woman.

Whatever. She's always saying that, but you won't show it, you won't show it, dog.

I wanna see, I wanna see.

You won't show it, you won't show it.

Let me ask you directly, did you have another woman in the car when she chased you down the street?

'Cause I had one woman in the car with me. And that was just my friend. That was only just my friend.

Was that friend outside the window twerking?

Yeah, she did a little dance. Because she got drunk.

So what?

But why would you tell her to be like that in your car and you got a whole woman?

I told you.

Like that shit.

But why would I stop? Let me ask you this. If you said it's your friend, 'cause I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt, why doesn't she stop the car?

Because she was drinking and I know how she get wild when she get drunk.

I know, that's still not it.

And then I know how Ebony is. I know Ebony, she get real angry and upset.

No, but why do I get angry and upset though?

Because you, I don't know.

No, no, you don't know.

I just try to be good.

How you not know? No, you don't try to be good.

I try to be good.

You don't try.

You don't try enough.

I try to keep the kids at home 'cause I didn't want them to fight.

You don't try enough. Because if anything, how you gonna propose to me and say you wanna be with me When you got females and you talk about something you trying, you ain't trying. You not trying. You not trying.

You not trying.

Okay, so let me go this, because I'm trying to get your side of the story. So let's talk about the text that Ebony found in your phone that I just saw.

Right, yeah.

Where you said, you know the text?

She found a text in my phone?

Uh-huh, I sure did.

See what I'm saying? Going through my phone.

Why you going through my phone?

You don't supposed to be doing that.

Hold on, well let's not deflect and worry about the fact that she went through your phone, because now we found something in your phone. So you can't deflect and say, "You went through my phone?" Yeah, she went through your phone, but we found something and it says, can y'all pull this back up here? You remember this message?

Yeah, most definitely got the address and everything.

But hold on, I'm gonna turn that off because what's gonna happen is that I know you watched that backstage, so I know you know what message I'm talking about.

Uh-huh, he did.

I saw it.

So who is that bitch?

Who is she?

I don't really, I don't know.

Who is she? And it's probably so many others.

Who is she?

It's probably somebody I used to work with or something like that.

It's always somebody who you used to work with or something like that.

Karamo, how many times have you cheated on Ebony?

I recall only 2 times.

You a liar.

You a fucking liar. And you lying to this man.

It's twice.

No, you ain't.

And we talked about it already.

Twice.

I don't understand why we on here doing this.

2 times. I done caught you already twice, so if that's the case, I know it's more than twice. Like, I cannot believe you.

I'm trying to gain your trust back, but how can I gain your trust back when you constantly keep lying to me? Like, I love you and I wanna be with you.

My producers told me that it was 5 or 6 times that you cheated.

Uh-huh.

5? 5 or 6.

No, no, no.

The hell?

Okay, I apologize if I did do that. I apologize if I did do that. Like, I just want you to forgive me. And just knowing that we was gonna be able to—

Okay, how many times you said that to me though?

It's about time for you to show me. I don't wanna hear nothing else.

Okay. Why did you ask my unlock the phone investigator to unlock her phone?

Because I thought that she was talking to some guy, you know, and I mean, I really was just hoping that he don't even barely know me.

But if I was, why you mad? 'Cause all the shit that you do. I'm just saying, you pushed me today.

So what do you think we'll find in her phone?

Now you mad.

Just some guy that she's talking to?

Yeah, just some guy. I don't care who you really find in there. I mean, long as he don't look better than me, you know what I'm saying? You can find out.

So you don't mind if she's talking to another man?

See, you see that, Avery? You see that? You know what I'm saying?

I'm mad, 'cause I'm mad.

But be wondering why, like, now I'm talking to somebody or you saying I'm talking to somebody.

Let's go and see what's in the phone.

I got full confidence in myself.

Okay.

As you should, like I do.

Kenny, we unlocked your phone first. Ooh.

So.

Okay, okay.

Before.

No, no, no, no, no.

I'm the phone locker.

I'm the phone locker. Nobody want to hear that.

What you gotta say?

What you gotta say before you unlock? I just want to say, like, I want her to forgive me and. Cause I really want this to work out between us.

You know what I'm saying?

I love her.

So what is your.

I wanna marry this woman. I do.

I wanna marry this woman.

Not doing all that. You don't wanna marry me doing all that.

Okay.

And please could you save me on it? Cause remember to do.

Okay.

Cause she crazy.

Ebony wants to know. Listen, you wanna know if Kenny is Facebook? Kenny says he is not. My locked phone investigator searched his apps and found that Kenny is telling the truth. He's not Facebook Dating.

I'm good. You see that?

Okay. Yeah, I told you, I told you, I told you.

'Cause he probably erased that.

Ebony, you wanna know if Kenny is messaging other women on social media. Kenny says he is not. My locked phone investigator searched his DMs and found that Kenny is telling the truth.

Yes!

Yeah!

Ebony, you wanna know if Kenny is texting other women? Kenny says he is not. My locked phone investigator searched his texts and found that Kenny is not telling the truth.

I know.

I already know that. Oh, now. Oh, now.

My locked phone investigator was able to recover 562 deleted text messages between Kenny and other women.

Oh, see, I told you you a liar, bro.

All you doing is lying.

You wonder why I got on TV over here.

That's what I'm saying, I didn't delete none of that.

Hold on.

Yes, you did.

It is all deleted.

It's all good though. It's all good.

Oh yeah, but I'm gonna say, look, look, look, look. See, I apologize for that though.

That's August 20th.

You see that?

I apologize for that though.

That is wild.

So Kenny, you thought you were clear because you deleted them.

That is wild.

We just made you think you were clear. So you said, my apologies, I've been trying to shake this crazy lady I have. You called her crazy.

You see that? You see what I'm saying?

I wish I could spend time with you. That's the one, that's on August 20th.

You see that? What type of message is that? But you care for me and you wanna be with me.

I'm spending time with you, you're beautiful.

And wanna be with me, but you—

That's not the truth.

That was just a friend. That's not true. That's a friend.

Man, whatever. That's whatever. So the text is a lie though?

So the text is a lie. Okay.

Okay, this one, you're beautiful. I've been trying to catch up with you for a little while.

Is that a picture? And you sending pictures to exes? I ain't send no pictures. Oh, wow.

See what I'm saying? See that?

Oh, wow.

Okay. No, no, I was at work that time. Oh, no, no.

What?

Yes.

Send me a picture of your—

Like, you sound stupid as hell right now. Like, you want me to just be so stupid, right?

No, you got me messed up. It's all fucked up.

I love you, I'm sorry.

You talking about you love me and want to marry me. You don't even know what love is at this point.

OK. This is one of the mods. It says, hey, beautiful, how are you? I met you at the gas station one morning. "You were so beautiful, my name is Kenny. You was so chocolate and sexy, so you just—" But he wanna marry me.

How you wanna marry me and you telling females that?

"Hey, my bad. Did you get the address? Yes, I did. Okay, you blank, you down the street. I'm about to drop my location." Oh, wow.

Okay, okay. Wow.

Okay, okay, maybe I did. Maybe I did do that. But look, I apologize. I apologize for that.

But the reason why I do that because—

Okay, if your son want so bad, I wouldn't have to leave the house. What they gotta do?

They don't got shit to do with it. They don't have nothing.

I wouldn't have to leave the house.

That's an excuse. They don't have nothing to do with it. Because if you love somebody, you gonna deal with it and we gonna work it out, not leave. That's all you know how to do is just leave.

All right, well Ebony, we unlocked your phone, so let's get to this. All right. Kenny wants to know if Ebony is on Facebook Dating. Ebony says she is not. My Unlock the Phone investigators searched her apps and found that Ebony is not telling the truth. Ebony is currently active on Facebook dating.

And I have, and I have 'cause of you. That's what I'm talking about.

I sure have. Kenny, you want to know. But you want me to show you. Kenny, you want to know Ebony is messaging other men on social media. Ebony says she is not. My Lock the Phone investigator searched her DMs and found that Ebony is not telling the truth. My Lock the Phone has 108 messages with other men on Facebook. Some from last year and some messages as recent as yesterday. Mm-hmm.

Yesterday while we were, really? So this is what we doing? That's what I'm saying right there?

Yeah, yeah. Okay. 'Cause of you.

It's your fault. I said it's all good, don't worry about it. No, you pushed me to this.

I just did it because of what you was doing.

If you wanna be honest. Here we go. Kenny, you wanna know if Ebony is talking to someone new. Ebony says she is not. My locked-up phone investigator searched her texts and found that Ebony is not telling the truth. We found a text between her and a man with the contact name Guy from Jail. Yeah. Wow. My unlocked-up phone investigator also wanted me to see I wanna see something in jail.

Yeah, what can I do with him? He gonna lie too.

Yeah, I know, 'cause he a liar.

Hold on, there's something that my investigator want me to see. It's from a text message that you got on Monday from, thank you, Ralph. So you talking to the guy in jail. Yeah. But can't nothing go on there 'cause he in jail.

Right, that part I can't.

What can I do with him? Send him money?

I ain't sending him nothing. I barely even wanna give him money.

Okay, so on Monday, you talking to somebody, you said, how long you and Kenny been together? Who is this? "You were texting another woman." Oh, you're texting a woman that Kenny's been dealing with. Yes. And this woman says, "Why you calling me? I'm 51. I don't have time for this." Yes.

That part, 51, still acting like a kid.

And so she admitted that yes, y'all are sleeping together.

Age ain't nothing but a number.

Age ain't nothing but a number. Oh, see, that's what I'm saying.

And wondering why I'm talking to other people. You still talking.

But I'm saying, I did stop talking to other people. No, you haven't. I've been talking to my lady a long time ago. No, you haven't.

Yes, I have. No, you haven't.

Yes, I have. No, you haven't. I changed.

You whatever. You fuck all the females. That's all you know how to do.

That's what you good for. But you lied about talking to that person in jail though.

Yep, in jail because of you though.

I can't believe that.

You pushed me to jail.

Hold on, here we go. First of all, let's do this. Let's do this. First of all, Kenny, let's be honest. This is fake outrage because before you found anything in her phone, I asked you if you'd be mad and you said, nah, I'd work it out. And the reason you wouldn't be mad is because of the fact that you know that you've been doing something.

Doing things.

And then secondly, it's also manipulation tactic. So these are the ways that you try to stay innocent and keep someone gaslit so you stay in a relationship. Relationship. But now back to you, Ebony. Yeah. Because you finding pride in saying, well, you drove me to this is not the flex you think it is.

Hold on, no, stay with me. It's not the flex you think it is because you told me that you were in a relationship where it was cheating and emotional abuse. Mm-hmm. And then you tell me that you've gotten to this and you're seeing this. So which tells me in between that ex and this, you have not healed. I haven't. I'm gonna ask you this.

If you, one of your 5 sons, the kids he says is bad, which first of all, anybody a man talking about your kids like that shouldn't be in the picture no way. But secondly, and I'm not saying that children can't use more discipline, but it's not your place to be telling the mother that they're bad. That's a whole nother story.

So I'm gonna ask you this right here.

If one of your 5 sons was chasing somebody in a car, what would you say? If one of your 5 sons was kicking down doors and houses, what would you say? If one of your sons was climbing through windows, what would you say? I'd be mad at him.

You said to me, he makes me feel secure.

So what I want you to know is that you need to redefine your definition of security.

Ebony, there's some healing that needs to go on here. No, stay with me. There's some healing. It is. You have gone from one bad relationship to another bad relationship, and I don't think you've taken the time to really look at yourself.

Kenny, I'm done with you. You can leave back and go backstage. Thank you so much, Kenny. We know he's playing games. He's been playing games with shit since day one.

We need to get down to the nitty-gritty of this because you're a mother. Mm-hmm. You are a woman that has been in these situations. You are 40 years old now. It is time for us to start working on this self-esteem. What's going on, sis? Here, take this out. Come on. What is causing you not to feel like you can grieve and grow? Yes, there was some bad choices that was made, sis, I get it. You allowed a man into your life that didn't value you, didn't give you what you deserve. But why are you feeling like you need to repeat that pattern?

Let's talk about that. [Speaker] I don't know. It's just sometimes maybe I feel like I need somebody, which I know I don't. But I don't know. I don't really know what's going on with me right now.

Let's take some moments to get to the bottom of it because you deserve to start that healing process. And if you've taken the time to come on my show and be vulnerable enough to show us and tell us about what you're doing, let's take this moment. When did this start? When was the last time you felt like this with you? When did this start? What was the first memory you had where you said, you know what, I have to accept bad behavior?

My first, my first, my, well, my husband, my ex-husband. It had to have started before the ex-husband. It was to the point where I felt like he was all I had. I used to reach out to my family and stuff. It was like they pushed me away and I felt like I needed him. I felt like he was the only one.

Well, thanks. Okay, so there we go. That's why I just said, I said it before you even said it. I knew it started before him. So my question for you, when you said he makes me feel secure, I said you need to redefine what security means to you. And now we just got the source of it. So you were a young woman that didn't feel secure in your family. People didn't help you, they didn't reach out for you. So you look for that security in men who saw that you didn't have security from other people and they knew they could take advantage of it. Yes. So now we need to go back to that little girl and heal her. We gotta go back to that little girl and heal her. When that little girl was with her family and she needs security, what does she wanna say?

Like, I just needed my family just to be there, like when I needed them. Like when I was going through stuff and I wanted them to just not even, like most of the time they felt like I was only coming around because I wanted money or I needed they help with something because of the relationship I was in. But it wasn't that, I just needed them to be around me. I was used to that when I was growing up. I had my family, like we was real close. But once everybody got older, everybody just went their separate ways. And I used to always be the one reaching out, reaching out, but no one really reached out to me and was there for me. I'm always the one reaching out. I got it.

I hear you. I hear you. And I'm sorry, 'cause as a young woman, you did not deserve to feel, first of all, abandoned by your family. Family and then to feel like no one could be there for me. And even if you did need money, because sometimes we get these things in our mind, like if I'm reaching out for money, then, you know, they get the right to do. No, money is part of security as well. Communication is part of security. It's all part of security and you deserved it and you didn't get it. But this is what you're forgetting in that equation is that you were there for yourself. You didn't need that man. Man to give you security. You don't need this man to give you security because you have always been there for yourself. Yes. And I think when you do— when you forget that, you're diminishing the power and the love that you have for yourself. So if I can encourage you for one thing, is that when you leave this stage, I want you to go backstage and I want you to remind yourself of all the times that nobody else was there for you. And I want you next to that, remind yourself how you were there for yourself. Yes. Because when you start to remind yourself how you were there for yourself is the first step of realizing you never have to worry about security because you've always been secure because you've had you. Mm-hmm. I need you to say this. Ebony, say Ebony. Ebony.

I've always had me. I always had me. Say it again. Ebony, I always had me. Always had me.

And so you don't need somebody who's gonna tear you down, girl. You've always had you. See, until you start believing that and understanding that, you're gonna keep running into men like this that's gonna allow them, that's gonna keep to do that. You don't need to degrade yourself by saying, "Let me come down here and let me." No. We gotta start the process, start growing, all right? Yes. I'm gonna give you my email address, and as you on this path right now, you gonna be like, "Cousin Karamo, I'm calling you." I'm gonna email you. Yes. Because I feel like you need somebody who can remind you that this is not what you deserve. Yes. You don't deserve this. You don't deserve this. And I don't want those 5 boys to think this is the model of how when they leave your house, they gonna treat women. Yes. Okay? Yes. You understand? Yes, I understand. Listen, I do love you and I'm so sorry that you had to deal with this.

Thank you. I appreciate you, sir.

We gonna start growing, all right? Everybody at home, Stay with us. We'll be right back with more. Come here, baby.