In this episode of Karamo, the host mediates a volatile discussion between Tiffany, her boyfriend Kwaison (also referred to as Quaysan/Quarsan), and Tiffany’s cousin Ebony. Tiffany reveals that she entered a relationship with Kwaison when he was a minor (16‑17) and she was about seven years older, creating a significant age gap. Within the first 30 days of the relationship, Tiffany discovered Kwaison’s infidelity, yet she stayed for three and a half years, during which they attempted to have a child. Kwaison already had a son, and after a brief pregnancy Tiffany had an abortion, which deepened mistrust. Tiffany’s primary grievance is Kwaison’s continual “pretending” – lying about his behavior, texting other women, and refusing to delete certain apps. She recounts a recent incident where she examined Kwaison’s phone before Thanksgiving, finding suspicious messages, but received no apology. Kwaison defends himself, claiming honesty when asked, yet admits to texting other women and acknowledges “sneaky” dynamics on both sides. Ebony, Tiffany’s cousin, interjects, labeling the relationship toxic and attributing it to unresolved “mommy” and “abandonment” issues. The conversation turns to a proposed phone‑unlock investigation, which both parties refuse, highlighting privacy battles. Karamo repeatedly challenges both participants, pointing out self‑deception, the unhealthy nature of the partnership, and the need for boundaries. He advises Tiffany to recognize she is not broken, to end the romantic relationship, consider co‑parenting if appropriate, and seek healthier stability elsewhere.
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So tell me how you and Quaysan got together.
Okay. Me and Quaysan got together. Okay, we first started off, he was a minor. All right? So I was like, oh, okay.
When you say minor, girl, that's a really tricky thing to just throw around casually. What are you talking about? Like he was—
He was like 16, 17.
17, okay.
So I was like, okay, when you turn 18, I'm gonna double back.
Okay.
So that's what I did.
So what is the age difference between you two? Like to—
7 years.
7 years. Okay, well, girl, okay. Still a little tricky, girl. But anyway, so how soon into the relationship did you catch him cheating on you?
How long did it take him to cheat on you? Less than 30 days, probably. Sure did.
Well, girl, what'd you expect? You went after somebody who was too young and inexperienced.
Oh, I know, Karamo.
And how long y'all been together now?
3 and a half years.
3 and a half years. Okay then, 3 and a half years y'all been together. Did you try to have a baby with him?
Yes, I did.
And what happened?
At the beginning, it was he didn't want any more kids. So I was like, okay, well, we need to end it because that's not what—
Any more kids?
Yeah, he has a son already.
Oh, he already has a son already, okay.
So I was like, okay, I understand or whatever. So I'm like, we don't need to keep on going with the relationship if you don't want any more kids and I do. Right after that, made a baby. Sure did, made a baby.
You two together?
Yes.
Okay.
His mood switched. It switched bad. I got an abortion.
Got it.
Because I was not with it. Like, you're not gonna switch up on me or, pretend, like that's what I felt like it was.
And what do you mean by pretender?
Like sit in my face every day, lay with me every night, wake up to me every morning.
Yes.
And you're cheating on me.
Okay.
Every day.
So 30 days in, he started cheating on you, but y'all been together for 3 years, so why haven't you left?
'Cause I really care about him.
What happened when you told him you wanted him to change his ways?
He basically told me he'll do it.
But then did not.
Yeah. Delete the apps. Yeah, stop doing this, stop doing that. But no.
But he's 24. Why you want him to delete apps? That's what these kids do.
Well, it's certain apps. It's certain apps, not every app. Like, I'm okay with you being on social media. That's not an issue.
Got it.
You get what I'm saying? It's an issue when you're entertaining hoes. That's a problem. You cannot be my man. My whole thing is, yes, you are younger than me, but I gave you that platform to be real with me. I gave you that platform to open up with me. If you're too young to commit, say that. Got it. I can't force you to be in no relationship with me.
So what happened right before Thanksgiving?
Something told me to go through the phone. I took the phone, Karamo. Took the phone, sure did. Now mind you, I haven't went through this man's phone since the beginning of our relationship, 30 days in. Till this year, right before Thanksgiving. So I went through the phone, seen the messages. I'm like, I ain't even really fully read any of the messages, Karamo. Like I literally didn't. I just seen that they were there and they're not supposed to be there because you know we supposed to be fixing our relationship.
Relationship.
Does it bother you that he didn't fight to stay in the relationship?
Yes, it bothered me because I didn't get an apology. I didn't get like, oh damn, I fucked up. He didn't do any of that and that kind of like triggered something. Then the next morning, woke up getting ready for work. What did it trigger? It just triggered like you keep on playing with me like I'm a sucker. Like I'm far from ugly and I'm far from a bum and you're not gonna keep on playing on my intelligence like I'm a weak female. I'm not weak. We're bigger and better than that. There's no reason for you to, be treating me like that. If you got a fucking issue, just say that. I'm okay with you having a problem 'cause now you're giving me the choice.
So why do you, amen, that's what I always tell people, give people a choice. And I'm sorry that this relationship is affecting yourself as well. I would never want that for you. Why do you still wanna be with him?
'Cause he's a great man, but something is blocking you for whatever, I don't know what it is.
It's himself.
And that's what it is, selfish.
So you told our Unlock the Phone investigator that you want to know if He was badmouthing you to other people. If he expresses appreciation for the relationship. And those are two things you wanna know?
Yes.
Okay. Well, time to hear from Kwaison and see what he has to say about all this. So everyone please welcome Kwaison to the show.
It's not funny. It's not funny at all.
It's not, it's not funny.
Hey Kwaison, how you doing, man?
I'm all right.
Good, good, good.
You look nice.
How do you feel about what was just said?
Like that whole little before Thanksgiving, she ain't tell you how somebody text her phone and I seen it one morning, you heard? They text her good morning. Why does man feel comfortable to text you 5 in the morning telling you good morning?
Okay, so he text me good morning. You're waking up every morning.
You responded 'cause I asked you.
Okay, I responded, but again, I'm not the one that's sending the messages. You're waking up every morning saying good morning to bitches. That's the issue, Cre'Son. People say good morning to people all the time. All the time.
When I ask you, you give her a conversation?
I do, and I said no pleasure in it.
Okay, then why should I have to ask?
Because we're in a relationship. Just like I feel some type of way, you should have said something.
She would ask me if I cheat on her such and such, I would say yeah.
Yeah, you would tell me the truth.
I would always, thank you, I would always tell her the truth. I would never just sit there and just lie to her.
Right, you don't.
I always sat there and told her the truth when she asked me.
Right.
'Cause I feel like Females ask questions they already know the answer to. They just waiting to see if you gonna lie or not. So if you asking me, I'm taking like you already know.
All right, so still.
So I'm going to tell you the truth.
But still, why is other men in my phone anyway? Didn't we go through a breakup a little while ago? Why? Why? Wasn't I single?
All right, she's not the cheater.
I'm not the cheater?
She had these moments where she wanna go on breaks. I feel like it'd be premeditated things.
Oh, you damn right. You damn right. I'm meditating. You damn right.
You admitting it.
I've been admitting it.
That she had these moments, she premeditated it.
So you do premeditate what you're gonna say so that you can talk to other people?
Because let me tell you, Karamo, he'll do some shit to me, right? And it'll be that one time you do some shit, I'm like, you know what, today is the day I'm going out and doing some shit. You damn right. You damn right.
All right, and I guess that's her way of not feeling guilty.
So what do you believe is the biggest issue with you and Tiffany?
She's more sneaky than I am. Yeah.
You think I'm sneaky?
Come on.
I'm sneaky.
You got, you, come on, girl.
I'm sneaky?
Yeah.
I'm sneaky, but I'm the one, right, that put both of my feet into the situation. It took me a nice minute for me to just go through the phone. I don't have to be with you.
She just left it in the house by mistake when she went to work. I just found it.
Yeah.
And went through it.
You got it.
I felt like she even planted that too, 'cause she wanted me to see.
No, see, that's, see, no, I think—
Have you always been honest about your cheating with her?
If she asks you.
Yes. If she asks you. So why do you believe Tiffany is cheating on you now? Just because of the men that you've seen that say good morning? Well, she also just said that when she wants to break up, she goes and tells her husband.
It be times, mind you, we got back together in what, about late August, end of August? Like she be places, like I'm like, yo, we never been to these places this whole time we've been together. Now all of a sudden we, you just like, you just, I got your location, you just going here, you're going there. We never been there, bro. You don't know nobody that's really over there for real.
But you could ask me though. That's the whole reason of you having my location. Why would I go down? I'm over you. I'm sharp up. I'm sharp up. I know not to give my location to you.
What happened New Year's Eve?
Oh, I was cleaning up. Cleaned the whole house up. Sis decided to come in the house. She coming out, she hop in the shower. She get herself nice and dressed up. Address and just ask, were you going to your mother's house? So I'm like, yeah, I go to my mother's house. Yeah, that's where I'm going. She just helped me pack my little bag and just dropped me off. I ain't here for 2 weeks. I'm like, why?
Why? Why did I do that? Everything that I do is a reason why. I'm not just waking up just, oh, all right, I want him to go.
So explain. All right, so right, explain how, because you see, you go like, mind you, went through my phone. Come to find out, when I finally went through her phone, it's like she was texting people around the same time I was texting all these people. So I'm like, how?
Yeah, like how?
Do you wanna get back with Tiffany?
Yeah.
Why?
I love her to death. I feel like she's one of the realest people in my corners, even though I feel like she do give off these little sneaky vibes from here, like time to time. But you feel me? She still has some type of loyalty in there.
You get what I'm saying?
I can still confide in her genuinely.
So wait, I'm a little lost here. I have these sneaky ways. You put me through so much shit where in my head, anything that I fucking do, I don't really care how you feel or what you think. I don't care if you think it's sneaky. I don't care if you think it's a lie. I don't care. You wanna know why? Because I've been that person for you. I've been there for you.
Yeah, it looks like we have a ping from Tiffany's cousin Ebony. Let's see what it has to say.
Hi, I'm Tiffany's cousin and I think that Tiffany and Quarsan should just go their separate ways because that relationship is very toxic. Like, there's been times when I have to come involved in their relationship and separate them for them to have their little breakup. And she finds constantly— keeps finding ways to have him back in her life, always. And it don't do nothing best for her. Just, it's toxic. I just think someone with mommy issues can't be in a relationship with someone who has abandonment issues. It's just not gonna work.
Ebony, you're welcome on my show anytime to be one of mine. You're welcome anytime here, Ebony. So y'all want each other's phones unlocked, right?
Yeah.
'Cause you feel like that's gonna be the solution to this?
It might not, but it might. I don't know, because in my head, right?
It's time to unlock the phone. Kwaison, we unlocked your phone. Actually, we did not 'cause you refused to unlock your phone.
Wait, hold on, pause, pause.
Wait, wait, wait.
Anytime she asks, like, mind you, how many times she went through my phone already, bro? I never sat here and just lied about, she went through my phone more than just twice.
No, telling you.
I'm telling you.
I'm telling you.
So why did you refuse?
Because she went through my phone numerous of times already. I already told this young lady.
Wait, 'cause it's some shit in there.
Anything she wanted to know.
Okay, well Tiffany, we unlocked your phone. Are you ready for this?
I don't know, man.
Okay. Well, actually we didn't unlock Tiffany's phone because she refused as well.
No, no, no, no, no. Exactly, come on.
No, no, no, no, no.
No, we're not unlocking my phone because I am not the one that's been cheating. I'm not the one that thinks I have to cheat. I'm not that one.
It's premeditated.
No, it's not premeditated.
When she do it, when she come back and I end up find out about it.
No. No, you're not going, I'm not giving you that satisfaction. Why am I giving you that satisfaction? To please you? Have you been pleasing me? Hell no. So why the fuck am I pleasing you? I'm not that girl.
So Tiffany, when you came out here, you said that one of the things you can't stand about him is that he's a pretender.
Yes, he's pretending.
But the biggest person that I see pretending and living in an imaginary world is you. Really? You got with a young man who had no experience in this world, had never really experienced the world, and decided to say, well, you know what? I want you to be this. And then got upset when he couldn't give you that. You were almost in your 30s when you got together and he cheated on you in the first 30 days.
But this my thing.
Hold on. Hold on. I've let you speak this entire time. Mm-hmm. You decided to stay after 30 days. Right. Then you decided to not only stay, but to retaliate. Right. And as you have stayed and retaliated, you continue to break your self-esteem down.
Right.
You're not ready to be in a relationship. You probably don't have a solid family life, and you've been looking for somebody who's gonna give you some type of stability. And you're staying with her because she provides you with that. And you've been abandoned before and you're looking for somebody to stay around and show you the love that you've been wanting. Right. And I see all those things. And if you want to have this family union, you want to have a man that's not gonna trigger you and it's gonna be healthy, you can find that. But you're never gonna find that staying with someone that's younger. Just because you've invested 3 years doesn't mean anything in the long run. Let me tell you something, when you really love a woman, you don't need to be talking to nobody else because that woman is gonna just be the one you want. You gonna end this?
It's already ended.
Are you gonna go back? You gonna go back?
I don't know, 'cause I'm broken.
Yeah.
I don't know.
You're not broken. We're gonna change that narrative.
I feel like I am.
I know you do. And you're not broken. I know you feel like you do. And the reason you feel like you do is because you're trapped in a situation that's unhealthy. But you're not broken. You can get out of this and be better. But you gotta end this one first. So whatever strength you have left in you, you gotta look at this man and say, we're not getting back together. We gonna co-parent and you go do what you gotta do as a young man and figure it out. And we'll co-parent and see something. But this is not your friend. This is not your lover. This is not your friend and this is not your mother. Okay.
