In this episode of Karamo’s talk‑show, host Karamo mediates a heated paternity dispute involving three participants: Kirsten, her current boyfriend Joshua, and her ex‑partner Junior. Kirsten claims uncertainty about the father of her two‑month‑old son, suspecting either Joshua or Junior. She reveals a history of overlapping relationships, including a recent affair with Junior two months before the baby’s birth, and a prior miscarriage with Joshua. Joshua, unaware of the potential paternity issue until Kirsten called the show, agrees to a DNA test to confirm his status as a father. Junior lives in the same apartment, has been a primary caregiver for Kirsten’s older daughters, and remains emotionally entangled with Kirsten. The conversation explores each party’s perspective on co‑parenting, infidelity, financial contributions, and emotional needs. Karamo guides the participants through the DNA reveal, which confirms Joshua as the biological father. The revelation triggers mixed reactions: Joshua expresses relief but also frustration over the process; Junior feels less stress but uncertain about his role; Kirsten is emotional and seeks acknowledgment of her efforts. Karamo offers advice on healthy co‑parenting, emphasizing the importance of modeling respectful behavior for the child and suggesting that the romantic relationship between Kirsten and Joshua may need to end for the child’s benefit. The episode ends with Karamo summarizing the dynamics and encouraging viewers to return for further discussion.
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Why do you need to get this DNA test?
Because I believe my boyfriend Joshua is not the father to my son.
Mm.
Does Josh know that he may not be the father?
He didn't know until I called the show.
So he didn't know until about a week ago?
No.
Ooh, okay, okay, you are messy. Okay. And how did he not know?
He didn't know until I told him, but he also suspected when I had him that he didn't look like him, so.
Whose baby could this be?
My current boyfriend Joshua or my ex-boyfriend Junior.
Okay. So let me ask you, are you still messing around with Junior?
Yes.
I said earlier she messy, okay? How recently?
Like 2 months ago.
2 months ago.
Yeah, like, it was like right before I had my baby.
2 months ago, you messed with your ex Junior. Did Josh know about that?
No.
Okay, he got speakers back home, so he heard it now, okay, just so you know. So why did Josh agree to take a DNA test?
Ooh, this is a good one. Okay, so basically I got with Junior, had my first daughter. Then I left Junior, had a sneaky link, and had a daughter with my sneaky link.
Got it, okay, got it, got it, got it, got it.
And then after I left, like I left him alone completely 'cause he doesn't want anything to do with our daughter. And then I started messing with Joshua and I had a miscarriage by him. And then once I found out he cheated on me, I had started sleeping with Junior but with a condom on. And since my second daughter, even though I messed with her dad with a condom on, there's a possibility that Junior's a possibility of the third one as well.
Got it, understand. How old is the baby right now?
He is 2 months old.
2 months old?
Yeah, he's 2 months old. He'll be 9 weeks next week.
9 weeks, okay. So this is all recent, everything that's happening.
Very recent, yes.
Is Josh a good father?
He can be. He's really good for the most part, but he's a first-time parent, so you can't knock him.
Okay.
First time parent. I wasn't the best first time parent.
Okay, got it. In context, y'all all in your early 20s?
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Yes.
Okay. Okay. So now see all that judging, y'all remember being 20. Y'all was a little messy too. So I just say that because I don't agree with the choices, but I understand the choices. Do you recognize there's a pattern of you going back? You do recognize that?
Oh, Karamo, yes.
Okay. You know your patterns. Okay.
Yeah, I've known him since I was 6 years old and we've been off and on for 14 years.
Okay, a self-aware queen is a queen that can grow. So that's what I need to know.
Amen.
Okay. So why does Junior still live with you?
Junior didn't want them going to daycare, so he made me a stay-at-home mom from the time I had my first daughter. We have a 3-bedroom apartment, so I have my room, he has his room, and then my girls have their room. But now that I've had the new baby, me and him share a bedroom. Got it. But it's always been Junior taking care of everything.
Wow, since day one?
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
Even when he knew—
Is Junior a good dad?
He's a great dad. Great dad. That's an understatement.
Yeah, great dad. Because you have one with, aw, that's sweet. So you have one with him that's biological, but he takes care of your sneaky links child as well?
Yes.
Okay.
Yes, but she has—
I'm just keeping track of the story, you know what I mean?
He took care of me while I was pregnant with her. And another thing is, That right there, that's one of my favorite pictures, but she has his last name and he's on her birth certificate.
Okay, wow. So he is a great father.
He's amazing.
Yes. Got it, got it. Does he help with the new baby?
Yeah, he even bought stuff for the new baby not knowing if it's his or not.
That is so sweet. So why haven't you and Junior worked out?
It's more like chemistry. I'm the only girl he's ever been with and he's 25. He doesn't like to cuddle, he doesn't like to We don't really do much things together. He's more, he likes to work, come home, play his game, play with the kids, and you know, same stuff.
Judy got a brother? 'Cause I don't know.
No, he ain't got none but sisters.
Oh, you wanna stay over there? Great, okay. You don't go to work, go pay these bills? Perfect, sign me up. Maybe that's just 'cause I'm in my 40s, okay? Maybe that's just why. All right, so, So what are your feelings for Josh?
I do, I want to see him progress as a father if he is the father to my baby, but I don't wanna be with him at all if he's not.
Listen, you said that you know what you need and what you want, and you're realizing that's not it, okay. Well everyone, let's welcome Josh to the show so we can hear his side of the story. Hi Josh. Josh, how are you?
What's going on, brother, how you doing, man?
Nice to meet you.
Nice to meet you.
Okay, Josh, did you have any idea that the baby could be Junior's?
I had some suspicion, yes.
Just some suspicion, okay.
I had some very suspicions the way that she'd act towards him and it's just, well, now my suspicion's confirmed now.
Are you surprised they're still hooking up?
No.
Why did you agree to take the DNA test?
I wanted to make sure for myself, this is my first kid, kid, or close to my first kid, I wanted to make sure it's mine.
Got it. How did you feel about her living with Junior?
I'm raised kind of old school. If somebody lives with somebody else and their ex, or they had a baby with them, baby mom, baby daddy, whatever it is, they still got feelings for 'em either way. No matter how you put it, they still got feelings for each other or they would not be living with each other.
Yeah.
They can co-parent, set up times like you can come see, you can see your daughter or whatever, you come see him and then go back home.
You right. Do you live there too? Sometimes?
She said sometimes, yes, I come sometimes.
Okay, so you're there sometimes?
Yes.
Okay, the reason I asked that because I know y'all still in a relationship. Yeah. And so if she's living there, I figured, but she just said since the baby has been there, she had to move into the room with Junior. So where you been staying?
In her room.
In her room, got it. Why are you staying in this relationship if she is living with Junior?
'Cause when I first met Kirsten, I didn't know about Junior. She didn't tell me about Junior. She told me she had two baby daddies. One of 'em was not in the picture. One of 'em was.
Got it, I understand.
So that part was kind of left blank to me.
Got it.
And Kirsten showed me somebody that I've never been before. I know I cheated and did wrong, but she's never cheated on me, or so I thought. So I think, no, she hasn't cheated on me. She's never really gave me like signs that she's texting nobody. I mean, I go through her phone, there's just nothing in it.
Got it, got it, got it, got it.
And then she started like, you know, showing signs that maybe she is messing with somebody.
Do you want this baby to be yours?
I do.
Oh, that's nice.
It's been a dream of mine to have, especially a boy too, 'cause I know I've wanted a girl, but it's just something in me, just I feel like I connect more with a boy.
What happens if he's not yours?
I don't know, I've been thinking about that. I'm definitely not sticking around. Definitely not. Something's gonna have to get repaid, something.
Yeah, oh, for the things that you paid for?
No, not only that, not only that, for my emotional.
I could ask the same question with your infidelity for months on end. Who do you love? No, like much love, like I get you're coming at me sideways asking me, oh, I thought she never cheated. I don't see how it's right when you cheat, but it's a problem when I do.
It's not a problem. It's only a problem when you lie about saying you don't cheat and then go cheat.
You did the same thing though. Doesn't matter. Even when I confronted you about it and found out through her, you still lied when I asked. That hurts people's feelings.
She said that, did you hear her backstage when she talked about the status of your relationship?
I did.
So how do you feel about what she said?
I don't know if that's really how you feel. We're not really in a relationship. You don't wanna be in a relationship with me, so.
Well listen, there is a third man that's involved in all this story and his name is Junior. So I wanna welcome Junior to the show so we can hear his side of the story. Hey Junior, how you doing? Good, how are you? I'm good. When did you first know you could be the father?
Whenever she found out she was pregnant and she told me about it.
She told you immediately. Has she told you that she wishes the baby was yours?
Yes, she did.
She did. And how did that make you feel?
I honestly don't know because it's kind of confusing that she would say that.
Mm-hmm. Why was it confusing to you? You take care of our other two children. Why would you think he's?
Yeah, because she's in a relationship with him and—
Oh, 'cause she's in a relationship with him? Yeah. Yeah, would you wanna be in a relationship with her if you could?
Yeah.
You would? Okay, got it. If you are the father, what does that mean for you and Kirsten?
Just trying to work things out and like more like stepping up on both her sides.
Okay, and how do you feel about this relationship with Josh?
I honestly don't know. I think arguments every day, usually fighting. I think it goes both ways.
It goes both ways.
It goes both ways.
Okay.
That ain't just me, that's both of y'all.
Do you and Josh ever talk? Do y'all two ever talk?
No.
No. Never?
Never.
So when y'all in the same house, y'all just ignore each other?
Yes.
I don't act like he ain't in there.
You act like he's not there? Yes. But he on the lease. Okay.
I got invited into the house.
So you get invited in the house, okay. How does that make you feel that he ignores you when he's in the house?
I do the same thing.
You do the same thing? Okay. My producer said you have a question for her today.
Yeah, I was wondering why did you try to pursue something with me if you was with Josh?
Because we've realized before that we still have feelings for each other. It's just like I'm more attracted to you when you wanna have sex, but then when I'm not, it's just like I don't exist.
Would you pursue a relationship with her if you are the father?
Yes, if I was the father, yeah.
And would you give it any chance? You would?
I have multiple times, yes.
But at this point you're like, no, this is only co-parenting for you?
No, he's done a lot of infidelity in the past himself when I left out.
You cheating?
I've been off and on with him for 14 years.
Junior, don't gimme a little quick smile. Oh, I saw it come up. Junior, you cheating too?
It was like a long time ago. It was in high school. She can't let it go.
Got it, in high school, okay, okay, got it, got it, okay. I can't let it go. Okay, okay. But it wasn't sex, it was just emotional.
It was physical.
Don't lie, it wasn't sexual, it was physical.
Okay, got it.
Grew up with somebody else.
'Cause you said you've been the only person that Junior was with, so that's the only reason I said that. All right, well listen, I think I have enough information about what's going on with the three of you all So Kirsten, I wanna know, are you ready for the DNA truth?
Yes.
Okay then. Will love come with me? So in this envelope is the DNA truth for your son. You have two men that are on this stage. You think both of them could be the father. This is your moment to find out the answers. It's your truth to open, not mine. So good luck.
Oh no. Told you. I told you from the minute I was pregnant it was yours.
What does it say?
It's Joshua's.
It's Joshua's?
Yeah.
I wanna see it. It means a lot.
That's it.
Yeah.
Josh, what's your thoughts?
I'm happy it's mine, but I'm not happy at the fact that what we had to go through to—
To get there?
To get the results, yeah.
Well, you couldn't afford it. We've been through this before. We looked at options.
Oh, I could afford it. It's just I wasn't— I can afford it. It's not like I'm not making money and I'm broke.
Junior, how are you feeling this moment?
I don't know, I was kinda hoping it was mine in a way, but I'm kinda glad it's not.
You are? Okay. And why are you glad?
It's less stress.
Less stress?
Yeah.
Yeah? Okay. Do you think, Junior, you're gonna end up taking care of this baby anyway?
No, I don't, honestly, I don't know.
You don't know? Okay. What are your thoughts right now, Josh?
Nobody's raising my child.
But you?
Yes.
Good job, okay.
Yeah, I'm putting my foot down on that. I don't care what anybody says. I don't care, it's my child. I'll raise him. He's gonna be raised as a great young man.
Okay. Well, the first thing I would tell you to do if you wanna model the proper behavior is to not be in this relationship.
Yeah.
The best chance of your child, of your son having the ability to understand how he should act as a man is by him seeing two people who co-parent in a healthy way. I agree on that. Kirsten, you're emotional right now. What's going on in your mind?
A lot.
Tell me.
It's just, I get he says all that about wanting to, but why not start before that? You know, why not start from the time we had him?
I understand.
I wanna ask him a question if you don't mind.
Go for it.
When you said be repaid, I'm not trying to be rude or just put our business out there, but the only two things you physically had to pay for the whole time was a $100 crib and a $40 high chair, brand new in the box, nothing else. I've gotten clothes, I've gotten everything else. Well, the clothes. That's not what I'm saying. I want you to be grateful for the effort I put in towards having him even though I had no job to do that. I got everything, everything, Even the bouncer.
Do you have family support?
No.
Yeah, okay, I understand that. 'Cause what I see here is that a mother who wants to be the best mother possible. I see a man who's still emotionally involved with someone that doesn't, isn't not healthy for you to be with her either, but you're trying to step and do the best. And I also see a young man right here who wants to be a good father, but right now is trying to figure out how to be a man to himself and how to support his own life. And I think there's a lot of support that each of you need and understanding how to take it to that next level. And if I can give you some tools to get you to that next step, I want to do that for you. Okay. So listen, everyone at home, thank you for being with us. Make sure to come back next time, friends, so we can keep talking and growing and we'll keep talking backstage.
