Is My Fiancé Sleeping With My Daughter? | KARAMO

Why would your woman say you're cheating if it's not true?

I was drinking and I was with my brother and Fon and we were having a little heated argument.

Yeah.

And I said that I slept with another woman and it was your daughter.

Are you, hold on, hold on, the layers. You said that you said, I'm sleeping with another woman and you told her that it was her daughter?

Yes.

Why would you say that it was her daughter?

Because I was drunk. And I was not in my right state of mind and I should never have said those words.

Okay, hold on. So I gotta back up. Have you ever cheated on Fawn before? No. Never?

Nope.

Never?

Never.

Okay.

Why would I cheat on the woman that I love?

So I know this moment you said that, but outside of like, that's a very big accusation to say like you're her daughter.

It is. Bad that I did that. And I never should have done that. But I've been sober for almost a year and it's, you know, 8 months. And I don't wanna live that lifestyle. It's not a lifestyle that I need to live. But I never should have said those words. You understand?

I feel you. So why does she insist you have still been cheating? Because you said you've been sober now and everything's good.

Things that I get on her phone. And I get on my phone, I have like hidden apps, hidden numbers.

She thinks you have hidden apps and numbers.

Yes.

Okay then. So you two got engaged, correct? Yes. When did you get engaged?

We got engaged at a Christmas lighting.

Oh, that's beautiful. And what year was this?

This was October 18th, 2022.

'22. Okay then, great. And so, and you said you got sober when?

I got sober about a year and about 5 months ago.

A year and 5 months. Okay, good. Okay.

A year and 5 months.

Okay, great. And so how are the cheating accusations hurting the relationship now? Because you're engaged.

It's been bringing the relationship spiraling down.

Yeah.

And it hurts because I don't want her to think that this of me, her husband, her fiancé, the man that she's going to marry. Why would I do this to her?

He's been cheating from day one and you lied to him about what you said about my daughter. We were at Applebee's and she was there. We ran into both of my girls and the guy came and sitting next to her my daughter, "Oh, who's this, da da da." [Speaker:KARAMO] Oh, so it was like sort of a jealous reaction is what you're saying. [Speaker] Yes, literally. He sat back and was mad, "Who's this now, da da da." And I said, "Why are you so upset?" And he literally said, "'Cause I slept with your daughter." [Speaker] I've never had— [Speaker] And he fantasized about her. He has called me my daughter's name more than 5 times.

[Speaker] I've never had—

[Speaker] In bed.

I never have. Are you concerned Josh is cheating on you and not being safe?

He is, because not once. Yes, not once but twice he has gave me an STI, a sexually transmitted infection. And you're blaming me on my cyst.

She has a cyst that we both went to the doctor's and you know that and it caused an infection.

That's not what it is. You need to sit there and you sit there and you promised me you were gonna go and you were gonna tell everybody the truth. When you last night, he's been disrespecting me from day one. We can't go out in public, I can't do nothing, 'cause this man likes to lie and cheat all the time, and he's always blaming everybody that's on his phone.

What do you mean he can't go out in public? So he doesn't take you out in public?

So every time I go in public, she thinks I'm looking at breasts or booty?

No, no, no, no, get it right, 'cause now you're trying to stick up for yourself and it ain't working. He will make comments how beautiful they are, and don't get mad when they look better than you and everything else. And you know what? You know who he compares me with? 20-year-olds.

I do not.

20-year-olds.

I do not.

I'm 46, I'm sorry, I am not.

I love my age. I love my age and I love you.

Oh, you're 43 acting like you're 25.

You are my age. My wife, I'm sorry.

43 acting like you're 25.

I'm not this person that you think I am.

Yes, you are. Yes, if you do not change and you do not get help, there's nothing more for me to say to you anymore.

I want to get help, Dawn.

You gotta get outta my house. And how can I forgive you For saying you slept with my daughter and again last night said you will never stop sleeping with her.

I said no, I never will.

He blames it on him calling off the wedding.

I told her I never will and she cuts me off. I can't.

He blames, that's what you lied about too. Yes, I do. I give you chances all the time to tell me.

But you cut me off. Oh, you will? No, I said I will not.

He's lying because you cut me off.

Well, he proposed to you over a year ago. Will you marry him if you find out he's cheating?

No.

No. No.

No. I wouldn't either.

This is wrong.

And if I catch one little more comment, About to my daughter. He has no friendship, no nothing with me. You will leave me and my family alone.

Is it possible, and you know, 'cause I always have to see both sides. I try to be fair.

Yes, I know.

I'm taking notes. Is it possible that he just made one, well, two, three mistakes?

He did.

And that they would just fix it.

And I accepted it. Okay, you wanna do it again? Okay. Nope, he keeps on doing it. And you're gonna keep on crying and you do a cry me a river because I don't believe you no more.

I can't cry?

Is that why you call him, 'cause you call him a manipulative liar, Mike.

Yes.

Is it because he's trying to show his emotion?

No, it's because he's lying about these emotions. That's what it is. I love a man that can show their emotions, but not when it's fake. But not when it's fake. And when you can cry and your tears just shut off, come on now.

What do you mean?

Grow up.

I'm trying to be confident, hold myself confident because I know I haven't done any of these things that you have alleged to me.

He can remember all types of numbers, but he can't remember supposedly that he wants to marry, my birthday or anything like that. Like he, if you love somebody so much, you don't look at somebody, and he said it sober, I'm mad that you moved on to my daughter. Moved on from what?

Because you know why? Because I considered myself as a father figure. You are lying.

That's why.

How can you look at my daughter and look at her as her father figure, but you're sleeping with her? But I never have.

But you're sleeping with her.

I never have.

How can he look at her like that?

How could I sleep with your daughter?

My daughter.

Why would I wanna do that?

Fawn, you want to know if Josh is cheating with 3 specific women. Josh says he's not.

I'm not.

My unlock the phone investigator searched his texts and found he's telling the truth.

That's 'cause it's a new phone. But you said it was texted to somebody on Wednesday. God knows the apps and something.

Fawn, you want to know if Josh is cheating with a family member. Josh says he's not. I'm not. My Unlock the Phone investigators searched his calls and found—

Probably nothing, 'cause it's a new phone.

He's telling the truth.

You need to believe me, Vaughn. You need to believe me.

Why can't we get the other phones?

But you said just recently, you said I was texting your daughter.

That's the reason why he chose you and I chose you. He didn't want to come on here with the other phones.

She broke one phone and then the other one I turned it in.

The last phone, the one that you got that's not, you got right there, is from my line and this one's just less than a month.

No, it's been 3 months since I had this phone.

No, it's less than a month.

Fon, you also want to know if Josh is active on dating apps. Josh says he's not.

I'm not. I know I'm not.

My unlock the phone investigator searched his apps and found he's telling the truth.

I know, I told you Fon, I'm not.

I don't believe this.

So she's not gonna believe anything.

I don't believe this.

She's not gonna believe anything.

I'm telling you Karamo, this is a new phone. He's not gonna be stupid because he knew I— He knew I wanted to talk to him.

She just said recently I told her daughter that I love her.

Well, there is something very interesting that my investigator did find that he wanted me to know. My unlock the phone investigator did say that he's never seen a phone so clean. And he said Josh had 6,230 deleted phone exchanges from Google Duo in the past 2 days.

I knew it, I knew it.

The day we took the phone and the day before. You were so in love. Behive. You know what, I wanna just show you right now, but you wanna know what, I'm gonna be a lady right now. 6,000 messages. 6,000.

I told you.

But they can't see if they're her daughter or not?

Yes, they are.

So because it's a separate app, what it looks like for my investigator is that you wipe the phone clean of any other messages.

You are pathetic, I'm sorry.

And then you're with this app.

Yes. Oh, what? I knew it, guess what, papi? You're a liar.

My wife, my wife.

Ron, also you brought your phone here because for my investigator unlock.

Yes.

Because she had, you had screenshots from Joss's phone.

He deleted them.

That he said he deleted. He deleted them.

I did not delete anything. Anything.

Deleted them all.

My investigator did work to pull them up and here's what we found.

Yeah, they're all deleted. Those are from my phone.

These are messages that you screen grabbed from his phone or that they were on your phone?

No, those are on my message messenger.

When you all shared it.

And the ones that I screenshotted on his thing, the 200 and some odd pictures that he deleted. And obviously there's a lot more. He was deleting them. He is hacking my phone all the time.

This is why I wanna take a lie detector test to prove this to her.

But you already said you took a lie detector test and you said you took twice. But why if you took two lie detector tests and you didn't like the results, would we give you another lie detector test when you've already proven that if you don't get the results you want, that you're going to try to manipulate the situation by saying it's wrong? Yes.

No.

Yes. He is right. Yes, he is right.

I'm just going off of your own words. These are the things you told me. Remember, I take notes on this show. So you said, I took it twice, I passed one, I didn't pass the other.

Bye, you're gone, you're out my house.

So the facts are in your phone.

You don't pay bills, you don't do nothing.

The facts are in your phone, it's 6,230 messages.

You can't come up with the messages?

Oh yeah.

These are the ones you have from your phone. But there was something interesting on your phone that I wanna take a closer look at. There was a message that said, That's the ex. He is just awful. And I'm only gonna tell you what he said about you so we can use it as ammunition to stay away from him. Not that you don't have enough now, but he told me you were stupid, had no education.

Yes, he did.

That you didn't know how to spell or write, that you didn't know how to do anything.

But I got out of the house.

And just lived off the government, blah, blah, blah. I think he was cheating on— She's hurt? She's hurt.

He did the same thing to her.

She's hurt.

Of course she has a right to be hurt, right?

Yeah.

Yes.

Yeah.

Yeah, because you're the cause of that hurt.

Yes.

Correct?

And he's the cause of me and my daughter's relationship that's broken too. I couldn't see my grandson for a minute because of him.

She thinks I had sex with her daughter.

She told me.

Okay, so there's a couple things at play here now that we have this. Let's be real, you know, you didn't need to come on this show because he's not only told you once that he's cheated on you, he's told you 6,000 times.

And that made it, and you're right, no, I wanted to come on this show. You're right. But I needed for you to let me know.

So you can— I want us to guide you. And to top it off, where I'm gonna guide you all is two different paths. The first path is for you to acknowledge that you are pathological and manipulative in your behavior.

Amen.

I have cross-referenced things that you have said this entire time. I knew it. From your sobriety to drinking the other day, to things that you said that you've done that were not destructive that you then later admitted to being destructive. There's been no consistencies in anything you've told me. On top of that, from the minute you sat down, the first thing I wrote in this corner is questioning the emotion. Then I started writing down, don't trust the emotion. Then I wrote, don't, this emotion is pathological manipulative.

Yes. Yep.

See, it's a double word. I'm gonna tell you, you asked for my, this is performative. Yes, sir. This is performative. This is performative. This is a tactic you've probably used throughout your life to get people to feel as if they should feel sorry for your bad behavior. But at the end of the day, you have to be responsible for your bad behavior.

I'm manning up.

So lemme tell you, there's a difference between manning up and making a choice to make better decisions.

Yes, sir.

Yes, sir. That's because you're owning it. I own something that's wrong. You can own it all day long. I did wrong, I did wrong. But you're not changing your behavior.

But I know for a fact in my heart I'm not sleeping with her daughter.

Yes. And I guarantee there's, like you said, Karamo, there's 6,000 summer pictures. I don't even have to ask no more.

No more. No more. No more.

'Cause when we get home, you get what little you have at the house and get out.

Okay.

I'm done.

I need you to know for a fact.

No, I know for a fact. Karamo is not gonna lie.

No more of the performance. No more. No more.

Because I want—

That's enough. Hold on. No, hold on. Okay, okay. Enough of the performance.

I'm hurt right now.

Yeah, yeah, but enough of the performance. Okay, enough, enough, enough.

All right.

Enough, enough, enough, enough. Okay, okay. Act like yourself.

Act like yourself.

I'm respectable. I'm gonna tell you this. The minute you start acting like you, you're probably gonna have a better life, have more fun in life, and you're gonna probably find a woman who's going to enjoy doing the things and doing the things you want to do.

Well, you wanna know why? Because I've hurt her and she's been verbally abusive of me and that's brought myself to self-sabotage.

Low self-esteem, Dom. You don't have low self-esteem. I'm looking at— I wasn't mad. Let me tell y'all something right now. Let me tell y'all something right now.

He's talking exactly—

No man walking on this stage with them two earrings got low self-esteem, okay?

Yeah, so cut it out.

Cut it out. Again, it's performative. Performative, okay? You ain't got no low self-esteem. Again, you know you don't.

Karamo is right.

You know you don't. What you have is addiction to sex. You have an addiction to lying. You have an addiction to Negative behavior.

Yes.

I mean, if you want me to read, I can read. Thank you. So just let me know.

He won't call you back today.

What I'm trying to do is trying to give you the benefit to say what you need to do is when you leave this stage to try to be your most authentic self.

Yes, sir.

Because that will allow you to probably get the life you deserve.

Yes, sir.

But you're not gonna get the life you deserve with her. Even though you think you've done the work in the past 4 years to break her down, she's still strong enough. She is. Yeah.

She is. She is. She's a very strong woman.

Thank you.

I don't need you to confirm that. I don't need you to confirm that. And I see part of your manipulation is like when I say things to her like she's beautiful, you're like, "Yeah, you are beautiful," because you think that's gonna like get her to see that you're— I've seen the whole tricks, I get it all. So understand that I really do pray that you actually are able to keep this strength. You need to start living in your authentic truth, be your real self, and own that this is who you are. And maybe once you own it and stop pretending, then maybe we can get you some help, okay? Thank you. Good luck to both of y'all. All right, friends, stay with us. We'll be right back with more.

Thank you.