In this Karamo episode, Glenda confronts her mother Virginia about a deep‑seated suspicion that Virginia has been intimate with Glenda’s husband, Tavaris. Glenda recounts moments that fueled her doubt—her mother’s presence with Tavaris during Glenda’s incarceration, a tense airport departure, and past arguments that often involve Tavaris’s name. Karamo probes the family, asking both Glenda and Virginia about their histories, the nature of their relationship, and specific incidents. Virginia denies any wrongdoing, expressing hurt and asserting her respect for her children. Tavaris also denies any inappropriate contact with Virginia. To resolve the dispute, Karamo brings in a “Lock‑the‑Phone” investigator who examines Virginia’s phone for texts, calls, and GPS data linking her to Tavaris. The investigation finds no evidence of illicit communication or meetings, confirming Virginia’s claims. Throughout the discussion, Karamo offers mediation, highlighting the couple’s trust issues, past trauma (including Glenda’s incarceration and a violent episode at age 13), and the need for open communication and healing. The episode ends with Karamo encouraging both parties to rebuild trust and consider future reconciliation.
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Why are you convinced that your mother would cross that line with your husband?
Due to the fact when I got incarcerated, she asked him, do me the favor, leave her the key and keep on going. And he didn't. I mean, when I was going on the bus, he's across the street. She's bringing me, I mean, supposed to be bringing me food. Well, she got to the bus late. He's across the street with her bags. And the next morning, I'm in the courtroom. He's not supposed to be there.
So because they were together when you were going through this moment, you think that something happened?
Yeah.
Okay, so what does your mom do around your husband that could be suspicious?
I mean, she's always like, I don't wanna fuck him, I don't wanna do this, I don't wanna do that. I mean, if me and you were arguing, why you always throwing his name in there? Why?
Do you bring his name into it first?
No, I don't.
What happened in the airport in Florida?
In Florida, okay, I just, I mean, I had lost my uncle. So we was gonna, I mean, leave to New York, back to New York. She went first, then he went after. I happen to have a purse, right? But a book bag as well. But I'm leaving Florida, they told me I can't take my purse. I was like, no, I'm not leaving my purse behind.
Yeah, yeah.
So I'm trying to stick it in the book bag to make room. They both left. So now I go on the plane, they both sit, I mean, sitting there together. It made me feel like they was gonna leave me.
Yeah, got it. Okay. And how often do you talk to her about that situation?
There's no talking with my mom.
Yeah, no talking ever?
I mean, everything is always an argument.
Have your arguments ever got physical?
Yeah.
They have? How many times?
A couple.
Okay. How has the situation affected your marriage?
It affected because we always arguing 'cause in the back of my mind I feel like something happened.
Do you believe your mom when she denies being intimate with him?
I mean, it hurts me 'cause it's my mom.
Yeah.
But then I don't know.
Well, you asked my unlock the phone investigator to unlock your mother's phone 'cause you wanna know if she has been sending inappropriate text messages to Tavaris, is your husband, right? Yeah. If she has ever secretly met with Tavaris when they visit New York and if Virginia has been receiving calls from Tavaris via Link NYC. Okay, what you gonna do if you find out that she been doing it?
I'm done.
You done with both of them?
I'm done with both of them.
Okay. And what about if nothing's going on?
If nothing's going on, then what can I say, but sorry?
Okay. Well, Glenda's mother Virginia is willing to prove she is innocent. So everyone please welcome Virginia to the show.
I'm true.
How you doing? Thank you for being here.
Nice meeting you.
So Virginia, I wanna ask you how you feel about what you heard?
It breaks my heart. It's very upsetting. 'Cause none of it is true. I am a decent woman, I respect and I love my children. I would never disrespect any woman, not even my daughter, especially my daughter. I wasn't raised like that. I was raised to respect one another, as you would like to be respected. A married man is some property that's already taken, you don't look at that. And I do not like leftovers.
Yeah, I know, but nobody's saying that.
Hold on, so I gotta ask you directly, because this is what she said, were you intimate with Tavaris 9 years ago?
Never ever in my life, I don't even come I don't even look at him.
How's this affect your relationship with your daughter?
Oh, she is off the hook.
Yeah.
She is off the hook.
I'm off the hook because for some reason—
Well, let her talk to you.
I mean, for some reason, sometimes every time I'm with him and me and you argue, you always gotta bring him into the conversation. I don't want this shit, I don't want that shit. Like, I mean—
Can I answer that thing about her being in jail?
Yeah.
That happened, he was there 'cause she brought him to live where I was living and I gave her my private room in my friend's house. She got into the situation. We were worried. I'm worried she's my daughter. He's worried 'cause that's her husband, her man. We both went to the precinct worried about her, nothing else, to find information. Now we go back, we're walking, talking, how we're gonna, how, who's gonna, she's not gonna be seen, we gotta go to court. So he gotta walk that way. Well, I wanna walk 'cause I gotta walk.
Who do you think is feeding her lies?
Well, my mother's feeding her a lot of lies.
Your mother? Oh my gosh. What hurtful things does your daughter say to you?
Oh, she tells me, you nasty, you whore.
You say that to your mother?
You whore, you're a prostitute, you're a lowlife bitch. You think he wanna fuck you? He don't want you. Look at you, you old bitch.
You say all that?
Yes.
To your mother?
You know why he's fucked you? You are a bitch.
When you were young, did you have a good relationship?
Okay. She hates me and she thinks I'm with her husband, which I never even looked at that.
Okay, well I think it's time to meet Tavaris. So everyone please welcome your husband to the show.
Can you move over so he can stand over there?
How you doing, man? Nice to meet you.
Nice to meet you.
Thank you for being here. Okay. Okay, so how do you feel about what you just heard?
Well, I feel that it's crazy because I feel I'm in between it.
Uh-huh. So what happened the night your wife was arrested?
Well, the night she was arrested, she told me to, when her mother come, to give her mother the keys and go to my mother house. And that's what I did.
Glenda, why did you move over right now?
No, because I don't want him sitting next to me. I don't want that next to me.
Why do you want him not sitting next to her?
Why, she's accusing me.
So has Virginia ever said, I gotta ask you directly, has Virginia ever said or made inappropriate gestures to you?
No, she did not. Never. Never.
Not once. Not once. So what happened to your phone last year?
After my phone last year, I mean, with this situation going on, she broke the phone and the only time we communicate is through a payphone.
Okay, why did you break it?
Because I don't trust him.
Got it, okay.
Text him? I never text him.
I don't trust him.
How do you communicate with people when you out then?
Through a free phone.
Okay. So why you feel like you caught in the middle?
Because of the situation with her and her mother, what they going through, so she said—
So why don't you just say clearly, since this is your woman, say it did not happen, dead it. Stop saying this, it did not happen. Why you gotta say that way?
I let my wife know that I never looked at her mother in no type of way, no form, no fashion.
Does he say that to you?
I mean, he doesn't. It makes it seem like he don't really say much.
He doesn't say much.
He doesn't seem like it's real.
Got it. You're naturally a soft-spoken, sort of more timid male. The reason I'm saying that is because that's part of the issue here. Because you're not asserting your dominance to assure your wife that nothing happening. Right. And so in a sense you are caught in the middle because you could dead this. You could let your wife know immediately and forcefully, not in any way physically violent or anything in that way, but say, listen, I love you. If I was your man and I said this to you right now, listen, I love you. I am not messing with your mother. I'm not doing nothing with her. It's me and you. Stop this BS. Would that resonate with you?
I don't know.
Yes, it would. I know for a fact it would.
If it would've been from the get-go.
From the get-go, I get that. I understand. But now it's lingered for so long. Yeah. I get it. So I wanna know from you, when did you start having these trust issues?
From that day.
From that day? I think it started before then, but you know what we gotta solve right now is I do wanna unlock the phone because we need to find out if there is something here to start this getting back home, please. All right, it's time to unlock the phone. Virginia, we unlocked your phone.
Yes, lovely. I had no doubt 'cause I don't do nothing wrong.
Well, Glenda, you wanna know if your mother has been sending inappropriate text messages to your husband. Your mother says she is not. My Lock the Phone investigator searched her texts and found that she's telling the truth. Glenda, you wanna know if your mother has ever secretly met up with your husband when they visit NYC. Your mother says she has not. My Lock the Phone investigator searched her GPS and found that she's telling the truth. You want to know if your mother has been receiving calls from your husband via a link NYC. Your mother says she has not. My locked-up phone investigator searched her phone and found she's telling the truth. So from what we can see in searching her phone, there is no communication.
I told you. That hurts, you know? You're saying sorry now, but if you continue, you're on your own 'cause I want your love as a daughter. And I'm a mother, not a mother whatever, okay? I love you dearly. And you gotta give me more respect and stop degrading me in the street and talking all that shit.
Same for you and the same for you and the same for me and the same for you.
So don't say that you don't respect me in the street. No, no, no, no, no. I do it to you because you disrespect me.
Ain't nothing I love.
You talking to me in front of everybody and staying quiet.
Let me ask you a question.
After you learn how to respect me, I'll respect you.
When you were a kid, You said y'all didn't have a good relationship.
It was, I mean, maybe till like the age of 13.
13.
'Cause she wanted to do what she wanted to do.
What happened at 13 from your perspective?
Okay, let's talk.
I was on my own basically.
No.
Why were you on your own?
'Cause she said— I don't wanna go there.
What?
I really don't wanna go there.
You don't wanna go there? Yeah. Okay, so I'm gonna tell you, and this is why I said we don't have to go there. But no, 'cause this is what I know. At the end of the day, yes, I see disrespect and you do deserve respect as her mother now. But what I do know to be true is that at 13, something happened where she felt disconnected from her relationship with her mother. And I don't know this story, so I'm not gonna come down on you. But what I do know is that I'm looking at two children who never got something from their mother that they needed at some point in their life. And I said you as well, because to hear your mother say things about you, I feel sorry for you as well. Your job is to do this as a parent.
I'll try.
I'll leave the door open whenever you want. Whenever you want, I'm here. Whenever you want. You've been vindicated today that you're not sleeping with her husband.
Never.
I got that. So now that that is cleared, you will someday have to trust that your mother is willing to hear you. And I know that's hard for you because that's why all of this trust and things have come up because you don't feel like she would hear you and it's broken the trust at some point. I know it, I don't know what it is. And I'm not, you can make the faces.
No, no, listen.
But I'm not, because I'm not coming down on you. Not on you, not on you, it's just that it's true. It's frustrating, I get it. But I'm just trying to tell y'all, since I can't go there, at some point the healing has to happen. At some point. And you have to believe that she's gonna be open and she's gonna be there to listen. And when that day happens, you can't say, ah, ah, you just gotta be patient and just be there. That's it. But I wish y'all the best of luck, I really do. Because I see a lot of pain and I wish that y'all had an opportunity to heal this. But your mother's right. The only thing that's gonna start this healing journey is you opening up. So when you're ready, she's willing. All right?
