Is The Man On My Birth Certificate My Father? 👀 🧬️ | KARAMO

Thank you for allowing me to be here.

Of course, so let's go back, Debbie. Your DNA mystery starts when you were planning a cruise?

Yes, mine and my aunt's cruise, it's called the Debbie Cruise.

The Debbie Cruise?

Yes.

I like that, sounds like a good time.

Debbie and Debbie Cruise.

Yeah, and so what happened when you were planning on the cruise?

The post office told me I needed a new birth certificate for my passport. So we went on to order a new birth certificate and it came back as Debbie Lynn Andrews instead of my original that I've known for for my whole life, which was W.N. Marshall.

Wow, wow, that's interesting.

And it had Shane Andrews as my father, and my original had triple X.

Wow, oh my gosh. So Jevi, we have copies of both your birth certificates. Let's see the original birth certificate. So it says—

Marshall.

Marshall on that one.

With the triple X as my father.

Uh-huh, and then let's see the one that you received.

Andrews.

Andrews.

I've known myself as Debbie Lynn Marshall for 30-some-odd years. And now I get smacked in the gut with Andrews.

What went through your mind when you saw that?

A lot of everything. An emotional roller coaster. I woke up not realizing or knowing who I was anymore. Going from one name to another name and being who I am as a person, it did hurt me. It crushed me because I am a very sensitive person. My family can tell that.

How long have you been searching for your birth father?

As long as I can remember, to be honest. I've asked questions about him. I always heard it doesn't matter who your real father is because you got us, and then I heard it was somebody else, and I gave up. A few years back, 'cause I'm tired of the disappointment. I'm tired of the lies and the secrets. I just wanna move on with my life. I got kids at home. I have daddy issues. I do. But this isn't a way for somebody to find anything out.

Yeah, yeah. I understand that. And so you get this shock of a life with this birth certificate.

Yes.

And then you track down Shane.

I searched for him.

Uh-huh.

And the only reason I searched for him was because I heard growing up Shane Andrews, Shane Andrews, the love of my life.

'Cause that was your mom's love of her life?

Yes, that's what she always told me.

Got it. And then you get this birth certificate that also has the name, so it all just came together for you.

Yes.

And what did Shane tell you?

He told me he was with my mom at a point in time. He was honest that he dated my mom. I was looking at him at that time as a type of father figure, but never of him coming out as telling me that he could have been or possibility of being my father. But I did take the steps and I went and I got a tattoo for Shane and it says dad.

Wow, okay.

I regret it now because of learning who he is and the lies.

And so now you said you're angry with him because it sounds like you searched him out, It was good, why are you angry with him now?

'Cause after a while he started lying.

Okay.

And then I get told because my mother died, I become distant. Yes, that's kind of true. Because when I lost her, I lost absolutely everything.

I hear that.

Okay, my mom was my rock, my heart, everything. No matter what lies or anything she kept from me, she was there for me. I didn't have a father there. Okay, that—

She was your mom, I hear you. She was both mom and dad.

No matter what I put her through, she never turned me down. Yet she treated me like a kid. I'm tired of being treated like I'm a kid and living Life without her is hard.

So why are you angry with Shane?

I just wanted the truth. My mom is dead. She's not coming back. There's no excuse that's gonna stop me from wanting to know the truth. I feel like I'm being destroyed, and it's not even me that's destroying myself. It's other people watching me be destroyed.

Yeah, because they should be able to give you the answers that you need so you can feel whole.

Exactly.

I hear that. Listen, our guest Debbie, her aunt is here whose name is also Debbie. That's why we have the Debbie Cruzes we talked about earlier. Aunt Debbie, how do you feel about this situation?

I want her to get the answers that she needs.

Yeah.

But I also know what answer she's looking for.

And what answer do you think she's looking for?

I know that she's looking to see who her father is and it is definitely not that jackass that's gonna be sitting on that couch.

So you have an issue with Shane.

Oh, plenty of them.

Plenty of them. Where does the issue stem from?

When he put a knife to my sister's throat and threatened to slice her throat open.

That's where the issue comes with him. Are these some of the things that made you regret getting the dad tattoo?

Yes.

Got it. Well, listen, Debbie has searched her entire life for her birth father. Desperate for answers, she tracked down a man named Shane. I think it's time that we hear Shane's side of the story.

I've known Debbie for a long time. I know, I raised her.

You raised her?

He didn't raise me.

Did you not come, have you been to my home several times with my kids?

I just told him I had a relationship with your ass and you're gonna sit there and come at me like, listen.

How are you gonna disrespect me?

I'm being disrespectful.

How?

This is my life.

How?

How? Because my mother gave it to me. The promises that you gave my mother.

What?

No one.

When do I ever put a knife to your mother's neck?

You know what, my aunt was there. That— why are you asking me that?

Your aunt was there when I put in— so how do you— your mother was my world, you know that.

How did you meet her mother?

He asked.

How did you meet her mother?

I was in the penitentiary, came home, uh, met her. She kind of changed me.

Yeah, okay.

And she had— she's got a sister named Jamie. I spent a lot of time with Jamie. Debbie was raised by her aunt, which is, her name is Debbie as well, which is Cheryl's sister. And the memories I got of her when she was a baby, last time I saw her, like, you know, but then she started coming to my house, calling my kids her brothers. I took them out, whatever she wanted. I tried to help her as best I could, you know, but she wants answers that I was listening. I don't know what she wants the answers. And what's this all about?

How is your name on my birth certificate then? What's that answer?

Let's take a look at this birth certificate, the original birth certificate. That, like, your name is on there.

How could my name be on there when I was in the penitentiary? I was in prison. How could I, would I do it from prison?

So Debbie's Aunt Debbie believes that you had something to do with changing her niece's birth certificate.

How?

Tell me, what's your point of view on this?

Oh, I know, I think she was here.

Yeah, she's here. I don't think that my sister signed a paper that the Department of Vital Statistics says that they have a letter with her signature on it stating that he is their father, when I know for a fact he is not their father.

We all know that.

And I think that when she went to visit him in prison, 'cause she had to sign a prisoner log, that he had something to do with that paper being forged with her signature on it?

No, no.

So Shane, you don't believe Debbie's your daughter? 'Cause she has the tattoo that says dad. You told her at one point that you were her father.

She called me dad. In here she's my daughter. Jamie in here is my daughter. That lady knows that.

So you said that you told them that they're your daughter but just in your heart, that you actually don't believe that you're biologically connected to you?

It's impossible. When they were conceived, I was incarcerated.

You're not a dad. You're a liar. And you know what? I hope you drop dead. I do. Because I care nothing about you. I don't. I hate you with every ounce of my life.

I mean, let me ask you a question. Where's this hurt and pain coming from?

'Cause he's a liar. He's a liar.

What has he done to you to make you feel that he's He deserves that type of treatment.

'Cause I would call him and ask him for help and it's always an excuse of what, he can't do it, he can't do this, he can't do that. But how many times has he had my sister at his house? But he can't bring me and my kids? Why?

Why?

If you were my dad, I don't wanna hear it. If you were my dad, you would've been there.

I'm gonna tell you why.

But you're not.

You're asking me why I never brought you to my house. It was because of the life I was living.

Okay.

Fit in, you wouldn't—

Do you not know where I come from?

Do you not know where I come from?

She was born with a silver spoon in her mouth. Me, I was born for the streets.

Jamie, I wanna know something. Is Shane's name on your birth certificate?

Yes, it is.

So your name is on her birth certificate as well, right?

That's what she told me, yeah.

So, so you're both of your name, your name is on both of these girls' birth certificate. And at one point, did you believe he was your father?

No.

No.

Never.

She never did.

I know who my father is.

Uh-huh. So—

It's not him.

So why haven't we got him tested then?

My father said the only way he would divorce my mother is if she would sign the paper stating me and Debbie were not his children. That is in their divorce.

So you think that's the reason that your name popped up on these birth certificates?

It shouldn't be.

'Cause you know what, like we said already, if I forged the name, then I'm going back to jail.

Somebody forged it because my mom didn't do it.

And guess what?

I can do my mom's signature to a T. My 5-year-old daughter can sign my mom's signature.

I was incarcerated when I did it.

Okay, well, do you know how to get into a visitor logbook? So I just have to ask one more time, how do we think your name got on both of their birth certificates?

I have no clue because He had to sign something. No, when they come into the prison, I'm in the visiting room. You don't even get to see your guests until they get in the visiting room. Whatever they sign in, I can't see that stuff. That's to the correction officers.

So the correction officer, you're blaming it on the prison, gave it to my mom? No, I'm saying we were your case.

I'm not blaming it.

Pack of cigarettes goes a long way in prison. That's all I'm saying.

Are you serious?

Yes, I am.

But I'm trying to figure out what would he gain by doing that? What does he gain?

Thank you, let somebody—

Attention. Protection.

Attention, attention.

He's a pathological liar.

What kind of attention?

You're a pathological liar.

What kind of attention?

Pathological liar. What kind of attention?

Okay, what kind of attention?

From somebody that's not even yours, that's what.

It's time to get to the DNA truth. Debbie and Jaime, are you ready to find out for sure if Shane is your father or not?

Mm-hmm.

You ready? All right, Jaime, well let's start with you first. Here's the truth of if Shane is your father. Jaime, when it comes to Shane, he is not your father.

I knew it.

She knows that.

That's okay with me. I'm glad.

I have no ties to him.

Debbie, are you ready now to learn if Shane is your father? What does it say?

Shane is not your father.

Been telling ya.

So again, Debbie, Debbie, I told you.

Whoever my name is, is nothing but a bastard child.

I appreciate what everybody did.

You are not a bastard child.

You stay out of my life now 'cause this is what I'm doing. I'm officially cutting you off.

That's fine.

That's the closest thing to a father we've ever had.

Wow. There's two things that I do wanna address really quickly. The first thing is, and is I'm so sorry that you are feeling so much pain because you don't have—

Yeah.

All over.

Because at the end of the day, I do see the pain that you're feeling of losing. You don't have to be embarrassed. And let me tell you why you don't need to be embarrassed. Because you were a child, you had nothing to do with this. And so you shouldn't take on the embarrassment of somebody. I know your mother did the best she could. You had a love for her, but unfortunately you didn't get the answers while she was here.

Is there a possibility to do a familial DNA on me and my sister to see if we have the same dad?

That's what she wants. Yeah, yeah, let's figure that out. We can try that for you. Yeah, we can definitely try that out. We can definitely figure that out. We can get that for you. 'Cause I'm sorry and I see the pain and I really do wanna make sure that we're giving you some answers, some closure. Both of you, I mean, both of you need some love and support. I mean, you've had your Aunt Debbie and I'm thankful that you were here to step up.

They've always had me.

Yeah, I know.

From day one, I've always been there.

You've been a protector to 'em, but you know, I do wanna help you. My second question though is, I don't understand clearly why there's so much hate for him.

Because he's a liar.

But I feel like the things that happened before.

I wanna know how your name got on my birth certificate and my sister's birth certificate if you didn't do it. My mom would not have done it.

I was in penitentiary.

Okay, well how?

How could I have done it?

How is my mom gonna do it?

Like she said, a pack of cigarettes goes a long way. Are you serious?

Because when I got my birth certificate.

Anybody ever do 2 packs of cigarettes time in prison.

My mom said she didn't know how it got there. She didn't sign it. She didn't sign anything. So how did it happen?

So I'm gonna tell you this, and this is true from my own lived experience. Anyone who knows me knows that I found out later in life that I had a son when he was much older, when he was 10 years old, popped up on my doorstep. When I got his birth certificate, my name was already on it, and I can tell you I didn't sign it. And so I give you that piece of knowledge from my own personal experience to say, there could be a truth in what he's saying that he didn't put in there.

I see my original birth certificate had X's where the father was.

Yeah, I saw that too.

Okay, can I chime in just real quick?

Yeah, sure, sure.

I love my sister with all my heart, always will. I miss her every day. She did not have the sense to be able to do this on her own.

Got it, got it.

So if she did sign this paper, she didn't know what she was signing. She did it under duress and she did not know what she was signing.

Okay.

And yes, And you believe that he's the one that did that? I will believe that until the day that I die.

I wanna know the same thing they wanna know. How did I get on there?

I get it, 'cause from your point of view, there's nothing to gain from being on there.

No, because it's illegal and somebody's gonna have to pay for it.

Yeah, you are.

Well, I think one of the things we won't know because the one person unfortunately who might have that answer is not here. What we're gonna do is we're gonna end it here because unfortunately the answers aren't gotta come from this. I would like to support you, Debbie, and you, Jamie, in getting some answers about you two being sisters. I would like to support you all getting that. Maybe we can try to figure out a way to talk to the other man, to maybe one of our team members can help him to see like this could be good for him, there could be healing, because I do want you to figure out who you are. I want you to have answers. Hold up, hold up. Where are you going? I know you wanna watch more Karamo, so click here to subscribe and click here to watch more so we can keep talking and growing, friends. I love you.