Karamo Helped Me Before, But Can He SAVE My Marriage? | KARAMO

OK, so Ellen's search for her biological sister brought her to my show. Take a look.

You are my sister.

Oh my God. This is the most I've seen her smile.

So yeah. What's making you emotional right now?

You're just so sweet.

Yeah. You love that man?

Yes. It's my man.

OK, that day, Ellen gave a sister, but now she's back to see if it's time to lose her husband. Really, girl? Oh, no. She says he had an affair. So today, we're unlocking his phone. So let's start with Ellen to hear her side of the story. Hold on, I got to tell everybody at home. Y'all don't know this, but I saw you, and I was like, hey, girl, you back?

What's going on?

I didn't know why you were back. So that's the young man that I just was so happy for. Is y'all, he up to some foolishness? Talk to me, girl. When did you become suspicious of his behavior?

Shortly after we left the show.

Yeah.

He started to be real standoffish with his phone. And mind you, we married.

Yes, of course.

I don't play that.

Yeah, of course.

You know what I mean? So I asked my homegirls, I'm like, you know, is this weird that he, you know, being weird on his phone? Like I can't see his phone, I can't touch his phone. They're like, "Girl, he cheating." I'm like, "Girl, he can never be cheating on me." He's my man, you know what I'm saying? This my husband, he ain't cheating on me, I trust him. But come to find out, hmm, he's a cheater.

So what did he do and what did you find out?

I went through his phone and I seen that he was texting some woman and he was living a double life actually, taking care of her and her daughter. Left me and my daughter, our daughter, at home, you know what I'm saying? Alone, lying, saying he was out with his friends whole time. He was with this girl. Yeah.

And how long ago was that after you got the show?

October, and the show was in September, so.

All right, so we have a couple of those text messages my producers are telling me. Let me see this. Look, get me to the New Year's. I know these blank been on you, so. "Keep your options closed 'cause you still mine. Just gotta get it right so I can actually make you mine. But if you don't wanna, you gotta say that so I can move around, shorty. I ain't gonna lie, I think I love you." I love you too. Why are you trying to leave me then? And this is with that other woman?

Yeah.

What did he say when you confronted him with this?

So he was asleep when I went through his phone. He woke up out his sleep and he was looking so stupid. I'm like, who is this? What you been doing? Oh, you been lying? So he just got up looking stupid, just staring at me.

Yes.

I'm like, I got something better for you. I called the girl off my phone. I took her number off his phone, I put it on my phone. I said, hey, this your man. Little did you know he was married. He's married. You know what I'm saying?

Yes.

And he got on there talking about some, Ellen, you know what, I wanna be with you. I ain't done, la da da da, and stormed off and left. So.

So he actually, in the moment of you calling her, chose her.

Mm-hmm, he chose her.

And what was his reasoning for saying that he cheated?

Lack of sex. So, you know, these men nowadays, all they care about is sex. We are married. We've been together almost 9 years. Sex is so small now. It's more to a marriage than sex.

Yeah. Well, it's time to hear from your husband and get his side of the story. So everyone please welcome Van to the show.

Bro, you can walk.

Hey Van, how you doing?

I'm good, how are you?

I'm not too good 'cause I'm sad to see y'all here for this. You know what I mean? Last time I saw you was in there and I was like, oh, it is so sweet. And now I'm hearing this. So what's going on? From your opinion, I saw you walked out here and you shook your head and you were like, nah, nah. Okay, cool. So it's something she's saying not the truth?

If she lie, and you contradicted yourself twice. You said that you caught me cheating in October, right? But then you just told him that you caught me talking to her in December. So which one is it?

I caught you talking to her in December, but I had a feeling since October that you were cheating. And when I went through your phone the first time, you were cheating since October, buddy.

No, you seen a contact in my phone.

Oh my God, you told me yourself you were cheating since October. I don't wanna hear it.

Hold on, because what I wanna make sure is that we don't manipulate the situation in this conversation to something that it shouldn't. At the end of the day, you did cheat because you ended up going to this woman's house.

I did.

So whether she misspoke by telling me October or December, it doesn't matter. 'Cause at the end of the day, you did do what you did.

Correct.

And the reason I wanna shut that down is also as an example for people because people will try to get caught up on one detail that you say wrong in a story and then try to use that of the story versus just using what it is.

Exactly.

What it is, it is that you cheated. So no matter when it was, you did it. And you also left your family to go to this other woman's house, correct? Mm-hmm. So why did you leave her the day after Christmas from your point of view?

The day after Christmas, we got into it or whatever. It was a little toxic situation. She told me to leave. She said, "Get out, get out my house." You think I'm about to just sit here and let you keep telling me to get out your house? Okay, I'm about to leave. You saying that you think I was at her house, but you know, while you sitting here, you know that I stayed at my sister's house the whole time.

Not the whole time.

The whole time.

You was at that girl's house, Van. Don't lie.

The whole time. And then, You called her, whatever. And you still chose her.

You chose her though.

I didn't tell you though, that wasn't—

You chose her.

Did you choose her from your opinion?

Yes, you did.

No, I didn't. Okay.

I didn't.

Because from what she's telling me that she talked to the woman and the woman said that you still did interact with each other even after you left the house.

It was some stuff going on, it's like situational. I'm not gonna speak on it of what was going on, but it was some stuff that was going on and I was, in between places at that time, if that makes sense.

So during that time when you're in between places, you did go back to that woman?

Probably like 4 times.

Okay, so again, I wanna make sure, I wanna make sure because what we're trying to do here is we're trying to stay, because what she said, I wanna be clear about something.

That's still not okay. I don't give a fuck if it was one time.

You're a liar.

Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan, hold on one second. Because what I wanna be clear is that Your wife came out here hoping that transparency could be found so that you could get back together.

I wasn't just at her house.

I was there. I was just with my best friend. I understand that. I'm not saying you were, but you were, but she was one of the homes you were at.

Yes.

Got it. And that's all she's saying. So why did you come back to the relationship?

I didn't wanna leave the relationship in the first place. I tried, before I walked out the house, when she said I left on Christmas, I was literally trying to talk to her.

But at the end of the day, you're my husband. You still should have never left.

I'm not about to, bro, okay. So you want me to, before I even cheated on you, bro, before we even got married, bro, I've been told you about intimacy, all that, before I even married you, bro. I said, "We need to work on this.

We need to do this." We have two different definitions on intimacy, period. I don't care about what he talking about. He's a liar, first of all.

I'm not about to be with nobody that don't kiss me. You're talking about his sex. You're talking about him not kissing you in public. No, I don't care. I don't mind talking.

I'm not kissing no man that treats me like shit.

You're not about to talk to me crazy.

I think I'm about to kick you out.

I'm not about to be with you. I'm not about to keep sitting here and being with you.

Van, do you want to repair this relationship? Van, I'm asking you a direct question. Do you want to repair this relationship?

Yeah, I wouldn't be here if I didn't want to, but I don't want her sitting here faking like she just don't know what was going on either. 'Cause that's what's gonna make me not want to be with you.

Listen, I'm getting a ping and we have a voicemail. We have a voicemail from Vantasia, Van's sister. What's up, sister?

Van, all that cheating stuff is out the door. You are a married man with a daughter and a wife and a daughter that absolutely adores you and needs you and just get it together.

Okay, so your sister wants you. Okay.

And she's been real supportive. She's been real supportive this whole time 'cause she really do love both of us and she really does. Want us to be together. People make mistakes. I'm not going to blame him for the mistakes he's made. I just don't want him to make it again. That's all I'm saying.

So you're looking to see if we unlock his phone to see if he's made that mistake again.

Yeah.

And if he's made that mistake again, you're saying you're done?

Yeah.

Well, OK. Well, it's time to unlock the phone. Van, we unlocked your phone. Ellen, you want to know if Van is still communicating with— He says he is not. My Unlock the Phone investigator searched his phone and found that Van is telling the truth.

Don't look at me.

There has been no communication with in the past 2 weeks, okay? Ellen, you wanna know if Van was messaging women on social media. He says he is not. My Unlock the Phone investigator searched his texts and found that Van is not telling the truth. My Unlock the Phone investigator found one suspicious text message. "All right, can you get my water bottle on the way down and fill it up with water and grab my charger? Can I get some?" And he's asking for—

Who is that?

Me?

Exactly.

That's you. That's me.

That's me. That's me. What? Oh, I can text now. That's me.

That's you.

OK. That's me.

Listen.

Oh, OK. That's me, y'all. That's me.

No, I'm glad it's you. Because again, all we do here is we search. We find— listen, we don't know if it's you, her, him, or them. We just need to know. What it is. So you've been vindicated, that was you. Yes, that was me. Okay, great. Ellen, you wanna know if Van is communicating with any other women. He says he is not. My unlock the phone investigator searched his apps and found that Van is not telling the truth. You're following 3 different women on OnlyFans. Are you communicating with them? So there's no communication?

No. I know about his OnlyFans.

Okay, so no communication.

Okay, great. Okay, quick question, quick question, right? I got OnlyFans, right? Because it was no intimacy. You want me to go cheat on you or would you rather me Which one?

But I was okay with that. I was okay with that. I will say that. I was okay with him.

I understand. I just wanted to make sure because it said that they're here. I need to know that if it was communication in it, like if you DM. So they're telling me right now that the investigator said there's no communication at all. All right, Ellen, you wanna know if Van has pictures of other women on his phone? He says he does not. My unlock the phone investigator searched his phone and found that he is not telling the truth. My investigator found, hold on. But it sounds like from what was found, you're okay. What was found? You're okay. What was me? It's 87 screenshots from porn sites. Oh. Well, he stopped counting after 87, so there's a lot of screenshots from that. But this is not sounding like this from other women is what it's looking like, okay?

And I'm not even too upset about it for real.

Okay.

Like if it's porn, it's porn. If you're screenshotting that, whatever, you feel me? Like as long as it ain't nobody out there.

These are whatever we have. All right.

On the juice. Hell no. Oh no, that's from when was on my phone, remember?

All right, cool. So you're okay with these?

I know about some of this because it's Somebody was using his phone at the time.

Got it, okay.

I, yeah.

Don't expose my sister, bro.

I'm not.

I'm not.

We can't show anything that's in that. That's why I don't show that. We're not this type of show. We're not showing any salacious photos. We're only doing this for transparency. And if you say that this is something you already know about.

Yes.

And that y'all are aware about, then there you go. So what we found in your phone, there was not any communication directly with any other woman since y'all have been back together. So, and the woman that he did cheat on you directly with, he's not there. But I will say there's a bigger issue here. Something here that's going on. And this happens in a lot of young relationships that when you get together and you're young and you're trying to grow together, but unfortunately young relationships, we forget that no matter how we try to play house, we have a marriage, we have kids, you start growing apart. And so you have to understand though you're not getting your needs met or feeling as if you're not getting your needs met, there has to be better communication on your part because at the end of the day, I know you love this woman, you've been together forever. But if you feel like you're going in a different direction, y'all gotta really sit down and talk about that. Y'all gotta figure out what that is. You can speak your point.

I already have.

And what do you feel happened?

8 months straight before we even got married, nothing changed.

The reason why like the sex wasn't like that is because first of all, our daughter's always around. By the end of the night when he wants to have sex, I'm tired.

I understand, I heard you. That's why I said earlier.

And it's not like, not give it, 'cause now, Since this, I've been giving you sex without you even asking.

But then that's because now that shit don't even make me want it 'cause you should've been doing it before.

Well, hold on, no, no, no, no. Don't change the goalpost. If you're getting it now.

I tell you and you cheated. You know I wanna be with you and you tell me you wanna be with me.

So what happened within the 8 months of me begging you before I did what I did? What happened between then?

It wasn't, listen, see, this is the difference.

So this is what I'm gonna tell y'all. What? Y'all can be in a cycle of going back, talking about the 8 months and talking about this and that.

This is now we're talking about.

Or you could acknowledge, I heard you 8 months ago.

And I did, I heard you and I hear you.

So now this is what—

He won't let me though.

You see this? So I get it, I see it. She's telling you she hears you now. And if you wanna be a man that's gonna step up and do what's right for your wife and your family, like I asked you, do you want to be in this relationship? That's where you have to say, okay, you know what? Yeah, you might not have heard me for 8 months, but you say you hear me now, I gotta accept that. Because just the same way she's sitting on this stage when she doesn't have to after you slept with another woman, you have to give her the same courtesy and the same respect to be able to do that for her. You gotta hear him and he has to hear you. Is that what y'all want or is that not what y'all want?

Mm-hmm. I say yeah.

Yeah.

I'll tell y'all, there's some more growth here. And outside of all the pain, there's a lot, a lot of growth that's gotta happen right now. I'm telling you, this is a pivotal point. I see it, I see it. I've worked with young couples like this. In a year and a half, y'all are either gonna hate each other and be broken, or y'all gonna say that we took the steps to be better for our family. The choice is yours. And I wish y'all the best of the luck. And if y'all need advice, I'm here. I'm here.