Karamo SHUTS DOWN Wild Guest After Crossing the Line | KARAMO

When did you start receiving messages from this woman? Okay, so first of all, thank y'all for the love in the comments about me in this pink shirt and the harness. Y'all don't know, this me outside of this. I always be wearing harnesses, okay?

I found out about her from him personally.

Okay.

But she was also stalking me and liking things on Facebook and commenting on my pictures from a fake page and I confronted him about it. And he said he didn't know who it was.

Girl, first of all, let me tell you something. Like, okay, I have empathy for this young woman, but not a lot. Not a lot. Reason being is because she's already told me within 5 seconds that she already got messages years ago from this woman, this woman, and this woman. Why you staying? Girl, why you on my stage? What is going on? We already know that he was cheating. Has he ever cheated on you?

Karamo, I lost count.

She said she lost count of how many times he cheated. Girl, then why are you, what is going on? Why are you on the stage? The show need to be her self-esteem. But we in, I get it, we need to see what happened and what got her to this place, why her self-esteem's so broken. But like literally, you already know he cheating on you. Girl, we already know. Okay, I hear you. Well, I heard your side of the story. Yeah. So I wanna meet Rayvon and hear his side of the story. So everyone please welcome Rayvon to the show. Hey, Rayvon, how you doing? Nice to meet you, man. Nice to meet you too, sir. Why was this other woman messaging Ariana?

I can't give you any answers to that, sir. Like I said, me and that woman were messing with each other when me and Ariana had a break. I can't control what another person does.

I love a person who when you ask them questions, they say, "Well, I can't explain." No, yes you can. Well, in that message, she did say personal details. So you can control if you share the things that went on this relationship.

See, and that thing, and that detail, I don't even remember sharing to her.

Well, clearly you did because it came up in the message. So why did you think it was appropriate to share that she can't have children?

Again, I don't remember sharing that information to her. I mean, I probably could have, but—

There's some type of other girl that has said that though. Okay, so later in the episode, what I'm gonna tell y'all is that I tell him that he lives in chaos, he thrives in it, and he keeps people confused, running in circles with aggressive language. Now, let's fast forward this. Y'all see this? This is what he does. He's gonna tell you, I'm gonna ask a direct question, instead of giving you a direct answer, he gonna say, "I don't know, I don't know, I can't say it." And so what I'm modeling for y'all is when people do this, you gotta stay consistent and clear about what you're talking about. You gotta say, "No, you can give an answer." And when they go on their bullshit stuff, you gotta say, "No, you can answer it." 'Cause otherwise, they gonna keep you so confused, you are never gonna get what you want and you gonna stay trapped in a relationship with somebody who you already know cheated from years ago. Do you consider the two of you in a relationship right now?

Right now? Yes, you can say that, yeah.

You can say that or yes?

Yeah, I'm finna say the amount of time that we spend together and stuff that we have, yes, you can say we're together.

You just got literally, he thrives in keeping you chaotic. He thrives in it. He never gives you a direct answer because he knows if I can't give you a direct answer, you can never pin something down on me. So what I'm trying to model y'all is when somebody does that in your life, you say, "No, is it this or that?" And don't let it go until you get the answer. And if they can't give it to you, that's your answer. Mixed signals mean mixed emotions, and mixed emotions mean you gotta walk away. That's what we call a bar. Yes.

Yes.

You're together? Yes. Okay. Have you ever cheated on her?

In the past, yes, I have. And I've— Stuff just happens. I can't give you no definite answer as to why I cheated.

I think you can. So why did you cheat in those relationships?

I was fresh outta high school. You were in monogamy. Yeah, I was fresh outta high school almost. I was becoming—

I was 22.

I was becoming a person that I didn't see myself. So like I had opportunities and stuff coming to me that weren't always there. So I guess I just took it.

Okay. I think it's time to unlock the phone. Ariana, we unlocked your phone. Rayvon, you wanna know if Ariana has been DMing other men. Ariana says she is not. My Unlock the Phone investigator searched her DMs and found that Ariana is telling the truth. By the way, y'all should know something about me. Y'all can't see it right here, but when my foot start doing this, I am not stretching. That mean that, girl, somebody is on my nerves. Y'all should just check it every episode. If y'all start seeing this foot go like this, I'm like, "Ugh." It's the anxiety and the things that I want to let out in my face or my voice that I can't let out. Because what I just did is I opened the car and I realized she ain't got nothing going on. I would have loved to have seen— See, this foot wouldn't have been moving if I had been like, "Okay, you know what, he was cheating." and like at least you got a little lick back. Not saying I'm promoting you getting a lick back, but girl, if he in here cheating on you, girl, go do, have your fun. Go do what you gotta do. Rayvon, you wanna know if Airiana is texting other men. Airiana says she is not. My Lock the Phone investigator searched her texts and found that Airiana is telling the truth.

So what'd I do to you? You mad? But I need to heal. But I'm not doing nothing wrong to you.

No, he was right. You need to heal. What does that make you feel knowing that she actually has been loyal to you this entire time?

That's nice to know.

Oh, look at him. Just pitiful. That's nice to know. That's another tactic. Let me be aggressive and let me get pitiful.

I'm gonna say that's some release, you know, I guess, you know.

Really?

Okay.

Do you even care? Because that's what it sounds like. Do you not care? Like—

What am I supposed to do?

Aggressive. Like, this boy is textbook.

You jump for joy?

Yes! Just like I would if I, we hit, you go through your, what? We go through your phone and I find nothing. Do you know how happy I'm going to be? I'll stop accusing you of shit. I can leave you alone on that tip.

She talking about, "I can leave you alone if I don't see nothing." You should have left him alone when you caught the first woman he cheated on you with. All right, well, Rayvon, we unlocked your phone. Let's see what's in Rayvon's phone. He yawning. Mariana, you wanna know if Rayvon has been using apps. You see that foot? You see that foot? That foot let me know exactly how I'm feeling. My Unlock the Phone investigator searched his apps and found that Rayvon —is not telling the truth. Rayvon received 6 payments. So hold up. Prime thing, I want y'all to watch this. Chaos. He's about to get chaotic.

That's fine. That's fine. OK, relax.

He's about to— and so he's done it. So like, you see how she has to calm him down. She has to calm him down. Instead of it being about the fact that he's cheated, I'm going to make you feel like you stupid. You're crazy. You did it. Again, that's my mother. That's for rent. That's great. All type of stuff.

Come on now.

Okay, that's fine.

Okay, look, look, you know, we're only here to search and go through it and get the answers. We don't know who the people are in your life other than the two people on the stage. Why are you calming him down, girl? Cuz he clearly had no emotions for you. Question: why did you feel like you needed to calm him down when his behavior before, when you found out you weren't cheating, was very calm? I'll get back to this. Okay, see the put, girl. I want to read her. There go the foot.

Yeah, I'm sorry.

Ariana, you wanna know if Rayvon has been calling other women. Rayvon says he is not. My unlock the phone investigator searched his calls and found that Rayvon— You see that way he just disassociates when he's looking off? It's showing you that he does not care about what you about to find 'cause he knows that I can manipulate and do what I need to do. Is not telling the truth. Rayvon had a total of 800 calls with a woman named Since May 17th. That is my friend from Michigan.

She really cheated on me with before. What do you mean? She's just a friend.

Listen though, listen, listen, listen, listen.

But you broke up that relationship though. Me and her have not had a physical relationship in years.

Why are you— why is it cool with you to be friends with somebody that you had sex with before?

She called me every once in a while.

I sometimes even answered the phone call. That's not every once in a while. If she would have said 800 calls and wouldn't have said nothing, it would've confused the mess outta him because then he would've said, you know what? Like, I don't know how she's feeling. When you put your feelings on display for people like this, people like this, they always know how to get back in. It's not that many times. It is 800 times. It's not, it's not.

I know for a fact it's not.

So what I would like you to do is not try to gaslight me.

I'm telling you. I'm not trying to gaslight you, sir. I know for a fact what I do on my cell phone and how many times I talk to that woman. If it was another woman, sure, perfectly fine. But that woman right there ain't no fucking way.

So what I'm going to tell you to do is, first of all, lower your tone with me. Let me tell y'all something. You see this? I don't play them games, you know what I'm saying? We don't need no security on this stage to play with me. Raise your voice, see what happens. Don't let this pink fool you. So we are tracking the data that is in your phone, which is why I came up with this segment.

And it's very much so inaccurate. Very much so inaccurate 'cause I barely, you could call that woman right now. I don't need to. Right now and she would tell you, I don't even talk to her like that.

So one more time, I'm gonna tell you. What the hell? So let me tell you, this is the last warning I'm gonna give you about raising your voice to me on this stage. The last warning. That's the father that my kids see. Just in case y'all wondering. Ariana, you all know Bravon has been texting other women. I already saw this number coming anyway 'cause it was in front of me. But I gagged inside. Rayvon says he is not. My unlock the phone investigator searched his text and found that Rayvon is not telling the truth. 43,000? Who are you texting? Rayvon has 43,000. She is stunned. I was stunned. 863 deleted text messages from 4 different women. Look at him, disassociating. Again, another big number. Instead of saying, I'm sorry, owning, disassociate. I don't give a damn. This is from 2 days ago, and it said, my love, I told you I'm miscarrying. It's the same stuff, blood, cramps, fever, and body aches. See, she gonna give him the power she needs again right here. Let me react, let me react. I'm not gonna react, but you should react.

Did that message state that the baby was mine?

No. Chaos and confusion. Always going to have some way to get out of it. 655 were from— 4,200 were from— Is she the one that keeps on talking about boyfriend? I love that people think they can come on the show and then we not going to find everything. Like, I just love it. Let me tell y'all something. You come on Karamo's show, we going to find it all. We going to find all 4,396. Try me.

Her contact in your phone. It's the same picture she posted and she was like, "I love my boyfriend so much." In my head I was like, "Oh no, he's not messing with her.

There's no way." I love our audience. They be having the best reactions. So on top of the messages, we also have the accompanying photos that were in the phone. Nothing to say? What am I supposed to say? Nothing to say. First, an apology.

I don't ever get an apology.

Accountability. Mm-hmm. You just told me that your words were that when you got together, you cheated. And you said it's because— See, this is where I was trying to see if maybe there could be growth on this stage. I'm showing him empathy right here. This is where I'm saying, okay, I'm not in a relationship with you, so maybe like there could be a reason that you've been like this. Let's see. There was things I had available options to me and I hadn't grown as a man. Those are your words. So in the 5 to 6 years you've been together, you've continued the behavior. And as we know, as of 2 days, you're still continuing behavior. So from your own statements, you still haven't grown as a man. I guess you could say that, bro. But no, he's still gonna try to gaslight, manipulate. The reason that I'm being silent right now is because I understand some individuals like yourself And here go the chaos.

What you mean individuals like myself? There is nobody on this planet Earth like me.

Let me tell y'all something. Let me show you. This is what y'all do. When somebody say something to y'all, you just keep repeating the same thing. What you talking about, guy? So what I know about individuals like yourself is that you thrive in chaos. Thrive in chaos? So the more that you stay quiet and just keep going, you can get other people to match your life.

You don't even, bro, you don't even know nothing about me. I don't even deal with chaos.

As he's being chaotic, I don't deal with chaos. Girl, bye.

I am the furthest person to deal with, come on now.

So individuals like yourself who thrive in chaos and use language that is aggressive or telling stories in circles, it's how you find yourself out of situations where people no longer are focusing on your behavior, but yet are trying to figure out how to calm you down, how to help you, how to solve this. Solve things. I'm trying to teach y'all at home. Listen, y'all come to Karamo Show for the mess, but baby, y'all gonna get a lesson, okay? I hope y'all are learning, okay? We not over here talking just to not do nothing. We here talking to grow. It's manipulative, it's destructive, it's not healthy. And there is a way because you're only 26. Mm-hmm. There is time for you to grow out of this. And I actually do have empathy for you because I don't know your backstory, but I do know that there is something that has led you to this place. Still trying to model some empathy for him, but he's still being ignorant. And there is some type of love or support that you did not receive that is making you feel like this is what you have to get. But that is not one else's job to help you grow through that. That is your own job to grow through that. I'm gonna ask you, Ariana, because this is gonna be the first step for you to reclaim some of your power. Would you like Rayvon to sit on this stage? Or do you like him to leave? See, the reason that he's quiet right now is because I am displaying calm. He knows that his chaos can't move me. It can't affect me. And so what happens is it makes him get quiet. I need him to be respectful to you. Oh, I'm done. So I'm asking you, do you want him on this stage after the things you have just found? And see, now he needs to throw a fit. He needs to throw a fit because he wants attention. He wants chaos. Get my bags and get me the fuck out of here. So instead of walking off and doing some self-reflection, he wants to get my bags, let me out of here. Don't worry about that. You don't worry about that. That has been a manipulation tactic that he has used your entire relationship. You know, I know everybody in the comments be like, she went back to him. I have faith that maybe she has she's gotten stronger. I actually do have faith in this young woman. Like, I saw in her eyes she was exhausted, she's tired, and, you know, she needs to work on her self-esteem, yes, but I do have faith that she's gonna leave this man because she doesn't deserve chaos. And sometimes you got to give yourself a mantra, and the mantra is, you know, like, when somebody in your life is always doing that stuff to keep you up, arguing, keeping you wrapped up in— they like the chaos. And so you got to be the one to say, I don't like it. I don't want the chaos. And the minute that you can start to— anything in life that you want is first intention, then it's action, and then it's repetition. And so— and then it becomes who you are. And that's how that works, in case you're wondering. So the intention is, I don't want chaos in my life anymore. The action is now saying, when someone says it, say no. No action. You repeat that over and over again, that becomes your habit, and that habit becomes who you are. I'm trying to teach y'all. That's how you become better. In life. When you go back there, he's gonna do exactly what he's been doing. And when he does things to defend, to deflect, to gaslight, to manipulate, I want you to say, "I don't deserve chaos." I don't deserve chaos. If he says, "You know what? That girl, no, no, she did this. That girl, no, I didn't do that.

Oh my gosh, I didn't do this." What is your response? I don't deserve chaos.

Ooh, say it, girl. I believe in her, hopefully. Thank you. All right, everyone at home, stay with us, friends. We'll be right back with more. America, what is your response? What is your response? Your response is do not, do not, do not engage. People who wanna see you in chaos, don't wanna see you happy, are gonna keep you in circles. Don't engage no more. I wish her the best of luck and I hope that he can see this reflect and start to grow. Mm, I love our little show. We messy, but it's fun.