In this segment of the Karamo show, Karamo learns that the husband, identified as Heywood (also called Jamal), has locked himself in a bathroom and refuses to appear on stage. The pregnant wife (Speaker B) expresses hopelessness about his unwillingness to communicate, noting a recurring pattern where he becomes difficult whenever things don’t go his way. Karamo repeatedly asks the wife if she wants to salvage the relationship, explaining that his willingness to intervene depends on her desire to fix things. He then approaches the bathroom, confronting Heywood/Jamal, urging him to come out and discuss the relationship for the sake of their children and the upcoming baby. Throughout, Karamo highlights the unhealthy communication dynamics, the large blended family (six children together, ten total, with an eleventh on the way), and the emotional toll on the wife. The segment showcases Karamo’s mediation style—direct, persistent, and focused on encouraging open dialogue to restore a healthy partnership.
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The thing is that Heywood, my producers are telling me right now, is refusing to come on stage right now. Okay. So he's flown here, but he is refusing to come on stage. Does that surprise you that he's acting that way?
No.
It doesn't surprise you?
Whenever things don't go his way, he's difficult.
Okay. So I'm gonna ask you one more time. You wanna salvage this relationship? Yes. Okay. Only reason I'm asking that is because If you did not wanna salvage this relationship, I would not get up and go on back here to try to get him. Okay. Because I do hear behaviors that are unhealthy. And so for me, when I start hearing those things, it dictates how I move and how I respond. But if you really want the communication to be better, I'll go back there and try to talk to him really quickly.
Please do.
Okay, I'll be right back. Mm-hmm. Give me a second. There you go. Thank you, thank you. Hey, it's Karamo. How you doing, Karamo? I'm good. So I'm hearing you have an issue coming out. Is everything okay? No, it's not good. Are you ready to come out and talk? My name's Jamal. You got the wrong person. My name's Jamal. Your name is Jamal? So Heywood, we know that it's you inside of there. I have a whole team out here that saw you walk inside of there. So I understand there's probably something going on with you. Is there a fear of why you don't wanna come out right now? Your wife would like to salvage your relationship and I'm here to try to help you to do that. But if you're staying in the bathroom, I cannot help you and support your relationship getting to where it needs to be. Do you want your relationship to be healthy? I'm gonna ask you one more time because I'm not gonna beg a grown man to come out the bathroom. Would you like to come out here and talk to me so that I can support you in getting back into a place with your wife where you're communicating, where you're healthy, where you can be there for your kid, where you can be there for your future child that's coming? Do you wanna come out? You've made your point, I'm done. Did you see what's going on backstage? How does it make you feel?
Hopeless.
Hopeless, yeah. Why does that make you feel hopeless?
Because we can't get anywhere if he's not willing to communicate. And this is constant. Whenever things do not go his way, this is what happens. Or either it's a bit, a big outburst.
Yeah. I can see the pattern of behavior without even meeting him. I've never seen him. I don't know what he looks like, but I can see his behaviors and it paints a very clear picture of who he is as a man. You have 6 children total?
I have 6. Together, he and I have 10 children and this is 11.
