Mom, Stop Denying He's My Dad! | KARAMO

So I first gotta know, did you call the show or who called the show wanting a DNA test?

My mother.

Your mother did?

Yeah.

Wow, okay. And why do you believe getting a DNA test is so important to your mom right now?

I think it's closure for her. Maybe something that she can just say is something that she can get outta the way. Also for me, you know, it's important for me.

How long did you live with your mom as a child?

I think until I was about 5-ish.

5 years old?

Yeah.

Okay, and what happened then?

I went to live with my dad.

Okay, okay. And when did you begin living with Kevin and why?

I was, I believe I was 5 years old and we just went to live with my dad because my mom was, she had somewhere to go. My grandma and my aunt took us there and then we stayed with my dad forever.

Got it. And so you were hearing rumors as a child that he wasn't your father?

Yeah, when I, yeah, I turned about 11 and I was informed that my dad could be somebody else by my mom. And I'd been living with my dad the whole time and I'd been knowing him as my dad my whole life. So I didn't really know anything different.

Oh, sweet.

Yeah.

How did that make you feel in the moment?

I didn't believe her.

Yeah.

I didn't believe it at the moment. And my dad never said anything that he agreed with it. He never said that that's true. He just kind of said, let that be, that's nothing to worry about. And so we kind of just took it as that for a while. But it became really prominent as I grew older, my mom kind of just saying things like that and others.

She's saying stuff.

So is your mom, does your mom have some idea of somebody else who could be your father then if she's saying Kevin is not? Yes, she does.

Who?

His name's Caesar.

Caesar?

He's passed on now, but it's been something that's been prominent in her mind forever. I guess she's even saying now that she's sure that he is my dad or my real biological father.

Did your mom introduce you to this other man named Caesar?

She did.

And what was that like?

Awkward. I didn't really connect with him and she kind of said that it was because I was a brat that he wouldn't claim me.

So.

Wow. Okay. And does your mother talk to you like that often?

When she gets, when things get brought up, yes.

Yeah, when things get brought up about like—

When things come to a heated situation, she doesn't, we have a really good relationship as far as we're close, we talk. But yeah, when things get heated and questions come out, it just kind of turns into more of an aggressive type of, it's your fault anyway type thing.

Got it. So how did you get along with Kevin, the man you were raised with growing up?

That's my dad.

That's your dad. It was sweet. Good relationship.

My dad, yes.

Yeah.

I stayed in his room, like, that's my dad.

Yeah, yeah. Oh, that's sweet. And how does it make him feel knowing that?

He doesn't really say anything other than, "That's not a thing." Yeah. He never, like, ever, so.

He does, he's not competitive at all?

No.

Yeah. What's making you emotional right now?

Just that. It's, I'm lucky and that's all.

Yeah. And I know you said you stopped living with your mom at 5 years old. So take me back. What was your relationship with your mom growing up?

She didn't really come. I mean, she came when she wanted to. She was there, she was there for me. She became more of a friend, a really close friend. As I got older, she helped me with my youngest daughter and we've been close. We know each other really well, you know, we can forgive each other for things. We just, she's not really been like a mom, mom.

Yeah, it's very interesting when people says that their parent is like a friend.

Yeah.

Yeah, so it's 'cause she didn't raise you basically.

Yeah.

And my producers told me right before I came out that you just recently lost your brother.

Yes.

I'm so sorry about that.

Yeah, thank you.

His name was Dylan?

Yeah, Dylan.

Okay.

We have the same mom and dad. I mean, if my dad is my dad, then we have the same mom and dad. But then that's kind of a weird thing too 'cause like we were super close, you know?

How has losing your brother affected your mother?

It's outrageous. She has this weird feeling that somehow my brother was killed and it has something to do with my dad because he was shot in our backyard by an officer. He was having a mental health issue and a super unfortunate situation there. And my mom somehow harbors this anger and that's one thing that she's been adamant about this test for just so she can say that she has no ties to my dad any longer. Because with Dylan being gone and him not being my biological father, that will cut her ties with him and she won't have to deal with him any longer.

How does your mom Sybil get along with Kevin today?

My dad's so cool. He just kind of forgives everything and he just lets her come back around every time, you know, like every time.

Yeah, he sounds like a really amazing man.

He is, he's my favorite guy ever.

Sweet, I appreciate that.

I'm emotional, excuse me.

It makes sense, it makes complete sense. I mean, you're dealing with a lot right now, the loss of your brother, but also this information that has been haunting you for almost 31 years because if your mom told you this at like 5, Yeah, I mean, it's just been haunting me for a long time, just kind of things that get said, you know, like just in ways. Well everyone, it's now time to meet Sybil. So everyone please welcome Lacey's mom Sybil to the show.

All right. You're here, Lacey. You're here today because Kevin is not your father and I told you always that he's not. Okay, you, he's not been good any of it. Everything is, it's just all not right. And I'm sorry, but you were molested, OK, and then living with him, OK? Both you and your brother, both were. He didn't protect you. I'm trying right now. I want— because I want closure to this. I want everybody to know he is not your father. And he doesn't deserve to be saying that he is.

I don't like the way that you're acting. I don't think it even looks appealing or at all right. I don't feel like you understand the point of what you've done here and how come— and why does my dad have to be—

Sybil, I'm a bit confused, though, because I'm trying to track this. This and make sense of this. If you thought that he wasn't that great of a guy, I've heard you say things like he didn't protect you, you felt like he wasn't a good dad, then why would you leave your children in his care?

You know, you're 100% right. And I 100% because I wasn't staying there because it wasn't good for me either. And so, and that's right. So why would I put my children there? To this day, I regretted the whole thing. Okay. I did things because I thought it would be better for them. 'Cause I was doing drugs, I was doing things that weren't right and I thought he could take care of 'em better. But I'm not the bad guy here. I've been painted out to be everything wrong and I'm the one who supports everything. I mean, I just want her, I want the closure I want is because I'm the one who went.

So I'm gonna ask you a question 'cause you brought this up several times now and your daughter hasn't. So if you feel uncomfortable with me talking about this, please let me know and I'll stop this line of questioning. But when you found out your daughter was molested, you talk about Kevin's actions. What were your actions?

I didn't find out till 5 years ago.

Okay.

Nobody did.

Okay. And so 5 years ago, so it sounds like Kevin didn't know either. You didn't know.

So I don't know where this comes from with you, but it's a lot different than the way that it's portrayed. And it's not something that my dad could have done anything about. I just need you to stop.

I need you to stop. I need you to understand.

So, okay, so, but at the end of the day, I think when we're talking about that molestation, I think we have to, you have to think about the fact that if he didn't know and you didn't know, it's more so about how are you supporting her now?

You have to stop this type of stuff.

Okay, me.

So who do you believe is Lacey's real father and where is he today?

He's passed away.

So, okay, you do believe it's Caesar, who she said?

I took her there. I said, the whole thing's been said from the gate. I've never lied about anything. It wasn't anything trying to put anything. It wasn't about the gather the money.

But the comments that I've gotten from her was that he didn't want to claim you because you're such a brat.

You're such a bad kid that he couldn't give you more of his money. Because you're just like Kevin.

Well, that's my dad.

Just like Kevin, got it.

That's my dad.

He's not your dad. He is not your dad. It's time for you to realize that and do something differently. I need—

I just got one more question.

From your opinion, where do you think this animosity towards Kevin has come from? Because you have a lot of animosity towards him.

I do, I do, because I was pushed out of everything, and all because the woman he was with didn't want me around the picture, and she was jealous of me, which is— Kevin promoted that. He made it to where it's hostility all the way, because he could have made things easy. He could have made things to where there wasn't that.

She could have still had a fun time.

I know your son.

We needed you.

We needed you.

I gotta tell you this. So I'm very sorry about your son passing. I can only imagine the grief you're experiencing.

And that's where, because I want nothing more to do with him. And if this, this is just to show you that he's not your father because I'm washing my hands of him.

So this is why this is so important.

This is, this, yes.

Because you're trying to—

Because I don't want any ties. I don't even want nothing to do with him at all.

What I'm gonna tell you, I want to hear what Kevin has to say about this. So everyone, let's please welcome Kevin to the show. Do you believe, Kevin, that Lacey she may not be your child, or do you believe she is?

I believe there's a possibility she's mine.

Because of the seeds of doubt she herself—

Yeah, so it didn't matter. No matter what, she's mine.

Did you hear earlier, 'cause I just wanna backtrack a little bit, when you were talking about being younger, did you hear that he gave you credit, then said that you were actually doing well when you were there?

Yeah, yeah, 'cause yeah, but she doesn't see that.

Okay.

No, she did the first couple of years we were married.

Yeah, I just wanna make sure, 'cause he gave you credit for that, but your issue is that you feel like she doesn't give you credit.

She doesn't give me credit for nothing. She's worried about everything about the whole time we're doing anything.

I don't think that's appropriate to say. I give you credit for tons of things.

What do you give me credit for? For being the what?

I still try to contact you. I still try to see you.

The one who was promiscuous and who was with somebody else, who cheated on him.

I don't like the fact that you always consistently try to make this guy who didn't give a dang about me be the dad that's my dad when my dad's been my dad.

But he's not your dad, Lacey.

Kevin, did you try to get the kids away?

Not at first. She'd make arrangements. I'm going to come and get the kids, so we'd get the kids. Get the kids ready, and I'd have them on the front porch, and they'd be out there for about an hour.

Oh, really? And they'd be waiting, and then it'd be 2 hours.

So now let's— to let my kids sit there and wait for me knowing full well they're not going to let me take them. And they know I'm not coming because they're not letting me come. And they're going to let me sit there and wait.

We would call you and say, Mom, where are you? About 15 blocks away. I'm about 15 blocks away. How many blocks does that make, Mom? How many miles does that make? Oh, about maybe 45 more minutes.

These are kids that are 5 and 7.

I'm 126 blocks away.

Walks away.

You told me I couldn't pick this up, and you told me I could not pick them up. You're going to let them wait there? You're going to let them wait there so that there are things in their issues in life is that I wasn't there, I didn't come, and that's all you do.

After your kids are waiting outside for 2 hours, could I come in?

Could I come in?

Not after 2 hours, you couldn't have.

Exactly, but you didn't stop them from waiting, Kevin.

You could have been the man there and said, would we ever stop waiting for our mom?

Because he wasn't letting me come. He wasn't letting me.

How would you feel today say, to get back to this, if Lacey was not your child? Would you still be in her life?

She should probably come and live with me. Yeah, yeah, she's always going to be in my life.

All right, well, listen, I think this is the moment now that we've all been waiting for— the DNA outcome. Um, Lacey, you have been waiting your entire life for this truth. Your parents have both said they've had doubt. And it's caused you to have doubt. And I know for you, this is important for you more than anyone else to get the answers. So this is your truth to open.

Kevin is Lacey's biological father.

How does that make you feel?

Good.

Good.

It's validating.

Validating. And I was the cheat, right? I was the one who ran off and cheated, right? 'Cause I was what?

Ironically, it sounds so weird to have the argument here because she's the only one who brought up the fact that he wasn't my dad. So you make it like you're the cheat.

Can I ask you a moment? Why right now can't you take a moment just to celebrate that there's answers, that your daughter has answers? Because as we all know, we just wanna make sure we know who our parents are. Any person, that if there's ever that question, you just wanna know that these are the people I came from. This is my family. That's just a human instinct. And she just got that. And so I understand there's parts of your past that you feel like you don't get acknowledgement for. You have to be able to let that go. And right now, just celebrating the fact that your daughter got answers is the best thing you can do to take a step forward to let her know, listen, I wanna build something with you.

But I don't wanna build it on the pretense of the way he builds things.

You don't have to. I'm telling you to celebrate your daughter. This has nothing to do with Kevin. I'm asking you to celebrate your daughter having clarity. That's it. That's it.

Thank you.

Thank you. Because when that happened, she didn't say, "Mom, boom." She didn't start attacking you. She just was happy. That's all she was. She said, "Oh my gosh, thank you.

I got answers." Well, I'm glad for the answer too, but it's not the one I wanted.

But it's—

But it's an answer.

But it's the answer you need.

What would make you feel good about the other answer coming when I don't have another person That guy's not alive.

Because it's not about that. You have your dad the whole time. And that's my dad. Again, again, it's all, I'm the bad one all the time.

I'm the bad one. I'm gonna tell you this. Sybil, you are living in a narrative that you have been telling yourself over and over again. They're not saying this narrative. You're the one telling yourself that you're the bad guy. And I think part of that is because there's extreme guilt. I heard it from when you were talking about earlier when they were sitting on the porch and you were late. All of everything you were expressing was guilt that you weren't there. You have to release that guilt. Your daughter, despite what happened in her past, grew up to be a loving young woman that's here. And even before you came out here, said she loved you. She literally said good things about you. I'm actually, to be very honest with you, was surprised by this dynamic because when she sat down and I said, what was your relationship like with your mother? She said, oh, she's my friend. I love her. She was great. She helped me take care of my daughter. She wasn't saying bad things. So this narrative you have in your mind is based on the guilt that you have. But then there's this other part where you feel like, now that I've done a little growth, I want acknowledgement. And guilt with wanting and desiring acknowledgement are a deadly combination. Because what's happening is keeping you in this space of feeling like no one wants me, I'm not good enough, everyone thinks I'm bad. You're right. But no one thinks you're bad. Okay. No one thinks you're bad. I did know your son and God rest his soul. I don't think that he thought you were a horrible mother.

No, he didn't.

He loved her.

So look, so you're hearing it. Even with the things that happened in the past, you can release that guilt. Your son loves you.

She loves her too.

Your daughter loves you.

They love her.

Everyone loves you.

I love you.

I love you too.

I love you very much.

Thank you.

It's a problem.

You've been fighting your entire life. You've been fighting and it's time to let go of the fight. They understand you grew, they understand you had a past, but you can start today.

I'm sorry, Lacey.

Thank you. It's okay.

And Kevin, I'm sorry. Thank you.

It's okay.

That's all right. Thank you.

I hope you received that and I'm glad you got answers. Thank you. Congratulations on becoming a mom. Becoming a family. You took the first step today, all of y'all.

All right, thank you so much.

You're welcome, you're welcome, my friend. Do you love The Karamo Show?

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