Most Shocking "Unlock The Phone" Moments from Season 1 | KARAMO

That picture is old.

I don't know how he, he couldn't, he do, 'cause I don't know how he found that.

I don't know where that picture is from.

I don't know how he found that. So Aaliyah, besides you being fly, tell me about your relationship.

Okay, so me and De'Jawn have been together for 4, almost 5 years now.

Okay.

We do social media together. I obviously love him. So much, he's so fine.

Oh, y'all a beautiful couple.

Thank you so much.

Yeah.

And we recently moved to Houston. Oh no, I just noticed a change in him when we moved to Houston.

How did you find out that Daijon was cheating on you?

My friend is a bottle girl at like clubs and stuff in Houston. My friend sent me this stripper page on Instagram and was like, I think like your man is at the strip club. And like I see him in the background I asked him, where you at? He's like, the club. So I was like, send me a picture of the club. And he wouldn't do it.

Y'all men ain't learned yet? When the girl call you, she already know what's up.

So he wouldn't do it, yeah. I don't know how, I don't get it. I don't get it.

I just don't get it.

They're dumb. So I waited till he got home. I'm like asking him, so where were you? And I smell alcohol on his breath. Like I know he was there for sure and he's drunk. And he's trying to love on me, hug me, kiss me like, "Oh, I miss you, I miss you." Like, bro.

Mm, okay.

Don't play with me. So I was like, "Bro, so just tell me you were there, blah, blah." And he was like, "I was there, but I only went because my friends wanted to go and I didn't wanna be the only one to say no." So at this moment now, when you learned about this, what did you learn about his strip club habits? So he has his own card and I have my own card and we have a joint account. At first he was using his card, but then he was starting to use our joint account. And I'm like, bro, we use that account to like save. I'm like, he's being that disrespectful that he's about to go into our account and throw my money on these bitches?

Yes.

On their ass.

'Cause that's your money that he's using.

Right, right, right, right. And like I even told him so many times, if you really wanna go, we could go together. But you going out and doing that on your own, like I don't like that, I hate that. 'cause I don't wanna be with a boy that's addicted to the strip club or something like that. Like, that's really weird to me.

So what happened when you confronted Daijon?

He realized that I knew and I told him, honestly, I'm not about to deal with this like any much longer. So you can either stop or like respect my wishes or we're done.

So you put him on relationship probation? What is that?

Yeah, I told him he can't go out. I want his location, which I still haven't, got and like I wanna be able to just go through his phone whenever I want to and stuff like that. We're still working on the location though.

[Speaker] Okay, so the probation is almost up and that's why you want me to unlock his phone?

[Speaker] Exactly. I at least like want him to start sharing his location with me so I have nothing to worry about. He claims he's always like at the gym and stuff, which he is an athlete, so I believe it. But I'm like, there's times where I'm like, bro, no you're not.

[Speaker] Yeah. Jay'Jahn says he stopped going to the strip clubs. Do you believe him?

I haven't gotten over it completely. So really I don't believe a lot of things that he's telling me.

So why did you forgive him?

Because I love him. And I just feel like he can change, you know?

Yeah.

But I also told him like, I don't want my love to blind me from what I deserve and like—

Well, good for you. Come on through, yes.

So hopefully, I just want him to change so we just can like get back to what it was or even better.

So for me unlocking his phone, you want location?

Well, mostly, yeah, because then I'll know where he is and I know like exactly where he is.

That's an easy ask. I mean, 'cause I mean—

Exactly.

That's a very easy ask.

And he'd be like, don't be with someone if you don't trust them. I'm like, okay, well I did trust you, but you ruined it.

Give me reasons.

Exactly.

Listen, locations and just the phone and the DM, we can go through that stuff really quickly. That's a simple thing for us. And the fact that your main thing is really just locations, that's even simpler. So, okay, this should be easy then. All right, listen, Aaliyah put her man Dejohn in relationship probation and his time is almost up. So let's meet Dejohn right now. Dejohn, nice to meet you.

What's up, what's up, what's up?

You look smooth as well. Thank you, thank you. Okay, so Dejohn, your lady here put you on relationship probation.

Right, and I'm a grown man, so I do want to tell everybody like, that's childish. Like I've been with you for 3 years, you're trying to—

Dejohn, how did you get busted in the first place? First of all, her friend, she doesn't like me, okay? So I was at the strip club, yeah, I admit it. And she basically told Aaliyah that she seen me on some video and I was basically in the video at the strip club. So she called me and was like, "Where are you at?" And I like, yeah, I did lie. So I mean, not to state the obvious, but why you like going to the strip clubs?

I like seeing thick girls, honestly. I like seeing ass.

I didn't wanna state the obvious. We know where you going.

Yeah. Okay, if you really wanna be with someone with a fat ass, go be with them. Like if you really wanna be with one of those strippers, go be with one of the strippers. I mean like I could pull.

So how much did you really spend at the strip club, do you think? Probably like $500 a night. Each? Yeah. $500 a night? Yeah.

Got it. Adding it up, it's more than that, but.

So what have you been doing since you've been in relationship probation to show I wanna make this work?

Honestly, I have been trying my best. I have like, I've been like when she FaceTimes me, I show her. Like I tell her where I'm going.

I stopped going to like the strip club.

I'll be at the gym for real. And like I'll try to—

She doesn't know that.

Yeah, she doesn't know.

But like that's what, I guess that comes with trust and everything.

And that's why I want his location. Like I wanna just be able to see it and I don't want to have to be able, I don't wanna have to call him and be like, show me this, show me that. Like I really want to see 'cause you've been—

So have you given her your location?

No.

Okay, but that's the one thing she asked for because the other things you stated, first of all, like picking up FaceTime, those are bare minimums. You should just be doing that anyway in a relationship.

Exactly.

So the one request she had to say that she could rebuild the trust was you giving her location. So why haven't you given it?

I just don't want to feel like I'm being followed or stalked.

I don't really like that. Dejohn, Aaliyah doesn't trust you. How does that make you feel?

I don't like it, honestly. I feel like our relationship's been going downhill and like she's never really trusted me.

Do you think you can be trusted?

Yeah.

Okay. What do you want Aaliyah to know?

The thing about it is like everybody like doesn't know.

Like I do sound like the bad guy, but I've asked, for wishes too. Just like Aaliyah asked me to stop going to the strip club, I asked her to stop watching. Are you about to start deflecting? Hold on.

What do you mean?

Are you about to start deflecting? Sorry, I catch red flags really quickly. This is why you don't be in a relationship with me or don't be, listen. Are you about to start telling me that we're here talking about you being at strip club, you not respecting her boundaries, you breaking the trust, and you about to tell me that you said, well, I asked her to do this and she didn't do this? Yeah. That's called deflecting. The focus is on you.

I guess. We're not gonna deflect.

Listen, I see what you're saying, but like there's both sides.

There's double standards, right?

Not when trust has been broken by you. There's not both sides of this story. The fact of the matter is that you broke trust. I'm gonna ask you one quick question. Has she broken your trust, point blank? Yeah. How has she broken your trust? Did she cheat on you?

She hasn't cheated on me, no.

So then how did she break your trust?

She broke my trust when it comes to watching porn.

So that's what she does.

It's porn. Listen, listen. Okay, let me say something because hold on. Let me get to finish.

Why, you broke my trust, okay? All right, go, go.

So I don't want her watching porn and masturbating to other people every day. I don't want her doing that and I don't like it.

So let me go back to what I was talking about deflecting. So you're okay with you going to a strip club and having the audacity to say to me, I want women who are thick, I want this. This when you know you're going there to be sexually aroused, but you have a problem with a woman saying, I'm gonna be in the comfort of my home looking at a video? No, no, no, no, listen, I'm not saying that's why I'm going to the strip club or that's why you're going, but I'm saying you're trying to say that she can't do one thing when you're doing the exact opposite.

Let me say something. You are physically going somewhere, taking the time out of your day to go throw money on these bitches When I'm at home, doing what? Like, what, watching porn? Like porn is not a video.

So I gotta question for you. Do you watch porn?

No.

You a liar.

He's lying.

You a liar. I'm not falling for that. You a liar. You a liar. I know you watch porn.

Listen, I don't watch porn.

I don't. Well, guess what? I'm gonna unlock your phone. I'll look for porn. Hey, John, is there anything that you wanna say to your lady? No. Okay, are you ready for this?

Yeah.

All right. So when it came to texts, apps, and GPS, we found nothing because DeJohn refused to let me unlock his phone.

Why? Why? Because first of all, listen, listen, that's personal. That's personal.

I feel like my texts and apps, that's personal.

Well, if there's nothing in there, why would you not show 'em?

So I'm gonna do this again for you 'cause I'm going to give you a shot to be the man that this woman believes that you can be. Your phone is right here. Would you like to give me your phone in my hand and I will check your locations? I am a Houston native, born and raised. And trust me, I've been to every single one of them clubs you've been to. So would you like to gimme your phone to allow me to check your phone for locations only? Since you're worried about me going through your photos? Go ahead. All right, can you unlock your phone? Great. Can we get the photos as well? Wait, what? Photos as well?

No.

So what is it in your photos that you're worried about that I'll find?

There's stuff of me and her.

We're not looking for that type of stuff.

And other stuff, I'm not even sure actually.

So I'm not gonna— Other stuff. Say what?

No, nothing. I don't know, actually.

So was there a time in your life that you were doing something that could still be on your phone?

No, not necessarily. It's because I never know what I might, like, I don't know, talk about, screenshot. Like, I've been having my phone for years, so I just don't know. Not trying to say, not to make it I'm guilty, I just don't know. Why is it so hard for you to just share your location?

Like, what is it?

I don't know, I'm just, I don't know.

You're so scared. You realize you broke the trust. It's only gonna get worse.

Well, yeah, but I trust you.

And you're gonna lose a real one. Because I think you've gotten used to the fact of how beautiful, how intelligent, and how giving this woman is, and how understanding this woman is. I promise you, you are underappreciating what you have in front of you right now. And all you're doing is pushing the greatest thing away from you.

The truth is, like, I have been at the strip club. And that's why I'm not showing my location.

So I told you. So she did say no.

See, like, the thing about it is like, I'm not even surprised now. Yeah. Because like he's disappointed me so many times. Like, duh, that's why. We all know why he wasn't showing.

So what's your tipping point?

It's either gonna stop or I'm done. But it's like I already said that. So really the only thing that can save this relationship or even begin to like, you know, get me to trust you is share your location or we're done because like I can't.

So if he shares the location and you see he's going, what are you gonna do the first time he goes?

Break up with him.

Is that what it is?

Like, there's no question about it.

There's no question. She's setting a clear boundary that you can't go. Do you think you can actually respect that boundary? Mm. That mm told me all you needed to know.

Yes.

So he's letting you know that he ain't gonna be able to respect that boundary. Let me, here, let me go for this. Let me come. All right, this is your phone. I'm not gonna go through it because you admitted for the location, but do you wanna turn on the location for her right now so she can share your location? Let me just let you know something right now. He's a red flag. That right there, you know that's a red flag, right?

Like you're just embarrassing yourself. Why would you?

Say it again for him, sister.

You're embarrassing yourself.

You are.

You're being embarrassed. I did it though, I shared my location.

But you do understand that you're embarrassing yourself. I just wanted to put in my password. So this is what I'm gonna say to you. You've seen these immature behaviors that's shown you red flags is that you were establishing a future together with a joint account. Those type of things at your age now, you can't stop saying to yourself like, well, I can just let that slide. You can't let those things slide. So you gotta say to yourself right now, yes, we had a dream, but sometimes dreams get deferred. Listen, I'm not trying to break y'all up. What I'm saying to you, you've set a boundary. He goes to the strip club once, you leave. But as you're setting that boundary, you need to be thinking about your future. I know this was your young love and I know you were like, we gonna move to Texas, we gonna take over this world. Let me tell you something, you are strong enough, you are smart enough as a young woman that you can. Figure out how to do this on your own. You can find someone who's gonna love you, who's not gonna be immature. And I'm not telling you right now, I promise you, I'm not telling you to break up. I want to give you a shot to show her that you can be the man she wants you to be. But you got a lot of unhealthy behaviors that are not okay. First of all, stop deflecting. You know you're doing wrong. Don't come over here and try to deflect on her when you know she not doing wrong. Don't ever dip into y'all money again. If your money is out, that means you don't go to the strip club. You need to figure out what's going on with your own life. And if you're mature enough to have a relationship where you can be vulnerable and openly communicate with somebody. 'Cause right now you showing me you don't got that, all right?

Yeah.

You got that? I got you.

And Aaliyah, like, I just wanna tell you, like, I do love you and you know what it is, so.

She don't know what it is.

Well, you don't know what it is, but I'm gonna get to that point.

'Cause none of us know what it is.

I'm gonna get to that point where we can be like this again and we can be happy.

Give him the shot. He did what you asked for finally. But listen, don't be here waiting forever.

No, for sure.

Don't wait forever because time is valuable, it's precious. It's the only thing that we can't get back. So know that you can get the love you deserve if he's not mature enough to handle it. You got that? You are fly enough on your own. You can make it happen. Hi, love.

Hello.

Are you having some hesitation?

I didn't wanna go out there. Why?

A little nervous? Hold on.

I feel awkward that he signed us up for this anyway, so.

Yeah? Can I tell you that my producers told me that you really are a little nervous because y'all didn't get a chance to talk about this at home. And you want to really make sure this is a safe place for you to feel like you can talk about it, that you walk away getting answers, and that you know you're not alone. Trust me, we're gonna make sure this is handled with care. Okay. You feel comfortable with that?

Mm, I guess so.

A little bit? Can I have a hug? I know it's a little uncomfortable with all the lights and everything else. But you okay? Mm-hmm. You wanna come on out? All right, come on out. There we go. Give it up for her. So I just wanna let y'all know, so Raven, everyone, is just a little uncomfortable because she hasn't even had a chance to talk about this at home before her partner called her to come to a national TV show. So she's sort of like feeling nervous, but as I told you, my show, we are here to truly help you. So Raven, I want you to tell me about your relationship with Tony.

We met for a reason, but I feel like we met at the wrong time.

Why do you think you met at the wrong time?

'Cause I feel like he was ready, but I wasn't quite ready.

But you've now, since you met, it's been how many years?

Almost 3 years.

3 years together. And do you love him?

Mm-hmm.

Tell me why you love him.

I never really met anybody like Tony or love me that much, so.

Yeah.

I can't really explain it. It's just a feeling.

No, I get it. It's okay. So tell me something. How does it feel to know that your children have gotten close?

It makes me happy and sad because they're separated now.

'Cause he said he was going to be gone for 3 weeks and it's been 3 months.

Yes.

Yeah, what does that make you feel like?

I feel abandoned, to be honest. I feel like I wish we never met.

Oh, so why did he leave?

Because in the beginning of a relationship, I was talking to guys. I didn't know how to accept that type of love, you know what I'm saying?

That makes sense, I get it.

I feel like we're much better and he's just not seeing that. So I feel like we could be together or just not. I don't want to keep going back and forth anymore.

Yeah, does he go through your phone? He goes through, how often does he go through your phone?

A lot.

And all the time that he went into your phone, has he ever found anything?

Oh yeah, just found me talking to guys, but like it just was months ago and he was talking to females as well, so.

So you figured it out and you both stopped talking to each other. Tell me what that conversation was like.

I mean, basically had like a, just a sit down talk and I feel like he was just running away like for, you know, I can't admit I didn't always have the best attitude, but. I feel like we were just getting to know each other. It just happened all so quick.

Why does he think you're cheating?

It may be due to his past relationships.

Do you want a relationship with him?

Very much so. I don't want anybody else.

Got it. What do you think the real issue is of your relationship from your point of view?

I feel like just rebuilding trust on both parties. And honestly, I feel like it's gonna be very hard to just, well, for me, to jump right back into it just because of how he left.

Tony called the show asking for my help. Take a look. I noticed she was talking to her ex that she did have sexual relations with.

She takes him to our address. I thought that was disrespectful and I didn't like it.

So I calmly approached her and asked her what was going on. She insisted I was insecure and that she wasn't doing anything.

But I told her, what's the reason to even communicate with him? She just called me insecure.

So months later, another guy came.

We had a big argument about that. A fight broke out.

And I really love this girl. We got a family. She got a son.

I have a daughter. And I really wanted to marry her and start a family.

But turns out, I don't know if I want to do that anymore because she—

I think she's cheating.

Now, if she has sexual relations with these people, then it's done.

I don't want anything to do. I think we're better off just going our separate ways. I really wanna know these answers. It's bothering me inside. I'm hardly sleeping. Please unlock her phone.

Everyone, let's help me welcome Tommy to the show. How you doing, man? How you doing, sir? Yeah, good to meet you. Take a seat. So you two haven't seen each other in, And a while, I mean prior to you coming here, what was it like 3 weeks, 3 months? 3 months. Wow, okay. Because it sounded like you both had a little bit of trust issues. She admitted that she was talking to other guys. She said you were talking to some girls as well. So why would you just up and leave without saying anything? So back in June, I left in July. So back in June we got into a really, really bad altercation and I had, you know, hit the wall, I punched the wall and that's usually not like me. So I saw myself get outta character. I would never put my hands on her, So before anything, like anybody get hurt, I kind of, you know, just left, went back, separate myself, and I ain't want our babies to be in the mix of it. Got it. 3 weeks turned into 3 months. Yes. So why haven't you come back during that time? So I was going to my best friend's wedding. She's also friends with his wife, and we was planning on going there. Then I think a week after that is my family reunion. And you know, of course I want her to meet my family. And it was gonna be 3 weeks 'cause I ain't wanna go to Georgia, come back, then go all the way to Virginia. So I was like, She said that she feels abandoned by you. Did you abandon her? In a sense I did. Yeah. Have you talked to her about that? Because abandonment, especially mixed with trust issues, can cause a lot of problems in relationship. Have you ever acknowledged her feeling abandoned? Yes, sir. And what did you say? I told her, you know, first I apologize, I own up to it, no excuses for that. And I just, you know, had a conversation with her and just talked it over and see if we can see eye to eye on some things. Yeah, and when he said that to you, how did it make you feel?

I still felt the same way because I'm still here and he was still there. So I wanted us to be together.

Yeah, so the abandonment's still leading to trust issues.

I mean, yeah, he offered me, you know, to get my own apartment and stuff, but I didn't want the apartment, I wanted him, I wanted our family.

Makes sense. My producer said that you planted tracking devices or might have planted tracking devices? Yes, sir. Tell me about that. Yes, sir. So it was a situation, I went through her phone and she was entertaining other guys as well and she was going skating. So I wanted to see if she was actually going skating.

So I caught her first and I kept catching little things and I did the wrong thing and started talking to other females as well. You know, two wrongs don't make a right.

So that was my mistake on that. But before, I was in previous relationships, I was getting cheated on, and that didn't make me feel too well. Got it. And I never— So that's where the major trust issues come because— Yes, sir. Not only in this relationship, you had prior relationships you got cheated on. I've been through it 2 times prior.

Yeah, I talked to guys, I did a little self-sabotage, but I'm not actually, I would never have sex with somebody else when having sex with you.

Do you believe her when she says that?

No, he does not.

I don't know because I've been through it 2 times before.

I know what— But I'm not them. Yeah, you're right.

Yeah, you're right. I'm gonna ask you point blankly, have you had sex with anyone since y'all been together? No, sir. Okay then. And so you went through her phone yesterday? Not yesterday, no, sir. My producer said that you got screenshots from her phone yesterday that you sent to them. That's why I was asking if you went through her phone yesterday.

Oh no, those old screenshots.

I keep all my receipts. Got it, okay. What is your hope at the end of today?

I want her to see and understand me as well, respect me, and just stop entertaining guys.

Like even if you don't cheat on me, but just the respect level. I don't want you out there calling another man your boo or anything like that. It's supposed to be mutual respect. So are you planning on going back home or moving her back down to where you're at? Yes, sir. If everything goes well, she come back to where I'm from. Is that something you want? Do you wanna continue this or move?

Yes, but I do want an apology for the way he left because I don't think it was right.

Of course. So I wanna know, do you ever let her go through your phone? She can, but no, she—

I never go through his phone. I only went through his phone one time. That's when I found that.

So the thing is, I'm asking this question because if there's abandonment and trust issues and you've been gone for 3 months, would you allow us to unlock your phone as well today? Yes, sir. Great. Do you wanna say anything to each other before we unlock the phones?

I just wanna say whatever happens happens. I mean, everybody, people meet people for a reason. So it could be a lesson or a blessing.

Okay. Do you think this is gonna be a lesson or is this gonna be a blessing?

I feel like we've already been through our lesson when we've been separated for 3 months.

And you're ready for your blessing now? Mm-hmm. Okay. What about you, Tommy?

I'm just ready to see the results, you know?

All right, so it's time. Tony, you want to know if she was speaking to any men, having any conversations at all, talking to anyone, correct? Was there anything else you want to know? It was more so of the, you know, just sexual side, more so. Any sexual content?

Stepping out on the side, you know, type of deal.

Okay, great. Your phone, and there was something that I did flag that I thought was inappropriate, which was there was a time that you did say, "Hey boo." There was nothing with it. There was no more like, "Let's meet, let's talk." But I do think for you, you need to understand that you have to stop that now. If this is your man and this is the person you wanna be with, I know sometimes we do those like little endearing, "Hey boo, hey love, hey." Honey, whatever it is. But your man is telling you that it caused him to have trust issues. And so by engaging with other people and having those things, it's causing issues. And the question of is there was any sex, anything inappropriate, anything sexual, I'm really happy to report that we found nothing on your phone. There was nothing found. I feel great. 'Cause I see you getting a little emotional. Yes, sir, I am, I am. How do you feel, Raven, knowing that nothing was on your phone?

I feel good, but I already knew that.

All right, so now it's your turn. All right, all right. Tony, you ready for this? Yes, sir. Okay, so I asked you, do you wanna see if he was talking to anyone, if there was any sexual conversations? Is there anything else that you want to know? 'Cause we did a deep, deep dive during that time.

That was about it, like talking to females. And stuff like that.

Got it. Tony, how do you feel before I open this? I feel confident. I'm praying for you. Please, listen, 'cause I don't know the results yet, so we find this out together. Tony, please don't do this to us. You ready?

Yes, sir.

All right. Okay, Tony, we unlocked your phone. And thank the Lord Jesus.

And now to say your name.

Thank God. Thank God. Oh my gosh. Nothing was found on your phone? Nothing at all? They said they went through your DMs for the past, before y'all, while y'all were together, during the 3 months you were apart. They went through all your social media, your text messages. There hasn't been one inappropriate conversation with a female. How does that make you feel knowing that everything was clear?

It makes me feel good.

Like not one conversation. This man loves you and he wants to be with you. I think this is probably a healthy spot because I do believe y'all have trust issues from your past and some things that you need to work on. But I think this is a really healthy start where you both know you're going in clear. And I'm very passionate about family. I'm very passionate about her. And you got to take risks to get rewards. So I want to take this risk right now. And hopefully, I believe I will get a big reward. OK. So— Raven. Raven Shakira Nismith, will you be my wife?

Yeah! I love you, Karamo.

Take a look at this photo and let me ask you this question. Would you let this woman move in with you and your man?

No.

Well, my next guest, Sylvia, did just that. And now she's having big regrets. Sylvia, girl, come on out. Sylvia, what is up, love? How are you doing?

Good, how are you?

I'm good. Let me give you a quick hug. All right, girl, so you gotta give me the tea on who is this woman in this photo that has moved in with you and your man?

That's my cousin Santa. I mean, she's really beautiful, but she's very provocative.

Very provocative.

She dresses like that all the time.

The question is, does she walk around the house like that with your man?

Yes.

So this is how she's just around the house?

Yes.

Okay.

Yes.

See, that's the thing that gets me. Listen, I'm all about feeling empowered as a woman, empowered as a man. If you feel sexy, be you, but you also have to have boundaries and respect. And so for me it's like, so you brought them both here because you want me to unlock both of their phones?

Yes, I just want some answers.

What are the answers that you're hoping for?

I'm just trying to figure out if they're messing together or anything like that.

And you've asked them if they're messing around, right?

Yes, I asked both of them and it's never a consistent answer. They both have different answers. She says one thing and he says something else.

What does she say?

She says no, but she makes up a story behind the no.

Oh, so it's like an excuse?

Yes.

And then what does he say?

He says flat out no.

Okay then. So they're both saying no, but there's always something that's lingering underneath that makes you feel uncomfortable.

Yes.

I get it. So how long have you and your man been together?

Well, we've known each other and been like together for almost 10 years.

And how long have y'all been living together?

We've been living together for about a year.

A year that you've been living together. So you're a brand new relationship at the end of the day. And now you have this cousin who you love, who is beautiful, that could be interfering in your relationship.

Yeah.

And how does that make you feel?

Sad because I love my cousin and I love my boyfriend too. So it's just like, I don't know what to do.

What did you notice when your cousin Santa started moving?

She started to do like little things, like really sexualized in front of my boyfriend. Like she would wear little shorts or she'd be like bending over in front of him.

Why is it that you're suspicious? Is it because that you don't trust Santa or is that you don't trust Lauren?

I don't trust neither one of them, to be honest.

Okay, has there ever been any issues with Santa before in the past?

Yeah.

Why you don't trust her?

She slept with somebody who I also slept with. Like I was talking to them. Yeah, I was talking to this boy. So I found out that she slept with him.

So you were dating this guy and had also been sexual with him and then your cousin knew that.

Yeah.

And decided, were you and the guy in an open relationship?

No, we weren't like, Me and him, we still kind of were talking, but I didn't really wanna mess with him anymore. We was just hanging out. And then I had told her that, I expressed that to her, like I didn't wanna mess with him or anything like that. If she wanted him, she could have him. But she just kept telling me no, like she wasn't gonna mess with him or anything like that. And she actually just lied to me the whole time. I found the messages in her phone.

So there's the lying, there's, okay, so that makes more sense of the mistrust issues. So then if you know that she slept with somebody someone that you had just talked to, you know that she had lied to you about doing that. Why would you let her move in with you and your man?

Because, right? I don't know, I just, I love her. Like, she's like a sister to me, you know? She's like a sister to me and nobody else wanted her to live with them. She didn't have nowhere else to go.

Yeah. Backstage, Sylvia's cousin Santa has been listening to all of this. And she is here, so let's go ahead and bring her out. Santa, come on out. Hi.

Hello.

How are you doing?

I'm doing good.

You look cute.

Thank you.

You're welcome. Nice to meet you.

Nice to meet you as well.

So we wanna hear what you have to say about all of this because we saw the photo and it's easy for us to make a quick judgment about just because you're walking around the house, but then we're also hearing these stories. So why do you think your cousin is suspicious?

Maybe because at the end of the day, he's a cheater. Like he's done that to her. I know my fault is that in the past I've done what I did in the past, but I believe my actions has shown that I would never cross that line with you no more.

Do you think that you crossed a boundary in the house?

I don't feel as though that like I do sexual things in front of Lawrence. I don't. I don't.

Is that true?

I feel as though I don't. I believe she does.

You think she does?

I've never danced in front of him. You was dancing on the table yesterday, standing right in front of him. Dancing on the table? Just because you're not bent over twerking, you're standing there twerking your butt while he's right there. I wasn't dancing on the table. That's dancing. I had my phone in my hand. And you were shaking up like this. No, I wasn't. And your butt was against the table and you was shaking your butt. Definitely was not shaking my ass. I wasn't doing that though. I'm sitting behind, the table's behind me and I got my phone in my hand. I'm listening to music. Of course I'm gonna vibe out. I asked you in the room. I say, yo, you trying to dance a little bit? Cause like we had parties as well. And that made me uncomfortable as well. Why would I wanna just, my boyfriend is in the room. Why would I wanna dance with you in front of my boyfriend? Bro, is this like any type of dance that's sexual though? It's not. No. It's not. It's not. That's all.

How does it make you feel that she doesn't want you and Lawrence to be friends on Instagram?

I mean, I'm totally cool with it. I don't wanna be his friend either.

Got it. 'Cause you're saying since there's nothing going on, you're like, I don't need to be in, your cousin's most important.

Yeah, for sure. I don't wanna talk to Lawrence. What do I wanna talk to Lawrence for?

I don't wanna talk to Lawrence. So Santa, why does Sylvia feel like you cheated with Lawrence then? I get it, you danced in front of him. Maybe, maybe. I get it, but she said that you didn't, the social media, but there has to be something something else?

I mean, we were at Sesame Place one time and she told me, she pulled me to the side, we was about to get on a ride and she was like, oh, I seen him looking at you, I seen him touch your butt with his foot. I said, hey yo, I ain't even feel that, Jerome, I swear to God. Like at the end of the day, like I'm not here to hurt you, I'm not here to do nothing like that. I'm here to show my loyalty to you.

So he touched his foot on your butt and you said you didn't feel it, did you see it?

She seen that joint.

What did you see? Tell me.

I actually just said that because I just wanted to see what she was gonna say. It's cool. I'm gonna stay in my mind though.

So you actually didn't see it. You just wanted to see if you could catch them in something to see if like she's gonna say something.

Yeah.

All right. I asked Sylvia this question earlier and I'm gonna ask you again, Sylvia. What's online for you right now if I unlock their phones and you find it? Something?

My family.

Yeah.

Like, and my relationship with my cousin too. It's rocky right now, but I still love her. Like, I just wanna make sure like there's nothing going on.

Got it. All right, Sylvia's boyfriend Lawrence has been listening backstage and we need to hear his side of the story. So Lawrence, come on out. How you doing? So Lawrence, good to meet you. Good, nice to meet you too. So you cheated on Sylvia? Yeah, in the past. Uh-huh. And have you cheated on Sylvia with her cousin? I'm gonna ask you directly. Hell no. Yeah, you said that you cheated on her in the past. When was the last time you cheated on her? About a few months ago. Santa, is there something that you want to tell Sylvia about Lawrence?

Yeah, so one day I was like going through my story and I caught, How did I get you in my story? Oh, well, my girl be looking on her page sometimes. She got her blocked on my Instagram, so I don't know how that even came across. If it was, it was my girlfriend that did it.

Is there anything for you, because he cheated on you once before, from you said, is there anything that could break this relationship?

If they were sleeping around or if he has done something within the past, you know, since we officially like made things official, Right? It's been a couple months, like 4 months or 3 months.

So since 4 months, in the past 4 months, everything before 4 months is forgiven. But if there's anything within the past 4 months, that's where you're like—

That's where I'm like, that's it.

Okay, man. All right, listen, when we come back everyone, we are going to unlock their phones. We're gonna be starting off with you, Santa. When it came to your texts, we found zero texts. When it came to apps, We found that there was one suspicious thing in the apps. And when it came to DMs, we found 9 DMs that would be suspicious.

Okay.

Are you concerned about what we found?

Not at all.

We found things on the phone that could lead us to say something could be going on.

I know there's nothing on my phone that has anything to do with him.

When it came to text messages between you two, there was zero suspicious text messages. One of the big things is that there was one app that was found and this is a big one because your only ask was that they did not follow each other on social media. We found in this app that Lawrence and Santa are following each other on Instagram.

I'm not following him. Yo, I do not know what's going on right now.

What do you mean you don't know what's going on? They're following each other on social media. All right, so when it comes to the DMs, there's a private Instagram chat exchange between Santa Santa and Lawrence. So you're saying that we don't follow each other and now you gonna tell me that we didn't find this on June 22nd, 2022? What is this?

That was me.

That was you.

Yeah, I don't even have that in my phone.

That was you. So you're trying to get in there. So the following and all of this is from you. This is from you.

That was me.

Got it. So Santa, you're in the clear. You're in the clear.

I know I was.

That's messy on your part.

She knew.

She knew that was me.

I was writing him, he blocked me. No, he was fighting.

But what happens is that that's entrapment. You're trying to set up something and unfortunately you're using your cousin to do that.

I already knew it was her texting me, but she tried to play it off saying, why am I texting her cousin?

I get it. But see, the problem is that when you include yourself, it then starts to become messy. It sends the wrong messages and it's unfair to her. How do you feel? 'Cause you're in the clear now.

It's relief on my end. I knew I never did nothing. I knew I never said nothing.

All right, so there is nothing found between your cousin and your man, so you gotta stop accusing her. I need you two to swap spots and I need you close to me. All right, because now we got it clear with your cousin, but now we're talking about your man. When it came to your DMs, we found one thing that came up suspicious. When it came to the apps, we found one thing that came up suspicious. And when it came to photos, we found 378 photos that were suspicious.

Yo, that's not right. Yo, that's not right. 378? She know about those.

Okay, let's look at the DM right now. This is a number to a woman named Angel saying my number will pop up as this thing because you were trying to text with her and engage with her. Do you know about this?

No.

Okay then.

No, what is that?

And you see the timeline there?

What is that?

It says 22 hours ago.

Oh.

What are your thoughts? That's old, though.

No, it says 22 hours.

I don't know who that is.

I don't know.

All right, when it comes to apps, we found one suspicious app on the phone, which was Lawrence, you installed Tinder and you are an active account user.

I don't want Tinder.

You installed Tinder in May. The last time it was accessed was on October 14th.

That's what I'm saying.

I don't know what that is. So does it mean? I don't know how to turn on my phone. But it says you accessed it in October.

I know.

We give dates. Why you smiling?

'Cause I see that. I don't—

Okay, so like literally he's gonna try to charm you and gaslight you right now. Santa, talk to your cousin here 'cause she was accusing you and now she's seeing the proof and she's still saying, uh-oh, I don't know nothing.

But at the end of the day, he's a cheater. He cheated on you so many times. I don't give a fuck. I'll say it to your face. You cheat on my cousin all the fucking time and I don't like that shit.

All right, so when it comes to photos, we found 378 images considered nudity. Some of the images were sent through text, which means you are sharing images with other women. And these are within the past 4 months. So the reason I asked you to get closer is because these are photos that were shared that I cannot show. All right, so this is the first one that was shared. You don't need to see 'em. You can back up. They were already on your phone. This is the first image that was shared. So this image is in the last 4 months that he had on his phone that he received.

Okay.

And that's not you?

No, that's not me.

Okay then. The next one.

Let me see, are all of these from June?

No, no, this is recently. Last 4 months. Okay then. So this is the last photo.

I just got a problem deleting stuff. That's my fault.

This is a photo that was in the last 4 months.

That's you?

That's so old.

But that's you?

This is a photo of him receiving. This is a photo of him receiving. This is a photo of him receiving fellatio from another woman.

Yeah, wow. That was you? That's dope.

You asked me for a certain time period and you asked me for phones, apps, and DMs. I've given you the answers you want. This is where you have to say, I asked you before, what was at stake? You said my relationship was at stake. I know you have a child together and I understand that. And so it's very hard and complicated when you're breaking up families and things of that nature. And I'm not trying to tell you to break up, but you asked for proof and you got your proof. Talk to your man.

He don't got nothing to say. First of all, you know about all those pictures and the messages. The 3 pictures, but not that one.

Bro, that is old, bro.

I could tell you when we leave when that happened, but that was not in the situation. 4 months though. That was not even 5 months, 6 months ago.

So I think whatever issues you two have, you gotta be able to figure it out. I do agree with my audience member. You need to find a new place to live. At the end of the day.

I got somewhere to live.

Yeah, yeah. At the end of the day.

I got somewhere else.

At the end of the day, for y'all to really rebuild your relationship, which I think is gonna be most important here, y'all gotta figure it out. You, you in a situation where you gonna get away with whatever the hell you want to get away with.

Come on, man. Why y'all think that?

Yo, I do not think that. Listen, I'm not mad at you. I'm not mad at you. That didn't come across as mad at you. Listen, you in a position where you young, you getting to do what you want to do because she's not setting any boundaries with you. No, she did. She has, and I learned my lesson. I used to be way worse than what I am right now. I used to be way worse.

But who's— That's—

Bro, that joint is old.

That picture is old. I don't know how he—

He good at what he do because I don't know how he found that. I don't know how he thought that.

That's what I need to find out. When that picture will come.

Listen everyone, this dynamic is not gonna be solved today. I actually do wish you all luck. You have information, use that information. And then once you use that information, try to heal your relationship with your cousin because I think that's gonna be important for you, all right? Good luck to you all. Hey y'all, all right listen, when your significant other starts to hiding their phone phone from you, blocking you and lying about their whereabouts, you know there is a problem in your relationship and it's going to be questioned. So my next guest, Key, says she has had enough and is ready to unlock her man's phone. His very own sister tells Key that lies are being told, his sister, y'all. Now her best friend is telling her to ditch him and yet she says she still needs to see for herself. So first, let's bring out Key to get her side of the story. Hey, Ki. Hey. That's a cute outfit. Thank you. How you doing?

Nice to meet you.

Nice to meet you too. Take a seat. All right, so tell me what happened with Dontez.

Well, the other day I was on Bree Way.

You know what Bree Way is? Yes, I do.

Okay, that's the—

well, for people that don't know, it's the protest where we protested for Breonna Taylor.

That's where we always are when I wait to pick him up from work. This day he didn't come, so I kept calling and calling and calling. I'm like, gosh, it's really pissing me off. I'm like, why isn't Dontez answering the phone? So I called his sister, she didn't answer, so I called his friend. And when I called his friend, he was like, he's over Nay's, which is his sister. So I called Nay back, she answered the phone.

I'm like, Nay, is Dontez there?

She was like, girl, no. So there go that feeling, he's lying again. That's what he do.

It's a pattern, it's what he always do.

So I text him, then he text me back. He was like, "Hey babe, I'm over Nate's." So I was like, "No, you not, you lying again." So then he was like—

'Cause she just told you he was up there. She just told me, yeah.

So then he was like, "I'mma prove it to you. I'm about to FaceTime you." And you know FaceTime on the money. So FaceTime me now.

Yes.

Took him 20 minutes. 20 minutes. So finally he FaceTimed me. I'm over Nate. I said, I bet now.

Are you and Nate close? Are you and his sister close?

Yes, my friend.

So you believe her?

Yeah, I believe everything she say.

Of course. And is this something that reoccurs with him all the time?

It's a habit.

How long has it been going on? I love him, so it's hard to, when you love somebody, it's hard to shake it. So how long has it been going on, this recurring pattern of telling you lies?

For about 4 or 5 months.

4 or 5 months. And how did it start?

The first time I was with my cousin and I was supposed to pick him up and when I got to the place he wasn't there. So when I called, no answer again.

So do you have proof from his phone that he has been cheating?

No, he won't even let me touch that phone. That's why I'm here.

Oh yes, I have.

We take pictures and I'll be like, baby, let me see that phone. No, no, I'm gonna send it to you. Like, I can't touch your phone? It's just a phone.

Sleeps with it under the pillow when he is home. And I know your cousin's here today and she's part of the audience, right? Rosie? She's Rosie? Where Rosie at? Okay, let me come talk to Rosie for a little bit. You brought Rosie here, not me. Okay, let me hear what Rosie gotta say. Rosie, how you doing?

I'm doing good.

Rosie, I already see your face, girl. Let me know, what are you feeling?

I mean, I love my cousin to death. I love you too. And I feel that she rushed in this relationship too soon and he's not trustworthy. I don't think I did, I don't think I did. You single so you won't understand. You know, and I'm gonna be single until I find a man that's gonna treat me right and not cheat on me and all that. So I'm good, you know, I love myself. If y'all not gonna do it and do it right, then y'all don't need to be together. Point blank, period. That's it.

Rosie, I appreciate your perspective. Yeah, thank you so much. Anybody else have something anything to say on this? Okay, come on over.

I just feel like before you find love, sometimes you gotta love yourself. And so just make sure you're loving yourself before anyone else, before giving that love away.

Beautiful statement. Yes, I appreciate that. Yes, you have two people here who are telling you, your cousin, you have a complete stranger who's saying, I don't know if you're loving yourself, that if you're giving yourself the self-love that you deserve. I think it's time to bring Dontez out and see what he has to say about everything we've heard. So let's go ahead and bring Donta to the show. Sitting up here lying to these people. I ain't cheated on you not one time.

I didn't say you cheated.

Okay. Donta, it's nice to meet you, man. Hey, how's it going? How do you feel about what Keith said? Man, she's sitting up here making up a lie, man. She's over— she's controlling. She wants to be involved.

I'm not controlling.

And I ain't ready for all that right now. So my question is, before he even came out, you picked a tissue up and I see you getting emotional. He didn't even come out yet. What's going on?

'Cause I'm ready for this unlock.

The phone? Okay, we gotta still, well listen, we gonna get to unlocking the phone, but I got to get his side of the story. Do you feel like you need to lie to her? Yeah. You do? Why? Because she's controlling. She wants to go through my phone. She calls me. 15,000 times. I say I'm going to my daddy's house, she's gonna call me as soon as I walk out the house and ask me what am I doing, why am I doing that.

'Cause you say you're overnays and you don't be overnays at your daddy's.

So just tell the truth and I won't have to call you 20,000 times. So you're saying you admitting that you do have to lie because she's controlling you, then where are you then in those times when you're not at your father's house? I might be with my kids, I go to football games, I be with my, I got 5 other baby mothers.

So you at football games till midnight? Sometimes. Kids football games?

Yeah.

Oh.

One of the big things that I thought was interesting is that she has called your sister and your sister has said to her, "Hey, my sister's a hater too." Oh. She's a hater too. So I guess I know how you feel about your sister being involved. Man, because we grew up together. That's supposed to be my dog. That's my sister. Girl code. That's what they teaming up and saying, it's girl code. It's girl code.

It's bros over, you know, what y'all say, so why can't we have a girl code?

But that's your sister. Your sister's the one saying, listen, he's not here, he's lying. I'm not about to lie. How do you feel about that? And I didn't believe my sister was doing that at first until I got a call from somebody from your show and my sister was in it. So I knew she's been telling her some things Okay, so what about you FaceTiming me from Nae's and you wasn't there? What was I at?

Until 20 minutes later, then you FaceTimed me from there.

Okay.

So where was you before then? I don't know.

We'll figure that out. So Dontez, I'm gonna ask you right now. Is there anything that your sister can say to me or to Key to let us know that you actually are lying and cheating? Nope. Okay. I just don't tell her. It's not lying. I just don't tell her nothing. Well, I think it's time— Why not? Well, I think it's going time to go ahead and bring out Nay and hear her side of the story. So let's go ahead and bring out Dante's sister Nay and hear what she has to say about this relationship.

She's coming.

She's a hater.

That's crazy.

Nay, how are you doing? Good to meet you.

How you doing?

So let's find out right now, do you ever tell your brother to stop lying?

Yes.

Okay, and why do you have to tell him that?

Why you doing that? Because as we done got older, back now, as he said, back in our younger days, I did laugh for him. I did, I might cover up for him anything. We're older now. If I get hurt, he's hurt. So it's not fair to him to hurt another woman. Plus I'm a woman of empowerment. Talk about it. I don't want my black women to be let down over just being dogged to be dogged. That's why I do that. That's where it come, that's where it is.

And how does it make you feel to know your brother's acting like this? You said you want Black women to feel empowered.

I know it's hard. I know he's better than that. It might be something. It might be the last relationship, that's where he's turned the next woman down. It might be, that's what it is. 'Cause I know him, that's really not in him.

But that's different for me though. You are my sister though.

So?

You ain't supposed to be going against me like that.

It's not that I'm going against you.

You ain't supposed to tell nothing either. I don't tell.

I just say, did you come over my house? No, ain't on my house.

But it's true.

Nah, ain't on my house. So I didn't let you. Ain't on my house.

You should've called.

He over Daddy's house, but he ain't over my house. He might be over Tranny's, but he ain't over my house.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I get it. How do you feel about being caught in the middle?

It's not, I just want him.

You a hater. That's what you are.

I am a woman in the spotlight. She's not a hater. I want all of us to not be dogged by nobody just because you've been hurting somebody.

Hurt people hurt people.

Yeah.

But you a monster. That's my friend.

It don't matter who's sister, who's not sister, it's called human.

She got two baby moms, I ain't tell him that.

Yes he does. But that's my friend. My last relationship, the more I was hurt, it hurt him. So it wouldn't make no difference for you to hurt her.

Yes, got it.

My brothers don't want me to be hurt like my cousin.

I wanna know from you, do you think that your brother is using P?

I don't wanna say he's more using it because my thing is a person only gonna do what you allow them to let you do. So if you keep allowing him to do you like that, he's gonna continue to do you like that.

All right, so listen, before I get to the unlock the phone results, Key, I wanna know, is there anything that you wanna say to Dontez?

I just wanna know the truth. Like, keep it real with me, you know?

I ain't cheating on you.

It's all we're here for is to make sure he ain't cheating on us. It solves all the problems. I just need the real truth.

All right, well listen, we unlocked your phone.. And as you know, we go extensively through your phone. I got that feeling in my stomach. We go through every single app, text messages, emails, location services, everything. So when you saying you at football games, are you at football games? Oh, you smiling now. Sometimes I'm at the football game.

Okay. Sometimes, not all the time.

Most of the time. Okay, well listen, we have unlocked your phone. And so we're gonna be going through every single thing. All right, so Key, you asked us some specific questions about other women, about the football games, about sites on his phone, about everything. I'm gonna go through those for you one by one. So when it comes to nudity of women on his phone, the only woman that we found on his phone Was you. Told you I wasn't cheating on you. I tried to tell you, I tried to love you. I tried to be there for you. You just took it for granted. All right, the question, we still got a lot more. When it comes to the question of him being at football games, watching football games with other people, going to kids' football games, is he lying? And we tracked location services. Each of the times that he has texted you to say, we looked at location services, and we have found that he has always been at those games. There was nothing found on his phone that could show that he was cheating. I told you I wouldn't. Okay.

No, 'cause your whole thing is—

He's sorry is the question. Your question is— So the thing is, is that he's told us right now that he was doing this because he felt like he was being harassed in some way. And I'm not saying that's the proper behavior, but we now understand You understand why he was doing it. Do you have anything to say to him?

My bad. What do you want me to say?

I don't wanna be sorry.

Not my bad.

My bad? What you want me to say, sorry? Okay, then you know what? All right. P, so how do you feel about those results? I'm proud of you. That's right. You was right this time. Not my bad and I'm proud of you. I'm right. I ain't gonna say that, 'cause that was, you accused this man of cheating.

Yeah. You would too if you was with the way I was with you.

Listen, I'm not judging, I'm not in your relationship. I'm just saying that's what you had said. All right, so the question is, Dontez, you have been found to have not cheated. There was nothing on your phone. Do you want to stay with, what do you want to say to Key? I don't want to be in no relationship with you. I just want you to forget about me. Lose my phone number, don't call me, or none of that. I'm done, okay?

It's done.

I did not see that coming.

I'm sorry.

I did not see that coming. I'm very sorry. I did not see that coming. I'm very sorry. I did not see that coming.

It's others? It's okay. It's not the first loss. It's not how you fall, it's about how you get up. You okay. You are okay. You do not need no man to make you. You don't need no man to make you.

You make you.

Honestly? You don't need no man.

Okay. You come up here. You come on up here. You come on up here. 'Cause I think this is a moment to rally around. This is a moment to rally around her. This is a moment to rally around. Because what we've seen here is that what we heard earlier is that there needs to be a moment of Key having moments of self-love. That's what we saw. This is the time.

Yeah. The person only gonna treat you how you allow 'em to treat you.

Yes.

You allowed him to treat you like that and this is the outcome of it.

You don't need it, huh? Key, Key, I want you to know this. You already see right now, even, Nae is still around you, she's surrounding you, your cousin's here. You have love around you. So I know—

He still gonna be my brother, but he still don't have to be dog like that.

Exactly. And I know that you, I know you are feeling like, damn, I just had loss right now. Someone just lost me. But you look at the love you have, you understand? And I think this is a moment for you to really reflect and say, maybe what your cousin is saying about taking a moment to find some love, to do stuff for yourself.

You can't love somebody if you don't love self.

Yes.

You think you love self.

You don't love yourself because you're loving the wrong thing. So I already see, and what I love about this is I see y'all being here to support her. Would you be willing to support her to practice her self-love more? Because I do believe that you're trying to love yourself and you're doing things, but I think there needs to be a little bit more work there. Self-love. You know what I mean? And the more that you have that self-love, you'll be able to recognize things that say, you know what, I can't put up this from the beginning and I'm gonna move on. 'Cause I love myself. 'Cause I love myself. Can you feel that? And look at these women. These women are here to support you. They love you. Thank you. Yeah, and they love you too. But I want you to work on that self-love with yourself, all right? I'll be all right. You're gonna be all right. Angel says her relationship was fine until she heard from friends that her man was messing with an 18-year-old young woman. Take a look at this.

I've been with Marquis going on 3 years. We love each other, we've been living together, and I would love to keep the relationship. I have a 2-year-old daughter from a previous relationship. Marquise came in our life when she was 2 months old, and he stepped up. She love him, and he love her, and we really need him. Marquise and I have been engaged for 2 and a half years. We both have rings on our fingers, and I would love to move forward with the wedding. I'm a grown woman. She's only 18 years old, and she's been posting their relationship all over Facebook. I found out that they spent the Fourth of July together. Then I go on Facebook and I find out that he's sending roses. I deserve to know the truth. I wanna be with Marquis and he's sitting up here telling me it's nothing when obviously it's something.

Wow, that video was shocking to me because I haven't seen that myself. So listen, Angel is here with us right now. Thank you so much for being here.

Thank you for having me.

What is going on?

Well, Karamo, I meet I met Marquise around 2014. You know, we kind of hit it off real good. It was fun, it was everything. Around 2019, I end up getting pregnant. Marquise, we end up losing contact. I end up having my daughter in 2020. He end up coming to stay with me and my child, and she was 2 months old at the time. Everything was good, everything was great, nothing wrong. Later on down the road, I get an inbox from my Facebook. Oh, do you know that Lena is messing with your man Marquis? No, I don't know that. Okay, so I still have the message in my phone.

Who sent you that message?

Her ex sent the message to me. Messy. I got the message in my phone, so I goes to show him the message. He deletes the message. He hides the message, he deletes the message. Fourth of July. Some go, I go scrolling on Facebook, scrolling on Facebook. First off, you started off barbecuing with me and my daughter. You left from barbecuing with us, told me you was going to the studio.

And then went to another relationship.

Come to find out he was with her for the first block.

So at this point now where he is spending time with Lena, how long have y'all been together? 'Cause I wanna just make sure I got the math right.

We have been together going on almost 3 years.

3 years?

Yes.

So 3 years of relationship where he's been there to support you, support your daughter.

Yes.

And now has started engaging this relationship openly.

5 months of relationship.

Is he the father of your child?

No, he's not. Okay.

No. So he's not the father of your child, yet he's committed to you and your child. Yes. So that has to make this even more devastating.

It definitely is. Like, I don't even know like how much I can cry anymore. Like, I done cried, I done cried, I done did everything. Like, it's not just me building a bond with him and me loving him and feeling the way I feel, but It's my daughter as well. All she know is him as father, as daddy. She goes crazy for Marquis. They build a bond that can never be broken. And I would never take that, even whatever comes, whatever is whatever, I would never take that away from him. I would never take that away from him 'cause that's all she know is daddy. Yeah, of course. I'm hurt. This whole situation is just, It's too much to handle and I just wanna know the truth.

What gets me is that to hear a young man that would decide to commit to another man's child and to be there for you doesn't add up with this other guy who's out here publicly embarrassing you in a sense, cheating on you. Exactly. I'm confused of like where that disconnect is. Have you talked to Lena at all?

It's been kind of a back and forth thing. Me being the older person of her, I've tried to come and talk to her plenty of times. I've tried to sit down and all three of us and talk, but she young, of course, and she just reckless. She just come at me reckless. She come at me, talk crazy and everything. So I just, I leave it alone.

Have you ever met her in person?

No, I have not.

This is your first time seeing each other face to face?

Sure is.

How are you both feeling about this?

I mean, I'm cool. I'm not cool.

What are you feeling in this moment?

Well, I don't like you at all. That's fine. For one, you brought my baby in a situation. For two, you having sex with my man. But how was it your man if he said that he not happy with you and that he don't wanna be with you? We told each other we not happy. And then on top of that, he pacified me Specifically said, how long does it take for a hoe to realize I don't wanna marry her?

So when you got with Marquis, Lena, did you know he had a fiancée? Yes. So you were aware of it? Yeah, nasty. Okay, and why did you still make the decision to be with him?

Because if he ain't happy with her, then let him be happy. Oh, he's happy, baby. He's happy. Hey, it don't matter about a ring. He's happy. We stay together, baby. That don't matter.

Did you know that they were raising a child together?

Raising her child. His child too. It's really not. Biologically don't make no difference, baby. It really do.

It really do.

So in that case, it's your child, not his. Our child, again. Yeah, you could put the quotes in there.

Our child. Lena, I'm wondering, why do you wanna be with a man who's already in a relationship?

I mean, if he don't want the relationship, so let him move on. Obviously he wanted, he's still here.

Okay. Angel, when was the last time you were intimate with Marquis?

Huh, right before we came here. Oh, that's crazy 'cause we just had sex yesterday and this morning. Can I ask you a question? How y'all had sex yesterday and this morning? Oh, look. He came to your room? Mm-hmm.

Oh, he did?

He came to mine too, baby. Okay.

He came to mine too. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Okay, because what I don't like seeing, and I gotta be real with y'all, I gotta be real with y'all. As wild as this is, at the end of the day, what I see here is like two young women that could be my sisters, who could be my cousins. And this hurts me a lot because y'all are over here fighting over a man who's disrespecting you both.

Wow.

I mean, there is no pride in the fact that he felt that he could sleep with you and sleep with you. And so I wanna know, like, for you two, why are y'all arguing with each other if both of y'all basically in this point, and I don't like to call anyone victims, but in this sense, you are victims of a man's actions.

Why are y'all fighting? I mean, I tried to come to her as a grown woman, but obviously she's a child. So I'm gonna step on her level and I'm be on her level.

Okay. And why are you mad at her?

Oh, I'm not. Oh, she is. What is— She is. 'Cause I still got your man. And I got him too. What's the debate in? So what am I mad for? What's the difference? Exactly. So there's no point to be mad.

You do seem upset. No. You do seem upset. And it's okay if you're upset. Listen, this is a space right now where we can be vulnerable for a second. Like you are a young, beautiful woman, like literally. And there's a man that is disrespecting you at this age. You don't deserve for a man to dis— This is where you should be like having fun, having people fawn over you. Yeah. It's okay if it makes you mad that the man that you are choosing to lay with is disrespecting you. It is okay if it makes you mad. It don't. So it does not make you mad at all that he's making this choice?

No, 'cause like me growing up, Like after all the stuff I've been through, I just became heartless. So it's like—

Got it. That's heartbreaking. Come on, y'all. We just heard a young woman say, because of my own trauma, I'm numb to this.

I mean, I got trauma too.

I get it. Yeah, no, I'm not taking away your trauma at all. I'm not saying any of that, but—

But you go about it a different way.

That's right. How would you like her to go about this and how would you like this communication to go forward?

I mean—

Because I'm gonna bring out Marquis in a little bit to talk about it.

It ain't how she wanna go about it, it's me.

Yes, that's what I wanna know. How do you wanna go about this? Like this? Because you did say you're older now. You said you got it. You said, I know what's going on. You said before that you went to her level. I can understand that in the heat of anger. When I was younger, anybody could have caught it outside. So I'm not gonna pretend right here like just because I've grown.

Yep.

I was younger.

And that's exactly how I feel right now. I feel like—

But at some point we do evolve. At some point we grow. Yes. We are here because of a situation that had happened with Angel. Now I understand you heard both of what they was saying, but for the most part of it, everything that they saying is based off how they feel, but it's not true because at the end of the day, there's more reason behind everything. I'm willing to hear your side. I've been with Angel almost 3 years and when I first got into the situation, I told her about everything I've been through in my past. She looked me directly in my face and told me, "Oh, I'm not gonna take you through the same thing that these other people did." Specifically. So when we started talking and everything, she was telling me like, "Yeah, I got this guy to help me and everything." Now as me being the man I am, if I'm your man and we in a relationship, it should be only me and you. Why is you dependent and calling on another man when I'm working, I'm taking care of you, I'm there for Deshay and everything? [Speaker] So when he came to you and said, "This guy being a part of our relationship is hurting me," what was your response?

I didn't really have a response because at that time I was too caught up in my head or what he wasn't doing, what he was doing. Oh, he doing this for me, he doing that for me. I don't gotta do nothing with him. I could get it what I want it, how I want it. And at that point I wasn't caring. I wasn't thinking.

You're trying to survive.

Exactly. I was providing for my family.

Survival mode. But see, that wasn't a thing because when I came to her on several occasions, she looked at me dead in my face. She said, how you gonna be mad at me 'cause another man doing what you can't? Now keep in mind, I'm working. I moved from Chicago to Rockford to be out here with her. I had my job transferred and everything. It ain't like I came out here having you taking care of me, needing stuff from you or nothing. That was never the case. I asked for one thing. If it's gonna be me and you, I feel like as your man, you shouldn't be taking nothing from no other man. But for you to stand there and throw that in my face, talking about some, oh, how you mad at me 'cause he doing what you can't, is unacceptable. And so at that point, when one thing led to another, why didn't you end this relationship? Because I love her. Yes, sir. But by staying, you're inadvertently hurting two people. But me leaving, I'll be hurting two people also. Who are those two people? Her and Deshay. Got it. Got it. Why does Deshay mean so much to you? I've been in her life since she was two months. Like when I came around, she just adapted to me so quickly. It felt like it was meant to be. When I came into her life, it felt like that I was legitimately her father. She looks up to me. She tried to do everything I do. I'm her biggest role model. That dad's the person she really loves, and if I leave her, I won't just be leaving her, but I'll be leaving her also. Yeah. The reason behind all this is because of the things that have been going on that I've been talking to her about. This ain't the first time I done went to her crying because this is somebody who I wanna be with. It is. But at the end of the day, it's like she's sitting up here saying, "Oh, for the 4th of July, he went out with her and he stayed out for 3 days," which is a lie. That was July 21st when I left out, but she was talking to another person when that thing came up and everything. You sit up in my face constantly and tell me, "Oh yeah, I'm gonna stop talking to him. I'm gonna stop talking to him." And every time you go behind my back, you block him, you unblock him. Just on September 1st, you lied to me. You told me, "Oh, my grandma sent me some money." But in reality, you still taking things from this other man. But how could you take something from another man or interact any way with another man, but you gonna feel some type of way when I talk to another female or I'm in a relationship with another female?

I'm right. I'm right.

Is he telling the truth here?

Yes, he is. He's right. The second person he got talking about. I did met the man just having a conversation. I don't get along with females, so I talk to men. Not a lot of men. I do have some men friends, but—

It's the difference between having male friends and getting things from them. Yes. Getting gifts. Yes. I could understand how, and again, I'm not excusing anyone's behavior right now, right now, but I can understand how that could cause you to feel a certain way. But now there's a third person that's been involved in this, and now we're not talking about your daughter, we're talking about you, Lena. Marquis, like, talk to Lena here because now she's involved.

Can I say something?

Sure you can.

You had sex with her last night and this morning?

Last night and this morning?

No. Didn't you say he had sex with you last night and this morning? Last night, yes you did. So you walked to her hotel room and walked to mine's?

No. You told her I had sex with you last night and this morning.

Last night, you was with me.

I did not have sex with you last night.

Lie again. Can I, can I?

Take a moment? And that's crazy because both of these women right here know what to say to get under each other's skin. When I just sat back and I just told her, no, I did not come to her room and no, I didn't. You seen a little smirk she gave? They know exactly what to say to get under each other's skin. What's going through your head? What's going through your mind? 'Cause you had to get up and take a moment.

I believe everything she say. What I wanna know is how many times y'all have sex? I don't even wanna talk to you. How many times y'all have sex? Too many to count.

By the way, by the way, by the way, by the way, I'm gonna tell you something because I know that what that response right there was from your pain and your trauma. She actually came out here and said she believed you. She didn't come out here and call you a liar. She didn't come out here and say any of those things. And that's the reason why she say the things she say because she know everything that come outta her mouth, she's gonna believe. Do you want a long-term relationship with her? My thing is, and what I've been feeling this whole time, if she can't stop talking to Thomas, yes I did. That is what I said. I want, if she can't stop talking to Thomas, but Lena, she know exactly what to say to get under this woman's skin. And that's why I like you. We gonna back up because besides getting underneath someone's skin, You just said, did you hear those words? He said, "If she can stop doing something, then I'll talk to her." So he's basically saying you the second choice. I wanna know right now, can you make a choice to choose one today? Nope. Marquis, can you make a choice to choose one? Nah. Oh. How can you make a choice when you don't know what choice to make? All right. Marquis, you wanted me to unlock Angel. Angel's phone because you wanted proof to see if she was talking to other guys and accepting money, correct? Yes. Let's do 'em now.

I just had a question. Can you sit back? Are you currently pregnant? That is not a question that you need to know. Oh yes it is. No, it's not. Are you currently pregnant? Because he told me you are. So are you currently pregnant? You told him you was pregnant, he told me— I need to know because as you can see, this is my man. So I wanna know what's going on. So she ain't pregnant?

You asked her the question. Well, I'm gonna tell you right now 'cause we can end this real quick. You told my producers you're not pregnant.

Yeah, because not at this moment. Oh, so this right here, over with. See, but the whole thing is why we was doing what we was doing. Oh, he ended up getting me pregnant and I had a miscarriage.

But you're not pregnant now?

No. And I asked that question because he told me he was only talking to her because she was pregnant. And that's crazy 'cause you only told me you was talking to her 'cause of the baby.

You just had an epiphany and you just had an epiphany and we can't get over that. You just realized he giving you the same story he giving her, just both of y'all getting and played off the limo. Different ways. All right, Marquis, you want to know if she was still communicating with Thomas, correct? Our unlock the phone investigator discovered yes, via Cash App, 5 transactions in the past 3 weeks. So you know she's still talking to him. Marquis, you also want to know if she's been communicating with the mystery man and we unlocked the phone and discovered Yes, over 100 deleted interactions in the past 8 weeks. The investigator also found downloaded dating apps like Tinder on her phone. So now you have that information. So Marquis, would you like to make a choice now?

And what I wanna say is before the show occurred, I asked him, I say, if this girl not pregnant, you're gonna leave her alone. I'll leave Thomas alone, you leave this girl alone. Obviously she ain't pregnant, so we got things to do.

Okay, so Marquis, she's saying that she'll stay with you. Do you wanna stay with her?

It's a yes or no. You ain't gotta hesitate. You say yes, it's yes. You say no, I'm gonna get on with my life.

I'm gonna talk to the youngest on this panel and I want you to be here with me because these two are already in a situation that is unhealthy. Do you believe you deserve to be in a situation that's not dysfunctional?

Yeah, but at the same time—

That's it, just say yes. Just say yes. Stay there. Stay there with me. Stay there with me. Yes, you now know you deserve to be in a situation that's not dysfunctional. Can you make the choice to leave the dysfunction?

Yes, but at the same—

Stay at yes.

Can I explain?

No, because the thing is, is like, listen, I'm looking at a young, beautiful woman who doesn't have to be in a dysfunctional situation. These two have history. You don't need to be in this. So just tell me one more time clearly, are you ready to make the choice to find somebody who can love you and only you?

Yes and no.

All right, this is the thing. I'm gonna try to give you a little bit more resources after we finish with the show because all of y'all need some resources understanding how your choices not only affecting y'all, but they're affecting other people. And when you make unhealthy choices for yourself out of, out of trauma from your past, out of survival, out of being afraid to have people hurt you again, because that's what you do with Marquis. You end up, all y'all end up getting hurt at the end of the day, and y'all can make better choices. Hold up, hold up. Where are you going? I know you wanna watch more Karamo, so click here to subscribe and click here to watch more so we can keep talking and growing, friends. I love you.