In this episode of the Karamo Show, host Karamo mediates a heated confrontation between rapper Avion and her former friend/fan Julie. Avion recounts how Julie’s behavior escalated from frequent calls and moving into Avion’s home to invasive actions such as asking personal questions of Avion’s teenage son, creating a fake Instagram fan page, booking shows under Avion’s name, and even getting a tattoo of Avion’s name on her neck. Julie admits to dressing like Avion, claiming the children as her own, and posting that Avion is her wife, all framed as expressions of admiration. Karamo repeatedly emphasizes the difference between intention and impact, urging Julie to respect boundaries, apologize, and cease the invasive behavior. The segment ends with Karamo warning Julie about potential legal consequences and advising both parties to protect themselves, while also promoting the show’s usual content.
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So why do you say that your friend Julie was being clingy in the beginning?
Well, I mean, in the beginning it started out where she would call all day, all night. She started going to the kids' school. She just, she started doing a lot.
How did you two meet?
Work. We met at work on lunch break.
Okay.
And that was the worst decision. So basically, It was. So I think I was late for a break that day. I was actually on the phone with my doctor and she stood there in front of me until I was finished. And she was like, "Hey, you wanna go to lunch together?" And I was like, "I don't know." So that day I actually didn't go. I went the following day. So we met on break and she has been with me since break.
It's interesting that on the first day, since break, okay. It's interesting that on the very first day you had some reservation. What were you feeling on that day?
I don't know, she's just, she was just weird to me. I don't know, she was in class talking about her cat and she had to go take it to daycare and she, okay, so, well, let me back up. She was talking about Molly and I was like, how old is Molly? I'm like, Molly can meet my nieces. She was like, Molly's a cat. And so I'm like, Oh, damn.
So that kind of like was your first— Yeah.
So I was like, okay, she's just different. She would even sing songs in class and get mad when people told her to like be quiet. She's just really different.
I can't lie. I got friends that are eccentric like that. You know, my best friend Trey, he doesn't like when I bring those friends around, but like, I'm somebody who don't judge. And I'm like, yeah, you be you. You know, if your cat named Molly and you think she a child, great, let's go for it.
Right.
But, you know, but I understand that's not for everyone else. I get that.
Right.
Okay, so you told my producers that she tried to dress like you?
Man. Yes, so—
And she did her hair like you as well?
Oh, yes. You see, like she never wore her hair like this. Julie came back with curls and I just tried to ignore it. I was flattered at first.
So why did you let Julie move in with you if all this was happening?
She was sleeping in her car. And so basically I just didn't wanna see her out struggling and homeless.
And who else was living with you at the time?
My then husband and children.
Okay, so she moved in with you and your family. Okay, yeah. So this caused an issue for you in your home?
Yes. So my children were like, when is she leaving? She's asking me personal questions.
Hold on, she's asking your kids personal questions. What do you mean?
So my son, I have a 17-year-old. He started dating. She would ask him things about him and his girlfriend. Is he having sex? I'm a rapper, right? She kept getting deposits for me to perform and didn't even tell me to go perform.
Got it.
When you hear her, you'll understand.
Well, you said we better hear from her, so I think there's no better time than to to meet Julie. Everyone, please welcome Julie to the show. Nice to meet you. You look very pretty.
Thank you.
And different style today. Okay, so, so how does it feel to hear your former best friend say these things?
It's very hurtful to me.
Girl, bye.
It's really hard that we're in this place.
There she go.
It's like she is like the sister that I never had, you know? I do have siblings, but I don't have a relationship with them.
Hold on, we gotta ping really quickly.
That's the damn tattoo. Listen, She got my name tattooed on her. Y'all, we didn't discuss this.
Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. I'm looking at it now. What do you—
That's my name, Avion.
Hold on, okay. You got—
I can explain.
Why did you get— Yes, please explain because you got her name tattooed on your neck.
I did. Nobody asked her to do it.
It's my only tattoo, right? And I know what it sounds like.
This is crazy as hell.
I'm a fan of hers.
A fan.
It was kind of like to show her that I was like team her. She misconstrued it, you know? I thought she would be happy about it.
Why?
But it made me look crazy.
Let me explain something. She has people thinking that we have been in a relationship. That tattoo really made everybody like, okay, I know y'all was, I'm like, no, the fuck, we what? So.
Yeah, I mean, it does send a signal.
Right.
When I was 22, I was young and out there and I put an ex-boyfriend's name on me, but it was my ex-boyfriend. We was together and I was crazy in love.
And she just crazy.
Oh my God. Hold on, we got another ping. My wife, Avion, moved me to the mountains and the—
See this right here? Let me tell y'all something. Some of my family is on her page, psychopath. And they called me, they was like, hey Deuce, did you see that? See that dumb shit?
Why did you call her your wife?
Crazy.
People do it all the time.
No, no, hell they don't.
Like, I know what it sounds like. It sounds crazy. But I promise I'm not crazy. I would tell people that we're in a relationship, but I know we're not.
So— You are crazy, bro. Like—
You got me at a loss for words right now, and that's never me. So you were telling people that you were in a relationship Yes, they would stop and ask me. They was like, "Congratulations on your engagement." I said, "To who?" Well, 'cause you're smiling about this and I need to understand where did this come from?
So, okay, so I love hard, right?
Don't love me that hard.
When I care about somebody, you know, I'm just like, I'm all about that person. May I have gone about it the wrong way? Yes. You did. But everything that I did, it was kind of like, It wasn't like in an obsessive way, it was more so like, hey, I care about you, I'm teaming. I would never do anything to hurt her. But it was more so like, hey, I thought it was the wife thing. I thought it was funny.
No, that's psycho. Listen, I asked you a million times to just be you. And I was like, listen, we can be cool as long as you chill. Why you couldn't chill?
Oh, that was my way of being chill.
Girl, bye.
Well, Julie, my producers are telling me right now they got a confession from you for Avion.
Avion, I confess I did dress like you. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Yes, it's true, I did create the social media page, but it was a fan page. I took your photos, I created an Instagram account, So I could show my dedication and get followers, you know, to see that I'm a fan of yours. I did tell people that your kids are my kids. I love them like they're my own. I posted on social media that you are my wife. I did it because I love you, not because I'm obsessed or anything like that. I got this tattoo of your name because I'm a fan of yours. I wanted to show you "I support you." So what better way than with a tattoo? "I'm not obsessed with you. I just love you and care about you and support you. That's all." Girl, fuck.
I don't even wanna do this with your dumb ass no more. That's stupid.
That reaction makes sense. You can understand why she's upset. You just confessed to starting a profile under her name. And also saying that you told people that her kids were yours.
Okay, so that's true. I'm gonna go step by step. The kids part, right? I'm African and in African culture, your friend's kids are your kids. Your sister's kids are your kids, you know?
I understand the village mentality. This is our tribe. Yes, I get it.
It was in that sense. I don't have children of my own. Her kids, I felt like, you know, I would do anything for them too since they are an extension of her.
Got it.
It was in that sense.
Okay, this one I gotta say to this. I understand that there is a justification in your mind for each of these things and I'm gonna have Avion come back out in a second, but there's something called intention and there's something called impact.
Right.
And I guess I understand your intention is to do one thing, but the impact that it has on Avion or anyone else is the opposite. Your intention is to show you I love you and I admire you and I think you're amazing. The impact is you're invading my space and you're making me uncomfortable. And so the lesson I would have for you as you walk away from here, understand boundaries, intention, and impact. You stopped communicating and you started surprising and nobody likes to be surprised. I do believe you owe her an apology. For those things. Do you agree?
Sure, what part?
I say all of it. I just told you, either you can learn the lesson here or you're gonna have this situation happen again. Can we have her come back out? I get how you reacted, girl. I get it. Thank you for coming back out and dealing with this.
You know, she can save it. And lemme tell you why, 'cause I was watching. She didn't even know what part to apologize for. You admitted on camera you had been telling people my children or your kids. She kept lying to me. She kept making fake pages. I don't believe she's sorry.
Got it, I got it.
And then I don't wanna hear nothing till that tattoo covered up anyway.
Got it. Well, I'll tell you this, you don't gotta hear it or receive it, but you should finish with that apology.
I apologize sincerely for the negative impact I had on your life. I made people think you were, My wife. I really sincerely apologize for that. What about this money part?
Because she's saying that you took money under her for bookings. What is that?
I don't recall.
Okay.
She's a liar. Let me tell you, people would stop me like, "Hey, we booked you for a show, you didn't show up." And I'm like, "What? Let me see the page." Her page and her Cash App.
Okay. So you have proof of that? 'Cause she has the proof. So it's either you own it now, she has proof.
So you didn't do it. See what I'm saying?
So the thing is, is that what happened here is that there is a pattern. And so this has now went from past intention and impact to now I'm doing actually things that could harm you and harm your brand and your business and your family. So for you, I would not contact her again. I'd keep your distance and I would make sure I watch my behavior going forward because this type of behavior here, we now can see a pattern. If you ever do this again, it can end you up in jail. So watch yourself, okay? Watch yourself, seriously. This is big brother trying to warn you, girl. Trying to warn you. I'm not trying to insult you. I'm not trying to do anything but warn you. Let this be the person who asked, 'cause she did the kindest thing. I bring you on a show to kind of talk to you. This could have got a lot worse for you. You feel me?
She don't believe it.
I know. I wish you the best of luck. Protect yourself and I wish both of y'all the best of luck, all right?
Thank you.
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