My Girlfriend Treats Me Like Her Side Piece! | KARAMO

In this episode of Karamo’s relationship‑counseling show, long‑time acquaintances Roderick and Ella confront each other about a tumultuous, on‑and‑off romance that began in childhood. Roderick claims he has been treated as a “side piece” while Ella admits to past wrongdoing and a “situationship” with another man. The host, Karamo (Speaker A), probes their histories, accusations of cheating, and the emotional fallout. At Ella’s request, the show conducts a phone‑unlock investigation, revealing fifteen recently deleted, sexually explicit messages that Ella denies sending. The host presents the evidence, highlights the lack of trust and faith expressed by both parties, and delivers a blunt assessment that the relationship is toxic and built on dishonesty. Karamo advises that one of them must end the relationship, urging both to seek healthier love elsewhere.
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Tell me about Ella and her ex.
Man, they doing me wrong.
Yeah.
You know what I'm saying? Hurting, a lot of pain going on with me 'cause I feel like she's still dealing with this guy.
Yeah.
And I know Ella since I was 13. We lived, we grew up together in the same neighborhood, same community, whatever. And you know, as you get older, you fall apart.
Yeah, of course.
And I met her again, I ran across her again in 2000, beginning of 2024. And I reached out to her, we started talking, vibing a little bit, and you know, she came to see me. She was honest with me. She told me she was in a relationship with somebody. I give her that. So everything went all bad in the beginning, but as time went by, we started talking. She came and saw me, and one thing led to another, and I just remember that same little girl from back in the days who I grew up with.
Yeah, of course.
The shy girl, the innocent girl, you know what I'm saying? But now I'm looking at her now like, Hold on.
You ain't that person.
What's going on?
Yeah, makes sense.
Hold on, what's happening? You know what I mean?
Why you got suspicions? What is it?
No, because the way she started acting, you know what I mean? Like I said, pretty much I was the second guy pretty much beyond that. 'Cause she did tell me she had a man and we went, ended up, like I said, we got up together and one thing led to another and that was it. But then she started, you know, I'm gonna leave him alone and she was making plans with me at the same time. Yeah. I'm gonna leave this guy alone and this is what we gonna do and this is what gonna go on.
So she's telling you that she's gonna leave him.
Yeah, because he ain't acting right. But they been together like 2 and a half, almost close to 3 years.
Got it, okay.
So you got feelings for the guy regardless?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So their relationship was like this pretty much. This how this was, their relationship was. If he do something wrong, she where I'm at. If she feel like I'm doing something wrong, she where he at.
Is she weird with her phone?
Oh yeah, she block me every time. She block me, put me on restriction. She might airplane mode me.
Oh really?
You know what I'm saying? So that's how that is with me and her. But I know when she back with the guy, she'll admit it or she'll block me.
Got it, got it, got it. So what did she say when you asked her to like stop all this and just be with you?
Oh, this how she work right here. Like I used to drink a little bit and she used that as an advantage. Meaning, I know he gonna drink today, so if he drink, he gonna start running his mouth, he gonna cut up, so that's the advantage she got on him. 'Cause I do got a mouth now when I start drinking, so I cut up a little bit.
So when you mean cut up, you'll start saying like, "Hey, why you doing this to me?" You back with that man, I'll bring it back up with the guy. Okay, you bring it back up.
That's my main focus, the guy, you know what I'm saying? You hurting me. That's what was going on. I ain't never cheat on her, never go up, went against, tried to marry her twice, bought her a ring.
Wow.
Two rings, matter of fact.
And each time she said no?
The first time, this is what she did. She was back, me and her was going back and forth then. She was plotting to go to the beach with the guy, couldn't find out the whole time. So 3 days in advance she kept saying, "I lost my phone charger." You and your kids got iPhones, there's 3 chargers in the house. "I can't find my charge. Can't find my charge." She done left me again, went back to the beach with the guy. So you know what I'm saying? Pretty much.
Wow.
Pretty much, like I said, I was a side guy pretty much. Yeah.
What happened the second time you proposed?
She got the ring still, but ain't nothing going on. She went back to the guy. Matter of fact, she really with this guy and I'm just a second guy. She loves this guy, but she with me.
But I'm gonna ask you this, and this is the same thing I'd ask any woman on this stage, why stay then?
I don't know, I love her though, man. Karamo though, man, I feel for her. She got a lot of health issues, a lot of situations going on with herself. 'Cause I know where she from and I know her since she was a little girl. I guess that's what I'm seeing in her. You know what I'm saying? I feel for her, I love the woman a lot.
But do you feel like you deserve to be a second dad?
No, I don't wanna be none of that. You know what I'm saying? That's why I get mad. And the anger, man, it been going on so long, I'm tired of it.
And how long you two been together exactly?
I've been, no, a year on and off. I'm gonna say on and off from that whole year though. I ain't been with her 3 months straight.
Okay, wow, wow, okay. And you said you've never cheated on her once?
No, the first time was in November though. First time, but you see, the thing about this is, though, what's funny about it, she'll break up with me, then leave, move on, and go back to the ex.
And so during that time when she broke up with you, you got this last time right here.
Okay. And she went back with the ex within 6 days. So if you quick to be with a man that fast, you still with him.
Yeah, yeah.
You still with the man. Who you fooling?
And she's here to unlock her phone today. How do you feel about that?
She, to be honest with you, all this caught me off guard.
'Cause she called the show.
Yeah, she did all this. I ain't know nothing. I was laying in the bed like this right here. I said, "Yeah, right." But she wanna unlock her phone from November up to now.
To show you.
Yeah, but guess what though, Karamo? What gonna happen when you unlock the phone? You proved your point. That's what you wanna bring me on here for. But you think, you gotta think about it. What you gonna do when you get back home? Say, "I took you on the show, unlocked my phone." The guy still live down the road from you, so you defeating the purpose.
Got it. Even though she did say she wants to unlock the phone, we did ask you if there's anything you wanna see and you want to know maybe if Ella has been going to places that you don't know about, if she has sent any DMs between her and other men, and if she has been texting her ex-boyfriend or any other man, period.
Yes, sir.
Okay then. Okay everyone, well I think it's time to meet Ella and hear her side of the story. Welcome Ella to the show. So Ella, how do you feel about what was just said?
I admit to my wrongdoing.
Yes.
But now when I came back in November, I told him that I was tired, that I really wanted to be with him. I'm tired of the accusations. I'm tired of him going back and forth. I'm tired. And then when he get upset, he calls me names. He'll call me a fat A-B. He'll call me a whore.
I'm supposed to. You disrespecting me. You're supposed to. Yeah, I ain't doing nothing. You ain't doing nothing. I'm supposed to. Look how you treating me though. Look how you doing me, man.
I didn't do that.
I'm talking about, man, I'm talking about you straight up dogging me.
I asked for forgiveness. I asked you to forgive me.
And then go right back and do the same thing.
I haven't did it since I came back this time.
I don't know that. Yeah, this time from November to now.
Mr. Karamo, I'm gonna unlock the phone.
What you did from November on up?
Mr. Karamo, I'm gonna unlock the phone.
You still dealing with that man, man.
I am not dealing with somebody that I don't want.
I don't even know who it is no more.
I don't want him, I want you.
It can be Jack, John, Julie, oh wow.
So when you were first dating, were you still dating the other man?
Yes.
Okay.
And I told him that.
Okay.
When I came to his house, I told him that I was in a situationship.
Yeah.
You know what I'm saying? She said, "They're in a situationship with a sister." Yes, I did. I told him. But why pull an innocent man like Jackson into the situation?
But yet and still, I did not lie to you none. You did. I told you the truth.
Yeah, that right. But you played pickpack with me and this man, man.
The only time I played pickpack was when you got upset with me and when you started cussing me out. Shouldn't no female have to go through somebody calling them a B.
You right, you right. You right, but guess what? But guess what though? But guess what? You sure used it as an advantage, I know that. 'Cause you played off that plate. That's what you wanted to do.
That's what I told him, I said you can't do it.
So let me back up. So the first time you saying you went back to your ex wasn't because you were going back to him. You said it's like he just started calling you out.
He started cussing me out, calling me names.
Is that true from your perspective?
I had a reason to though, Karamo.
What was your reason?
What was the reason? That back and forth.
But she said in the beginning there was no back and forth. She said it just came to you.
When we first got into it, guess what she would? Where? Every time, right back. We ain't never last 2 months straight.
But why?
Every time, 2 months straight, then when you want him no last a month, you'll come right back.
Because you got problems.
He'll need you another month. That was your excuse.
Never I do it.
That was your reason. Never I do it. Even if I did do it, you went back.
So Roderick says he feels like a side piece and you love the other guy more. Is that true?
That's not true. That's not true.
Okay.
His phone broke. When his phone broke, he had a class of women, meaning he had about 40 women in his phone that was texting him.
Is that true?
Man, Karamo, she was laying beside me, man, with them women. I ain't never been with them women.
It don't matter. It don't matter.
And guess what she was doing? Guess what she was doing? Laying beside me with a wedding ring on, getting ready to get married, texting another man beside me.
But that's the only thing you really can play on.
Come on, man.
That's the only thing you can play on.
But that's the big thing.
I mean, that's the big thing.
He was single in that time, You were in a committed relationship. You had a ring on.
He was single.
The ring I gave him.
But he still had females texting him.
Okay, so you feel like he was possibly cheating when you weren't around?
Could be.
Okay, I understand. When did you end things with the other guy officially?
The end of November.
End of November. Okay then, so it's been about a month and a half that y'all been apart.
Ain't nothing new, Karamo.
You still feel like he's cheating?
There's somebody there, somebody there.
Somebody's there?
Somebody.
That's okay, he gonna allow the process.
From November to now?
He gonna prove it.
But what gonna happen when we leave?
So I wanna know.
What you mean what gonna happen when we leave?
When I went to Karamo, I took you to Karamo, we pulled up. To the point my phone got unlocked and stuff like that. Now what?
Listen, ain't no relationship if you don't have trust and faith.
Do you have trust and faith?
Yes, I do.
You trust him? Okay. Do you have faith that behavior will change? Do you trust her? Do you have faith that the behavior will change?
It's gonna be right with that man.
All right. When Roger proposed to you, why did you say no at first?
When he proposed to me, I said no because he had cussed me out, called me a name. Who wanna be married to somebody that call a woman a bitch or a hoe or a slut?
Agreed.
This man told me that I was only good for laying on my back.
Did you say that?
Yeah, I did.
You did? Yeah. Uh-huh.
I'm the bad guy though. I'm the bad guy, okay.
No, y'all entitled to your opinion.
But listen, but maybe on a good time, he treats me like a queen.
And that's what keeps you holding on?
Yes.
Yeah.
Yeah, okay. Well, I think it's time to unlock the phone. Ella, by your request, We unlocked your phone. Yes. All right, here we go. Roderick, you wanna know if Ella has been going to places he doesn't know about. Ella says she's not. My Unlock the Phone investigator searched her GPS and found that Ella is telling the truth. So she is where she says she gonna be.
Okay, okay.
Roderick, you wanna know if Ella has sent any DMs to other men. Ella says she has not. My Unlock the Phone investigator searched her DMs and found that Ella Ella is telling the truth. Roderick, you wanna know if Ella has been texting her ex-boyfriend or any other men. Ella says she has not. My unlock the phone investigator searched her texts and found that Ella is not telling the truth.
Whoa.
Ella has 15 recently deleted messages, all sexual in nature.
Oh man. Over with.
So they are, what you up to? What you doing, LMA? You better not be cheating on me. I'm telling you that now. Body. I already took mines and gonna continue to take it. Watch out for it. To see you soon. Though new job alert. I will never ever come stay with you. I like having sex and we can no more see once you broke up with me. You crashed. The message you are not telling me who blank. You'll anything, don't care if they gay.
Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, Karamo, you know what? Hold on, them mine right there, that's on my new phone.
Thank you.
These are your messages? Yeah, them mine, yeah, yeah, this on my new phone.
Oh, got it, got it. Yes, thank you.
I ain't gonna sit here and lie on it, y'all, you know what I'm saying? That's Sada right there though, that's on my new phone.
So those are yours? So this message is from you?
Yes.
Okay then. Yeah, that's it right there. You ain't saying you get married yet to me, you playing game because you feel like you're getting your, back together and you thought that the last time, I hope and pray you ain't doing all this to impress a punk-ass bitch, sexual-ass man. Lord, I hope not. Who do you think I'm lying to? Yes, you are. I remember that though. So that's how he's communicating?
Yes. I think I remember that though.
Okay.
You starting to understand where I'm coming from.
So this the thing, I asked you both, your own words is that a relationship is only good if you have trust and faith. And I asked you both clearly, do you have trust or faith? And you both said no. Do y'all really want to keep going in this where you arguing where you feel like someone could go disrespect you? Because at some point one of you has to say enough is enough. I can tell you professionally, this is what I've been doing for years before I get on television. The foundation was never built here. It was built off of dishonesty and no trust. Y'all should have left this relationship back where y'all were when y'all were 13 years old. You right. Seriously.
You right.
This is toxic and both of y'all deserve better, honestly. And one of y'all gonna have to have the courage to say enough is enough. You can literally find somebody out there that's going to love you for you, be there to support you, be friends with each other.
That's it.
All right? I really do wish y'all the best of luck.
Okay.
Because my hope for y'all is y'all both find happiness and get what y'all deserve, which is true love and support. All right?
All right.
So wish y'all the best of luck.
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