In this YouTube segment, Karamo interviews two women (Speaker A and Speaker C) about a longāterm relationship that began in 2005 when the male partner was 15 and the female partner was 20, creating a cougar dynamic. The conversation centers on the coupleās openārelationship arrangement, where the female partner gave the male partner permission to have sex with other women without clear boundaries. Speaker A describes taking advantage of that permission, while Speaker C claims she only allowed nonākissing encounters and tried to keep the male partner from āpartyingā with other men. A major point of conflict emerges when the male partner becomes involved with another white woman; Speaker A expresses jealousy, noting that the partner was previously okay with black women but insisted the new woman be the only white girl. The discussion also touches on parenting: the couple has two older sons (ages 11 and 12) and the male partner talks to them about the affairs because he feels he has no one else to confide in. Throughout, the participants defend their roles as good fathers while acknowledging the strain the cheating and racial preferences place on the relationship.
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She allowed me to have sex with other women.
Oh.
So let's talk about it. Let's talk about it.
Okay.
She gave me an inch, I took a mile. I started having fun. I couldn't stop it.
Okay, hold on, 'cause that's new information. So was there a boundary set that he could have sex with other women?
No, no boundaries. If I can go out, run the train on girls, me and my homeboys, we could do all that.
You said that he could run trains on other women?
I didn't used to tell him as long as it wasn't no kissing, no nothing like that.
See, see, see?
Hold on, so you're saying that you said thatā
You already know men, they're gonna do what they want, so instead of him doing it behind my back, yes, yes, listen, listen, they are, they're gonna do what they want.
I was a one-woman man until she pushed me out the door. She told, listen, Iā Is that true?
So was he a one-woman, like he only wanted to be with you and then you're the one who encouraged him to be with someone else?
I didn't really encourage him.
Did you not push him out the door? Did you push me out the door and tell me go party? "Go hang with my boys." I was no partying guy, I did nothing.
I wanted to take him out. Why would you tell him to go party and to go hang with his boys?
Because he was always out.
Tell him about when I laid my coat down so you could walk over a puddle. Tell him about all that stuff. I was romantic at one time. Yeah.
Yeah, I was. How long, when did y'all meet? When did y'all meet?
2005.
2005. How old were y'all when y'all met? 'Cause 20 years. How old were y'all when y'all met?
He was 15.
I was going, yeah, I was 15.
You was 15, how old are you? You were 16?
20.
You were, oh, 20. Okay.
Yes, I'm a cougar.
Okay. So hold on.
Just look at him, come on.
So in my head I thought I was doing the right thing. Yeah, like what she told me to do. So I was out having fun.
Because you're saying you paid him no attention. You weren't, you didn't take, you took it for granted. And you told him to have sex with other women.
When this girl got in the picture, And it looked like it was serious, that's when it became a problem. And she got mad 'cause she was like, oh, and she was another white girl. That's what she said. So I'm like, well, what? Well, she wasn't mad when it was black girls. She said, I supposed to be your only white girl.
I've been the only white girl for so many years and it's like, okay, like I know his preference isn't really black girls. So white girls, it kind of like looked like, I was hurt. Like, wow, like we have all these kids. Like I wish you would have another baby with somebody else.
And she do not be in the house with my 6 kids by herself. So don't believe her 'cause I'm the best daddy in the world.
No, you are, you are a good dad.
They would tell you that. Does he help in the picture as well?
Oh yes, he's an amazing dad. I would never say he does nothing like that.
I'm just asking you guys. Do you talk about it?
Do you talk about the cheating and the affairs in front of the kids?
Yes, she put out kids and everything. They know about the other woman. I talk to my kids because I have nobody else to talk to.
