My Husband’s Baby Mama Is Denying My Child! | KARAMO

So tell me how you found out that Suli wanted a DNA test.

Basically, I got random text messages from his baby mama stating, "Don't believe nothing that Suli be talking about." I'm like, "What are you talking about? I'm lost." She was saying that, "Oh, he was saying that the baby not yours or not his and that DNA need to be had and that he don't believe that the baby his and if it is, he still is leaving." So first of all, we have the message that Suley wrote to his ex.

Let me see this. Okay, because I'm planning on leaving the mother of my child if she even has a baby. I'm not going to be with her, but a test will be had to make sure.

Yeah.

That had to have been devastating to hear that.

It was, due to the fact you're talking about me to your baby mama, the one that you claim you don't give a fuck about, and she this and she that, yet I'm your wife and you're talking about me like shit. Yeah.

You see that clarity? Wife. Wife. She said. So did you know that Suley had been in contact with his ex?

No.

Got it.

I wasn't because he made me aware that he wasn't talking. I told him to reach out to her because how you gonna be equipped for my baby if you're not equipped for your other kids? So I'm like, you need to reach out and you need to talk to her about your kids and you need to be there for their life.

Wow. So you're the one trying to mend relationships and then you find this out. Yes. Wow. Okay, so had Suley ever told you that he ever had doubts about your child?

No.

Never?

He never told me that he had doubts. It was planned.

And how long were you dating before you got married?

About 2 to 3 months.

2 to 3 months. Oh, so yeah.

Yes.

It was fast.

It was pretty fast.

Oh, it was real fast. Listen, y'all saw she looked back at that. She didn't say, "I'm aw." She didn't, "Aw." I saw you had no reaction when you saw that photo. What's the deal?

'Cause it was been ongoing issue since we got married. Red flag.

How long has it been now since y'all been married?

A year and a half.

A year and a half. Yeah. And so in that year and a half, y'all are basically You're actually trying to build a foundation now.

Yes.

But it's been a little rocky.

Yes.

Tell me how.

Ongoing battles. I didn't know he was an alcoholic. He also been belligerent, making a nuisance unto the community, slamming my doors, yelling, just being belligerent. And the biggest thing, crashing my car.

Yeah.

Totaled.

Have you ever cheated on Suley?

Yes.

You did?

I did.

Okay.

I regret it. However, I allowed my childhood friend to give me oral.

Got it, okay. Yes. And how did Suli find out that you cheated? Why are y'all so judgmental? Like y'all ain't grown folks getting oral too? Y'all ain't ready for that conversation though. We gonna get back to this.

So I was talking to my childhood friend about, you know, what I was going through or whatever. Things led to another and he performed oral. I did not perform it back to him and he did not.

But how did Suli find out?

I was having a miscarriage. I did not know I was pregnant at the time. In the process of having a miscarriage, he got my phone, he went through my phone.

And that's how he found out?

And that's how he found out.

Got it. Well, I think it's time to hear what Suli has to say about all this. Everyone, please welcome Suli to the show. How you doing, Suli?

All right, and yourself?

I'm good, thank you. So why were you texting your ex behind Jackie's back?

Well, in the beginning, she had told me to do it. You know, since she not letting you see your kids, play along with her and make it seem like play along like you want her and just so I can be able to see my children.

Did you say play along like you want her or did you just say play along?

I said play along like I know how females are, so play along, play the game.

Uh-huh, got it, okay, okay. I just wanna make sure I'm confirming the story. So, and so then what happened once you started playing along?

I told her no at first. I didn't wanna do it because I felt like it kind of felt a little off to me to do, and it's the mother of my children, so it was like, I really wanted to make a different type of connection and try and see my kids a different way. Like I wanted her to feel like it was genuine, you know what I mean? And it ended up working, you know, when I did it, I got to see my kids. I didn't do anything with my baby mama. Like it was no, like I was really on that. I just did what I did just so I could see my children.

God made me.

That's just the point. Why would he do it? You shouldn't have did it. From the get-go, you should have told me that you was gonna do it. If I'm telling you to do it, what's the motive of not telling me that you're gonna do it?

Yeah. So why are you having doubts about being the father of this baby?

Because due to the fact that she cheated on me in the beginning of our marriage, I was going through a very, very depressing time. I was drinking more than usual. I was, you know, doing things that, you know, normally is not me. And I just couldn't, you know—

You were trying to figure a way to cope.

Yeah.

Trying to figure it out.

Yeah, I was trying to figure out a way to cope. I ended up losing my job. I was going through a time and then I crashed the car.

I understand that, but it's not what you do, it's how you do it. You know, you gonna go through problems in your life. You gotta cope. Wait, hold on.

Can I talk? 'Cause you got to—

I'm allowing you to talk. However, I'm gonna talk too. Okay, you're getting your chance, but I'm just feeding off of your energy.

I was going through that time in my life where it was very, very hard for me. And it was hard for me to cope not being able to see my children. And I wanted to, for anything, you know what I'm saying? For everything, just to be able to hold and, you know, them to be a part of my life and my new life that I wanted to build. With my wife.

[Speaker] I get that. How did you find out, from your point of view, that Jackie had cheated on you?

[Speaker] We didn't even know that she was pregnant, but we had ended up, she ended up going to the hospital. They told her that the baby was stuck in a tube and that she would have to have a miscarriage. And I was sad about that. She ended up going into surgery and she handed me her phone And in the phone, I seen her sending pictures to this guy and then asking if he wanted to fuck again or however he said it or however she said it.

It wasn't like that per se.

Mm-mm.

And—

I feel like you adding on stuff.

Well, that's what I saw in the messages. But I had a very strong urge to go up there and cuss her out after and when she woke up and you know, I thought about it like, this is not a good look for me. So I took the decision and I left. I went back to the house, I packed up my stuff, and I went with my mom for a couple weeks or a week or so.

Got it. That makes sense to me. Do you have any inkling before that Jackie could have been cheating on you?

No.

'Cause you felt like everything was good?

I didn't feel like everything— I knew that we were having problems, but I didn't feel like it was— Everything was good. I didn't feel like it was to the point where she would—

My car was crashed. He was drinking consistently.

I didn't feel like it was that bad.

Acting belligerent, making a nuisance onto the community.

Can I finish what I need to say?

Bothering my tenants downstairs.

Can you respect my time?

I run a business.

Can I say what I need to say?

Proceed.

I didn't feel like it was that bad to the point where we would be on cheating on each other. I thought that, you know, she could understand that I am going through something in life and that I would need some extra help or some extra guidance from my partner. You know what I mean? That we're supposed to share.

And I was doing that.

That we're supposed to share.

And I set you down on the floor.

I needed a different type. I needed a different type. I needed a different type of support that I didn't feel that I was getting.

The guy didn't even [MASKED].

That doesn't matter. It's not a [MASKED] matter. We're married. It's a bond. It's a commitment.

It's a commitment.

Okay, it's a commitment that I wasn't there.

I was there.

It's a big flex. It's a big flex. When a man can say nobody has touched his wife, that is a big flex.

It starts with self as well, bro.

That is a big flex.

It starts with self as well. Like, I can lead you to the water, but if you choose not to drink it, what can I do?

Amen. We're also unlocking Jackie's phone today because you wanna fully trust her, correct? For sure. And you're hoping that at this point in your relationship that if she can unlock her phone, you can get all the answers you need. For sure. Okay, well, you know what? I got enough of understanding with this relationship. I think it's time to unlock the phone. Suli, we unlocked your phone. Here we go. Jackie, you wanna know if Suli is still communicating with his ex. He says he is not. My Unlock the Phone investigator searched his texts and found that Suli is telling the truth. Jackie, you wanna know if Suli is communicating with any women on social media. He says he is not. My locked-up phone investigator searched his DMs and found that Suli is telling the truth.

Yep.

Jack, do you wanna know if Suli has been communicating with any other woman at all? He says he is not. My locked-up phone investigator searched his calls. We also did a double search on deleted texts and found that Suli is telling the truth. How does it make you feel knowing that right now, since y'all have had this relationship, do you feel like—

I just wanna say I told you that I love you, baby. I never cheat on you, ever in my life.

I told the investigator from the get-go that he has other phones. He gave you the phone that you can't really see out of. So I'm not shocked.

My phone would've said the same thing because I'm not that type of person.

But did you give him the phone?

When I love somebody, I love 'em. It's just the way that I am. It's in my being.

Did you give him the phone?

It's who I am.

Never. Okay, well Jackie, we unlocked your phone. Actually Jackie, we didn't unlock your phone because you refused.

Really?

So Jackie, why did you decide to refuse to unlock your phone?

'Cause I don't feel like it's relevant to unlock it. We here for the DNA.

So you can have your secret messages in, you can Do whatever you feel like. It's just like, okay, I just feel like we're here.

You don't think the baby yours. You don't think Saleia is yours. We're here.

If you feel like there's nothing to hide, right? If there's nothing to hide, then why do you lock the phone?

That wasn't the equation of the unlock the phone deal.

Why do you feel like you can't unlock the phone? That's what I wanna know.

Well, I'm gonna tell you this.

What's the deal? I can't see.

Well, before we get into this DNA test, I gotta give y'all a little bit of what I noticed about this relationship right here because there's something that you said immediately that I think I need, that I wrote down immediately because it was a big piece for me. You looked at him and said, "I'm feeding off of your energy." But the real truth of this is that you're guiding this energy. I've been watching on how you've been structuring this. And this is not to say that he hasn't made mistakes. I hear the things that have happened, but I also noticed because you didn't have a foundation established, there was no communication, there was no clear respect, there was no clarity on if your values aligned. And along that path, you started to like guide it. I even watched on this stage, and again, this is not to knock you, I'm gonna get to you as well, But I also watched that where he said something and you were like, he wasn't even giving you an attitude. He just was speaking to you kindly, but because you was already feeling some ways, you hit him back with something tough. So when we're talking about how you feeding off the energy, there's a lot of this that he's just responding to you. We are here today because I understand his point of view. If I find out that you cheated, At least we gonna have transparency. But you're saying that like he gave one phone, you gave no phone. So again, like now what happens here?

I never asked for the phones to be in the equation.

I know you didn't ask and I know you did not ask. But the thing is, is that if this, what we always, our guide here or our point here is always to guide you to get the healthiest place. When I talk to my producers, I say, what is it gonna need to take so that these people can see that how they can build their relationship? That is in every daily meeting we have. And so if I know that he feels that there's distrust because you cheated and that you've lied about it, then there needs to be transparency to say, let's move forward. But when you don't give that, again, now he's gonna start feeding off your energy again. So I just wanna make sure you're clear about that. Now secondly, for you, I realized quickly in this relationship you didn't express quick enough to the woman that you fell in love with that you were drowning. And then you found a woman that you felt like, oh, we can build together. And instead of telling her, I don't have the tools, you let her get into a house with you and you don't even know how to build this up, which is unfair to you because you didn't know he was drowning when you got together, did you?

No.

That's what broke the trust for you because now the thing he tried to go do was build himself up, which I give you credit for that. You said, let me figure this out on my own. But then now it shattered the trust. So what I encourage you all to do if you're going forward in this marriage, is to go back to day one and start being honest about where you at, the things you're feeling, be honest about the things you need without saying, "I'm gonna be here to help you as well." You gotta help yourself, you gotta help yourself, but also reestablish what y'all values are in this relationship. And on top of reestablishing your values, I tell you, transparency is going to be the only thing that saves this relationship. Now we got a baby we gotta get to. So are you ready for the DNA truth?

Yes, I am.

All right. Jackie, I'm gonna have you come with me. All right, so Jackie, in this envelope is the DNA truth for your daughter. This has been something that you found out unfortunately through your partner's ex that he had doubts. This is your truth to open, not mine.

Before I open up this, I want to acknowledge to the whole world that I had no reason to lie about anything. I know who I slept with, and I know my kid's father.

What does it say?

It says Jackie Suley is Saleya's biological father.

Thank you. Thank you, Karamo. I'm happy. How do you feel knowing that's your biological daughter?

I feel great. I feel like there is more clarity now that I don't have to sit there and wonder in the back of my mind if she is mine or not. And I'm going to take care of her the best way that I possibly can on all 10. And you know, just do my job as a father.

Jackie, you've been vindicated, but I'm gonna say something. This is just my observation. You can tell me if it's your truth or not. When you were getting vindicated, you had an attitude about it because you've been frustrated. You've been frustrated that everyone's been talking about you and that you even on this stage probably. But you gotta remember this, the trust was broken. We know for a fact that you cheated. And though you say it was just oral sex, he was not in the room. So you have to remember that though it was frustrating to you because you're like, I know, this is where I go back to the transparency and the foundation wasn't built. He does not know. And if you want this marriage to work, if you want this love to work, you have to put yourself in his shoes as much as he has to put himself in your shoes with your frustration about my car, with your frustration about the drinking. These things need to happen, but it needs to happen with conversations and transparency. And that's the only way it's gonna work. I want this love to work. You know what I mean? I want it to work too. You want it to work too?

Yeah.

Tell her you want it to work.

I do. I really do want it to work 'cause Jackie, I love you. You are my only woman in my life. You've always been the woman in my life since we've been together.

Are y'all willing to get to some foundation work? Whatever house y'all been living in, it's time to tear it down and go back to day one. Turn to your partner and say, hi, nice to meet you. Hello. Hello.

Nice to meet you.

Nice to meet you as well. And I know it seems silly. I know it seems silly.

Haters.

But the thing is, is that at the end of the day, Y'all don't know each other as well as you could if you would've taken time to build a foundation. And I promise you, if you can do that, it's the first steps in building a foundation for a happy marriage and a happy family with your now daughter. Congratulations, all right?