In this KARAMO episode, host SPEAKER A mediates a heated conversation between Theisha and her husband John about allegations of infidelity. Theisha recounts a long‑term pattern of John’s “female friends,” past incidents of him being seen with naked women, and recent suspicious behavior such as disappearing for hours while claiming to care for his elderly father. She also describes catching John lying about his whereabouts and noticing porn‑related content on his phone. John repeatedly denies cheating, attributing his absences to caregiving duties and claiming he only answers calls from women when his wife asks him to. The show’s “Unlock the Phone” investigators conduct a forensic review: GPS data clears John of any suspicious location in December 2022, and phone logs show no communication with the two women Theisha named. However, investigators uncover 37 screenshots of older white women from porn sites, which John claims he never saw. The host interprets this as possible evidence of a sex‑addiction pattern, noting John’s high libido (he wants daily sex) versus Theisha’s reduced desire and need for validation. The host offers relationship coaching, urging John to focus on making Theisha feel loved and patient, while highlighting the couple’s intimacy mismatch, trust erosion, and the emotional toll of John’s caregiving responsibilities. The episode ends with both parties acknowledging the tension and the host’s advice to improve communication and emotional support.
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Why would John say he had so many female friends and they were naked? Talk to me about this.
Yeah, he used to have wang dang doodles at his house.
Not the wang dang doodles.
Yeah, even his dad told me he went over to one of his houses that one time, he knocked on the door and door opened up and he said he looked in and every female in there was naked. That's how—
What John doing? Okay.
Yeah. That's how it was. Even when me and him first, you know, when we first got together in the beginning, his phone would ring, ring, ring, ring. Anytime day or night. I mean, guys would call him like, you ain't got no girl for me to meet, do you? I mean, that type of thing. Oh, okay. You know, and so things like that. So I think, All those years, John was just, you know, he said he didn't have a, he wasn't serious with nobody.
Got it. John was Johnny.
John was John, you know? And so that's how he lived. But now that he has a wife, it's different now.
Yes, of course.
You know, and I have to remind him of that.
So why did you get married if there were these red flags?
Because he said that he, like I said, none of those, he said none of those girls he was serious with. I believed him. And then he said he wanted, he was tired of all of that. He wanted one woman that he can love, that can love him. He can feel it and she can feel it.
Okay. And what has marriage been like?
Someday, most days it's hard for me because he's always gone. You know, I get you, your dad sick. You know, you gotta take him to and from the doctors, whatnot. I get that. But to get up at 3, 4 in the morning to take him to the doctor's, then you with him all day long, all day long. I can go to work, I get off 4 or 5 o'clock, you pick me up from work, take me home, and then you gonna turn around and go back to your dad's house.
Have you ever caught him lying about seeing his father?
Yeah, I have. About a year and maybe 2 years ago, I picked up my granddaughter and her friend, we driving, we passed this garage. I look over and I seen Pops sitting with the fellas outside the garage. And I'm thinking to myself, where's John? He ain't nowhere. So I call him, I'm like, where you at? Oh, I'm out to dad's. I said, no you not, 'cause I just seen Pops over here. He was like, he said, no, I said I was on my way over there where Pops was. I was like, no you weren't, 'cause Pops ain't at home. He's not even at home.
And what did he say he was? Did he ever admit?
No, he didn't. He said he had to make a run to the gas station. He was on his way back over there, but that was bull crap.
Why does John think you are cheating? Because he's asking us to unlock your phone.
I don't know. John just talking. He know I ain't cheating. I don't go nowhere. I'm at home all the time. If I'm not at home, then I'm at work. He picked me up and dropped me off at work. I don't have no friends, so I don't go nowhere. So how am I cheating?
Yeah, okay.
It's just something he's saying because he know how I feel about him cheating.
So my producer told me that he goes to video chats or porn sites. How do you feel about that?
I don't like that. You know, I seen some like stuff on his phone 'cause sometimes I might, you know, lean over when he's on his phone and I seen some little porn stuff and I'm like, why is this always on your phone? I don't know, it just pops up on my phone all the time. I'm like, how do these little messages porn sites just pop up on your phone? 'Cause it don't just pop up on my phone.
Yeah, okay.
You know, so how's it just popping up on yours?
Yeah.
So.
So what will you do if you learn today that John is cheating on you?
If I learn that he is cheating on me, I'm done with John. I'm done. I'm not gonna live my life unhappy. I'm not gonna live my life in a cheating relationship. I deserve better than that.
Yeah. Well listen, you told my unlock the phone Investigators said you want to know several things, which is if John is cheating with two specific women, you want to know. If John was somewhere suspicious in December 2022, and if John has been cheating at all. Those are your questions.
Yes.
Well, I think everyone, it's time to hear what John has to say about this and get his side of the story. So have you been cheating on her?
No.
Let me ask you point blank.
No.
No, okay. So why are you disappearing?
My dad, I go take care of my dad.
Okay, so, but then she says that there's a time that she caught you 2 years into the relationship where you said you were with your dad, but you really weren't.
My dad, he's complicated. He wants this, he wants that, and I run for him. You know, he's 85 years old, so, you know, I try to do the best I can for him and her too and myself. You know, try to take care of all of us.
Okay, but she's saying she, in that moment, caught you.
She didn't catch you.
Yes, that day I called. I said, where you at? You said, I'm out at Pop's. I said, no you're not, 'cause Pop's over at the garage. You know what I'm talking about. You said, I said I was on my way over there. I said, your whole story changed.
I was on my way to get something for him, whatever it was.
See, that's what I'm talking about. It always changes.
I can't remember everything. I mean, you know, I be moving so fast.
Yeah, okay.
Okay.
Yeah, okay.
So why do you think Theisha is so suspicious of you?
She's probably cheating herself.
Do you really believe that?
No, but possible.
Possible, okay.
She never had a real man. That's her thing. She's always used to controlling her man, telling him what to do, this, that, and the other, and I'm not that one.
Okay.
That's not true, John.
Okay.
That's not true, John.
Everything I say is not true.
Okay.
You know what I mean?
Okay, okay. Do you still have female friends?
Well, they friends, but I don't see 'em. I mean, you know, they still call me. I don't call them.
Are you talking to the women on the phone when they call? Are you ignoring the calls?
Half the time I ignore 'em. Sometimes I talk. Some of the time she say, "Won't you answer? Won't you answer?" I don't wanna talk to 'em, you know? That's why.
Why do you encourage him to answer it?
Because to me, I feel like you're not answering their calls because it's something that they might say that you don't want me to hear. Because even though when he do talk to 'em on the phone, even though when he talk to 'em on the phone, they get ready to say something and he'll cut 'em off.
It's all in her mind.
Okay, so from you, why are you cutting 'em off and not letting them finish their statement?
'Cause they ain't talking about nothing.
Okay.
They ain't talking about nothing I wanna hear.
We're married though.
I don't even wanna talk to 'em.
But we're married.
The reason I answer the phone is 'cause she want me to.
Okay.
Not all the time, but we married and I don't think they should call at all, period. And then sometimes my momma call at 2 in the morning.
And don't want nothing?
You know, is that appropriate? No.
And do you pick up the phone at 2 in the morning?
Sometimes. When she tell me to.
Not always.
No, I don't always. Sometimes I'm asleep.
Do I answer?
Yes, you do.
How do you know if I'm asleep? If you sleep.
Okay. I'm listening. I'm listening.
Yeah, she sleep. See what I'm saying?
You still answer.
Yeah, right.
Okay.
Oh, come on now.
You told my producers you'd like to have more intimacy with your wife. Explain.
Intimacy?
Mm-hmm.
She don't, she don't.
I already know what he talking about.
Tell me what I'm talking about. Me, you said it. You know everything else.
You said it.
She don't like to do it enough.
Okay, and when you say enough, what are you saying?
Every day.
Every day.
No, I don't.
John, how old are you?
I'll be 67 next month.
So should she have any reason to be worried? Nope. None?
None. I ain't going backwards, I'm going forward.
Mm, okay. Yeah. Okay, well, I think it's time to unlock the truth.
Clap, baby, clap.
Theisha, you told my Unlock the Phone investigators you wanna know Jon is communicating with two specific women. Jon says he is not. My Unlock the Phone investigators searched his phone and found that he is telling the truth. There is no suspicious activity with these two women in his phone. Okay. Theisha, you want to know if Jon was somewhere suspicious in December of 2022. John said he was not. My unlock the phone investigator searched his GPS and found that he is telling the truth. He was not anywhere suspicious December 2022. Thesea, you want to know if John was cheating. John says he is not. My unlock the phone investigator searched his phone and found something very interesting. It's not cheating, but it is 37 screenshots of other women from porn sites. Can you bring this to me? Because let me see first, 'cause I need to see, 'cause I need to understand what's going on. Okay, I understand why. The women that you've been gaining from these sites don't look nothing like your lady. They are particularly older white women.
I ain't never seen them.
Well, these are screenshots from your phone.
I don't know.
See, this is what I'm talking about. Why is all this on his phone? This ain't on my phone.
Okay, okay. Well, I think the reason that they wanted me to see that is because of the fact, John, because they look so different. Do you have a fetish for older white women?
No.
Okay, well, they all white women you done screenshot.
Probably my brother-in-law Darryl had my phone.
What?
Okay.
Darryl has been passed away for what, a year now, 2 years now? So don't blame it on the dead. Don't blame it on the dead.
Well, I will tell you this, John, my producers told me you said you want to unlock Theisha's phone as well, but you didn't have any real reasons to be suspicious. So when we asked you specific questions of what do you want us to look for, you didn't have anything.
Yeah, might as well. She did mine.
Or can we agree to toss this out? Because we have this right here, but there's no need for it. I already know what that is. I dissected this very quickly. John, there was, and I'm not saying this is true because I need to be with you some more, but there are symptoms of someone who has sex addiction. Someone who likes sex, wants it all the time. You're a 66-year-old man and I love that your libido is still working. You said you want sex every single day, all right? But now you have a woman who's telling you that she doesn't want that. She doesn't want to have the same sex. She doesn't want to have that 'cause she doesn't have that addiction potentially. And now, and so now, say it again.
He presses me.
It presses you.
And then he says, yes, you do, you press me. Rather it's oral or whatever, he presses me. And then when I don't want to, somebody else will.
Got it. So this is where we're gonna get to. Because this is going to cause the insecurities and This is gonna cause arguments, insecurities. If I know my man wants sex all the time, and I know he came from a history of being around naked women, these women are still calling, and even though he's not picking up the phone, they're still calling. If I'm not giving you the sex that you're asking for, I'm gonna start feeling like, well, of course he gotta be getting it from somewhere else.
Right. And it's, and I do, it's at times I do wanna have sex with John. I love having sex with John. I do. You know, but it's other reasons why. And he knows these reasons why.
Okay.
You know what I'm saying? And I'm in the process of trying to get that straightened out. He know that. So don't press me.
John, I believe that you're a faithful man.
Yeah, I am.
I do believe that.
A lot of me is just talk, but I love her. I wouldn't do nothing to her.
I do believe that. I do believe that. But I think that what you have to understand, John, is that Your wife is telling you what she needs is more validation. She needs a little bit more patience right now. She needs you to understand that she would love to fulfill your desires the way that you want her to fulfill them. But she's in a space right now that she's working towards that. Women have different bodies, have different things that they have to deal with than we have to deal with. And sometimes as men, it's not as easy for us just to understand because we're looking at our needs. We're looking at the fact that I want it today and you telling me that I can't get it today and now I can't get it tomorrow and I can't get it next day. "And it seems like, well, when is my needs? Why I gotta be patient for you?" But that's part of the partnership. That's part of the love. That's part of the respect is saying, "I got your back. Whether we have sex today or we don't have it for another 10 weeks, I'm still gonna be here and I'm gonna assure you." She knows that. She does, but then there's a piece of her that is questioning it. I believe you're a good man, but I'm trying to help you to understand just a little bit of what might be going on in your wife's head. Am I hitting it?
You right, you right. Because when we do have sex, how is it?
You see stars.
John, I want you to do something for me because this is gonna help y'all's relationship. This is really gonna help y'all's relationship. I just don't want you thinking about making love. I want you thinking about making her feel loved. Okay?
