In this episode of The Karamo Show, siblings Topaz and Indi, along with their mother Donna, discuss a heated dispute surrounding Indi's gender transition and her involvement in Topaz's upcoming wedding. Topaz claims she invited Indi to be a bridesmaid and insists she wants Indi present despite alleged discomfort from the groomsmen about holding Indi's hand. Indi accuses Topaz of painting her as homophobic and says the issue was blown out of proportion. The conversation escalates as Donna interjects, defending herself against accusations that she tried to obtain full custody of Topaz's children, called Child Protective Services, and pursued grandparents' rights. The hosts, Speaker D and Speaker E, moderate, clarify statements, and probe the family dynamics. Throughout, each participant accuses the others of being toxic, manipulative, or unfair, while the hosts attempt to keep the dialogue focused. The episode highlights the complexities of family relationships when a member transitions, the clash of personal expectations for wedding roles, and the lingering legal battles over child custody and visitation.
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You're painting a picture as if I'm homophobic. And one thing I'm not is homophobic. I asked you, can you be a part of my wedding? Correct? I did not ask you. I said, can you be a bridesmaid? Correct? Okay. Okay. It was 5 men that were the groomsmen. Okay?
Okay.
They already knew you before you even transgendered over. So it's not my point to be like, oh, you're the man.
No, you made it seem like you told them.
You blew it out of proportion. You blew it out of proportion. No, I did not.
I even asked you. I said, I don't care what nobody has to say.
I want you to be a part of my wedding.
You did not say all of that.
No, the fuck I did.
And then I asked you.
You did not say all of that.
If you don't wanna be in the way, keep sitting in the back.
Or we would not be here right now.
Keep sitting in the back, okay?
Because I want you there.
You did not say all of that or we would not be here.
I asked you.
I am not homophobic at all, so do not try and paint that picture that I am, 'cause I'm not.
Homophobic, homophobic, homophobic.
And you know that. You know that. I used to help you do your wigs, your makeup, everything.
What about those other comments?
I can't have you in the audience.
What other comments?
That was the first thing you said.
What are you talking about?
Topaz, you said she blew it out of proportion. What happened?
I asked her to be a part of my big day, right? I'm not playing the victim. She agreed, okay. My husband's groomsmen, they already know Indi prior to her transgendering over.
Transition, yes.
Transition, yes. So with that being said, I said Indi, they had a problem with holding her hand. That was the only issue, okay. I said, you know what? I don't even care about none of that shit. If they got a problem holding your hand, I still want you walking in my wedding. I don't have a problem with that at all. Yes, I did.
Because if you would've said all of that, I would've still attended. You missing a point.
But you just told them that you're wrong and you know you wrong, Topaz. Topaz, you wrong and you know you wrong.
Mind your business and sit your ass down.
Mind your business. Mind your business. Mind your business. You need to mind your business. Mind your business.
Mind your business.
That's why I'm here.
Donna, I wanna welcome you to the show.
Thank you for being here. Thank you.
These are your daughters and clearly I just saw immediately that there's tension between you and Topaz because of the way that you all communicated there. What's going on and what has happened from your perspective?
What's happening? If it don't go Topaz's way, it's the highway. With Topaz, she's always right. She always likes to bring up the past, which is wrong 'cause we all have a past at the end of the day. The end of the day, I'm your mother, missy. Hello?
Oh, you talking to me?
Yeah, I'm talking to you. Oh, okay. And when things don't go her way, I don't get to say nothing. I didn't see my grandchildren.
Mom, you just put me, you just put papers out on me and my, on my children to try and get full custody. No, no, I didn't try to get full custody.
I did not try to get full custody. Yes, you did.
You tried to drag me in my husband's court 'cause you couldn't see the kids.
Grandparents' rights. I tried to see grandparents' rights.
'Cause I wasn't expecting this part right here, and now something new has opened up.
She's a trifling drunk.
That's what you are. First of all, I'm not a drunk. I don't even drink anymore, sweetie.
So you said that you, you're saying that your mother called CPS on you and you're saying that you requested grandparents' rights?
No, I didn't call CPS on her.
Okay, so you requested grandparents' rights?
Yes, through the court. She didn't want visitation.
She wanted full custody with the paperwork. But when grandparents' rights are requested, it's usually saying that the parent is delinquent in a way. It's not actually about just me getting visitation. It doesn't work the same way as it works like in a custody battle between two people. So were you aware of that?
No, I wasn't aware of that. And when I became aware of that, I dropped it.
Got it. Okay then, got it. So you found out that—
No, you couldn't prove abuse and neglect, so the charges were dropped.
I dropped it. I said you are a phenomenal mother. Y'all all ganging up on me.
This is what I mean with you. Me and India are sitting here having a conversation, and instead of you being a mother and saying y'all need to work this out and get it together, you're immediately jumping to her side.
No, I'm not jumping on nobody's side. I'm not jumping on nobody's side. I'm on both of y'all's sides.
No, you're not.
I'm on both of y'all's sides.
You just jumped to defense mode just now.
Well, I apologize. I apologize.
It sounds like she feels like she gets ganged up on by people.
I do.
And that's not the case. That's not the case.
She's a toxic person. She's a big mother and she likes to turn all of us against each other.
So you say. No, I don't turn y'all against each other.
You like to turn all of us against each other.
No, I don't.
That's exactly what you do.
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