My Wife Cheated In The Beginning, Is She Cheating Now?! | KARAMO

Please tell me, how did you find out that your wife cheated on you?

I was at home, normal typical day, and I always notice, I said, why she always keep putting that phone to the side? So she said, I wanna make some pizza rolls. So she get up, make the pizza rolls. I get up with her, I turn, I grab the phone and hurry up and come back. I'm going through the DMs, everything. I see the text message say, thank you for having a good night with me the other day. Other day? What was that?

Yeah.

So I'm saying to myself, what is all this about? She finally gets up and say, what are you doing? Give me my phone.

Yeah.

I say, what phone?

Yeah. Who is this?

She don't want to hear it. She don't want to hear it. Give me my phone. Give me my phone. Give me my phone. Who is this? What was the other night? I don't remember no other night. I don't know no other night.

Oh.

I don't know why people just don't own it. It's been caught. Just own it. Say, yeah, you got it. And just go for it.

Absolutely.

So I'm assuming she finally admitted that she had been cheating on you?

She admitted it. She finally admitted after about 10 hours.

10 hours, finally admitted.

I done ate the food. I ate the food, she's still like, "Why you going through my phone? Why did you do it?" Yeah. "Why are you cheating though? You said I was one of the best persons ever been in your life. Why would you do that to me? I'm doing everything for you." Yeah. "I'm paying the rent. I'm doing everything." Yeah. "And I'm going out skateboarding every day and making my money coming home to you and you gonna do me like that?" Yeah. So, you know, I told her, you want to do what you want to do, I'll leave. She didn't want that.

Got it, got it. She didn't want that. No, not at all. You're a skateboarder?

Yes, sir.

How long you been skateboarding?

About roughly about 20 years.

Oh, nice. That's what's up.

Congrats. Oh, wow.

Hey, all right. I see you.

I see you.

I'm pretty good.

I'm pretty good.

Yeah, I see you pretty good.

I try.

Yeah, yeah.

I try.

So I got to ask you this. After you find out your girl's cheating on you, after she lies about it, why did you decide to still marry her after that?

To be honest with you, Karamo, I'm not even gonna lie to you. It just, I felt like when I first met her, nobody never treated me the way she did. I felt like, you know, she gave me respect. You know, she had my back. Like, I never had nobody, I never really had a lot of family. So like when I met her, it was like she made me feel comfortable.

Okay, let me just challenge something with you really, real quickly. Because you said that when you stayed with her because she gave you respect and you had never felt like this before. But in essence, did she give you respect? Because she was cheating on you and she lied to you.

No, she really didn't.

So I just think about that. So when did you suspect that she cheated again?

Like I said, I was out skateboarding, doing what I usually do.

Yeah.

So I just got a gut feeling. I said, "She doing something." Yeah. 'Cause it don't seem like to me that Yeah. You know, I'll call her, "I'll call you right back." What are you doing? You stay at home, you don't do nothing. Yeah, and when I finally came to it, I came to it with it, here we go again. "You don't know what you're talking about. You're crazy. You need counseling. Something's wrong with you." All this, just always basically wanted me to be the bad guy and never admit to anything that she doing wrong.

So was she doing anything that second time?

Yeah.

She was.

Yeah.

Okay, and what happened in September?

Oh wow. So me and her have an argument and I asked her, I said, "Why you be acting all weird and stuff?" You know, acting like I'm always doing something to you. She said, "You need to mind your business. I'm tired of you. I'm tired of this marriage." Just flat out just letting me have it. So I said, "Where this coming from?" I say, "You got something to hide?" She said, "Nope." I waited till she went to sleep again. I grabbed her phone. I go on the phone, I read a message say, "When you gonna come hang out with us?" Who was us? So I wake her up. "What are you doing? Get up. What's this? What's this?" Yeah. "Why you going through my phone? How you know my password? You need to mind your business. We married, you ain't got no business." Yeah, yeah.

"It's us." Yeah, it's us.

"You ain't got no business. We in the house together." Yeah. "What business you got?" Exactly.

Does she accuse you of cheating?

All the time.

Okay, and why?

'Cause the past, I did some stuff in the past too. I'm not perfect, I'm not no saint. Okay.

Do you two have kids? 'Cause I heard you said a baby earlier.

Yeah, we have a child together.

One child together.

Yeah, a 3-year-old daughter.

Do you two ever, oh, she's adorable.

Thank you.

Do you two ever fight in front of the kid?

Absolutely not. 'Cause I feel like, you know, the kids will grow up resenting me or they might think it's comfortable, it's nice, it's cool to do that. I don't believe that.

Good job, I'm glad.

I always try to just distance myself from that type of stuff.

Okay, great. Do you wanna save this marriage?

Yeah, I do. I love my wife. She love my life. I love her. It just, I hate that she don't know how to apologize.

Well, I wanna meet your wife and hear her side of the story. So everyone, please welcome Robin to the show.

I never had, I don't have time to say sorry because you're always running your mouth.

You said what?

I don't have time to say sorry because you're always talking.

But you are, you don't never, see.

Hi Robin, how you doing?

Hi, how are you Karamo?

I'm okay. Are you cheating on Markell?

No, I'm not cheating on him. I did at the beginning of the relationship.

Why?

For a good 6 months.

For 6 months, okay.

Why?

Because first of all, why? Because when we started hanging out, we were friends.

Oh, no.

And I was already dealing with somebody else. So he came around as a friend.

Okay.

And then was like, I developed feelings for you. That's really what that was. You need to stop lying. You need to stop doing that.

Okay.

You need to stop lying.

No way. From your opinion, do you feel like he brings it up all the time?

Every time we get into an argument, he brings it up.

No, I bring it up 'cause I ain't mean to cut you off. Every time.

See?

See?

No, no, listen.

No, let me finish because he asked me a question. He didn't ask you.

Okay.

Like I said, he's constantly running his mouth. I can't get anything out. And then when I try to, I just shut the fuck down because I don't wanna hear what he got to say. I don't care no more at that point.

Have you cheated on him since that moment?

No.

Okay, no, not you haven't.

Saw some unsavory things in my phone.

See what I'm saying?

She admitted to that. But I didn't cheat on him.

Okay, so even after you did cheat for those 6 months, you then still entertained conversations that were—

She did.

I still saw the person a few times.

Okay, so you cheated on him.

She did that a lot.

She did that a lot. She's sitting up here making it seem like, see, that's what she do. She always trying to make it seem like she ain't did nothing wrong and put it off on me. I'm the one who always talking the most. I'm always doing this. She don't never take the responsibility to just say, "Okay, I might have messed up that one time." She don't do that. She always wanna argue about it. She just came out here. She like, you came out here, you need to shut up.

Well, how often did you, from your opinion, how often do you argue?

Uh, probably like 3 or 4 times a week.

3 or 4 times a week you argue?

A lot.

No, no, no, no. We argue 3, 4 times maybe out the month. She exaggerating. 'Cause half the time I be at work trying to get the money She called me at work with a whole bunch of stuff that I don't even know what she talking about.

Is that true?

Yep.

Sometimes, sometimes.

Sometimes, okay.

Not all the time.

Yeah, okay then. Have you ever apologized for cheating?

I have.

Tell the truth, tell it.

No, you, I said I was sorry.

You ain't never said you was sorry for nothing.

So why does he believe you haven't said it? Why does he believe that?

I probably, but this was 4 years ago, you gotta realize that.

It don't matter, you still never apologized.

I apologized to him. He probably just don't remember.

I remember.

Something wrong with him.

If your husband is saying, I don't feel like I got an apology, wouldn't it be easier just to say, let me sit you down and give you the apology you want?

Thank you. I would, yeah.

Thank you. This is a problem.

But I felt like I've already done it.

She has not.

Because you've already done it, you're like, I don't need to do it again.

She has not done none of that, Karamo. She has not done nothing. What she has done is disrespect me on a daily basis when she get mad. When I was skateboarding, I was sponsored. When I, she was going with picking up all that money. When that money stopped, that's when the attitude changed.

Is that true?

Yes, it is true.

Say it again, can you say it louder? It's true.

So why did the attitude change?

He just stopped making the money that he was making and I got irritated because even before the team dropped him for the skateboarding team. She love saying that. I told him that he needs to go out and get a real job because the skateboarding thing wasn't gonna last him forever. Which he did.

Yeah, but then he—

Then he got fired from that job.

See, I can't deal with her.

But why would you get upset that the money was gone and then your behavior changed? Because if you've made a commitment with him to be his wife, you're saying that we're gonna figure things out together no matter what, whether the money is up or down. And it sounds like even when the money was down, he still was—

Doing everything for you.

But that was before we got married.

Okay, that was before you got married.

Yeah.

When I got sponsored, way before, I was sponsored before I met her. She know that. Because when I first met her, what she said, we were friends, ask her who was paying our rent.

We were together then.

No, how we together? You was inviting another man to the house.

We still were together.

I didn't know nothing about it.

So that's true. So you were, he was paying your rent during that time and that's when you were having an affair with the other man at your house?

He only paid it twice, but yeah.

But did you have a man at your house when I paid your rent? Yes or no? That's what he asked you.

Okay. Don't go around the question.

Do you accuse him of cheating?

You ever cheated too?

I have, but I don't anymore.

Okay, 'cause you don't feel like he's cheating?

If he was, ain't nothing I could do about it. I just really don't care.

So you wouldn't care if your husband was cheating?

No.

Oh my God.

She lying.

'Cause he trifling anyways.

Well, I think it's time to unlock the phones.

You unlocking both phones? Hold on.

Here we go. Robin, we unlocked your phone. You made a face. What was that face about?

Nothing.

Oh, I understand the face. Robin, you refused for us to unlock your phone. So Robin, why would you not allow us?

Hold on.

I refused for him to unlock my phone because he went through my phone back in September and he broke it. What do that got to do with you wanting to unlock the phone? I didn't want to do it.

Why?

'Cause I didn't want to.

What you got to hide?

I have nothing to hide.

Then why wouldn't you unlock the phone?

Because there's nothing in there. You know the shit.

When he went through your phone in September.

She ain't never had the passcode to my phone though.

I don't know your password. You so secretive with that. I do not know your password.

He said when you went through the phone in September that he did find something. There was a message of you saying, "Let's hang." Who was that?

One of my friends that—

Okay.

A friend that you talk to?

Yeah.

That we were getting on?

Nah, you need to quit lying.

Were you getting intimate with this friend or mostly?

No, no, no, no.

Were you getting emotionally close with this friend?

No.

Did you ever explain to him who the ass was?

Man or woman? I told him, I told him that, he knows.

Okay, do you know?

Nope.

Got it. See, the only reason, so again, people know this. I don't know anything. The reason I came up with Unlock the Phone is because it then allows transparency if the relationship is gonna ever be healed. Because now once we have it all out there, we're able to say, oh, the people you were talking to was this person, this person, this person, this is how long you were talking. And it gives transparency, so now everyone's in the open. But now there's no transparency.

Absolutely.

Okay, well, Markell, we unlocked your phone. Robin, you wanna know if Markell has been on any dating apps. Markell says he has not been. My Unlock the Phone investigator searched his apps and found that Markell is telling the truth.

Thank you.

I ain't out here doing none of that.

How you gotta yell in my face?

'Cause you always trying to accuse me of doing something.

'Cause you—

Don't do that.

Don't do that.

Well, where the fuck you at? Robin, you wanna know if Markell has been DMing other women. Markell says he's not. My locked phone investigator searched his DMs and found that Markell is telling the truth.

You told me I be on Instagram and Facebook being thirsty. You just don't wanna unlock your phone. You got something to hide.

Robin, you wanna know if Markell has been texting other women.

Yeah.

Markell says he has not. My unlock the phone investigator searched his texts and found that Markell is telling the truth.

Okay, good for you.

I love folk. Good for you.

But my investigator left me a note saying that he did find 36 text messages between you two that he needed me to see. Can I see them?

Between me and my—

From wifey, "You don't act like a husband, so therefore I don't treat you like," and the blank marriage, "I don't even wanna be married to you." Oh God. This is less than 4 weeks ago.

Yep. She say that often.

Well, the reason of that is I actually did file for divorce in April and he ripped the papers up in my face.

Okay, got it.

Mm-hmm.

Okay. So I'm gonna give you a psychology term, okay?

Yes, sir.

And it's important that you hear this. It's called limerence. And limerence is where you create a fantasy in your mind about a relationship that's actually not happening. And you have created a fantasy in your mind about this relationship. And this happens a lot when people who don't have love growing up, they try to find love or put love in places that it's actually not anymore.

Yeah.

And I'm gonna tell you from my professional experience, that's what you're suffering from. I can see it and every single one of these people in this audience can see your wife is checked out. Your wife is unhappy. She don't want you to be there. I'm busting the bubble for you.

Yeah, let her go.

Hear me out. She already let you go. So it's not about you letting her go, it's about accepting the reality of the relationship. Do you wanna talk to your husband and be real with him? 'Cause we can all see it.

She's done.

You're done?

She don't have too much to say as usual.

Yeah, I don't.

You're done?

There's times that I am, there's times that I'm not.

Okay, that is a fear statement. So what is the fear? Is it financial?

It's financial. We've been together for so long.

So it's financial.

And it's the fact that we've been together for so long.

It's financial.

I'm used to him. Tell her again. Thank you, Karamo.

Yep.

So you're hearing now, she's only staying for the finances.

Yeah, yeah, I mean, I'm not even gonna lie to you, Karamo, in the past she has said that.

So it's time for you to wake up. So the thing is, the reason that I can't come down on her fully right now is because she's being very transparent about what she wants and how she feels. It is you who are living in a fantasy world. You said you don't argue in front of your kids because y'all don't want your kid to see that.

Yeah.

And so I wanna ask you this, if your daughter was with a man in 20 years and that man was sitting on the stage saying, "I don't want you, I'm just around for your money," would you say to your daughter, "Stay with him"?

No, absolutely. I'd tell her to run as fast as you can.

Go ahead.

We go. All right, I'm gonna tell you.

So I say that to say, model that behavior because then there could be a healthier co-parenting and then your daughter will be raised and say, "Oh, what a healthy relationship is. I leave when I'm not happy." and I prioritize myself and I grow and I be better.

Yeah.

That's the advice that I'd give to y'all too. I wish you the best of luck. Continue to be honest with him about you feeling as you already have been. And you gotta wake up from the fantasy, brother.

Thank you, Karamo.

All right, listen, make sure to come back next time, friends, so we can keep talking and growing. I love you all.