My Wife Died...I'm Too Old For These Games! | KARAMO
In this episode of Karamo’s talk‑show, Crystal confronts her fiancé Carnell, accusing him of cheating after noticing late‑night phone calls, unusually long dog walks, and coworkers claiming he’s not showing up for work. Carnell, a widower of ten years, defends himself, saying the walks are for clearing his head and that his late calls are work‑related. The host, Karamo, offers to "unlock the phone" to verify claims. An investigative team examines Carnell’s GPS, app usage, call logs, and texts, finding his location data consistent with his statements and his apps showing no dating activity, but uncovering a single ambiguous text from an unknown number. The same investigation is then applied to Crystal’s phone, revealing an active Tinder account, frequent visits to an adult‑escort website, and hundreds of explicit text exchanges where she offered sex for money. The host uses this evidence to shift moral judgment onto Crystal, labeling her behavior as immature and accusing her of gaslighting. The episode concludes with Karamo and his co‑host urging both parties to reflect, suggesting Carnell’s grief over his late wife may be influencing his decisions, and warning Crystal that her actions are disrespectful, ultimately siding with Carnell.
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I feel like my boyfriend is cheating on me.
Okay.
You know, he's starting to, he has late night phone calls. Like 2 o'clock in the morning.
Yeah.
He'll walk the dog for like 5 minutes. It's supposed to be like a 5-minute walk and it'll take him like 2 hours to come back. You know, and—
5 minutes to 2 hours, that's a long time.
Yes.
What's his excuse? What is he saying?
Well, he just start trying to deflect it like, oh, You know, he's like, I'm doing something, then you must be doing something.
Got it. But where does he say he's at for 2 hours?
'Cause—
He doesn't.
He just deflates.
He just say, oh, I was just walking the dog. He wanted to walk long, longer.
Got it. And how long y'all been together?
We've been together for 2 years.
2 years together. Yes. Okay then. And how did you meet?
We met at work. We both worked at a factory 2 years ago and you know, his wife had just passed away. So he—
How long was he married?
He was married for like 10 years.
10 years.
Okay then.
So it was a long term.
Yes.
Okay.
You know, I was like a shoulder to cry on and you know.
And so was it a good relationship these past 2 years?
Yes.
It's been great.
He was like the perfect gentleman. And I'm just sad that all of a sudden he just switched up on me, you know? And he just like shut me out. He started getting distant and you know, he don't talk to me no more.
What did your coworkers tell you?
The coworkers told me that he's either going to work late or he's not showing up at all.
Got it. Oh wow.
So I wanna know why you're going to work late.
Wow. Not showing up at all? And does he tell you that he's going to work?
Yes.
So he says, "I'm at work," and then the coworkers are like, "He didn't show up today, girl." Yes.
Or he's late.
Do you go through his phone?
No, he has it locked.
Does he ever compare you to his late wife?
Yes, he does that often. So he'd be like, "Oh, if my wife was still around, I'll be doing this." Yeah, and it's just too much.
Wow, wow, wow. And have you and Carnell talked about marriage?
Yes, he actually proposed to me.
Oh, you're engaged?
Yes.
Oh wow, congratulations.
Thank you.
Well, congratulations maybe. We'll see if this is a test case.
Yeah, yeah, if I find out he's cheating on me, then I'm giving him his ring back.
So you said if you find out that he's cheating on you, you're giving the ring back?
Yes. He can have this ring back, I don't need it.
Got it, got it. Have you ever confronted him about his alleged cheating?
Yes, and he just like deflect. Like he be like, oh, since people that accuse are the ones that's doing it. So now he wants to unlock my phone because I wouldn't unlock his phone.
Have you ever cheated on him in the past?
No, I've never cheated on him.
Okay, never cheated on him.
Okay, all right.
How's your relationship with Carnell's family?
Distance. I met his daughter a couple of times, but How old is the daughter? She's 32, so we're kind of in the same age group. So she, I feel like she has a problem with that.
Do you see a problem with your age difference?
No, I don't think so, 'cause age is nothing but a number, you know? So.
Age is nothing but a number, but.
And we fell in love, yes.
But hold on, because I've heard people say this a long time, age ain't nothing but a number, but there is significant changes that happen mentally and emotionally with that number.
Yeah.
And so yes, you can be 20 years apart, but like the emotional changes Emotional maturity, the honesty, the way that people interact in life, those things are significantly different.
Yeah.
Well, Crystal, you asked my unlock the phone investigator to unlock Carnell's phone because you wanna know if Carnell has been making any extra stops on his way home from work.
Yes. And text messages.
If Carnell's using any dating apps and if Carnell has been receiving calls from other women late night. And if Carnell has been receiving inappropriate texts from other women.
Yes.
Got it. Well, Crystal's boyfriend Carnell is here, so everyone please welcome Carnell to the show to hear his side of the story. Carnell, thank you for being here. Thank you for being here, sir.
Hi, nice to meet you.
Nice to meet you as well. So how do you feel about what Crystal just said?
Baby, I'm not cheating on you. I love you and I do want us to get married. I've never cheated on you. I haven't been cheating on you or none of that. When I take my walks, I take my walks just to be, you know, clear my head. I got a lot of things on my mind.
Okay, well I understand that, but if that's the case, then you should communicate that with me. You know, don't make me feel like you're cheating on me. And you asked me to marry you.
She said that her coworkers said that you're not really showing up for work. Is that true?
No, that's not true. It's a big plant and sometimes I'm in a different area of the plant, so I don't see everybody. They don't see me all the time.
Yeah.
Now why are your coworkers telling me that you're going to work late or you're not going to work?
Why are they in my business anyway? Our relationship is none of their business.
Well, you're not communicating with me, so. What I'm supposed to do.
Well, I mean, don't believe them.
You still wanna get married to Crystal?
Yes, I do.
Yes, okay then, okay then. Well, we're getting a ping with Karamo.
They do not.
Carnell's daughter, Latia. So let me see what Latia has to say.
Hi Karamo, I'm Latia, I'm Carnell's daughter. I just wanna say that this relationship between Crystal and my dad, it should not be happening. This is ridiculous that she's accusing my dad of cheating when she's the one probably out here doing whatever she wants to do. For one, she's, she's just way too young. She's still in her party days. She still wants to go out. She still wants to go be free, but then have him paying all of her bills. This is ridiculous that she's talking about marriage and kids. They don't— my dad does not need any more kids. She's got my dad paying all of her bills. She's not stepping up to the plate as a woman. And in my opinion, they shouldn't even be together.
So she thinks you're still in your party days. Are you still in your party days?
Yes, but first of all—
She said yes. You said yeah.
I wanna react to that because first of all, I have two jobs. He does not pay my bills. She's lying on that. And for one, she's disrespectful. She's annoying as shit and she disrespectful. Like she needs to mind her business.
Got it. Carnell, how do you feel about what your daughter just said?
Well, I'm with Crystal and I wanna be with Crystal. I understand my daughter doesn't like the relationship and that, but that's not for her to decide, so.
Well, how do you feel about what Crystal just said when she said like, they made these comments about your daughter?
Maybe it is, I don't know.
It's so funny because I have, my discernment is telling me one thing and I'm just really ready to unlock these phones to get the truth of it.
Congratulations, man.
All right, well it's time to go. It's time to unlock the phone. Carnell, we unlocked your phone. All right. So Crystal, you wanna know if Carnell has been making any extra stops on his way home from work. Carnell says he is not. My Unlock the Phone investigator searched his GPS and found that Carnell is telling the truth. Crystal, you wanna know if Carnell is using any dating apps. Carnell says he is not. My Unlock the Phone investigator searched his apps and found that Carnell Karamo is telling the truth. Crystal, you wanna know if Carnell has been receiving calls from other women late at night. Carnell says he is not. My unlock the phone investigator searched his calls and found that Carnell is telling the truth. Crystal, you wanna know if Carnell has been receiving inappropriate texts from other women. Carnell says he is not. But Unlock the Phone investigator searched his texts and found that he's not telling the truth with this one. We have one text in the monitor.
Wow.
Hey Anthony, it's nice to see you. I'll see you tomorrow. He says, hey, you finally text me, huh? Hi, yes, but I got to get to sleep now. I don't want to be too tired for work in the morning. Okay, I'll talk to you then. Good night, sweet dreams. So that was the extent of it. There was nothing more. There was nothing more past this.
Really, Carnell? Who the fuck is that?
And let's be clear, this text was only Monday, this past Monday.
Sunday.
So there's nothing like that been going on.
Who is this?
I couldn't tell you who it is because I don't know the number.
You don't know the number?
I don't.
So who's texting? Who are you?
Well, you said you probably text me. You probably text me.
Somebody's texting you, you're texting them back. So you're lying?
No, I'm not lying.
Tell me the truth.
I'm telling you, I don't know who it is.
Who the fuck is this bitch texting you?
I don't know.
Wow.
So you just don't know? You're shutting me out. You're not gonna tell me the truth?
Look, I don't know who it was that texted me and I don't—
I actually believe that you are telling the truth. I actually believe, I really do believe, I really do. And I'm a pretty good judge of character. I'm a pretty great judge of character. And I truly do believe that like he probably was trying to have an interaction with somebody. They probably did not text him for the longest. They finally text back. He say, oh, you text me back? And then this was the extent. If you notice something else, It says it's unread. So he hasn't even read this yet. So I do believe that—
It don't make sense though. It's weird like how you just suddenly get a text if you're not messing with nobody at work.
I'm not messing with anybody at work. I'm not exactly sure who that's from. But as like you said, I ain't really read it.
You said it right in her face. Dude, it's obviously something.
No, it's nothing.
Well, outside of that, we do know, what we do know is that he's not going anywhere after work, that he's not, The late calls that he has have all been for work numbers. It hasn't been for any other number. So from based on your questions, and I can't say that I know what you're doing the rest of your life, but based on what you're asking, the late night calls are for work. The going, coming home, he's just there. Even when he walked the dog, GPS shows us around the corner and then come right back. We don't get anywhere extra when he's with his phone to say that he's going somewhere else.
I'm just thinking about— And just get this random text.
The only thing that we have is this random text. And again, this text doesn't, for me personally and professionally, doesn't give me pause for anything. Like the fact that it was, hey, oh, you text me back and then no response, don't even open it. That don't give me anything that—
Well, it's because his phone was broke though, so maybe that's why.
Possibly, but I will say this, well—
But obviously he had to give somebody his number.
Yeah.
You know, so.
Well, Karamo, you wanted to unlock Crystal's phone, so Crystal, We unlocked your phone. Unlock, unlock, unlock, unlock, unlock. Well, Carnell, you wanna know if Crystal has been using any dating apps. Crystal says she has not. My Unlock the Phone investigator searched her apps and found that Crystal is not telling the truth. My investigator found that she has an active Tinder account from February of this year. Carnell, you wanna know if Crystal is on any explicit websites. Crystal says she's not. My unlock the phone investigator searched her phone and found that Crystal is not telling the truth. My investigator searched her web history and found that Crystal has visited Skip the Games, an adult escort site, 131 times. And the last visited this site October 10th. Carnell, you wanna know if Crystal has been receiving explicit texts from other men. Crystal says she has not. My unlock the phone investigator searched her texts and found that Crystal is not telling the truth. What? No. Crystal has 435 text exchanges with multiple men where she offered sex for money. Can I see the evidence bag? What?
Wait, where you going?
No!
Oh my God.
Thank you all.
Mm-mm.
That can't be true.
So Crystal, you playing games now, girl.
No, I'm not.
Yes, you are, girl. You playing games. So you've been accusing this man and you're over here doing the most. I asked you if you in your partying days and you said clearly fast and quick, yes. And clearly from this booklet of messages, You clearly are in your party days and have been disrespecting this man nonstop. What you gotta say? You wanna go ahead and take the ring off and just put it right here? 'Cause I know he walked off, but I'm gonna go ahead and speak for him. Like, this is trifling-ass behavior. What the hell are you doing? Like, why you taking advantage of this man?
This man.
You know, I'm not taking advantage, but I feel like he was cheating on me.
Girl, don't gaslight me. We're not gonna play these games. We're not gonna play these games. We're not gonna play these games. You clearly, you clearly have been accusing this older man of doing stuff when this man is just stressed about work, the new dog you made him get, and trying to figure out how to have a life with you. This man literally walking 2 hours, this dog that he probably didn't want, and you out here on these sites and texting men and saying, what price do we agree on? What we doing? Let's do this and that. Listen, you—
That was a long time ago.
This was October, girl. It is December. See, this is what I mean again when I say age ain't nothing but a number. Yes, it is because the maturity, the maturity of a woman who understands that he is in, she's in a relationship, she wouldn't be doing these things. See, this is young girl behavior. This is not the behavior of a woman who's mature enough to be in a relationship.
But can he come back out here? I wanna apologize to him.
I'm sure this man is done with you from what I just saw. You called the show worried about Carnell's behavior, but it's crystal clear who he should have been concerned about, which is you. This man is done. I'm sure he's gonna forgive you just because of his kind nature. But at the end of the day, this is completely disrespectful. It's completely outta order. Everything you've done here is just, it's completely shit. And I hope you do some soul searching. And at the end of the day, this is the truth of it. His daughter was right about you. Yeah, this is not right.
No.
So I wish the best of luck. I wish the best of luck to Karamo and I wish you a lot of growth. Growth and self-reflection. That's what I wish for you right now. All right. I'm sorry about that.
The fact that you were with your wife for 20 years and she passed, I don't think you've probably finished grieving. And I think the fact that you haven't fully grieved is causing you not to see clearly into the decisions you're making with the next person you might be with.
What do you have to say about that? How do you feel?
It could be right. It could be right.
Yeah.
Do you feel alone right now? What's going on? What are you feeling?
Used, pissed off.
You're used and pissed off. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
It is what it is.
It is.
You didn't deserve it.
Ah, phew.
Yeah, talk to him.
I got you. I got your brother.
What's going on? No talk.
It's just one of those things that when we talk about, you know, we both just end up crying.
Yeah.
You know, so.
That's okay.
See, the way that this bubbled up right now is the reason I'm taking this moment to talk to you because it's still on the surface. And after 20 years, of course, 2 years is not going to ever mend that.
No.
The way you held in those emotions You can't do that no more. You gotta let those come out. You spent 20 years with a beautiful woman.
She was good.
She was a good woman. And you deserve to have the rest of your life be with someone else when you're ready. Because if you can get through this, the more you can figure this out, the more you'll start to heal and you'll find that love. You'll find that person.
Okay.
Yeah?
Yeah. I just need you to let this out, brother, okay?
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