Jackie confronts her adult daughter's sobriety, claiming past violence and delusions make her unfit as a mother. The daughter disputes these accounts. An interviewer mediates, pressing Jackie on contradictions in her story and her own involvement with her daughter's boyfriend.
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You need to get some mental health before you end up destroying your children. That's the bottom line.
What was your relationship like growing up with your daughter?
She was a very sweet girl. Things started turning when she met, and I don't fault her, she fell in love with a guy and this guy hurt her. And I wanted good for her, but we found out the man was no good for her. So at some point she lost— And you told me I was betraying my family by dating him, putting, like you were just on me like, if you don't do what I tell you to do. No, that's not true. That caused me to rebel. You don't see that? You're controlling. Men have caused you to rebel. Everything that you did, these people are destroying you. No type of accountability at all. Within yourself that you project onto me. Mom, you're not my judge, jury, executioner, or my psychiatrist, and I need you to stop telling me the truth. I need you to stop.
So when you were younger, were you bickering like this after this man?
We— yeah, because of this man. That's when a lot of it got physical while I was pregnant too. Yeah, you laid hands on me while I was pregnant. Oh no, no, because you called me a bitch baby. Oh, so that gave you a reason to jump on me?
So did you actually strike her?
I didn't strike her. I went up and grabbed her and pulled her down the stairs. Yes, she did. She's very violent. And I told her to her face. She's very violent. She's been violent with past partners. If you say that to me again, I will forget you and my child.
No, Jackie, Jackie, Jael said that she got help and that she's been doing it well. She didn't go to rehab?
I've been on medication for depression and PTSD.
Do you think she's a good mother?
Now? I think she could be a good mother once she gets some mental health to understand herself. Because this girl just needs to dig deep. She needs trauma therapy. That's what she's been through. That's what rehab is. Hello, rehab is therapy, mom. Psychiatry is therapy.
It's just very confusing to me because I'm hearing two completely different stories. Because it's made up.
She's delusional. She makes stuff up in her head.
Am I the only one that heard you?
She makes stuff up in her head.
Because usually I can find a similarity in the situation to be able to say, this is the truth in this situation.
It is mad ass.
But I'm not even hearing anything that could give me a guide of— If these children weren't here, why would she keep letting me see them?
Why wouldn't she fight for custody? It's not making sense. There's no evidence. She's doing it by telling people things and simply wanting them to believe it with no evidence. Because I feel like— It's ridiculous. This girl is their mother. Why would I not try to advocate for a single parent that I was also to help her get stronger on her feet? You need help for your hurt and your pain. Mom, I need you to hear this.
So I heard that you contacted her current boyfriend and started to say things about her?
No, no, no, he contacted me. No. He contacted me.
How's your relationship with her current boyfriend?
Oh my God. It's okay because I feel like he's better for her because he'll actually listen if you tell him the truth about stuff. But did you not tell me the truth?
So do you tell him information about her that she doesn't want you to tell?
The only reason that happened is one day I was talking to her 'cause she had taken me somewhere.
