She's Been With MY SON And MY NEIGHBOR?! | KARAMO

So my guest Derek called the show and left me this voicemail. My name is Derek. Trying to get some information from my, I guess, girlfriend, not for sure, but I have reason to believe that she's had sex with my son, had sex with my neighbor, the fact that I went to jail. Okay, well everyone please welcome Derek to the show. So you think your girlfriend is sleeping with your son? Your son and your neighbor?

All right, hold on, hold on. I'm single, so.

Oh, you single?

Yeah, my co-parent. Okay.

You're a single co-parent, okay.

Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, so like with my son, all right, I'm gonna start off with him. All right, you know, in any relationship you're gonna have, you know, the mother figure, you know. This ain't that type deal, all right? You're not gonna sit and talk with your son, you know, about his penis. You're not gonna sit there and have him at your house 2, 3 in the morning, you know what I'm saying? And then like, it's cool if you're gonna have him there, but notify the parent. But I got a call and boom, I hear him in the background. Is that, you know? Yeah, that's him.

Oh, okay.

You know what I'm saying?

Got it. How long y'all been together?

I've known her since high school. We like actually made it like intimate. We got 3 kids. 16 years, you know?

Okay, 16 years ago and 3 kids. Yeah. Okay, how would you describe your relationship? 'Cause clearly not a girlfriend.

Yeah, well, here's the thing.

Because in the voicemail you said my girlfriend and then right in here you said no, no, no, I am single.

Well, no, no, no, I said girlfriend-ish or, you know.

You used the word girlfriend, brother. So we heard girlfriend and now you said single. So what's your relationship now, like now after 16 years? You know?

Right now it's complicated. It's a situationship.

Okay.

You know?

16 years and 3 kids is a situationship? Okay. So after 16 years then what's causing the suspicion?

I had a situation, right? I was incarcerated. I call, check on my kids. Hey, y'all up for school? You know, my little boy, you know, he ain't gonna lie to me. He be like, I'm like, "Where everybody at?" She was like, "Oh, Ruthie and such and such, they upstairs in the bed." I don't know what, in the bed? Like, you know what I'm saying? And so I asked her about it and she, "Oh, ain't nothing, ain't, you know, da da da da da." You know, and my granddaddy always told me, "Only a hit dog gonna holler." So if everything is so innocent, why you getting so, you know, in a frenzy about it? You know what I'm saying? So if it was just, you know, "Oh, we just watched the movie or something like that, let's keep it at that." But you done changed your story like 3 or 4 times.

And what about the neighbor?

My two oldest daughters, you know, they kind of witnessed, you know, a little booty grinding and all that stuff while I'm, you know, the night I get arrested or whatnot, every, you know, like, you my boy, you supposed to be like, oh man, let's see how we gonna get him out, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Nah, but you sitting up here, oh, y'all can come sleep up at my house.

I got a question for you. Is she not your girlfriend? Why you care? Well, it's, 'Cause you just said you single, which means she's single, which means she can grind out whatever she want to.

But see, all right, she says, "I ain't done nothing in these 16, I ain't done nothing." But you got all these erased text messages and, okay, but like if you go through my phone, oh, you gonna see a whole bunch of stuff. But you know you're gonna see a whole bunch of stuff.

That's one of the most toxic things I've ever heard.

Yeah, it's, yeah.

You like, you like not. You gonna go through it, you gonna see that I'm too hard on you. And you ain't my girl. And I'm gonna be jealous about the dude you talking to.

Well, no, I'm not jealous about it 'cause the dude, I mean, he a scrub. So I mean, I ain't even jealous, it's just a respect thing. Don't be my boy and then, you know, you talking mess about her, you know, to me, but then I get jammed up and you trying to backdoor me. You know what I'm saying?

How many kids do you have? I know you said you have 3 kids with her. Do you have?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, so I have 23 kids, but I'm a good dad. Yeah? A good dad.

You see all 23? Yeah.

Well, the ones that stay outta town, it's a little difficult.

But you're in communication with all 23? Yeah, yeah. Okay then. And what do you think we'll find in Ruby's phone today? 'Cause I know you want it unlocked.

Okay. A bunch of lies. Deleted text messages, conversation between her and her supposed to be ex-husband, which is still her husband. Depending on how far her trash is, I know you're gonna see some messages between her and my neighbor. You could see some inappropriate stuff between her and my son. I mean, who knows?

What do you mean her husband?

She's still married. I done got divorced twice and she's still married.

So you two were together for 16 years and in that 16 years she's gotten married She was married once and you got married twice?

Well, she was married when I met her.

She was married when you met her? Mm-hmm. And then she got divorced? No. She didn't get divorced?

No.

She's just still—

Still married.

This is messy. This whole thing is messy. This whole situation is messy, messy, messy. Okay, well listen, I'm ready to hear Ruby's side of this messy story. So everyone, please welcome Ruby to the show.

I'm here to prove to Derrick I have not slept with I haven't slept with his neighbor. Mm-hmm. I haven't been with his son and I have nothing to hide.

So you are saying you have never been intimate with his son?

No.

Okay. He said earlier, I took the note down that he said that another child said y'all were in bed together. What was going on and that you got defensive?

Okay, so we was watching a family movie. It was our youngest son, our daughter, his son, and some of the other kids was in the room. We was watching a family movie. We weren't even up under the same blanket.

Same covers together.

So that was it.

Okay.

That's not it. Her story changes. You know, her story done changed about 3, 4 different times.

Well, describe your relationship with the son.

I've been in his son life ever since he was 9 months old. He's like my son. So, you know, whenever the kids need me, I'm there for them.

Penis size changes.

So you change this boy's diapers?

Yes, yes.

And why does he feel like you were talking about your son's genitalia?

I don't know where he's—

So y'all ain't had the conversation?

I don't know where he gets this.

You ain't had that conversation?

No, I don't know where he's getting this from. And with his daughters, they're messy. They're messy. I've never been with the neighbor. The neighbor, he's not even, he's not cute. I mean, I wouldn't, no, that's not true.

To the neighbor, whoever you are, I'm so sorry. How do you feel when he makes these accusations? About the neighbor, but also about his son, who you changed his diapers?

I feel, I mean, I feel like there's something wrong with him. He needs some type of counseling. None of that happened. None of that happened.

So y'all weren't at the car and he was like, you know, like you standing right here and he grinding on you?

No, none of that happened. That's just his messy daughters.

Come on.

How would you define your relationship with Derek now? What title do you put on it?

Well, I'm there for Derrick, whatever he needs, I'm there for him. To him, I'm his co-parent, but he's the type that wants the best of both worlds. So yes, his cake and eat it too.

So you two are still intimate?

Yes.

You're still intimate?

We are intimate.

Often?

Yes.

No, hold on now. Listen, no, no, no, no. No.

No. How does it make you feel that he won't call you his girlfriend?

Well, I used to didn't care. You know, that's when we were younger. We getting too old for this.

Yeah.

We have a grandchild that's on the way. So we need to, you know, straighten up for the kids and the grandkids.

Got it. Are you still in contact with your ex?

Mm-mm-mm.

Well, my ex, he may have said we're not divorced yet.

Okay, can I cut? You're not divorced.

There you go. We're not divorced on paper yet. I haven't been with him in about like 16 years, probably when me and him first got together.

Okay. Have you dated anyone other than Derrick?

I haven't dated anyone other than Derrick. He's been the man in my life for the past 16 years. He dates other women, but he's been the man in my life for the past 16 years.

Do you want Derrick to commit to you?

I do.

What are you hoping the results today will do for your relationship?

Stop accusing me. And if he want me, you know, for us to be together, to be monogamous. I'm not having kids.

So you want monogamy, does that mean you also want marriage?

Yes, eventually, yes.

You want marriage? I mean, you said eventually, it's been 16 years.

She gotta get divorced first though.

Okay.

She gotta get divorced first.

So you telling me if she got divorced right now today, you gonna marry her?

I ain't saying all that.

Okay. Well, Derrick, you believe Ruby is cheating with your ex. Your neighbor, and your son. It's time to unlock the phone. Ruby, we unlocked your phone.

Yes.

And my lock them phone investigator gave me 3 cards as evidence. Card 1 is your neighbor, card 2 is your ex, and card 3 is your son. I'm gonna be very, very real with y'all. Card 1, I'm throwing away 'cause I don't care. Y'all not together. I could give a damn if she's with a neighbor because Y'all not together. Y'all not together.

I got you.

So she is free to do what she wants. Your ex, I could care less. And the reason again is because she free to do what she want. So go talk to whoever you want. And this is real because what I wanna do here is make sure that with transparency that you've been giving. So there's something that y'all gonna probably think that I'm crazy for. You have been completely honest. So I am not gonna be able to paint you on this stage as a bad man. You have told her, look through my phone, you want it, see it, I'm doing me. You know it's true.

Yes.

But in that, I'm not gonna entertain you controlling her by saying I need to know your actions.

Yeah.

That's why those two cards over there.

I got you.

It's in his thing.

It is not controlled. Just be straight up, be straight up with me about it.

But it doesn't matter if she know. She needs to be straight up. She doesn't need to. She owes you nothing. She owes you nothing. The same way that I'm telling him he has no right to comment on what you're doing, you don't have a right to comment. The reason you're commenting is because you have expectations of something you want that he is not gonna give you. Yes, I do believe there are mixed signals within that. Of course, the intimacy, the fact that you are staying at his house. And so you've told yourself a story that doesn't match the reality of what's going on. And that's what you need to hear. He does not want you as his girlfriend. Now, sister, you gotta wake up.

I got it.

He has told you that he only wants to co-parent. He has shown you that he wants other women, that he will be with other women.

Mm-hmm.

Okay.

He will not Make you the priority.

I get that. So yeah, like you said, he needs to stop checking my phone.

I don't check his phone.

No, no, no. Hear me out, hear me out, hear me out. You need to set the boundary.

Yes.

Okay. You, because hear me out, you're giving him access because again of this story you're telling yourself about potentially we could be together. This is your wake-up call. Yeah. You are giving him access because you believe that the access will change his heart or his desires or his mind. And it's not changing over here.

I wouldn't necessarily say that because I do love her.

So I wouldn't necessarily say that because, and see, this is what I mean. That's the mixed signals you're hearing at home.

Yes.

So I'm trying to cut through the mixed signals.

Yes.

He has consistently told the world now he don't want you as his girlfriend. I'm gonna be real with you and this is what I hope that you take as your mantra from here. Don't worry about if he thinks you're cheating. You need to stop cheating yourself.

Okay.

You know what I mean?

Believe.

When he calls, when he says something, you gotta say to yourself, I can't cheat myself.

Yes.

You are still young. We are only a year apart, girl. You got a whole bunch of men out there that would take you, love you, show you the respect. You could be around this world, okay?

Okay.

And while you doing that, you gonna be having your fun. But you deserve, and be careful, okay? Please, we do not need number 24, okay? But I need your mantra to be, stop cheating yourself. Stop cheating myself. Say it for me right now.

Stop cheating myself.

Thank you.

Stop cheating myself.

Please. Now there is one thing in your phone that I will unlock. To talk because for me this is serious. He said that you have a relationship with his son and you have said that this son and I, I have been with him since he was in diapers and I have been there. And there is, when you talk about respect, there is something about the respect of if the woman I'm with would even think of considering of being with my child.

Yes.

Now that information you are owed 1,000% and that is information where you either will be exposed or your name should be cleared. So with that being said, now it's time to unlock your phone. Derek, you wanna know if Ruby is having inappropriate or explicit communications with your son. Ruby says she is not. My unlock the phone investigator searched her texts. We also searched her apps. And we searched her photos. He found communication between them, but there was nothing explicit or inappropriate. I told y'all.

I told y'all. You need to get outta my house. I owe you an apology.

He gave you your apology. And now I want you to say to him your mantra.

Yeah, I can't cheat myself.

Period.

That's how I battle.

Stick with it, girl. Please, listen. I wish you the best of luck with your 23 kids. I got 2 and I can't handle it. I appreciate your honesty with her. It's not the relationship that I would've recommended for either of you for 16 years. But I just hope that this is the first step for you to make better choices for your life. Everyone at home, stay with us, friends. We'll be right back with more.