Texts, Tears, & Tantrums: The Messiest Breakups | KARAMO

I did walk away. What happened to you when we weren't together? You were with other girls and where was I? Every other girl that I've been with after you or during the time that we were dealing with each other, you would come in that relationship to tarnish that, what I had going on. Which relationship? It wasn't even no relationship, but I was dealing with girls. I've never been in a relationship. That's what I'm trying to tell you. Exactly, so what relationship? You act like I'm breaking something up. There was nothing there to break up. You haven't been breaking nothing up. And you can't come over here. What you were trying to do was have your cake and eat it too. And you're not about to do that with me. If you're gonna fuck with me, you're gonna fuck with me. You're 30 years old. You're grown. Do you feel like you're a little confused right now? A little lost in life? I wouldn't say that I'm confused or lost. I'm like traumatized. I'm from past experiences. You know, I'm the one who got cheated on while I was in prison. I got cheated on while I was next to you. You sleeping next to me and sleeping over there. What's worse though? What's worse is what you're doing to me. You could've left me while I was in prison though. I told you, you should just go and do you. Okay, in the worst case scenario. Why would you wanna be with me in prison and cheat on me? It's fine, I wasn't with you and I had to heal myself after what I saw what you did to me and I had to bring myself up. And if it's with me going and getting attention with other guys who were boosting me, Then yeah, that's what I did. I built myself up and where am I today? So y'all gonna applaud her cheating and then when I do it, it's a problem. That's crazy though. That's what I'm saying. So females off the muscles gonna already get they flowers. It don't matter what they do. Even at the crib right now, I sleep on the couch in my house. How do I sleep in the couch? Come on, man. We don't even have sex no more. Yeah, you don't turn me on with all this. When I hear you with other girls and I'm seeing you text other girls, you think that's gonna make me, oh my God, let me go sleep with him, he's so handsome. Just because you look good does not mean that, oh my God, that's everything. You need to be treating your girl good for her to be wanting to lay down with you. Well, I think it's time to unlock these phones. Sophia, we went ahead and unlocked your phone first. All right, Nakia, you wanna know if Sophia has sent any inappropriate texts to other guys. Sophia says she did not. My unlock the phone investigator searched her texts and found Sophia is telling the truth. Nakia, you wanna know if Sophia has any inappropriate DMs on her phone. Sophia says she does not. My unlock the phone investigator searched her DMs and found Sofia is telling the truth. Nakia, you wanna know if Sofia has been communicating with other guys through any of her apps. Sofia says she has not. My unlock the phone investigator searched all of her apps and found that Sofia is telling the truth. What about the lies though? You're insecure, guilty conscious, This is why you always blame me. I told you I'm not doing nothing and I meant that. You're the one who's insecure. Well, Nakia, we done locked your phone. All right, here we go. Sophia, you wanna know if Nakia has been texting his ex-girlfriend or any other women. Nakia says he has not. My unlock the phone investigator searched his texts and found that Nakia He's telling the truth. See? Told you. That's not Snapchat. Told you, dog. Just wait for social media. Sophia, you wanna know if Nakia has any inappropriate photos in his phone. Nakia says he does not. My Unlock the Phone investigator searched his photos and found that Nakia is not telling the truth. What? We found one photo of a woman that he received on January 18th, but then deleted it from his camera roll, but we found it over there. Of course. January 18th. January 18th. Ain't no way I was pregnant January 18th this year. How you was pregnant? Oh, this year, not last year. This year is even crazier. That's like a few weeks ago. Yeah, this January 18th. This is the one he received and deleted. Come on now, be for real. Why do you have her pictures though? I, I showed you. I screenshotted it and showed you that. And it was only for the simple fact because I was showing you that You never showed me this. I know who this is though. Yeah, so did I. So why did you screenshot this? I just gave you the answer to that. No, why do you have it in your camera roll? Why did you screenshot this? I just told you. You know what's weird? This girl DM'd him and DM'd me and it's like, it's one of those weird girls that you can't tell like, are you talking to me because you're a girl's girl? Are you talking to me 'cause you want to get the tea on what's going on in this relationship? Got it, okay. You wanna know if Nakia is communicating with other women on any apps. Nakia says he is not. My unlock the phone investigator searched his apps and found Nakia is not telling the truth. Nakia, you had 831 conversations with different women on Snapchat. Snapchat. Who are they? You know who they are. No, who are they though? How, who are they? Why are you doing this? Like, what are we doing? Why are you doing this? Like, you're 30 years old. In the past you told me I was young and dumb. What is the reason now? What is the reason? That's still not cheating though. That's still not cheating? The gaslight. That's still not cheating. That is cheating. If I did it, you would say it's cheating. What do you, like, if I did it, it's not cheating? Compared to what I've been through, that's bare minimum. Compared to what I went, exactly. He wants me to applaud that he's not sleeping with these girls. I need to be applauding him. Okay, so, Nakia, I'm gonna ask you a question. I need an honest answer. When did you fall outta love? I fell outta love the day I got released from prison. Okay, so I want you to hear that because I already knew that and that's why I've been quiet this time. So I needed you to hear that and he was honest with you. He hasn't been in love with you. Yeah, I didn't know that. And I appreciate your honesty right now. You're in a situation with a woman who you've been with her for a long time and so now there's a little bit of security being in it because you know what it is, but also at the same rate, you're not happy. I'm not. He's not, I could tell you that. But you're not happy either. She's not happy. I'm not because misery loves company and his misery, I should be so happy. I have the best son in the world. I'm doing so good in life. Why am I not happy? I go home to this. He may look good, but it's not fun living with him. He's miserable. What I'm doing here, and the reason I'm asking you direct questions, is because I'm looking at the pattern of your choices. And what I'm trying to do is help you to hear his pattern of choices so that you can be released and be free. He fell outta love. You ain't in love right now. I agree. Look at him and say, "You're not my person." You're not my person. And look at her and say, "You're not my person." You is my person though. Exactly. The thing is though, what's gonna happen is I feel like if we break up today— Hold on, hold on, hold on. So let me tell you something. What you doing here? I'm not finna let somebody tell me that you not my person. I love you for real, you know what I'm saying? You don't, he just said. I don't, he said what? That you just admitted to, I don't love her. I'm not in love with her. I am trying to help you, but— He's trying to help us. Yeah, I'm not saying that I'm not in love. I still love you. I'm just not in love with you no more because of the traumatic past we went through. Then why are you still trying to work this relationship? Because it is fixable and workable. It's fixable? Why is it fixable if you— Like, what is fixable here? Your behavior is not fixable. Hold on, what I just told you you gotta do. Because I gave you a lesson now. When you feel like you wanna defend or argue, you gotta take a deep breath. He just told you, "I'm not in love with you." So what you wasting your breath for? And what I'm gonna say to you, what I'm gonna say to you, and this professionally, is when I asked you to say she's not your person, she's not. Your person, you will never have these issues with. Right. You need to move on. You need to move on. This is unhealthy. The relationship is dead. It's dead. It's dead. And it's crazy you say that. I say these exact words to him every single day when I'm so frustrated, I tell him this relationship is dead. But what you need to stop doing is repeating yourself and you need to take a deep breath. It is what it is already. Now you see where this behavior is coming from. If you having to tell her 2 or 3 times, 4 times, what you think I gotta do at the crib? Like what? Come on now. [Speaker] Okay, the last piece of advice that I'm gonna give you is you're a young man and the arrogance you have around how you see gender roles in relationships is going to keep you trapped in a space that's unhealthy as a man, and you're never gonna find the love that you deserve. Okay? Right. So you start defending your heart and not his actions. You got it? Walk away. Walk away. And next time you wanna start defending, what you gonna do? Walk away. Take a deep breath. Look at that. He even tell you. I listen. I heard it, look. I wish y'all the best of luck apart. So how have you been healing since the miscarriage? I've been kind of in my own headspace about it. Doing my own thing, you know what I'm saying? Going outside, trying to cover it up, act like it never really happened, you know? But I know what happened, so why can't you tell me how you felt? 'Cause you're sensitive. You're sensitive about a lot of things, and the way I feel about it, you wouldn't like the way that I feel. You know what I'm saying? How do you feel about it? I feel like it's a blessing in disguise. We weren't ready financially, mentally. We're still not ready. I don't think it should happen. And I didn't tell her that, because I know that she would be mad at me for thinking that. Are you mad at him for having those feelings? I'm not. I was just, I wanted to know how you felt in general. You put me out. I feel like I couldn't even come to you and cry to you about it because now I feel bad 'cause you're not feeling anything. It's not that I didn't feel anything, I just, I have my own way of grieving. Why couldn't we share that together though? Because I'm not gonna sit in bed and cry about it all day like you are. He's saying that for him, he grieves differently and that he thinks this is a blessing that y'all didn't have a child. I've accepted it. I don't understand that, but— You said you understand that or you don't understand that? I guess I understand. Yes, we weren't ready. But that was still our kid. Even if we weren't ready, who's really ready to have a kid? Anything can happen like that. The child wasn't even fully like— I don't care. I don't care. I don't care. Once the kid's here, it's here. It has a soul. It's a kid. Don't matter how far along it is. What would you want to be better before having a child in the future if y'all were even to go back to that place? I'd want us to at least have our own house 'cause we stay with her, her sister stays with us and so does her sister's boyfriend. So y'all live together after 8 months? Yes. Okay. Do you think y'all moved this relationship too fast? Sometimes I do. Mm-hmm. Sometimes I do. Yeah. I feel like we moved at her pace. Oh, and it was her pace too fast in your opinion? I feel like I've moved faster though. I have moved definitely, I've definitely moved faster in the past, but. And did those work out when you moved fast? No. What happened? You started resenting the people? I feel like once I get to know somebody, I could see who they are and those past relationships, I didn't like who they were. It was very toxic. We fought all the time. It's 'cause you're going down now, tell 'em where you're going. No, it's 'cause actually 'cause I went out with them. I see myself having a future with you. Kids, the house, all of that. You not showing it. And really, I wanna start over. Oh, well before y'all starting over, it's time for us to unlock this phone. Yeah. All right, we unlocked your phone, Trey, and when it came to photos, we found a whole lot. 100 photos. Now the photos were all of Jada. I will say that. When it came to text messages, I found zero text messages on your phone that were suspicious. When it came to apps, I found one app. You have Tinder on your phone and you are active as of January 3rd, active on Tinder. No, no, that's not true. I don't be on Tinder. That's exactly true. You were active as of January 3rd on Tinder. My account has been taken down. I'm not active on Tinder. You were active as of January 3rd. Active. Active. Let me, let me, uh. Active. Active. Meaning you were on the app. You opened the app and used it. 'Cause that is the only. What happened that day, January 3rd? I had, I think we got into an argument. I just went on Tinder just to see what was up. So you do admit, you got into an argument, you went on Tinder. I did go on Tinder, yes. It was just to look though, you know what I'm saying? It was my old account that I used to use. I just wanted to see who was still on there. Did she also kick you out that day? No, she didn't kick me out that day. She didn't kick you out? I was on the couch that day. So you were on the couch? Yeah. In the house with your girl on Tinder? Yeah. After an argument. All right, can I give you some advice? You want some advice? Sure. Older brother to younger brother. What's going on? Let me know. I heard you say that you wanna build a future with this woman. Mm-hmm. I heard you say that you see it, but I also heard you say you move too fast. And I think one is actually more true than the other. What is true is that you move too fast and you're not ready to be in the committed relationship that I know one day you do want. Mm-hmm. And I think you're putting these expectations on yourself that you kind of have to pretend tend to be in it now instead of just being 22. So you think I should break up with her? Be real with me. I can't tell you to break up with her or not, but I can tell you you're not ready for a relationship. And I can also tell you that I don't think you're cheating, but I do think that you're in a place right now where you would like to explore and see the world. You would like to be outside. You wanna do these things, but for some reason you keep getting yourself in these relationships where you're like, okay, 'Cause that's going backwards. Yeah. I wanna move forward. Then why are you getting these relationships? 'Cause I wanna move forward with her. But you're not ready. You're not ready. It's like a child who wants to drive a car. You're not ready yet. You're not tall enough for this car. You can't reach the pedal. You ain't ready for this relationship. I've been in a lot of relationships. I can tell you, you are not ready. You're not ready. First of all, all this going outside, When you ready to be in a relationship, you ready to be in a house with your girl. I'm telling you. And if, and if you wanna be outside, you would want to take your girl with you. The fact that you even admitted to her that you said, "I'm going with couples." You going with couples and you don't wanna bring your girl? Come on, bro. You kept saying to her, "No cap." You no cap. Come on. And I gotta be real with you. I don't think she ready either. So I don't wanna put this all on you. She ain't ready either. She has something in her mind that she's built up that she thinks she wants and she's doing all the things that I believe that you said that she's seeing online that she's like, oh, I want this. Let's move in, let's buy a dog, let's do this. Come on, she also said out of her mouth, "Y'all been together for 8 months and 4 months of it has been trash." Come back out. You heard what I said back there. He ain't ready for this and you know that. Yeah. He is not ready for this. He just said that y'all got an argument. He's sitting on your couch on Tinder on January 3rd. Yeah. And I know this is hurtful for you and I'm sorry because you have been in relationships where you've, been cheated on. And so you wanted this to be different. I did. I really wanted to be with him. But nobody's cheating. I understand that, but I'm not finna stay if you don't even act like you want me around. I don't know how to do these things that you want. It's not that you don't know how, because you're a smart man. I've listened to you communicate. You're smart, you're intelligent. You just don't want to do those things. Because when I've asked you simple questions about like you going out with your friends, you say things like, well yeah, that's what it is. So I already know emotionally and mentally you're not in that place. So you can restart all you want, but then when you get back into your same environment, you're gonna go right back to the same habits. And it's because you're young and that's what you wanna do. And it's okay that you wanna do that. And that's why I keep saying, stop pretending like you want something different. Just be real about wanting to be outside. I wanna be outside, but— Boom, and just stop right there. So stay outside and you go find me somebody who wants to be inside with you. I'm gonna go inside. Okay. You knew I wasn't looking for a relationship when we met each other. You weren't looking for a relationship. We thought we found something, but I was good single and I will be good single again. [APPLAUSE] [Speaker] So do you have the courage to have an honest conversation with her? [Speaker] I don't wanna be single. I wanna stay with you. We got a good life going already. [Speaker] Okay, this is what's frustrating and sad. Is because you're actually a good guy. And I actually feel like in 4 years, if y'all would've met, I feel like this would've been a good match. But right now you're not on the same page and it's okay. And I'd rather y'all not get stuck down at 20 and 22 and wake up at 30 resenting each other because y'all tried to play house when y'all should have been actually living your lives. Yeah. So I've given you your chance. I don't think he's cheating on you, which is gonna be at least be refreshing for you. But you have now witnessed and realized that the rest of it ain't right. Hopefully y'all find the courage to separate. If not, good luck with y'all. All right? Thank you for being here and sharing your story. In my previous relationships, I did cheat before. Okay, and she knew that? Yeah, she knew that. So you said you know the signs of a cheater. What are the signs of a cheater? Just giving less effort, not texting, no FaceTime, No dinners. Turns location on and off, but dials, makes excuses for phone being off, and doesn't text back. Those are your signs of a cheater. Is your location off right now? It is now, yeah. It is now? Or it was before we went on our break. Okay. And makes excuses for phone being off, doesn't text back. Yeah. Now tell me, why do you think that's the signs? Because that's what I used to do. Those are the things that I did. So those are just a couple of signs that I see that if I'm seeing this and I know I used to do this, then why would it be different for when she's doing it? Have you ever seen her have texts from other men? Yes. And what were those texts like? This one specific text, it was a friend of a friend. And then one of the pictures, he had his arm around her. That just completely threw me for a loop. I'm like, who is this? She's like, nothing, it's just a friend. Where was the arm placement? Like elbow around the back of the neck. Okay. Yeah. That was the first time I decided, okay, something's really off here. And then so I was going through the phone one time and the messages weren't bad, but they were, she told me that they weren't talking, like they weren't, they was just a friend of a friend. So now my alert's all the way up and— But you saw the messages 'cause she let you go through her phone? Yeah. And you said the messages were not bad? No. From your point of view? Yeah. So then why was your alert still on? Because why couldn't you just say you were speaking to him? Like that was my, I was like, So you are speaking to him, but you're not speaking to him? So which one? Did you have to sneak in her phone to get that or did she give it to you willingly? No, we were arguing about it and then she showed me the phone. So she gave it to you willingly? Yeah. Okay. So what do you want with the future with her? What does that look like? I wanna live with her. I love her from the bottom of my heart. Anything I need to do to get her back, I'll do. I think it's time to meet Olivia, right? Get her side of the story. All right everyone, welcome Olivia to the show. Hi Olivia. Hi. Hi. You are super cute. Thank you. Nice to meet you. Olivia, how do you feel hearing Jaylen accuse you of cheating? There's a few things that he kind of skipped over, I think. There was two occurrences, one with the ex, and then there was another one where he went out and he got very drunk and he didn't even remember what happened. He just knows something happened because was told by his friends. Oh, so there was a second time you did cheat in some way, you just don't remember it. Yeah. And I feel like that's the main reason for being so scared of when I go out. Got it. So tell me about this time because I actually do want to hear your side 'cause I see your sincerity in this moment. So what happened during that time? I got super, super drunk. To this day, I really don't remember that. They said I went in the room with one of my friends and I don't even remember that situation. So Olivia, how do you feel knowing that he actually wants to unlock your phone because he feels like you're cheating? I just think it's crazy because I've never done anything in our whole 2 years of dating to ever like give any inclination that I would ever do anything bad. Yeah. What happens when you don't text him back? We used to call all the time. So when I first moved, we would call like all day, every day. That was in the beginning though. What about now? Well, then it started like weaning off, but then like get kind of like, why are you busy? And I'd be like, I'm like doing stuff, you know? Yeah, hanging out with friends. All you do is hang out with friends. Because, you know. So it sounds like from before from your story that you hung out with your friends. Yeah. So why was there an issue with her hanging out with her friends? I feel like when it comes out to me hanging with my friends, I would tell her. I would call, I'd be like, "This is what I'm doing." When she goes out with her friends, it's just— She's going out with her friends. She's just going out with her friends. There's nothing— But why is that an issue? Cincinnati is not a safe place at night. So it's based on her security and her safety. Yeah. So when I can't get a call at 3:00 AM trying to figure out if you're home safe, especially when you take Ubers home by yourself, and it's just like, I just wanna know you're safe. And then I'm getting called overprotective, toxic and I just want you to know that I just love you and need you to get back home. I feel like it's also the way you go about asking those questions though. Like I feel like the way you're like, what are you doing? Like why aren't you answering? Jaylen has requested that we unlock Olivia's phone. Olivia agreed to unlock her phone, but we have a video. You really had me out here thinking I was unloyal, untrustworthy, playing with you. Like I was always doing something behind your back. Are you crazy that you would let go of our relationship like that? Someone who would never cheat on you, but somehow I let you make me question myself? But guess what? She's back. This is what you wanted. So let me reintroduce myself to you. Because the old Olivia, she's gone. I'm independent, strong, and I'm happier than ever now. Okay. So we didn't unlock her phone. We didn't unlock her phone because you guys are on a break and not in a relationship and she doesn't really owe you anything right now. And after that explanation, what do you wanna say to him? You wanna put us on a break, I just feel like we should break up. Like since being like able to enjoy this 2 like months and just like not have to worry and like feel like I'm stepping on eggshells. So you don't wanna fight for us at all? No. I gotta step in here because I think all of us here, and this is not to call you a bad person. Yes, you have your abandonment issues. But those are coming out in a very negative way. Like it's coming out of you projecting and of also controlling. Can you see that at all? I feel like I was just doing it more outta love than anything else. Yeah, and sometimes that's where things can get tricky, especially with young love or even older love. You think that your actions are actually telling her like, oh, I love you, I care for you, but they actually become, you're projecting your own behavior from your past onto her. Because I asked you clearly several times, 'Has she ever done anything to you to make you think she was cheating?' Your words, 'No.' You even told me about the one time you were suspicious. You said she handed over her phone to you. So again, there wasn't a fight to say, 'No, I'm going to hide from you. I'm not gonna show you.' Also, what I thought was very interesting is that every single time you had an issue with her calling or not communicating with you amount that you wanted, she still was communicating with you, even in that text we just saw. You're saying, "Why are you not picking up?" And she's saying, "I'm with my friend." And you're saying, "I want you now." And she's saying, "But I'm communicating with you. You don't see that?" I see it now. That behavior is controlling behavior. That's part of your insecurities that were triggered by your abandonment. But the thing you need to learn as a young man is that you don't have the right to use your abandonment to then trigger somebody else and make them feel insecure about themselves. Olivia, when did you realize you didn't wanna be with him? Anymore. Like he said, like I've stopped texting more because I was like, we're on a break. Like let me see like how it feels to actually like be broken up. Like I was developing so much anxiety when I would go out. Makes sense. Makes sense. Do you hear that? Because of the fact that you felt insecure, you were starting to cause someone else to feel anxiety. Is that what you want for a woman that you love? No. I believe that about you. I believe that you don't want her to feel that way. I don't see you as some guy who's being manipulative or being wrong or like want to be negative. I just see you as a young man who had your own trauma. I want you to learn that behavior now as a young man and be secure enough as a man to know that when you get a girl who says, "I love you," who's going to be open with you, you don't have to check up. You don't have to do these things. You just have to show her that I trust you and that I love you. Part of you is young. You got caught up. That's why you gave me a list of your things that show you were cheaters and you just said out your own mouth, That's 'cause that's what I did. And so you started trying to project it onto her. Don't project what you're feeling from abandonment, insecurities, or because of your bad behavior onto another person. It's always gonna lead you down a path of a toxic relationship. Can you apologize to her for projecting your insecurities onto her and trying to control her behavior? I'm sorry for everything. I don't know how else to explain it. I'm just sorry. For controlling you and projecting my insecurities. For controlling you and projecting my insecurities. I am sorry. I am truly sorry. And I'm sorry that like the things in your past happened to even make you have those insecurities that we have to be here in the first place. That's love. She's telling you that she's sorry for that and she's also accepting what you did. I love you. I have love for you. Oh God. Yeah, it's okay that she has love for him because that means that you didn't do so much damage to the relationship that she don't even wanna talk to you. And that's actually a healthy way for this to end. 'Cause I've seen unhealthy relationships end here. She could be saying, forget you, you triggered me, you did all these things to me. She's saying, I still got love for you and I'm sorry that you went through this. Yeah, y'all gonna be all right. What you do? I done cheated a lot, done lied a lot. You know, I lie to cover it up 'cause I honestly don't wanna hurt her. And cheating, it really, it was a choice for me. I did it. Not saying I can't stop, I can't. That's why I'm here. How did Audriana find out about the cheating? Well, when we lived together, we started living together like 2 months in our relationship. You know, she always go through my phone a lot. Okay. Somebody said lesbians. Y'all move in quick. I ain't gonna lie, my sisters, I love y'all. Okay, so y'all moved in 2 months after being together? Yeah, 2 months after being together. You know, she always go, she always say it's suspicious. So how many times have you cheated? What's the exact number? I can't give you an exact number, but— It's that high? But I can count it. Niana, it's that high? In all sincerity, what do you suspect? Really, I just, I don't want this no more. Life is childish, it's over with. Like, I see I wanna be with her. This is the one, she brings me peace. You know, she brought me outta a real dark place when I was in that dark place. Okay, so she supported you at your hardest moment. So what happens when Adriana finds out that you're cheating and she gets angry? What happens? She tends to get physical a lot. So when you say gotten physical, do you mean you two are fighting like with fists? Yes, sir. Okay, and how often does that happen? It happens every time we argue or she find out I cheat, she wants to get physical. Every time y'all argue or every time you cheat? You just said you cheated more than two hands. So y'all have gotten in more than 10 fistfights? Yes, sir. Okay. And how long have y'all been together? 'Cause I know you moved in after two months. How long y'all been together? It'll be two years in April. You told my producers that you describe your relationship as clingy. Yes, sir. Why? 'Cause it's always just been us two. Yeah. Two P's and a P. So I gotta ask you, why do you wanna save this relationship? 'Cause I love her. I really do. Like, she really my peace, like my happiness. Like I said, she brung me outta that dark place. I think it's time to meet Adriana, don't y'all? Yes. Yeah. Everyone, please welcome Adriana to the show so we get her side of the story. Hi, Adriana. You look beautiful. Thank you. You look really beautiful. Thank you. I wanna know, how do you feel about everything you just heard? If she, you know, she love me and I'm her piece, why continue to do, you know, what you do? My producers told me that when y'all two got together, you had a girlfriend. Yes, sir, I did. Oh yeah, so about the girlfriend, I seen it on Facebook. First she didn't tell me, so I seen it. So she didn't tell you that she had a girlfriend? She was like, "Ain't nothing like that, I don't want her for real." So the trust was broken from day one? Mm-hmm. From day one. Do you agree? Yeah, I agree. That's the smoothness, y'all see it. Yeah, yeah, okay. Smoothness and a little bit of toxicity, we gonna be real, okay? But all right, so how did you find out she was cheating on you? Well, I get her phone, of course. I know I go through phones, but you do know that's toxic. Yeah, I'm gonna do it. Yeah, I know it's toxic. Okay, good, good, good. 'Cause I do it for proof all parties know what's happening. When you do it and the other party doesn't know, That's when it becomes toxic behavior. But you did it for a reason. So when I got through it, I don't say nothing right then. I kind of like, kind of act, you know, distant. Do you contact the other woman? No, I didn't. At first I didn't. At first you didn't? Yeah, at first I didn't, 'cause— Nyana, what you gotta say about that? I gotta say, I lie to cover it up 'cause the hurt, I don't wanna hurt her. You really think you lying to cover it up 'cause you don't wanna hurt her or is it that you're afraid of you being seen in a certain light. Yeah. Yeah, 'cause it's not really about her, why you lying? It's about yourself. You don't wanna be seen a certain way, so you wanna be saying, well, let me try to keep this persona up. And then because once she catches you, she gotta see the real you, right? Yes, sir. Okay, I just wanna make sure. When was the most recent time that you learned she was unfaithful? Last May, her birthday was last May. At the beginning of December, we was separated, but we was still together. So last month she cheated? Mm-hmm. Last month. Yeah, so we was separated, so. So from your perspective, what number does that make? 'Cause she said more than 2 hands. She couldn't gimme an exact number. Was that number 20? I don't think it was that much, Karamo. I don't think it was that much. 15? I'm just trying to go, I'm just trying to go. What number? How about 6 or 7? Okay, get the most. Yeah, it got bad, um, last kind of last year. Okay, well, she said over 10 already. I went, well, I don't know what you consider cheating. Well, it ain't really like— I don't consider everything you do cheating, but for me, um, it— for me, like, about 6 or 7. Mhm. Y'all, you heard what everybody just did. They said what? You don't consider everything she done cheating? She's telling you that it was cheating? I ain't never catch The other time, that's what I say. I put like that. So if you don't see it, then you don't count those other times? Yeah, if I don't see, of course. Okay, so we gotta get something big. She said you put your hands on her, you get physical. Tell me about that, why? Not every time, but when she lying to me, I said the same question, she a liar. And I hit her, I slap her a couple times. Where are those anger issues coming from? Well, my mama, she went through the same thing. I grew up around it. So your mama does the same thing? So it's learned behavior. Yeah. Got it. How old are y'all, if you don't mind me asking? Nyonna, how old are you? 21. You're 21. Okay, how old are you? I'm 19. You're 19. Okay, okay. So I wanna ask you, do you think you and Nyonna should stay in this relationship? Honestly, I already know what you're gonna say. You already know what I'm gonna say? What am I gonna say? You gonna be like, no, no, we need to break up. But I feel like it could be worked out. I'm gonna ask you this. I'm gonna ask you this 'cause you're 19, so you're young. What is your definition of love? I don't know how to explain it, but— You don't know what the definition of love is? Just say that. You don't know? You're 19, I understand that. Do you know the definition of love? I mean, I don't. That's the honest and most realest thing. Right, you like, uh-uh. And the reason I asked that question to both of you is because it's easy when you're young and you fall in love to be in these relationships and you move fast. And listen, as part of the member of the LGBT community, we move sometimes even quicker. It's like, you know, we didn't have the love or support at home. So it's like you meet somebody and it's like, oh, we in love in 2 days, we moving in. It's like everything's going down. And it's like you didn't have the time to process of like, what does love mean to me? Let me tell you something. Y'all are staying together because y'all are afraid of heartbreak. And I get it, young love, 19, 20, 21. That's the worst. When heartbreak happens then, it's like, oh my gosh, world is devastated. But you cannot be afraid of heartbreak and stay in this codependent, unhealthy relationship. You already, you just said you knew I was gonna say it. You already know it. It started off with trust issues from day one. One. I know you said she was with you in your darkest moments, and I believe that. But that even in your darkest moments, you couldn't find the respect to treat her how she needed to be treated. So I'm gonna be real with you. I love you, Nyiona. I just met you, but you gotta stop using that as an excuse, that she was there for me in my darkest moments. Because there's gonna be other people who are gonna be there for you in darkest moments. They're gonna be there for you when it's hard. I don't think you're gonna have a problem finding that. Obviously you can find women, with no problem. And then for you, come on now. You're a young woman who is modeling behavior. You just told me, "My mama used to fight, so I'm fighting." But now the work you have to do is you have to challenge that narrative of what you witness in the house and ask yourself, why am I modeling this behavior? I know I deserve better. I do. Then why are you staying? Why are you getting physical? If you knew better, —then why have you been in this for 2 years? So there is an unconscious part of you that thinks this is what life has to be because you didn't have a healthy relationship modeled for you. And you need to do the work to fight against that. Y'all have been codependent for 2 years. If you are courageous enough, I would like you all to maybe break up today. You know, are you courageous enough? It won't happen today. Exactly. Go home and do the work. Clearly pinpoint for both of y'all where the work starts. So you ain't got no excuse. Karamo done gave y'all the starting point. You know exactly where it starts. Self-respect for you, it starts with you. And for you, it starts with understanding why you're mimicking your mother's behavior and why you don't feel like you deserve more. Good luck, y'all. All right? Yes. All right, everyone. Brittany, you told our producers that you actually caught Dylan in bed with someone else. He started an argument with me. I was pregnant and some of our friends lived around right there. So this girl is one of their ex-girlfriends and they were all sleeping with her, running a train, if you might as well say. And he ends up sleeping with her as well. That was true, absolutely. I was on a lot of drugs. That's honest truth. Truth. So you said you were on drugs and this is not to excuse it, but I'm just trying to get understanding. So you were on drugs when you made most of these decisions? Most of these decisions, yes. Okay. Do you feel like she doesn't give you attention? I absolutely do. I can't get a kiss on an airplane on the way over here because that embarrasses her for sure. We got to the hotel and this is the first time we slept in the bed together in probably like a month. I'm just being real with you. Yeah. Okay, first up, I don't like a lot of PDA. And also, my thing is, is why do I want to show him the affection that he wants at that time when I feel like I can't trust him? Got it. And I feel like he's still talking to this person or that person. Okay, I understand that. So I'll fire that back at you. You're still talking to these people, so how am I supposed to give you the attention that you deserve? Karamo. What does she do to hurt your feelings? Yeah. You're lying. So I'm gonna ask you point blank, why are you staying in this relationship? Because I love her to death, man. We've been together for 8 years. I don't wanna waste 8 years of my life that I've really spent trying to be with her, like that there at one time was good, you know, there was good points. But she said for me that it was only good the first year. I mean, she can say that for you. How long has it been good to you? To me, in my eyes, for both of us, it just got bad probably the last, 2 years, maybe. So why does she think that it's been bad for 7 years? I don't know. It sounds like for her, the minute you started cheating, the minute you knew she couldn't trust you, things got bad. But for some reason in your mind, things weren't bad. Why wasn't it? We had a little fight about that and nothing really changed. I mean, and now if this surfaced later and now it all started bothering her, I don't know. Do you realize that it's hard to regain trust when you have two situations, even if drugs are involved, where trust has been broken. Sure, absolutely. She's still holding onto that. Sure, absolutely. Okay. I can understand that. How do you feel? I wanna make sure you could take your moment. Do you feel okay? Yeah, I'm fine. Yeah. Okay, let me put something out right quick. Stop lying. Okay. Or I'm done with you. Like I'm going to leave you. Okay, Brittany. You do what you gotta do, but deep inside you know the truth. And you see how you act right now? You're putting on a front right here. Okay. This is what you do at home. Okay. And you know you're lying. Okay, Brittany. Okay. And this is where it gets serious. And every time I do try to leave, he'll threaten me with like, for instance, our daughter. So like— Oh, for sure. Dylan, then why haven't you left? I can't, man. I don't want anybody else. He don't wanna leave because of our daughter, but that's not the fact. I don't wanna leave because of our daughter. I don't wanna leave because of these 8 years that I've spent trying to make this shit work. I really love Brittany. Like, when it's good, man, it's really, really good. But that's getting fewer and far between. And when it's bad, it's really, really bad. You just said y'all don't sleep in the same bed. That coming here was the first time you slept in the same bed. In a minute, a hot minute. A minute, yeah. All right, well listen, I wanna get to the results of these phones. I do too. Because, and the reason I wanna do this is because you came in and unlocked your phone. We're gonna get to the phone and then we can talk about what this relationship is and where y'all need to be, how you need to be moving forward. So when it came to apps on the phone, we found zero apps on his phone where there was any suspicious behavior. When it came to text messages on the phone, we found zero as well. When it came to sexual photos or anything of that nature, we found zero as well. Hey, hey, hey, you see that right there? But I gotta question. I will tell you this though, I will tell you this though, I will tell you this though. I will tell you this though. Some of the communications that we are matching up with Facebook, I don't know if there's a computer in the house or something else that you might be communicating on. It's all off of that phone. I've had that phone for 3 years, 3 years, and everything has been done off of that phone. Do you think he has another phone? Possibly. But what about your other phone? Did you tell them about that? I don't use that. Why didn't you ask us to unlock her phone? Because the only thing we found on your phone was these messages that you already have of saying, "Hey, I'm texting these women to rape me." It's been the same conversation, sort of like cut and paste. And so why didn't you ask us to unlock her phone? Because I know she's got messages in there. I mean, I know that. I've seen it with my eyes. I don't know how to dig more than face value into these apps. And that's the honest truth. Okay. So I need to figure out, because the thing is, is that your relationship is completely toxic. I wouldn't lie. 100%. And what worries me the most, what worries me the most, is not even you two because you're older. It's the fact that there are smaller children in the house so they're gonna witness the behavior. Exactly. And what's gonna happen is they're gonna mimic this behavior. And as a woman, you know that you don't want your daughter to see it. You said it outta your own mouth, yet you're keeping her in an environment where she's gonna see these things. And so for me, it's apparent that you two are not gonna be on the same page. Trust issues all the way. I believe that the communication is horrible. I believe that communication does play into some of your self-esteem issues. Sure. I believe that the trust, mistrust in him sleeping with people in the beginning messed with your self-esteem. And I believe that you're in a pattern and a cycle right now where it's like, I'm gonna screw with your self-esteem, I'm gonna screw with yours and I'm gonna be upset and I'm gonna be upset. There you go. And I believe it is an equal part because I gotta tell you Brittany, I do believe that you play an equal part in this, in the function of this relationship. I came on here from the beginning From the beginning, and I told you, I told you, I am not Lily White Angel, okay? That I do do things wrong, but so do you, but you don't acknowledge it. No, but I don't fuck around on you. Well, we gonna see. I never did. So the thing is, is that because even like right there, the way y'all communicate, I can only imagine when we're not here how it goes worse. I have to ask you, if you're going to not split up for yourselves because you're in this sort of codependent cycle, What are you gonna do better for these children who are watching this? Karamo, the only thing I can do is go get a better job and make more money. That's all I can do. He thinks that getting a better job and making more money is gonna help our relationship. Would you say he's a good father? See, all of a sudden, no. Sometimes. Oh, surprise, surprise. Do you think that she's a good mother? Absolutely, man. Absolutely, I do. So he says you're a good mother. Why don't you think he's a good father? I didn't say he wasn't a good father. You said sometimes. I said at times. Yes, because during them times that I'll wake up and he'll cuss me, he'll cuss her. Do you cuss at your daughter as well? Not directly. This is why I said this, 'cause I know that this is bleeding over to children. I knew it. This is how things start to continue. And then you have your daughter one day sitting on this stage in 15 years where she's like, yeah, my boyfriend is doing this to me, he's doing this. We're addicted to drugs. This is how these patterns start. Sure. And I wanna ask you both sincerely, you said that you feel insecure about yourself. You said you don't feel happy sometimes. Do you want that life for your children? Absolutely not. Absolutely not. I see you're crying. What are you crying about? What's going on in your mind right now? 'Cause he's lying, first off, about a lot of things. Secondly, like I told you, I want us to work. I asked him before we came on here, do you want this relationship to work? And he's like, yes I do. But he don't show me. Or else he wouldn't have called. But he doesn't show me any of that. He stays on that phone constantly. I don't give a fuck if you playing a nerdy-ass game. Like, make time for me and your fucking family. Brittany, what? All right, all right. You don't do that. All right, you're right, you're right, you're right. So you all are gonna stay together. So this is my ask. Can you commit to at least spending more time with your girl? Sure, absolutely. But she's gonna have to tell me what she wants to do. I mean, look, I'm no genius, man, and I'm not real great with women, okay? So I'm just telling, I'm being honest with you. A walk in a park. I don't know what she wants. Maybe you ain't gotta have money for that. I don't know what she wants. Well, listen, he did just say, "You tell me." He's saying, "You tell me." He said, "You tell me." She ain't gotta tell me every week. She could write a list and just put it down. And you'll commit to doing that list? And I might pick something every different week. It don't matter. I just need to know what the girl really wants to do. That's a valid start. You ain't got an imagination? Are you? Well, listen, he's telling you he doesn't. So if you really want this to work, you can't question that. He's saying that this, if you want this, he's trying to meet you halfway. Fair enough. But that's not gonna help you rebuild your trust because that's what's broken right now. How do you rebuild the trust? What do you need to rebuild that trust? Do you need him to stop communicating with women online? Yeah. Can you commit to stop communicating with women and ask them to rate you? Absolutely. Absolutely. If she will stop talking to her girlfriends and guy friends now, I mean, that's a two-way street. Am I right or wrong? Well, the thing is that I don't have any proof that she is doing something that could lead to a sexual nature with her friends. And so I don't wanna say that because then it can become manipulative of saying like, well, now I wanna isolate you. You can't have any other friends. And that's not healthy either. Well, it's not friends that she hasn't been with. It's friends that she's been in intimate relationships with. With, those are the only ones that bother me. That's it. Yes. Everybody bothers you. Like I said, there's years of toxicity here. There's years of dysfunction. And the only thing I can leave y'all with right now is that I really do wish y'all the best as individuals and I wish y'all the best as co-parents. I do not wish y'all the best as a relationship. I wish y'all only to find the strength to be able to leave each other. That's the truth. There you go. I'm assuming you believe he loves you. Yes. Do you assume that he loves your children? Yes. How is he as a father? I want him to step up and be a better father for sure. What does that mean? He likes to sit down and play video games all day. He can't hold a job. He has a lot of work to do to become a better father. And all the work's on me when it comes to the kids. Okay. I wanna go ahead and bring him out now. Kayla, come on out. How you doing, man? Good, how are you? Good. Take a seat. Doing all right. How are you gonna make me look like the bad guy? Because you are. You've done the same mistakes to me. You have made multiple mistakes. I try to be everything I can for you guys. Saying I have no job, but I quit two jobs because you have asked me. What's your excuse for cheating? Excuse for me for cheating? What's your excuse? What's your excuse? You don't mean that. I understand that you're mad. You could be frustrated because your side of the story hadn't been shared yet, but we saw the evidence. I'm all about evidence, proof, and when I'm helping people. So for you to come out and say quickly, "Why you make me look bad?" You made yourself look bad with this. Which leads me to why have you been repeatedly cheating on Briana, the mother of your children? Well, when you have somebody that pushed you into a relationship when you wasn't ready for one, when you just got out of a relationship of 10 years. So why'd you do it? Then how would you feel? You know, you wasn't ready to settle down and you told her that and she still barged her way in. She ended up— You're a grown man, you make your own choices. That's why you cheated on me because you made that choice. Okay, well when somebody sits there and picks at you and— I need to understand, you said not ready for a relationship. You have children. I was in a long-term relationship before and it didn't go so well either and then like right when I met her, Boom, I was sucked into the relationship. So were you sucked in or did you make a choice? I was sucked in because I told her I wasn't ready for a relationship. So then why didn't you express that? I expressed it to her multiple times. Multiple times. I would've been with somebody else if that was the case. I wouldn't have kept trying with you. Okay, but you— I didn't force you to be with me. You made that choice on your own. You gotta back up because you're saying, You're not ready for a relationship, which is clear by the fact that you're cheating. But then you're putting it on her that you stayed around. You had that option after you cheated and got caught to leave. Why didn't you leave after you got caught cheating? Because I realized, you know, after all the times that I was cheating, we got two beautiful kids, you know? I try to be everything I can for these guys. I got a quick question. What does love mean to you? Love means one and infinity. You're gonna love that one person for the rest of your life. You don't go for anybody else but that one person. That's the person you should, if you love that person, you're gonna be with that person. So love for you is about being faithful? Yes. Okay, so when is the last time you cheated on her? The last time I cheated on her was back in January. I don't know if that was true. Taylor, do you still wanna be with Briana? Yes, I love this girl to death. Okay. I do. Do you think your actions are killing her and this relationship? Yes. Yes, it is. And I see it every day. So then why do you still wanna be with her knowing that you're killing her? Because she's my soulmate, you know? She wants to get engaged. But right now I feel like it's not the time because we have broken pieces in our relationship that we need help fixing. Okay, what's making you cry right now? Just everything. I want him to change. I want him to stop cheating. I want him to be a better father to our children. I want him to be there. I can't do it on my own anymore. I don't know what to do. He's never listened to me. You don't listen to me. I do listen to you. I do. No, because if you listened to me, you never would've cheated in the first place. Okay, yes, you're right about that. But if I didn't listen to you, why did I get rid of social media? 'Cause I knew that was the number one thing impacting our relationship. Obviously you didn't get rid of it if it keeps coming into our relationship. No, that's not— You say you get rid of it, but then you constantly get on it. How do I constantly get on it? 'Cause the only one I get on is yours. So Briana, you came here because you wanted me to unlock Taylor's phone, right? Yes. But before I do these results, Taylor, I just wanna give you an opportunity to come and talk and confess about anything else that's going on. And I'm saying this to you as man to man, father to father. We've already seen texts, we've already seen, heard you cheated in January. There's nothing that could be added to this that could make it any worse. So I wanna ask you, before I open up these phone results, Is there anything that you'd like to confess to Brianna? No, besides the email and the stuff that she knows that I have, no, there's not. I mean— So you have not cheated since January? Correct, I have not. Do you believe that? I don't know. He's always lied to me about it. He's never told me the truth, so I don't know. Well, listen, we did unlock your phone and here are the results. Brianna, you wanted to know What was in Taylor's phone when it came to cheating? Our phone investigator discovered that Taylor has tampered with the phone so that we could not get any results. No way. Yes way. No way. Yeah. So is that what you be doing on your little PC computer at home? No, I do not. No. There's no way. I don't know about this one. The person who does our phone unlocking is very, very skilled. So we can see when it's been tampered with. Which makes complete sense. We've already seen the behavior here. Yes. And there's an issue here. You're a young couple. And the thing is that I really wanna start with you. I wanna know why do you feel like you have to keep going back to this man? Well, now it's for the sake of my children. I want them to grow up with parents who are together. I didn't get to experience that. But this is the thing for you. Sometimes when we have we're in unhealthy relationships as children, we think we're doing better. But I have to ask you this, would you rather your children be in a household with two unhealthy parents or a household with one healthy parent? With one healthy parent, definitely. Because you keep going back to this man because I heard you tell my producers that he says the right things. He always says what you need to hear and you start to believe him and believe that he'll do better, correct? Yes, I always do. I always believe he'll do better. I see so much potential in him. He has potential, but he doesn't show it. Listen, he's already showed you who he is. And the thing is, is that you don't wanna believe it. And part of the reason that you don't wanna believe it is because you're young and I don't believe that you've even developed your self-esteem and your own worth. Do you understand your own worth? No, I lost it a long time ago in our relationship. Our relationship started to go downhill. Do you know how to start to begin to recognize and grow new worth? No. That's where I can help you with. The first step of you recognizing your own worth is saying to yourself, what is it that I deserve? It starts out with you loving yourself. You said you don't want your own children to ever have to deal with something like this. Right. This is the first step for you. Don't put them in a situation where now one day they have to feel this way because they watch mom do this. Allow yourself to be the model for them by saying to them, I can do better. Because let me tell you something, the only reason this man is staying with you, and I gotta get to you, is because you have a comfort with her. You know she gonna take you back, you know she gonna put up with your BS, and you know that she's not gonna be there to confront you. That's the truth, right? No, that's not the truth. That is the truth. We're not gonna play these games. That is exactly it. You know that she's going to put up with it and it's scary to you because outta your own words, you were not ready for this life. You were not ready to be a father. You were not ready to be in a committed relationship. And though you're trying to blame her, you made a choice for some reason and I don't know why, but you made that choice and now you're torturing her because you're scared to step up and be the man. And that's really what it is. Turn to him. Now I want you to repeat after me. Starting today. Starting today. I'm gonna start to practice. I'm gonna start to practice. Knowing my worth. Knowing my worth. And I understand today. And I understand today. That you cheating on me. That you cheating on me. Is not what I deserve. Is not what I deserve. And I am worth more than that. And I am worth more than that. My children are worth more than that. My children are worth more than that. Listen, you can do it. This is the first step for you. I'm sorry for everything I've done, okay? I love you to death. I wanna be your husband like you've always wanted me to be. I do, okay? I wanna be the father you want me to be. I wanna be everything you want me to be. Okay, but that starts with you. I mean, you have to change. You can't just say you're gonna change and then not change and just make it a repeated cycle over and over and over. Okay, I can do that. I've done everything for you. You ask me to do anything, I do it for you immediately. Do I not? Yeah, at times, but— At times, okay, but at times— There's no excuse for anything you do. That's the thing is at times, but those times you ask me, that tells you what? He's done it for me. There's no excuse for anything you've done though. Yes, you're right, but I'm human. Humans make mistakes. You make mistakes. You make mistakes a lot. I mean, we couldn't even get his dick to come. What's your worth? What's your worth? What's your worth? This is the moment when I'm not around, when you get back home, recognize your worth. What's your worth? I'm worth more than what you put me through. Thank you. That's the start. Anytime you start hearing these excuses, your only response is, I'm worth more. Don't engage. Okay. No more engagement. You keep engaging, you keep going through the cycle. He started telling you the same BS he's told you before. What is your response from now on? I'm worth more than that. Thank you. And you're worth more than that for yourself and also for those kids. Don't engage in this anymore. What is your response? I'm worth more than that. I believe in you. I broke up with him. Okay. 2 months ago. See what happened was. Don't you like when I say, see what happened was? See what happened was. See what happened was, okay. We broke, I broke up with him, but I broke up with him through me saying the wrong things and doing the wrong things and making him feel like he was lesser than as a human being. Okay. My mouth does get me in a lot of trouble. A lot of trouble a lot of times, which is why I'm composing myself at this moment. And I said, we don't need to be together. It seems like it's just dangerous for where we are right now. I don't know where we're gonna go from here, but we can't be together. I think you'll be better alone. [Speaker:KARAMO] I like that. [Speaker] And he had to come pick up his things 'cause he left his things at my house. He came and got his things, and that was the moment, you know, we met. I saw him, I missed him, I kissed him. And we had some really great intimate sexual moments. That sound like an R&B song. I saw him, I missed him, I kissed him. Do you wanna be with Nolan again? I do. I think it's a possibility that we can make this happen, for real. Well, listen, I'm ready to meet Nolan. I wanna ask you a question 'cause I'm really excited to meet you. I love your energy. I love everything that you are giving right now. Why did you wanna start a joint TikTok page? Well, TikTok actually started for us because have you heard of the dating app Jack'd? Yes. Jack'd is a gay dating app and they wanted us to be brand ambassadors for them. So they're like, hey, could you guys make a TikTok for us? We made that video. The first video that we made went semi-viral, 400,000+ views. It got us 8,000 followers. Wow. So I'm biased now because my experience is not the normal TikTok experience. Yeah. But from what I found on TikTok was a creative community that I didn't realize I was longing for. How much have y'all made off of TikTok so far? I'm nosy, I'm getting eager. On a good month, it could be a little upwards. On a slow month— Like $15,000 to like $20,000 to start. Wow. I can understand why this is a job for you now because I think that's good for context to understand like if you making thousands of dollars hosting, I can understand why this is gonna be something that you're diligent about. So do you ever feel, Nolan, that TikTok has become a problem in your relationship? It definitely has. In what ways? In a way that like, I love doing the content. I could do it every day. I can create. We saw the walkout. We did. And it doesn't feel like work. It feels like I'm showing up and I'm showing up to what I love and I get to be myself. And like, who doesn't want to get paid to be themselves? I think where things got tricky is that like we had brand deals, we had contracts and we had to schedule shoots and like he doesn't want to do it. And then it's like we have all this great stuff coming to us and you're like, You're showing up like this. Like it just became a, it did become an issue. But do you also think that that like putting so much emphasis on that, you didn't have time to work on our relationship. So I'm showing up upset and angry because all your time is dedicated to your friends, TikTok, Instagram, your fam, like everybody else except for me. And when I want to have a conversation like we're trying to have right now, I gotta wait until all of that's done. What do you think about when he says that? I think that he's extremely charming and he knows how to say things sell a narrative. I think that like, what, what, what, what? No, because there's been plenty of times where we've, I've had a conversation with you like we can be in a relationship and not do the content, but then, you know, a TV show they would offer, like we've been offered like to be leads of a TV series and other things too. It's not just social media content. Like he would put one foot in and one foot out and one foot out. But I showed up for a lot of those experiences. I showed up for a lot of social media. So let's go back. What happened on the Valentine's Day shoot? Okay, so Jack booked us to shoot a Valentine's Day concept, a video and some photography. And we were on set. Is this the Valentine's Day? Yeah, this is it, this is it, this is it. Okay, we see y'all. Towards the shoot, this is also the shoot, Jerrell has wine. So he starts drinking and once he starts drinking, his mouth gets a little— Since then I've let go of wine. His mouth gets a little out there, right? So on set he starts playing with my stomach as if I'm pregnant, right? Then he says, "Nolan, you are shaped like a whale." Did you actually say those things? I might have actually said those things. You might have or you did? I might have actually said those things. A lot of times when, I mean— You don't like to commit. Yes or no, did you say those things? I might have actually said those things. I'm gonna stick to that because you know sometimes I— No, because he's telling, when he says I made that comment about him like being shaped like a whale, I honestly don't remember it. I remember it. There were times that I did come for, for your weight in some ways because I mean, you at the same time were coming for your weight. So I'm like, my thing is tough love is my thing, right? Like I'm telling you, I know it's a bad thing, but tough love is like, listen, you worried about your weight, then lose the weight. Karamo, so I come out here and like I'm the girl, right? But a lot of people don't like me, right? So I'm like, babe, I gotta, there's people who wanna see me fail. Like they don't wanna see me like, so I don't wanna have to come home and battle you too. It takes a lot to show up as my authentic self myself in this world as a Black gay man who's feminine, who's different, who's out there, out the box. And I wanna come home to a partner who supports that, you know, not come home to someone who wants to battle me. I support you. I understand. So I wanna know, because y'all remind me of friends I've had, have y'all physically ever been fought? So that shoot was the first time. So after the shoot was over, I said, babe, listen, you call me fat, you do this all the time, it's fine. And it's not fine, but I said that, you know, it's fine, but can you not do it in front of other people? When we're on set in front of the people, the creative directors, the photographer, can you just not do it in front of other people? And he said, you know, y'all being too sensitive, y'all being too sensitive. And he said, you know what, Nolan? I said, all I'm asking for is respect. He said, I'm not gonna respect you, you're weak. You're dragging it, you're dragging it. So I got up, I punched him in the face, and that was the first time we fought. Coming up. Nolan, do you wanna get back together with Daryl? Do you want the honest answer? Yes. I met somebody. Have y'all physically ever fought? I said, all I'm asking for is respect. He said, I'm not gonna respect you, you're weak. So I got up, I punched him in the face, and that was the first time we fought. I know I've said and done things that have hurt this man, I know that there are some things that I said that I hit below the belt when I get angry, upset, or when I feel like— Why do you think you do that though? Because I don't believe violence should ever be the key. Absolutely. Ever, ever, ever. And when I was younger, I didn't understand that because I had witnessed violence before, so I thought that was okay. And I was a young gay man that thought like, oh, this could be something that we could do because this is how we are informed as young Black men sometimes, that violence could be okay, but it's not. And domestic violence between gay couples is something that's prevalent that people don't talk about enough. You know what I learned, Karamo, about domestic violence though? Just because abuse isn't physical doesn't mean it's not abusive. Exactly. And then so what I learned in that moment was that I've been sitting in an abusive relationship or there's been abusive natures, abusive aspects to our relationship. And I didn't realize that like you putting me down all the time or you, like there's also other forms of abuse and I have just been sitting there and taking it and just holding it all in. So why were you doing that? Why do you think that behavior was okay? Why? I mean, because I think it's important for people to deal with their issues the way they need to deal with their issues. Why do you think you have to be the one to tell them what to deal with? Because if you keep talking to me or telling me about it or asking me about it or verbalizing it around me, then that gives me license to say something. The only reason I'm saying this to you is because sometimes when people are venting about what they're going through, it's because they trust you. And what you're doing is you're manipulating that trust by then hurting them. And I'm not gonna say hit here and call you the bad guy or whatever because clearly clearly that behavior has come from somewhere else for you. I don't know where that behavior has come from, but something within you is making you feel as if you think that you can be emboldened by telling somebody what they did. And I would just challenge you to say, check that behavior. Because the thing is that you're a lovable person. You have a good heart in you. I can see it all over you. You fun, you sexy, it's all there. But the fact that you feel emboldened to feel like, oh, because you tell me what's wrong with you, I get to tell you right back. That's not okay. That's not a friend, that's not a family member, and you're better than that. You are better than that. I receive that. And you have to really check that self because right now what you're doing is you're saying, oh yeah, well you told me that you fat, so I'm gonna tell you fat back. Just because somebody's expressing their insecurity doesn't give me a right to build on that insecurity. I understand that. I respect that. I respect that totally. All right, I wanna know, and I appreciate it. I can tell you're gonna receive it, but it's just something you gotta work on. So Jerrell, I wanna know this. Do you wanna get back together with Nolan? I wanna get back together with Nolan, like I said, but I don't think Nolan wants to get back together with me. Nolan, do you wanna get back together with Jerome? Do you want the honest answer? Yes. I met somebody. I know. Did you know that? No, that's okay. I've been blown away by the experience that we've been having. It's been a contrast to the experience that I've been having with you. And I thought like, my eyes have just been open in a different way lately. If we were to get back in a relationship, what would be different? I guess I would listen more, pay attention more, try to be more understanding, take into account your feelings more. But I even think taking into account your feelings more as a friend, right? What about the verbal abuse? Because you even just did it right here again. Every time you say he's a lot, that's still verbal abuse. He's a lot because he's not what I'm used to. Okay, so it's the but. It's the but. It's just not what I'm used to. So then if he's not what you're used to. He's different for me, but I've come to terms with that. What happens is every time you have to say you have to come to terms with somebody doesn't mean you really want them. You are forcing something that in your heart you don't really want. And at the end of the day, I do believe that you wanna do the work on yourself and I do believe that you'll find somebody that you'll be happy with. I don't believe this is the man. And the thing is, is that as sad as I am because y'all pictures were cute, I wanted to scroll this page. I'm about to kick life. We gonna log off this social media page. Logged off. All right, listen, stay with us after this. There'll be more when we come back. What is he being dishonest about right there? He's just toxic. Like, he'll be so aggressive with me and so mean and then want me to come see him. Got it. All right, when was the last time you two were intimate? Months. Months ago. So he said he'll take an STD test. Okay, yes, he did say that. But he never did. But he needs a ride. He always need a ride. And I'm tired of that. I'm tired of that. You always need a ride. You see what I'm saying? You always need this. I don't have a car, right? You don't have a car. You supposed to be my woman. Pat and Turner. See what I'm saying? Did you know he didn't have a car when y'all got together? When I met him, he didn't have a car, but he was getting a ride. I'm not gonna be that person all the time bringing you here every day. So you said earlier that Phillip is controlling. How? He's very controlling because he's always want— it's either his way or I'm doing something wrong. Even if I'm at work, I'm doing something wrong. Say for example, the work thing. In the beginning, when you at work, guess what you do? Call me, FaceTime. No, I'm not gonna FaceTime you while I'm at work. Now you at work. You running me away like this. But I be like, all right, let me just look at you, babe. If you at work, why you can't answer FaceTime? You was just on the phone with me all day. So just what you said, okay, answer, let me see you, or call me if you really at work, not in the car, and I'm gonna be okay 'cause I can't. I cannot stress that. Take a picture then. Okay, how does it work? I got people lined up for me. Them is my customers, they are first. So I put my customers first. And he's never been with nobody like me. If the phone ring and I don't answer it, it's a problem, right? Is it a problem if he doesn't pick up? He has a text me phone. If he doesn't pick up, it's a problem. It doesn't matter if I got a text me phone or not. The thing is, if it's ringing and I don't answer, it's a problem. But I always make sure I answer or call you straight back. Why is it a problem when I want to say It's the same thing. So if he doesn't pick up his phone immediately, do you get upset? Not all the time, no, I don't. Because I know he's gonna call me back. No. No? Sometimes I know he's gonna call me right back. Because we have good days. I get upset because 9 times outta 10, if it's late night, I ain't gonna hear from you till the next morning. We have good days. Every night I don't wanna go to sleep on the phone 'cause I gotta take care of my kids, I gotta cook, I gotta do stuff. Yeah, but them nights you could at least let me see you. If you were home like you say, let me look at you. You ain't even gotta talk, answer the phone. Okay. That's it. Have you been cheated on before? Probably. By somebody you really love? Probably, yeah. Okay, was it recent? Nah, not recent. How long ago was it? Probably a few years. I done had my little heart broke before. Yeah, but the reason I asked you if your heart has been broken is because I was listening to what you were saying, the language you were using. I'm not saying that there's not problems in this relationship and I don't know if you've been cheating or you've been cheating, but what I do know is that some of the language you say about like, Pick up, show me, is sort of out of an insecurity. And I don't wanna be hurt. Yeah, I get that. You don't wanna be hurt again. But you have to remember, like, until she's given you a reason to feel as if she's cheating, you can't let the insecurities that this other person who hurt you pop up into this relationship. Right. Well, it's okay. She done gave me all the reasons. Like, say for example, we might be talking, right? And so she'll bring up what somebody else did for her. And so— So do you do that? I have, because you've been hurt by someone, and I might have been hurt before as well. Of course. But when we're together, everything is good. It's just when we are away from each other, he, like, go crazy. I'm not bringing it into our relationship. I may say stuff, but it's not— because he says stuff. When we first met, he said he wanted two women. He wanted a dumb one. He said, you too smart for me. And then I explained to her why I said that. The reason I said that was because, listen, everything I do is for a reason. Once we get to know each other, listen, let me finish. I said, look, the reason is because if you okay with that, but if not, that's cool. If you are going to be there for me, if you're gonna be everything I need. That's what he said. I think it's very important that we just get to unlocking your phones. Because right now I can't even tell if you two really like each other or not. We went through apps, photos, and text messages. When it came to apps, I found zero suspicious things in your apps. When it came to photos, we went through all your photos, deleted, the ones that are current, I found zero photos in your phone. And when it came to text messages, I found two suspicious text messages. Can I show the text messages? Do we have those to pull up? So the first one was on December 10th, you said, "You wanna talk about it? If not, that's fine." You said on the next one, "She doesn't treat me right, so if I find something better, I'm done with her." The last one said, "Facts." So I can't tell if like this is somebody you're talking to. This one right here was the one that caught me. You said, "I love my girl still, so I'm just stay over here." and we're gonna work through it. Were you talking to a friend? Who were you talking to these messages? Yeah, I was actually, it's like somebody that I'm talking to on standby 'cause it's like just in case you do, you see what I'm saying? So you have somebody on standby? What I'm saying is I was not on a sexual relationship or nothing like that. We was kind of talking, but this is like just recent because I ain't seen her in forever. Every time I try to see her, it's always an excuse. You can't come over. So then why don't you just break up? If you don't see her, You feel distant? Because I'm hoping that I'm wrong and I'm hoping that— But you're already talking to somebody else. Yeah, but you see what I said. Yeah, I get it. But you're still talking to somebody, you know? Because I know it's all gonna flip when you pull up her phone and you will see the truth. Okay, let's go. So I unlocked your phone as well. We went through apps and text messages. When it came to the text messages, I have this up here twice for a reason. I found 37,000 texts between you. But I'm a liar, I'm the manipulator. Between you and another man. Can I say something? 37,000 texts between you and another man that has went on before the relationship and while you're in the relationship. So we have some of the, I have a graphic of one of 'em. Not true, not true. So this is, can I pull up? I'm kid free. Trying to eat that. Zaddy said, come through. You said, okay. This is in November. Okay, uh-uh, that's not even me. Mm-mm, that's not even me. Who is that? That's my friend. Really? 11/25, who was living with me? Who was living with me? But the text went way before. 11/25 was the day after Thanksgiving. Exactly, who was living with me? I was living with my mama. I'm not talking about you, but who was living with you? So you're trying to say somebody else was using your phone? Yes. She never told me she was living with you. She was though. We can call her. All right, well then if you're saying this is not you, seems suspicious, but I had, again, I had texts on there twice because I also found 7,800 texts between you and multiple men. Phillip, you already knew. But I'm lying, right? Didn't I just tell y'all a liar will call you one, a thief will call you one? Didn't I just tell y'all I didn't call her a liar one time? It's not even the original phone that you had. Didn't I tell y'all that? I called her on my phone. He admitted that he was trying to talk to somebody. And I told you why. But the phone that you got, the phone that you unlocked was not his original phone. But you can't flip it now because we found stuff on your phone. Well, listen, I'm not done yet. When it came to apps, I found 4 different apps. I found Tagged, which is a dating app. I found Mega, which is another app. I also found that you have OnlyFans verification, meaning you have an OnlyFans account. No, I don't. This is a lie. And then the last app that I found— It's a lie on your phone. The last app that I found— The phone lying now, y'all. The last app that I found, which there is no judgment here, but I have to express this, I found it's called SkipTheGames, which is an escort service profile that you have a profile on. Karamo, he know what I do. You know what I do. 37,000 texts. It don't matter. You already know what the other guy— That's a lot of texts. 37,000 texts. But I'm the bad guy, right? I was trying, you feel me? Boy, bye. You already know what was going on. So were you aware that she was talking to other men and that she was also on these other apps? Yes. Let's be real. This is 4 months and it has been chaotic for 4 months. Yeah. Listen, y'all are not meant to be together at all. Y'all are not meant to be together. And it's already clear from the fact that y'all been 4 months and then y'all been distant. Listen, you want to be in a relationship that this is not really what you need. And to be honest with you, I really don't think you need to be in a relationship for a while. I think you need to spend some time, figure out yourself, figure out your situation because For me, a red flag was when you sacrifice yourself to show somebody else that you were actually going to be there for them. I don't think that's a healthy behavior that you should do. You should never sacrifice yourself, your job, your commitments to say, oh, I'm gonna be there for you. I understand the logic behind it, but it's not practical in life. And I will tell you to sit with that behavior, sit with the fact that you've been hurt before, sit with that, get yourself together, get your life together, figure out what you wanna do before you try to get into another relationship. I promise you that. I think that's what it is. You, no judgment, girl, make your money. You support your family, you support yourself how you need to. But what I would tell you is be more direct. This was clearly not the man for you. He met you at a vulnerable time and I think you were like, okay, I wanna be around somebody. But once you realize this is not the man for you, whether it was because he wasn't making enough money, whether it's because he didn't have certain resources, you should have ended it and not strung him along. That was unfair to him. That was unfair to him. But at the end of the day, y'all gotta end this and y'all know it. And I think the best thing for y'all to do is just look at each other and say, "Hey, you know what? It was fun. It was a cute 4 months. Good job. See you later." Right. So just say, "It's all right. Peace out. It was fun." It was fun. You know, I was, yeah, like you say, maybe I should just work on myself. There you go. There you go. There you go. There you go. There you go. I told you that. There you go. Listen, y'all should have broke up after week 2. Okay, week 1. We did though. And then y'all tried to get back together? Yeah. It's all right. We broke up so much. It's all right. He know what's going on. He know. That little smile right there is toxic as hell, girl. But we gonna get that on another episode. We gonna get into that on another episode, all right? On another episode. Exactly. All right, listen, y'all. They gonna be all right apart.