The MESSIEST Love Triangles From Karamo | KARAMO

Wait, what? Wow. She said she got an abortion because she didn't know which one of y'all two it was.

Wow.

Wow. Yeah, it makes sense. Wow. Watch when we get back to the bay.

We were together for a year and a half before she decided to open our relationship to a third person.

Specific words, you said she decided.

Yes, she did.

So it wasn't your decision?

It wasn't.

Why are you suspicious?

Because he likes it.

Okay. Okay. Me and my girlfriend Jordan have been together for 2 years, but our friend Kai is trying to mess our relationship up. Jordan is a grown woman, so if she wants to hang out with me instead of him, that says a lot about her boyfriend. I don't want her hanging out with him. Tired of this guy, he got a funny smell to him. G-Money is a jealous bum. And he needs to mind his business. It happens a lot when I have close girlfriends and then they start getting like boyfriends or getting into relationships. They always get jealous. They always, to me it seems like it's an insecurity. Okay. You know, they always wanna know like, what are y'all doing? Call every hour on the hour. Lately, like my friend, like we've been friends for 7 years. You know what I'm saying? So she met this guy during the pandemic And I've just seen how it's changed her entire personality. So why do you feel like he's not a good guy or he isn't good for her? Yeah, my friend, she's dope. You know what I'm saying? She's always, she's bubbly, life of the party. And ever since I feel like she's been talking to him, she's gotten very reserved. Got it. She's very covered up. Now she doesn't go out. It's always an excuse as to why she can't go out. Whenever we are all around each other, it's toxic. We're always arguing, little petty little things are being said. But my producer told me you even got them a hotel room for them to do a little getaway. Is that true? No, I got us a hotel room. Oh, so you got her a hotel room so that she could get away from him? Yeah. And then you just said now that you went with her? I mean, of course. I'm gonna go see what's going on. Check out the suite. I have to be there to physically check you in 'cause I work for a hotel. Got it. So let me back up 'cause you said with other friendships, you've had issues where the men have been jealous of you. Absolutely. Why do you think that is? I mean, you're an attractive man, but like what else are you giving off that's like— You know how it is when you good looking and like my sexuality is A or B or C or D and they don't really know how to take that. You know what I'm saying? Got it. So you consider yourself fluid? I would say a little bit. Okay. Yeah. Talk to me about the altercation you had with G-Money. So like, it's a few altercations that we have and they're always like just petty things. Like you saw in the video, right? Mm-hmm. He says something, I'll say something. You know, I have a smart mouth. So I was over her house 'cause he doesn't have a house. So I was over her house, he was there, you know, I like to get— Still a little shady comments, y'all heard. I like to get my nails, you know, manicured. I like to be very manicured. I remember she complimenting me on my nails. Oh, where'd you get your nails done? Who did it? Da da da da. Oh, I see you got your nails done again. You should've just went all out, got the long tips or whatever, you know, whatever he said. So it's like, where's your house? Look at your nails, you know what I'm saying? Versus commenting on my nails. So it just kind of starts like we throw little jabs at each other. But if this is your friend's man, why not just, Like, I get, I'm not excusing his little jabs, but why not just walk away? Why not just let him have his jabs and say, you know what, y'all in y'all relationship, y'all do you. I don't wanna lose my friendship. For a few reasons. Okay, tell me. One, like a straight man, like these days, like you're not just gonna get away with talking to me like that. I respect that, I respect that, yeah. I'm never saying to be disrespected. I never want that. But I'm just saying like, why not just be the bigger person and be like, you know what, I'm not even gonna deal with you. Why you had to come up with those shady comments? 'Cause I'm gonna try to be the bigger person. Me being a bigger person looks like me inviting you out. Me saying, "Yeah, your boyfriend can come." You know what I'm saying? So you think he's into your girl? Man, I know he's into my girl, man. I'm a guy, man. Let me be the first to say, I don't have no problem with homosexuals at all. We can hang out, kick it, whatever, you feel me? So come at me with it. But when you looking at my girl with hunger in your eyes, like, I know how a heterosexual male is. You turn around, you looking at her butt. Gay dudes ain't tripping off a girl butt, you feel me? What you looking at her butt for, you feel me? All the time. Every time you over, you looking at her butt. What's going on? Every single time, every time you tell her you come over, you look at her butt. You wanna linger on her hand and stuff. Like, oh Jordan, you smell good. I can't look at anybody's butt. Go get another girl, bro. Like, go get another girlfriend. Like, what's wrong? Why you around mine so much? Like, why you always come around? I come around your girl because your girl comes around me talking about you. I mean, I said y'all friends. All the time. How much do they hang out from your point of view? They fell out for a couple weeks. He has, thank God, he ain't been around. You feel me? Our shit been cool or whatever. So the relationship has been better since?

Yeah, for sure.

'Cause most of her arguing is about him.

Like, why she always with him?

And then when she with him, like she'll be— So I'm the problem. Bro, it seem like it. It seem like it. When you're gone, when you poofed out the way, there's no problems no more. Where's your accountability in any, in the whole situation?

Bro.

I've been here for 7 years. You just popped up onto the scene. You the new kid on the block. It sounds like Jordan comes to Kai and tells him the problem. I'm pretty sure he not the only friend she comes to talking her problems. I talk to my friends about my issues too. I don't talk to my friends about every little issue, but that's what you do with your friends. So you and Jordan argue about this a lot? This is the main argument you have? I mean, we have been in the past, we have, you feel me? But not no more 'cause he's gone, you feel me? Or he has been gone, you feel me? Have you two ever broken up before? You and Jordan? I wouldn't say breaking up, but we've had times where we just not talking. She tries to get away from you. Hold on, I thought he asked me the question. She tries to run away. Does she try to run away? Run as fast as she can to get away from you. I don't know what she's telling you. Something you say to her. You always talking about how she looks or you need to cover up. You need to, why is your shorts so short? Like I said before, like my friend, she's very outgoing. When we go out, we're the life of the party. Everybody comes over, they buy us drinks, they, you know, wanna party with us. And then ever since she's talking to you, she's, oh no, you know, oh, I can't, or I'm on the phone, you know, call. Oh yeah, she has a boyfriend. It's common sense, bro. G-Money, do you feel like you're controlling her a bit? 'Cause that's what he's describing. It sounds like controlling to me. When you have a girlfriend, we have a girlfriend, it would be complimentary to act a certain way. Like don't have your, she has big breasts. Don't have your boobs all out, you feel me, when you're in public. Don't be having little skirts on. Like you have a boyfriend. She had big breasts when you met her. Exactly. Like you was looking at her.

Exactly.

Jordan, I need you to tell me, what are the things that you complain to him about? 'Cause I already saw a little bit. I heard him say earlier, G-Money said that he has started to control how you dress, even though you look nice now, that he's asked you to sort of dress a certain way.

Yeah, I mean, I dress, so I be dressing. I mean, as I grow as a woman, I mean, it's out of respect for my man to just have a little, you know.

As long as it's your choice. If you wanna change your fashion, if you wanna be covered up, that's fine. But what I was questioning and was scared about is 'cause he was making it seem as if he was dictating it. So it's your choice, you're saying, that you have changed your fashion?

Gee Money can be a little direct at times.

Okay.

So.

Direct. That's what she said.

He can be direct at times.

So Gee Money, you came here 'cause you wanted me to unlock both your girlfriend Jordan and her best friend Kai's phones. So let's get to unlocking these phones. Wait, what? Gee Money, you wanna know if Kai and Jordan have been communicating with each other, but you refuse to unlock your phone, correct? Absolutely. Okay. Okay. And why do you refuse to unlock your phone? Because that's not my dude. Like, why am I unlocking my phone for you? I respect that. All right, for Jordan's phone, G-Money, you want to know if Kai and Jordan have been communicating with each other. So my unlock the phone investigator also again couldn't unlock anything 'cause you refused to unlock your phone. You gonna feel this. So why did you refuse to unlock your phone? You refuse?

Yes, I refuse.

You got something to hide?

No, I don't have nothing to hide. But at the same time, if I'm not letting you go through my phone, I'm not letting no one else go through my phone. That's my problem. I still have my dignity. I am still my own person. I can say no. I can say— I'm grown enough to say no.

Well, I would hope so.

I can say no.

And I can accept a no. But still, do y'all got something to tell me? Spell no. In most cases, I would say, well, the lack of transparency here is gonna cause there to be issues. But in this case, because I'm tracking other things that could be unhealthy and I'm watching the body language, I'm watching things, I think that this is actually a pretty healthy boundary for you to say no to. So in this instance, I actually respect your no of unlocking the phone because the only hesitation he's having is with you and your friend, your best friend, and that's it. So I think in other ways there might be, hold on, we're getting a ping alert. What's going on? Who's this ping alert from? What's going on? So I got a ping alert from Jordan. What's a ping? Pings are where we get messages that people, we get somebody to come and share something. Hold on, Jay Jordan. All right, so let's go ahead and watch this ping.

That me and Kai had sex right around the time that me and G-Money got together. And that kind of happened around the wedding. That I told you I went to by myself. We decided to take that to the grave. And there's another thing that even Kai does not know. Oh, I was pregnant and I wasn't, and I'm not sure who the father was. It could be G-Money or it could be Kai. I'm not sure. I just got an abortion and just kept it pushing. And I'm so sorry. I'm not pregnant.

She said she got an abortion. Wait, what? Wow. She said she got an abortion because she didn't know which one of y'all two was.

Wow. Wow.

Yeah, it makes sense. Wow. I'll see when we get back to the bay. For sure. All right, bro, you're weird. Both y'all weird. What the hell?

I'm sorry.

But this weirdo, for real, bro, for real, bro, you're weird as shit. I don't give a shit. It's not weird. It's not weird. Shut up right now. You're done. You're done.

Straight up.

I'm gone. Straight up. Everybody, y'all done.

It just happened. We were on a cruise ship and we got lost at sea and it happened. And I'm sorry, I did not tell you. It was a lot. And I think that's what really made me distant 'cause I didn't know what to say or how to say it or do. Just weird.

I didn't know. So how do you feel about the fact that she could have been pregnant with your child and that she had an abortion? Tell me though, bro. Why you ain't tell me, bro? Why you ain't tell me, bro? Why you send me here? Tell me all this, bro. Weird, bro.

Why I send you all the way down here to tell me this?

Why you ain't tell me? Why you ain't tell me? Look at her. Look at her. Look at her. Been done with all this, bro. Weird as fuck, bro. You weird too, bro. Professional. Professional. Are you in love with her? I'm not in love with my best friend.

Friend.

Would you wanna be in a relationship with her? I don't actually like women like that. You know, it was just the— So you like 'em sexually but not emotionally? We was intimate real quick. Have y'all been more intimate than more than that time? It's coming out now. You might as well say yeah. I'm gonna take that as a yes. How many times have y'all been intimate? Once, twice? 3 times, 4? It was really like twice. It was twice. It was twice.

It was twice. Twice.

Yeah. Okay. It was twice. I can't excuse G-Money's behavior and we're gonna get to that because there's a lot of stuff that's going on. But at the end of the day, his concern was that you would be doing something to you. But he didn't know. He didn't know that. But that even makes it worse. He didn't know. So you were the trifling friend he was worried about. You would sleep with his girl. He didn't have to worry 'cause it wasn't like that. But it happened. It happened twice. Twice. It happened twice, but it wasn't like a continual thing. I'm not trying to I understand, but his concern was, did you sleep with my girl? His concern should be, can I provide for my girl? Can I treat my girl better? Can I talk to my girl differently? No, listen, I said I'm gonna get to that, but with you, the concern was, did you sleep with my girl? And you did, you slept with this girl twice. Okay, it was twice. No, but you gotta take accountability for that. You told me you were gay. I take full accountability. We slept together. Two times. Jordan, do you have feelings for Kai?

No, just my, it's my best friend. What happened was just something that happened. Kai is my best friend. I love him no matter what 'cause he has been in my life and will continue to be in my life because I want Kai in my life.

Okay.

But I do want, I don't know about now.

Well, the thing is that if I get, okay, 'cause there's so many things going on here. First of all, I'm glad that you got off your chest. Because it need to come off, but this entire thing needs to be exposed. Because from what I'm tracking, it sounds like you're in a very unhealthy relationship with G-Money. And I'm not sure why you're staying for these 2 years. Can you express to me why you're staying? Because from what I'm hearing, from his own words, he's an entrepreneur, he's not financially stable, he's been verbally abusive, he's been physically abusive. There have been so many things that have shown that he's clearly not someone of value in your life. You even said you're not growing in a healthy way. So why keep staying with him?

I think because of the love that he gives me and the way he makes me feel as important. 'Cause I didn't have a father.

Got it.

When I was growing up. So I do need a strong man and him being direct and, you know.

But you do understand a strong man doesn't have to come with someone who's gonna be abusive, who's going to treat you these certain ways. You can find a man who's strong, who's going to treat you right.

I do understand that.

Are you ready to end this relationship with G-Money? You have to.

I don't know. I don't know how.

Just be strong. All you gotta do is say no. Does he live with you?

He does.

He lives with you. Okay, so there's an issue of getting him outta your house.

Yeah.

I don't know him fully. He was right about his questions about you, so I'm gonna give him full, he was, he was. You were sleeping with his girl. I mean, that was before, like he didn't, you know, like— No, I don't know. You not gonna let me, you not gonna get me on your side with this. You not gonna get me on your side with this. I mean, you two are consenting adults. His concern was, are you sleeping with my girl? And you did twice. I'm not, I'm not. What I'm saying is his concerns were correct there, but outside of that, the behavior is wrong. So why saying, because there was a 7-year friendship here besides the sex. And you've both been clear that you don't want a romantic relationship. So we'll chalk it up to y'all in y'all 20s, y'all had a little moment, you did whatever, but you need a safe haven to be able to get outta this relationship. And he doesn't seem like the person that's going to leave quietly. He doesn't seem like the person who's going to let go of you because he knows he's getting something from you.

Very much not easily.

Yeah. Is there some way that we can, when you leave this stage, you can fly back and go to his place Would those be action steps that you could use to get outta this relationship? 'Cause this relationship is unhealthy. Hold on one second though. Because like, it's like before you invite somebody to your house, I don't wanna be in a situation where it's like I'm listening to you do the same merry-go-round. You know, like that's tiring. These moments are critical because you're saying that you wanna leave and you're ready to be done with this relationship. And this is where now, true friendship and support comes in. It's one thing to be on the phone and there's one thing to be like, I'm hearing your problem, I'm exhausted by hearing your problems. But there's another thing when your friend is saying, I do want an escape plan. Do you really wanna leave him though? Like that's what I wanna know.

Yeah, I'm tired of being a caged bird.

Good, good.

All right.

So she's telling me she wants to leave him. All right. And at the end of the day, even if G-Money did stay with her, if he did stay with her, he's gonna only make your life a living hell from this point on. And so your friend is telling you she needs support now. She's tired of being a caged bird, her own words. So this is where it says, I gotta show up for you. Yeah, like I got you. You already know I got you. So I'm here. I love you. The thing that he asked and said that you're doing, you did. And so y'all, we can't give you a pass to laugh this off because you were right. You were disrespected 100% by them lying to you and saying they weren't sleeping together. So your intuition was right, you knew what was going on. And I'm sad that you had to find out that way, you know what I mean? You came to unlock the phone, but she just confessed. What's going on in your mind? Man, I don't know what to think right now, man. My head messed up, man. It's just the simple fact that, damn, with that guy, like, it's crazy. Crazy. Like, could be anybody else. Like, I ain't like that, but damn, with him though. Like, I get it. I understand. It's not like you want her to cheat, but the fact that it was with him after you had said repeatedly, are y'all doing something? Is there something else going on? They playing this little charade game. Like, I don't understand that. Weird. So she said that she wants to end the relationship? Good, good. Sure, she already know what's up. Yeah, over with. Like, for real, over with. You know, had sex with some fake gay dude. Like, is he gay? Like, what the— like, that's weird. I don't care. Like, you've been playing this whole charade. Like, I'm cool. Cool. I ain't dipping in that pot. That's over with. Yeah, it's over with. She said that you two live together, so how would you— I'm gone. I'm about to pack my shit out of there. We can figure all the rest out later. You feel me? I go somewhere ASAP. As soon as we touch down, I'm gone, packing my stuff. Okay. She can grab hers or whatever. She can have the house, whatever. I don't care. I'm gone. Like, she can move in with him, or he could— I don't care. He can have her. As much as he want now, you feel me? I don't know what this is, you feel me? But I don't wanna be a part of it no more, you feel me? I'm done, like, fuck here. I don't wanna do that. Well, at the end of the day, at least you got your answers and you were validated knowing what you were feeling was real. It's like a weight off my shoulders now, you feel me? I can like go forward in life, you feel me? Pick my best move. My next move will be my best move. Got it. You know? Well, I wish you the best of luck, sincerely, man. I'm sorry you had to find out that way. Yeah, seriously. Good luck, brother, yeah, good luck, man, seriously. If it wasn't for you, I'd never found out. I'm glad I could help you that way, man. Alice in Wonderland. Yeah, okay, thank you, brother, take care now, brother. So why do you think Terrence, your boyfriend, is sleeping with your mother?

Like, they coincide in texts, like sometimes she'll say something to me and then he'll say the same exact thing back to me, constantly complimenting each other. He always has things to talk to her about, or he'll know things that she's done throughout the day that I don't even know, and it's just like, there's a lot of red factors.

I see it there. So when did they meet?

About 6 months ago.

Okay. And what was that interaction like?

He was instantly like, you know, she's beautiful. You know, that's the type of woman that I want. He's always been attracted to older women. Now mind you, me and Terrence have been friends for about 15 years and we've only been dating for a little bit over a year, but we've been living together for about 6 months now.

Okay, so 15 years of knowing each other. During that 15 years, did he know your mom?

Yes. Well, she was actually incarcerated. Up until about 6 months ago.

Okay, so he wasn't around the mom?

No, and she was not in the picture.

Got it.

But he knew our relationship, he knew how much I missed her and like I yearned for her. And then it was like as soon as she came home, she was a big part of my life so she was around a lot. And then like I said, I introduced them and that day that I introduced them it was like, can I take you out on a coffee date? Can we go out? Oh. Yes.

And it wasn't just friendly getting to know your mom. No. You felt like there was something more. How did they get each other's phone numbers?

Actually, I put the numbers into each other's phone.

Oh.

Yes, but I didn't, I mean, it's my mother. I didn't think that.

Yeah, that's an innocent thing. I would give my partner my mom's number as well. Why not? Just in case of an emergency, like, hey, know each other.

Why not? I would not think anything of it until now. So as soon as they met each other and then he asked her out on a date or whatever, I started crying. So that's when we started dating and I'm like, you guys are messed up. Terrence, like, you know I like you and this is my mother. How dare you ask her to take her out on a date? And from that point on, he claims that he has not done anything to offend me, to be inappropriate with her or anything.

I wanna go back. Does he ask her that in front of you?

Oh yeah.

Really?

Yes, absolutely. He has, yes.

Where do you think he goes so that they can cheat on you?

Probably his mother's house.

You think so? So you think your boyfriend and your mother are cheating and that they have basically the audacity that they go to his mother's house?

Yeah, I think that she wouldn't tell on him if he was doing it.

Has he cheated on you in the past at all?

Yes, I found a condom in his mother's car that he was driving that was used. And I also found a condom in his bedroom in the garbage. And they were both used. And I mean, it hurts, it hurts really bad, you know? Especially if you will lie to me about sleeping with somebody else and not tell me the truth, then you are obviously lying to me about my mother too.

Yeah. I never took her out on a date, a coffee date. I never got her number even though She saved the numbers in her phone. Do you hit on her? Do you hit on her right now? You know, last time I hit on her was at the beginning. So that's a yes.

Yes.

I said the last time. The last time I hit on her was at the beginning of our friendship.

No, that's not true.

When she just brought her around.

Oh.

You know, and when she just brought her mom around, she was always telling me how beautiful her mom was and how much everybody always want her mom. So I'm like, all right, you know what I'm saying? So we were still at the beginning of our relationship, of our friendship still. And she brought her around and I was like, "Um." I'm like, "Yeah, she cute, whatever." Then next thing you know, she kept trying to—

He's my boyfriend, you're supposed to say she's not cute. Yeah, I don't know what everybody's thinking, she ain't cute.

Yeah, she wasn't though, but the whole point, we were just friends still. Nothing from friends, 'cause we was friends for— You said my mouth was kind of open during this, 'cause the way you just talking about this so casually about hitting on your girlfriend, Mama, is just blowing my mind, man. I wasn't telling you. I wasn't. I wasn't hit on. See, it's a difference. Does she hit on you? No, I never was. She always say that.

Yes, she does. She always tells him how good he looks, he smells good.

It's a compliment.

Look at you, look at you looking all nice today. I like the outfit on you, or your hair looks nice. She always, always, always, always.

Compliments. All it did was compliments. And from the beginning, I really think that she still had her guys she was talking to. She was still flirting. So you thought she was trying to hook you up with her? Yeah, yeah, I thought she was trying to hook me up with her. And she was single, we was single, and soon she started crying after I said that to her mom. And I looked at her, I'm like, "Oh baby, I did not know you liked me like that. I did not know that you wanted to take it to the next level. I did not know you felt that way about me." I'm like, "You know what, baby? I would never do that to you." I think it's time we meet Rosie's mother, Toni. So welcome, Toni, to the show. So just to let you know, the reason it's like this, this is not an error. Your mother has refused to connect remotely.

Mom, why will you not show your face? I mean, you can hear your voice. We already know you're my mom. Everybody knows you're my mom that's gonna see this. I just don't understand it. It doesn't make sense.

But I will say this. I think part of the thing that you're wanting And please tell me if I'm right, I'm just connecting dots here, is you want her to show up. You just talked about it earlier about how your childhood was. These are the reasons I was pointing these things out is because there's become a pattern of, I need you to show up, I need you to tell me, I need you to reassure me, I need you to know, and you're not getting it. And so there's a pattern here of, here it goes once again. I'm having an insecurity, I feel alone, I need my mom to show up. And the decision in your mind only reinforces what you've been feeling.

Absolutely.

Talk to me a little bit about that.

Absolutely, you're 100,000% correct.

Yeah, yeah. Because that fire, I hear the statements of you're a firecracker, but I always tell people here, when people say firecracker, where they say this is drama, I hear pain.

Yeah.

Tony was supposed to be here today to tell us her side of the story, but she has declined to be on camera. And now we're gonna unlock the phone to see if there's been any interactions between you and Rosie's mother, Toni. How do you feel about unlocking the phone right now? Oh, that's like my diary, you know? My journal, my wallet. Well, is there anything written in it that's going to show us that you have been having a relationship with Toni? Oh no, there's nothing like that in there, completely. Okay. Okay. Well listen, it is time to unlock your phone, Karamo. Are you ready for these results?

No.

You're not ready? Well, here we go.

Okay.

All right, so we went through your phone looking for photos, text messages, and calls. And when it came to photos, we found two photos. You received a sexually explicit video of a girl in December of 2022 and a topless photo last month. Month. The reason these are important is because I asked you if you were doing anything and you said once it became official, in your words, in November, that you had done nothing since. So these were in December and last month. Thank you so much.

I don't even wanna see 'em.

You don't wanna see 'em?

No.

Okay, I understand that. I wanna see 'em. You wanna see 'em? Well, they're from your phone. Please don't show the audience. So one is a topless and the other one is a screen grab of a woman pleasuring herself. Good. Good one. Good one. Oh, OK. Wow. Yeah. All right, doc. OK. That's— Yep. Well, those are in December and last month. Ah. It was saved in archives, wasn't it? No, no, no, no, no.

Ah.

No, no, that's not from archives. No, no, no, no, no. All right, well, let's continue on. It was, oh man. Well, listen, we also went through text messages. When it came to text messages, we found 3,656 text messages. Rosie, you specifically wanted me to check conversations with your mother and two other women. And the investigator found one woman who we'll call L, who there was 2,993 texts from, 71 messages with the word love in it, and you called her funny 41 times. You also told her yesterday that you can't wait to be free. Then there was 663 texts with another woman, we'll call her J, he tries to get attention from, but she doesn't give it back to him. But you do consistently say, "Hey, what's going on? Hey, how we doing? "Let me do something." And these are all within the time period of your asking since November. How do you feel about that?

Disgusted, but I already knew what it was. I already knew. Set him free.

To free myself. "I love you too, baby. I gotta get away from the psycho. I miss you, I love you." These are text messages that he sent directly to the other woman. This is what they wanted.

That's from the L? Hmm? That's from L?

That's from L.

It's okay.

You know who the hell it is.

It's okay, thank you.

All right.

Thank you.

So if this is your best friend, why would you say these things? This is supposed to be your love. That's love, baby. But you also earlier said— That's love, baby.

That was love.

15 years. She's psycho.

Hey, that was love, let me tell you.

She's psycho? Yeah, yeah, it was so— I fucked her. So because I'm confused because now you're saying she's psycho, but 15 years, why are you staying around someone who you think is psycho? Why are you now in a relationship with someone who you think is psycho?

I'm gonna tell you.

No, don't let her fool you. Fool you. She like, she steer me on. She basically, what they was called, run game on me.

Are we done?

She run games on you.

Are we done? I don't wanna go on.

She run game on me. She run game on you. Interesting. But when it comes to calls, we found one call which was interesting. It was a video chat with the first woman, Elle, that was just yesterday. So you all arrived here Yesterday, correct? Yeah. She was asking about this show.

I should punch you in your face.

She was asking about this show.

I should punch you in your face.

I will tell you this. We did come here for your mom and we scrubbed through the phone.

Nothing.

And—

I'm sorry, Mom.

There was no calls between your mom and Terrence.

Is that all the questions? Can I go?

That is. I never say, I never say— I will tell you this, you have some explaining to do because it's one thing for you to, it sounds like y'all were in a friendship where you both understood each other. You both were allowed to do what you need to do, but you were still having casual sex as consenting adults. But then when you decided to say, I'll commit to going further, and it sounds like you made that choice choice, not because you wanted to, just because, I don't know why, but I think that was where you went wrong. You should have said, let's keep it how it is and not go further. Because now what you've done is you've sullied a friendship with someone who you've had in your life for 15 years. I've been there for her through thick, through thin. And she ain't telling y'all her side of the story. She making me look like this, but I'm not the one. But you bought the show, we not making it look like that. I know, that's what I'm trying to say. She trying to make it look, Like I'm the bad guy. No, you was the bad guy. Then I was the good guy that fell in love to the bad guy, you know? So it's like— But even regardless, if you're saying she was the bad guy before, you should have just stayed as friends. Yes, I agree. Because that way you didn't have to go, there would be no bad guy. You're friends both making your own decisions. And that's all I'm saying to you. Yeah. I do wanna go talk to her a little bit. Thank you so much, Cena, for being here. Let me go talk to Rosie really quick. Okay. So I am extremely, extremely, extremely, extremely sorry.

It's okay.

I mean, I feel you. Because no one wants to find that out. He has his own point of view about how y'all were in the friendship and you heard everything I said to him. I think the thing that's bigger for me is that I do wanna figure out how you can start healing because the one consistent piece of this is that you have a lot of anger in you and you have a lot of sadness in you. From the choices that were made and the positions you were put in as a little girl. And outside of this, for me, you two, I probably will end up being friends again. You two will be able to figure out how to keep going forward 'cause I don't feel like you're gonna throw away 15 years. But what you need to start practicing and figuring out is how to heal this relationship with your mom. And I actually wish she would've been able to come on the show and be here.

It's just so awkward.

Yeah, it is. Because the thing is that there's still a little girl here that everyone has labeled a firecracker. Everyone has seen the choices you made and they've labeled you this and have forgotten that you are a little girl who saw horrible things, who experienced a lack of stability, who experienced not having the structure and boundaries that you deserved as a little girl. And as direct result has turned you into a woman that now people have labeled you certain ways.

Yeah.

And so what I encourage you to do is when you get home, ask your mother to show up for you. Say, I need you to show up for me and I need you to really be here because I can't start healing until you start to help me heal. Right. And so she can still hear us. I want you to come back on the stage and I would like you to say that to her on camera. Can you do that?

Do I have to?

Yeah. Listen, I'm here to help you heal. All right? You just need to speak to her and tell her, you can look at that camera right there, Tell your mother, like, you haven't showed up for me before.

Yeah, Mom, you know you haven't been here for me and I need you. I need you to be my mom. I've been begging for you to be my mom for the last 17 years. I need you to just be here for me.

I need you to show up.

I need you to show up.

I need you to talk to me about these things that hurt me.

Yeah, I need help. I need help, clearly.

Yeah, but who do you need help from?

My mother.

It makes you uncomfortable to say this.

Mm-hmm.

I can see your whole body language is shifting. Why is it uncomfortable?

I don't know, I just, I'm ready to go.

Yeah, it's a lot. But I couldn't have you leave this stage without at least you being able to say that.

And I'm sorry, I apologize.

Good, well that's a big step as well 'cause that was gonna be next piece. Any last thing you wanna say to Terrence? Nothing at all. I really do wish you the best of luck of healing with your mom because there still is that little girl in you that I really, I can see it. I see her and I hope that she gets answers and she gets the healing she deserves. You hear me?

Thank you.

I see you getting emotional.

Thank you.

I'm sorry. Jenna, please tell me about your relationship with Keith.

Well, it's pretty complicated. We were together for a year and a half before she decided to open our relationship to a third person.

Specific words, you said she decided.

Yeah, she did.

So it wasn't your decision?

It wasn't. My love for her made me willing to try anything. I had noticed secret conversations between them.

Yeah.

And it made me wanna go through her phone and I found out that she—

You pulled one of my stunts.

Yeah. Okay, I get it. I couldn't help myself.

Okay.

So they were actually discussing having a baby.

Oh wow.

Yeah.

So it got deep quick. Okay, let me back it up. How were things in the beginning?

We were great. I actually left an abusive relationship before her, so she helped me find a lot of self-love and growth.

When did you two move in together?

Immediately. We were living together like within 3 weeks to a month.

I'm not gonna say nothing about stereotypes of my sisters in my community, But I've heard this story before.

Yeah, I did.

Moving very quickly. I've heard this before. So you're also raising your kids together, right?

Yes.

Okay, how many do you have and how old are they?

Isabella is my oldest and then my son, Ke'lan.

It's a beautiful family.

And Ke'lan is 4.

And Ke said you'd always be number 1. What did that mean?

That's the thing is I always wanted reassurance, but I never felt secure that I, I just wanted security that I would be her wife one day. And that was an argument that we had many times since bringing Kayla in.

Got it. How do you feel about Kayla being the other girlfriend?

I like her and I enjoy her presence. It was something really hard for me to get used to to, but they put way too much focus on building their connection instead of trying to get me comfortable with everything and building mine and Kayla's connection, actually.

What are the things that they do behind your back?

She used to leave me with the kids and they would get to go on date nights and—

Why didn't they include you and invite you?

I guess because of the kids, but there was never an option to just find a babysitter. It was kind of just, oh, I'm leaving, I'm doing this.

Okay, I gotta be real with you because I've never been in a polyamorous relationship, but I do know what it's like for the person you love to start to have an emotional connection with someone else. Did that break your heart?

It absolutely did.

Tell me about that moment because I just, 'cause you know, it's easy to look at like, oh, this is a throuple, so like this is crazy. But like at the end of the day, your emotions are caught up. You have a family together.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, I wanna say it was around my birthday last year, February, that I found out they were telling each other they loved each other. And me and Kayla never got to that level. So I was really hurt that they were progressing without me.

Did you break up with her for a little bit?

I didn't break up with her until after the baby thing.

Uh-huh. So when you found out that they were secretly talking about having a baby.

Yeah, that was the last straw for me.

Did you ever confront them?

I confronted Key. She just said like one day, like after us, or that was when I really realized how serious and how they were falling in love with each other.

So Key also, which my producer just told me, proposed to Kayla in December.

She did.

While you were broken up. Mm-hmm. How did you find out and how did you feel?

So I went and looked online and saw Kayla saying that she was officially a fiancée and nobody really knows, but that really did break me. I was depressed for a couple days at least.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah. Are you and Key and Kayla back together right now?

Not officially. I'm trying to work through emotions and I feel like us all coming up front with our feelings feelings is necessary completely to move forward.

What do you need from them to have this relationship work?

We all need an agreement of what we all want together.

Okay, let's hear their side of the story. So everyone, please welcome Key and Kayla to the show. Hey, how are y'all doing? Please take a seat for me. Hi. So Kia, I'm gonna start with you. Yes. Why did you want another girlfriend?

She was lacking in some areas, but not enough to where I wanted to leave her.

What are the areas that you felt like she was lacking?

Probably sexually. I was her first girlfriend, so I felt like like, you know, she didn't really, you know, wanna give me, you know, any pleasure in that way. So like it was kind of hard. It was like one-sided.

Have you ever heard this? Did you know this?

I did.

Key, was another girlfriend just an excuse to cheat?

I'm not a cheater. I don't like to cheat, you know? So I like to be honest.

I like how Kayla, when I asked that question, started smiling. Right.

I like to be honest. So, you know, I was like, you know, maybe we should open the relationship 'cause maybe we could find a girl that is like not like you, you know? So, you know, I have the—

Well, did you ask her how she felt about an open relationship before you started it?

I feel like I did ask her and she wasn't really okay with it unless it was like a girl that she was with.

Did they ask?

No, she brought it up. Like on a public forum that she wanted two girlfriends. That's how I found out. There's a lot of women in the world, you know, and she, you know, she likes women too. So I was like, why not, you know, try?

Kayla, so you're the third in this?

Yeah.

Well, not anymore. You're kind of— I saw how y'all walked out. You're kind of the first in this now. So what was it like for you when they asked you to be in this relationship?

Um, well, they both approached me and it seemed like it was supposed to be a relationship. Like I got claimed right away and I didn't know that Jenna thought it was just gonna be a fling that was temporary.

So Key had told you that this was a relationship, but you were under the impression that we were just having a fling.

Yeah, Key told me that it was a relationship. They both told me that it was a relationship. They found me together.

Okay.

Yeah. Yeah, we were doing things with her like we would in a relationship and Jenna was like, trying to put up walls, like let's not fall in love. But I'm a lover, so I'm like, how do we do everything in a relationship with this girl and then not fall in love with her? I feel like you pressured me to love her so fast because you guys were in love.

So Kayla, how do you feel about your relationship now?

Well, I definitely have been hurt about it 'cause I did go in loving, wanting to love both of them. And then everything like got strewn out through the summer. And then, like, then it was just me and Key, but then Key was like seeing Jen behind my back and lying and both of them lying, not talking to me about it. But now I'm still open to loving her because that's how I came into it.

I wanna hear what my audience has to say about this. Anybody have a comment on this? Okay. Okay, what are your thoughts on the subject? Hi, so I'm polyamorous myself, actually.

I think there's a lot of love between all of you, but there's also a lot of confusion.

And I think that you all started out opening up your relationship and maybe went a little bit too fast. You know, I think that you could have been communicated with better, right? Jenna?

Yeah.

And you as well, coming into this relationship, thought that it would be open, that the both of you would be ready. So it sounds like if you're saying Jenna should have been communicated with more, she should have known that they were ready, it sounds like you're saying Key's at fault here.

I don't wanna place blame on everyone because polyamorous relationships are very complicated, but I think communication between the three of you, like knowing that in a polyamorous throuple, there's a relationship between person A and person B, person B and person C, person C and person A, And then there's a relationship between the three of you. And all of those need to be treated with respect and with communication and trust.

That's a beautiful perspective. Thank you so much. I'm gonna be honest with you, polyamorous relationships are new for me. Key, I'll ask you, do you think that each of those have been handled properly?

Yes, I felt like that was the main thing I was trying to do.

But it sounds like from Jenna's point of view, relationship you didn't focus on was you two.

Yes, that right there.

That's what it is.

I don't agree. I just felt like me and you took a pause while we focused on Kayla.

Okay, what's your point of view?

I got a question for Key. So you said earlier that maybe we need to bring someone else in that's not Jenna, correct? So if you are a person that loves to love, how do you think that's making Jenna feel? Number 1, that was there first. I mean, I felt like me being honest was better than stepping out.

But do you feel like that's a part, a little bit of betrayal? Taking Kayla out for a second, if my partner communicates they want something, then great, yes. But then it's like without proper time to really figure it out, to communicate, to understand, I would feel like, dang, like, wow. I don't know, that's just me.

No, I agree and I feel like I could definitely feel the love from Jenna to Key because clearly you're doing something in order to make Key happy. You done entered a whole can of worms that you really wasn't beat for. Am I correct or nah? Correct. I was not prepared, yeah. Yeah, you was unprepared, rightfully so. So, yeah.

Thank you.

Thank you.

All right, let's talk about this. So Jenna, I wanna know, do you feel like you can stay in this relationship?

I love them both more than I've ever loved anyone else in my life. If we could come to an agreement all together, that's different, but I don't like being told one thing and then just imagining that she's being told something else.

Yeah.

I don't feel like I tell them anything different. I want them to both feel like they're wanted in life. Like the, the baby thing. She wants a child, so like, I don't feel like she should settle and not wanna not be able to have a kid because— but that conversation should have been all three of us.

Do you agree with that?

Right, I, I do. I do believe that should have been, you know, but she was just so stuck up to like, no, she— I don't want her to have that with you. I don't want her to, you know, have all that, you know. She never gave me the security that I you're number one. You were telling me that, but you were showing— your actions were showing different. But you were pulling yourself away from me. I was watching you guys fall in love. Exactly. And it was making me want to pull myself away. Exactly. And you weren't putting yourself in a situation. Why do I have to fight for your love? You didn't have to fight for it. You don't— you're the one that took yourself from the situation. I don't like the way you react to me and yell at me and call me names. It's not a normal, basic Well, you don't listen to me. You are like a— But I've seen you do the same thing to her. Yeah, she does. So does she not listen to you? She does, right?

Yeah.

She does exactly that.

I'm not gonna chase after them because they're the one who set this in motion and then are deciding to leave. So what I'm gonna do to you ladies is just say this. That's very sweet. That's very sweet. Very sweet. I actually, it really is sweet. Because at the end of the day, I do believe that there was love. I think you were uncomfortable and it just wasn't patient enough. You didn't get the proper communication you needed. Communication just was off there. You gotta start to figure out how to move on, which you already are. They're engaged, they're in love. And so you have to start making your decisions based on the facts, not based on what could be. Because I think a lot of times in relationship we make these decisions on like, well, I think they could be, I think this could be. But the fact of the matter is they don't live with you anymore. They are engaged and they are happy. And part of them still wants to control something that they can't control anymore. And you just said you saw it as well. And also I would say to you, you're young, you're beautiful, and I'm not telling you to leave your fiancé. Say by any means, but I am also gonna say watch behavior. Pattern behavior doesn't switch until someone decides that they want to actually take the steps to do the work to grow and to heal themselves. And a response like walking off isn't someone who's taking the steps to grow.

No accountability.

No accountability there. Yeah. So you as a young person, younger than two of them, watch yourself. Just watch yourself. Watch it. Make sure you don't find yourself in a situation where now, because now you're talking about marriage, now you're talking about kids, you're talking about a lot of stuff and it's your first relationship. Right. Okay? Again, I'm not telling you to leave, but I'm telling you to watch it and understand that if things get to a place where you see it mimicking what you saw here, and I just heard you say, "Yeah, that's what they do with me too. That's what they do with me." So you're already picking it up.

Yeah. Start to say to yourself, "Maybe I need to go." I did tell Jenna, like when we first, We just started talking again. I do feel bad that I wasn't there for her during things, 'cause she did tell me a lot of stuff that she was going through with he. And then I went through it and I didn't have, I wished I had her next to me. So I do understand why she wanted me there.

Got it. So you're both experiencing the same things. Yeah. Well, I'm glad that there was Elisa's support system that you all have for each other. And again, I'm not going to bash Key's character. That's never my intention here. I just hope that Key can grow and be a better partner for you, can be a better person to help you to have the relationship end in a positive way so that the kids can feel healthy. And I hope that they start to do the work on themselves. So I wish you all the best of luck. Thank you. Yeah, this is my girl Eazy right here. We've been together for 5 years, and she definitely might be getting a ring real soon. We always been together since day one. Ever since I first met her, we've been literally attached at the hips. She takes care of me, she loves me, she always makes me feel comfortable in my areas and my spaces with her, and I always know that I got a rider with her. All right, this is Jadis now. This is girlfriend number 2. She got the looks, she got the style, she got the hustle. When I go out with her, it's nothing but fun times, nothing but excitement. You always at the edge of your seat and everything. And she's just an amazing person. We always go out, we always go drink, we go to the clubs. She always knows how to put a little smile on my face anytime I'm down, and we always love to turn up together. That's like my turn-up partner. One does one thing, the other does the other thing. It's like yin and yang. One is the perfect wifey material. One is the perfect Bonnie and Clyde material. It's like you want the best of both worlds with both of them. And sometimes it's kind of hard to choose. So I just put them all together. Unfortunately, Jadis isn't in our relationship anymore. And sometimes I miss it a whole lot. The two of them together make the perfect woman. Girl, welcome to the show.

Hi.

Everyone, welcome Meija to the show. You see the confusion on my face because I know you're here to find out if he's still talking to somebody, but talking about girlfriend one and two. Yeah. And then talking about the best of both worlds. This ain't no Jay-Z album. What the, like, what is going on here?

That was definitely my first time first time ever hearing that. So I'm a little—

Taken aback as well.

A little taken aback for sure.

That's why I made sure I wasn't the only one.

No, no, you're taken aback and so am I.

Okay, so why did Aaron want to add someone to your relationship in the first place?

I mean, we've always had threesomes. We've always kind of like in a sense added someone and like if we wanted spontaneity in our relationship, you know? So it wasn't something that was foreign, but I don't think that I was prepared for the relationship relationship part of that other than just leaving it with the threesome.

Got it. It was supposed to be sex, that's it.

Nothing else. That's it. She gotta go.

Yes. And how did he advertise it to you? Did he make it seem like it was just gonna be about sex?

Yes and no. I felt like it was advertised like a sisterhood.

And how long have you been with Aaron? Lemme just be clear.

Going on 6 years now.

6 years together. And who was the woman he wanted to add to your relationship that we just saw in this video?

That was Jadis, which is— His homegirl that he knew before me and him got together.

Okay, and when did you first meet?

He like, 'cause there was a time where we took a break. Right before our break, he introduced us in a sense of it was gonna be like a threesome, but he was introducing like the poly. And once I had a conversation with her, I just was kind of like cool on it. And I was like, it's just not for me. So at first it was a no and then, It was done. And then we took a break and then it was like he just went and did his big one.

Okay then. Oh, so you did not agree to this?

No, not at first.

Yeah, at first you were like, no, I don't want this. You took your break.

Yeah.

He goes and gets into a relationship with her or talks to her?

No, he, so at this point we are on a break, so he is dating her now. So about a week after we were on our break, they started dating.

Okay, and how long were you, did you break up for?

It was about, I wanna say roughly like around 2 months, maybe 2, 3 months.

And quickly he got into another relationship?

Yeah.

Got it. Where did you all live at that time?

In our apartment, my one-bedroom apartment.

Got it.

Yeah.

And was he trying to have a baby with her as well?

Yes.

Wow, interesting. All right, I know there's just a lot. There's a lot.

Yeah, it's kind of wild.

So the relationship, ended, do you believe they still communicate?

100%.

Yeah. Okay. Why?

I mean, he's never really stopped. Like he's always found a reason why he keeps talking to her.

Well, I just heard him in that video say that he wants it. So I mean, what do you want from him?

I guess loyalty. Like a sense of loyalty and just a sense of honesty. I want him to be honest with me. I think that was a lot of reasons why the poly relationship didn't work either was because it was a lot of lies. It was a lot of messiness. It was a lot of him having sex with us at both times even though we weren't together. You know what I'm saying? It was all of that messiness that came into it.

I know couples in polyamorous relationships and you have to, it is based on communication and trust.

100%, yeah.

And that loyalty. If those pillars, first of all, in any relationship are gone, then it's always messed up. But especially when you're in a polyamorous relationship where you have a third Some have a fourth partner. It's like we always have to communicate and be talking about our feelings and checking in. And the fact that you went in a relationship where you didn't have that, I do understand why it broke down. Well, we're unlocking his phone today because you told my investigators that you want to know if Aaron is messaging Jadis on social media. You also wanna check his text messages to see if he was talking to Jadis and search his GPS apps to see if he has gone to see Jadis at all. Understand. All right, well, let's see what Aaron has to say about all this. So everyone please welcome Aaron to the show. Aaron, nice to meet you. Nice to meet you too. How do you feel about what was just said? I feel like sometimes the stories get mixed up from different people's perspective. Okay. What got mixed up in what she said? I feel like I was open with her and I was transparent with her, but at times if she doesn't think that, she will tell me that I'm not. So it could be moments of, let's say, I go use the restroom, Jaidyn should bring me the toilet tissue. She feels like we didn't tell her what's going on around the house. Now what would you do? You would get— Was it really that trivial or was it bigger things?

It was bigger things, but like I said, in the beginning I was like, I just didn't trust, you know? So it was just like, y'all are coming together to just have a closer place to fuck. Like what does that have to, like, you know? So that's where I felt.

Got it. Do you think because of the behavior in the beginning where it was trivial that you then may have started to not tell her the truth in everything?

No.

Or might have not included her in all decisions? No, because I still felt like I was including her. Okay. I felt like she agreed to something that she never really wanted to be a part of. I would second that. Why did you want this relationship with both women? Well, when me and Egypt took a break, we weren't at like a great spot. Either way. And we took a break because it was certain things that she was doing that I really didn't like. It was certain things that I was doing that she didn't like. So then we started having trouble with complacency and me wanting to do more, but she's just comfortable because she got her man. So that's what it was like. I already knew Jadis. So you wanted that excitement. Okay, so what exactly were you hoping for? I thought that this was gonna be something amazing personally.

Both of them was cool. They both goofy.

Of course you did.

Like, you literally had no loss in this.

They both fun. I mean, I thought it was a match made in heaven. When I first thought about it, if you want me to be honest, I thought, man, we about to just—

And just to add, we do have the same birthday, me and Jadis. Oh. Yeah. Yeah.

So I thought— me thinking that, I said, oh, man, they probably going to get along. They got the same sign. All right, now they going to get along. They got the same sign. She got everything. I thought it was cool. Are you unhappy with how the relationship ended? I feel like the relationship ended a way that it didn't have to. Got it. My producer told me that there was some sort of drama with Jadis's on and off girlfriend. Oh yeah, she don't like me. She don't like you, why? She don't like me. I don't know, I think I'm a great guy.

Uh-huh.

Personally. That's y'all, right? So thank y'all for being here.

Hi.

Oh, this is Jadis, the woman you wanna see. You haven't seen her forever.

This is your main girl, the one that you wanna party with, hang out with.

And this is Mykel, correct?

This is your girl.

Mykel?

Yeah.

So Mykel, so what's your beef with Aaron?

I don't got no beef with Aaron. It's just the stuff he do towards my lady. I'm not gonna have no respect for a man that do it.

Like what? Does he call her outta her name?

Yes. It's just not a healthy relationship. It's not something that like someone would want. But you kept going, Going back to him and you left my phone. Right, have you ever heard of a trauma bond? I don't, I don't know anything about that. So that's what that is. We bond through a lot, going through lots of traumas. So me and him have a trauma bond. That is the reason why I was okay with talking to him again and again. And living with us for 3 months, 4 months. Right, okay. I'm just trying to figure out why you're so upset like you weren't texting my phone. Okay. So let's not act like I hit you up. This is my question, but did you answer after Aaron called you? You answered, correct? Okay, so you know you're with Mikel, so why are you answering calls from Aaron if it's so trauma? He's so wrong and it's so big.

Jadis, do you wish you were still together?

No, no.

Okay, just making sure, just being clear.

Yeah.

Does Aaron still reach out to you?

He does sometimes, yeah.

When was the last time he reached out to you?

I wouldn't say like just so long. Like 2 weeks ago.

2 weeks ago. Is that true? No.

Since he gonna lay it out.

I'm blocked from Instagram. Anytime Jada sees anything on my Instagram, she'll see it, she'll block me, unblock me, block me right back. I really won't even have a chance. Okay, but Mikel is saying that 2 weeks ago you did try to reach out. There's other ways outside of Instagram. How did he reach out? The only time I would really reach out—

He reaches out different avenues. He can reach out through social media, he can reach out through a different phone number. And you answer. You should be worried about him texting me. That's what you should be worried about. Time out, time out.

And what does he say? What does he say? What does he say?

Like, you're not giving any answers. You're not saying anything. That's what I'm asking.

It doesn't really matter.

It's the way you're coming at me though. I'm not coming at you at all. I'm literally just asking a question. You said, oh, what's your soul trauma? Like, do you want answers or not? That's what you started it off saying. But do you want answers or not? Yes, I do. But give me true answers. Don't give me I say yes. That's the answer.

What do you want?

I'm not always responding, so there's not a big conversation to give you, Egypt. Sorry.

What is he normally saying to you? What is he normally saying to you when he responds? I miss you.

Where you been, lovely? Like, let's really kill the noise. It'll be memes about kissing or he in a mood he wouldn't like. Let's be real, sweetheart.

You put it on the floor. You put it on there. Let's be real. Go for it. Jadis, she's getting called Lovely 'cause that's her real name. So it's not like I'm calling her love. I just wanna put that out 'cause that's her name, Lovely. But her name ain't a meme. So if you're sending memes as well about kissy faces and hooking up. All right, I respond. I respond. So we only really talk because I would tap in and check on her daughter and stuff and ask how they doing. Mykell says that Aaron is obsessed with her. Is that true? Far from obsessed. Do you feel like he could be obsessed?

Oh my God, wow, you're actually lying. I won't even say like it's like a scary obsession, but it's definitely a love obsession. You make it seem like if right now at this exact moment I wasn't like, Aaron, let's be together, we wouldn't walk outta here.

Then why did we send you away?

You didn't send me away, dude. You're literally insane. I kicked you out. No, you literally kicked me out. No, actually before we get there, I actually said I was gonna get the fuck outta your raggedy-ass apartment. Crazy because you stayed in that raggedy-ass apartment. You stayed in that raggedy-ass apartment where you could have been with Mykell, the love of your life. You could have been with Karamo. You could have been with Mykell, but you chose to stay in that environment, right or wrong, since it was such a terrible environment. And I did, but it's gay. You tried to make it seem like you kicked somebody out of somewhere. I did kick you out. I did kick you out. How do you kick someone out and they have a ride already on the way 15 minutes prior? There's no way that shit happened. There's no way that shit happened. There's no way that shit happened. There's no way that would have happened. Y'all don't even know what happened. That's the saddest part. Okay, but I know you— I told you to leave and you left. That's what happened. I told you to leave and you left. And they're like, oh, I need you to leave. You do need to leave. You did not say you were leaving. I've been said I was getting out that shit.

Jedis, how about you? What do you want to happen today?

I want this shit to be dead. Like, I want to be— like, I would like to go out with my wife today. Why? I'm in my relationship. You keep talking to him. You keep talking to him. You're not Jadis. I don't care. I'm in my relationship. You're on this show because of me. Don't be out here. I don't have to deal with toxic environments. I'm good right now. I'll be good later and I've been good for 7 years. Yes, we took a break, but I'm young. Nobody wants to hear that shit.

Okay, thank you for sharing that.

She's fucking.

What is the thing? So, all right, Egypt, we're here to unlock Aaron's phone and you want to know if Aaron was still messaging Jadis on social media, wanted to check if his text messages to see if he was still talking to Jadis and wanted to search his GPS. We now know how Jadis feels, but it's true what they're saying. It's really about him. It's nothing about them. There's no animosity should be towards them. They've moved on. I'm going to open that envelope because we've unlocked your phone. So let's see what's going on. So we are not able to confirm what you've actually messaged. Or what you said because you refuse to let us unlock your phone. Now hear from Jada. She said you've been still reaching out, you've been sending memes. You kind of said, yeah, I do reach out. Why wouldn't you allow us to see those so we can confirm exactly what we're saying and give your woman the closure she desires? Well, it's just because like, it's just my privacy. I don't ever ask to go through her phone or anything like that. My question is, if your woman is looking for answers, answers so that you can move forward.

I answered her.

I'm only going on the facts of what I've heard and seen today. Based on the things you have told me, the relationship is unbalanced and you're unwilling to give her transparency. So now that you know that, I think no matter how you move on forward, I will tell you this, whatever anger you have in your heart against her, you should release it because the issue you have is not with her, it's with the man sitting next to you. Please, I know, I'm telling you, as far as we're seeing right now, She's moved on, she's with somebody. So that's why I'm saying the issue's not with her. The issue is with the person you've committed to. You're not committed to her. You were committed to her because of him and then that's done. The person only owes you the transparency and whatever else you desire in a relationship is him. And he's not giving it to you. So I think the conversation y'all need to have is, are you willing to gimme these things? And you gotta be real with yourself and say, am I gonna keep giving my all when he won't gimme his all? You got it? Mm-hmm. I wish y'all the best of luck. Thank you. I wish y'all the best of luck as well.

Me and Asia met when we actually went out for Q's birthday.

Uh-huh.

We went to the strip club.

Okay.

To celebrate him.

So I just wanna be clear, who is Q?

Q is my long-term lover, so to speak.

Okay.

I have been on again, off again with him since 2012.

And then with Asia, They just met maybe back in 2019. 2019. And they had a relationship as well?

Yes.

Yes. But neither of you knew about each other, or did you know?

I knew about the fact that they were dating, yes.

They were dating because, okay, so you're here from 2012, you and him are going in and out, you then meet her and you built a friendship.

We did. We were going out, we were going to get our nails done, we were going shopping, going to get massages together. Ultimately really building a really good friendship.

But she has no idea that y'all have this long-term relationship since 2012?

Right, right.

Understandable. So how did Asia find out?

Asia found out because I had a friend, so-called friend, basically tell her the nature of our relationship.

And how bad did things get?

Things got really bad. So basically Asia was chasing me around, in her car, you know, cussing me, calling me a bitch, and, you know, saying, you know, she was gonna, you know, do things to me and kind of really getting violent.

And she posted some things on TikTok as well.

She did. She called me out by name, you know, really derogatory things. I mean, I felt threatened by her because she was making all those comments and chasing me around and all these things to the point I had to go get a no contact order.

When was the last time you the last time you spoke or seen Asia?

It's been about 6 months ago when we went to court for the said no contact order where I had—

So this is really recent that y'all are still in court?

Right.

But to be clear, because I know my producers told me before that the judge threw out the order, the no contact order because of what?

'Cause there was nothing besides verbal communication that I was able to prove that she did.

Okay.

But she still did them.

Got it. So why is it important for you to address this here today?

Ultimately because Asia felt like I was trying to be his side piece and honestly whenever me and him came to Asia, we were looking to settle down with another partner that he wanted to kind of have in the picture as well.

Oh, okay. Are you still with Q today?

No, I haven't talked to him in 6 months because of this said situation.

Well listen, Victoria says her ex-friend Asia tried to tear her entire world apart after finding out that they both were sleeping with the same man. It's been 7 months since Victoria saw or spoke to Asia. Asia is here, so everyone please welcome her to the show.

She took me to court because she got in her feelings that I wasn't gonna stop talking to him.

Well, she said that you did things to her car, that you tried to run her over.

What?

That you posted about her on TikTok. You didn't do any of that?

I did post TikToks. Yeah, story time. Absolutely did.

Yeah, you told your side of the story on TikTok?

Yes, I did. Okay. 7 parts talking.

Asia, are you suspicious of Victoria at first? Were you suspicious?

Heck yeah, I was suspicious.

Yeah, why were you suspicious?

Because he like fat. Okay.

Okay, what did Asia, what did Victoria tell you?

She told me they was just friends. They known each other for a while and they were just friends. Mm-hmm.

And you became close friends with her?

I did.

Mm-hmm. And what was that friendship like?

I mean, it was cool, it was straight. I mean, I'm not from the city, so me not being from outta town, and it was good to have somebody that was getting money like me so we could go out.

What was Q to you at this time and how did you meet him?

He was my live-in boyfriend.

Live-in?

He lived with me.

Mm. And how long you were together at that point?

It had to be at the point I met her, we were together for a good like 8 months.

8 months. So it's pretty long term at that time.

Yes.

And so when you found that out, you didn't know he was in a long-term relationship with her?

Nah, but the funny thing is she even admitted that before he brought her across my threshold, he said, "Don't say nothing to her about it." She knew from the gate. She couldn't say nothing about it to me. And I told 'em both, I told 'em both in front of each other, if I ever found out it was more than what it is, y'all gonna have to holler at me. Like somebody, y'all gonna have to holler.

'Cause you feel like she was pretending to be your friend?

Straight capping. But to sit in my house, in my presence, sit at a dinner table with my mother and act like you're a friend, that is why I said she's a poke. She's full of it. She's a clown for that.

You brought some text message you want me to see.

I did.

Can I see the text messages? All right. He's still acting up. We ain't talked since the argument. Really though, facts. That's really not like him. Well, next pull off a stunt we go. Here we got pictures sooner than later. You snooze, you lose. Yes, he moved on, so I guess. So you were confiding her about your relationship as well?

Exactly.

I understand now. So you see that right there. Do you feel like you manipulated her?

At the time, I felt like things were going on longer than they should have, so it definitely seemed more manipulating, and that's why I felt like Asia did have a reason to be upset.

So you feel the answer is yes?

Yes.

That's a little bit of acknowledgement. Has she ever said that to you before?

Nah, she always plays the victim.

Okay, so Asia, how did you find out about the truth?

I went through his phone one day while he was asleep, looked at his text messages, a thread and seen that he was talking to her. They were talking about going to hotels. It was a lot. It was a lot. Enough to confirm everything I felt.

Was she a good friend to you before that moment?

She was.

She was a good friend?

She was.

So Victoria, you called the show to repair your relationship with Asia.

Yes.

What is it that you wanna say to Asia?

Asia, ultimately, I know whenever me and you first met, And I know that I was not really truthful. And I was honestly enjoying your friendship. I really was. So I understand that you have these perceptions and I give you the perception that you have because that was what I demonstrated to you at the time. Because I wanted a friend to do nice, fun things together and us enjoy our time together. It wasn't anything that I was trying to really do malicious towards you, but I do see why you are upset And while you felt manipulated and everything at first, I'm sorry, I really, you know, I strongly apologize to you, but that wasn't my intent, Asia. It was really to be more understanding of what Q was selling me at the time as well.

Asia, what do you want Victoria to know?

So you came into my crib, you sat there and used me too, okay? Ain't no coming back from that, bruh. Ain't no coming back. Like from this day, and I wanna be so clear when I say this, so clear, crystal clear. This is my absolute last, last time talking to you about this, bruh.

Okay. Are you still dealing with Q at all?

Yes, yes, he closed my Uber door for me on the way here.

So you're still talking to him?

Yes.

Okay.

But he got his shit too.

Well, I wanna take this to the comments 'cause I know some people in my audience got some questions about this. Who in the audience thinks that Victoria was wrong for not telling Asia? Come on, let me give your point of view. All right, so you think Victoria was wrong for not telling Asia?

Yeah, I think it was dishonest. I mean, I guess I can understand why you say you didn't do it, but after a while you should have came out and said it. He should have too. So I just hope you keep the same energy with Q that you got with her because he was foul also. He was living with you.

Does he keep that same energy? That's a good point.

Oh no, he gets worse energy. He got worse energy. So it ain't even, God.

So does anybody think that Victoria was not obligated to tell Asia? You actually do? Come on now.

This is just a very complicated situation and there's only—

It's not that complicated.

Well, I mean, it's complicated.

There's only one person getting out of this scot-free is what I'm saying. He's pitting the two of you against each other. That's why I brought up before we came to the comments about the fact that you're still talking to Q and she's saying that Q was telling her that, hey, we gonna try to get at her so she can be our third.

That's a lie. That's a lie. That's the truth. That's a lie. That's the, my truth. That's what the message is.

That's what my truth was.

But your truth, you always had, be having fucking lies. I'm not hiding behind any lies. Basically, Asia, I was with him from 2012. Yeah, and you're still on it. You're still on it. Exactly. I am because basically, Tisha, you stole my man. Vicki, hey yo, do not play with me, cuz. Quit playing with me. Well, that's the truth, Asia. I mean, that's the truth. There's more stuff going on that you aren't going to be accountable for right now.

So Asia, so I'm going to tell you right now. So I understand completely the hurt that you feel. You were manipulated 100%. You deserve more respect than that when she walked into your house. I would have similar anger and pain in me if someone that I thought was a friend was sitting in my face and doing this. So I wanna let you know I understand what you're feeling, but what I don't get is why still continue a relationship with Q?

It's not a relationship.

Well, what is it?

We still are romantic. Romantic.

Got it. So my question is, if I'm gonna forgive him, why is it I can't forgive her? Now I can understand if you said to me right now, I am done with Q, I'm not talking to Q. I promise you, I promise you what would be coming out my mouth right now is, Victoria, you are crazy for sitting on this stage trying to ask this woman for forgiveness. That would've come outta my mouth if you would've said to me, I'm not talking to Q no more. But the minute you let me know you still talking to him, him. I'm like, I don't understand. That's some shit kids don't need. But see, even that, I don't get why you're so angry.

There's beef there because everybody knows whether it's right or wrong, when you absolutely love somebody, you tend to maybe be a little bit more lenient. But at this point, she was nobody to me, so it's easy for me to just write her off. And she keeps stalking me. Like, she keeps stalking me. Why am I here? Why am I here?

Well, you're here because she wants to, she did apologize.

She could have did that in the court the day after. Only thing I can say from it is for anybody young out there with friends, if you got something like this going on, tell them, tell them, okay? This is a dangerous game. You cannot play with people's emotions like this.

Be real. I get that, but I can also see how you're hurting and that hurt is being misguided. And that's the truth of it.

I hurt like crazy.

I know you are.

Nobody, like, I sat there in silence for hours. I felt betrayed, I felt used, lied to, manipulated.

But do you realize and recognize that the person who truly played with your emotions is Q?

Absolutely, 100%.

Yes.

100%. He played with both of our emotions. 100%. And I'm not gonna sit here and say that he didn't. I'm not, I'm not.

To a sense, I know that you, there's a sense of like, I'm in control because you said we're kind of romantic, but you still have an emotional involvement with him. And so there's an ability for him to do this again to you because your guard is down with him, but it's up with other women. And so when your guard is down with the wrong person, and I'm only saying this not about a friendship with Victoria because I can already see you are upset, you're done with this, but I do wanna make sure that I'm not gonna have you leaving here Having all this hatred in your heart, not realizing that there's a man that is still not treating you the way that you deserve to be treated.

Absolutely. Absolutely.

And you're forgiving someone who betrayed you and hurt you and who actually was trying to manipulate you even more than her because he was trying to convince her to like, get in there, let's figure out how to sneak in there so that we can have our little threesome or whatever. Like, I know you said she likes to play the victim, But to some degree she's a victim too because the same way he's gotten in your head, the same way he got in her head and was like, "Hey, when you get in this house, don't say nothing." And so all I'm trying to say, the biggest thing to me is that it's interesting that he's not even here in between y'all.

That's right.

Because at the end of the day, like Q should be sitting right here so I can talk to him. Yeah. Trust me, he ain't gonna be able to manipulate me.

Right.

And I'm gonna be able to get him to give the truth. And so I don't see this. I'm gonna let you know, you've said your apology, you've said your piece. I think the best thing for you is to just own that she's hurt and that there won't be a friendship. And I will tell you this much, to save yourself any future hassle, I know you've had a relationship with Q since 2012 on and off, and I know there's attachment there to some degree. While he's messing with you, with her, do yourself a favor and stay away. Stay away, stay away, stay away. But in the same vein, as I'm telling her don't push no relationship, I would just encourage you to say, let me think about where I'm channeling this anger and is it serving me? I really want you to seriously ask yourself.

It's not, I can tell you that. I can tell you.

You know it's not serving you?

It's not, you know, but I'm in the process of moving on and Try to find my life and all of that good stuff.

Okay, and I appreciate that, but I can tell you that growth is not gonna happen until you get rid of Q, all right? I'm gonna tell you that, I'm gonna tell you that point blank. Because if you're the seed, if you're the seed that needs to blossom, he is the shade that is keeping the sun from shining down on you. Okay, okay. Understand that, understand that, okay? I mean, you're fly, you're fly, and I just don't want this for you. And hopefully you'll both take my advice. Yeah, good luck to you both.

Okay.