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He then called my sister and told my sister, "Tell that B to stop calling my phone 'cause I'm married now." What?

And you said y'all 3 years in at this point? Yeah. And this little boy 38?

Yeah.

And you 60?

Yes.

Okay, I understand. When you say you gave your everything, what do you mean by that?

I met him, he had nothing.

I heard you moved him out, you bought him a ticket back. Uh-huh.

Yeah, and after he got married, we continued to see each other. I never, never, never left.

Why?

'Cause I love him. I'm in love with him.

Okay.

I'm in love with him.

Okay, still?

I'm in love with him.

Right now?

Right now.

Okay. Okay. Whew. So what'd you do?

I sold my home and moved to Augusta, Georgia while he was still married to this girl off of the account that he would get a divorce when I got there.

Hmm. And when you moved there, what did he do?

He continued to go back and forth between me and her.

So he didn't get the divorce?

He never got a divorce until the very end of it.

And how long ago was that?

He's been divorced now, I wanna say about 5 or 6 months.

Did you ever hear from his wife?

Me and his wife are best friends today.

Girl, you playing now.

No, I'm not.

You just said you was in a situationship, a throuple before. I'm still confused of why you friends with either of 'em. I am, I'm confused why you friends with either of 'em. He got married. He got married while he was in a relationship. You do know that, right? No? Okay, girl. So when was the last time you and JJ were intimate?

August 24th, 2024.

So a couple months ago.

Mm-hmm.

And when was the last time you saw him?

August 24th, 2024.

Are y'all in a relationship right now?

I don't know what the hell you, I mean, I don't know what to call it.

Now you can be real, 'cause I don't know what the hell to call it either. You can be real.

I don't know what the hell to call this, Karamo.

Okay. 'Cause there is so much to unpack here. My producers who can be shady sometimes said they made a timeline. Let me see this timeline y'all done made. Okay, so this is what happened. JJ moves in after meeting online. October, he visits his family in Georgia. Then November 2021 is when he marries another woman. Then 2022 is when you sell the house to be with him. August 24th, you two are intimate. And then 3 weeks ago, you visit JJ and buy him groceries.

Yeah, when I left Augusta, Georgia, I just couldn't take it no more. I was like, I'm the hell outta here. This is it. So I left Augusta, Georgia August the 28th and I came back to Wilmington, Delaware where I reside now. He then left Rensselaer, Georgia and moved to Hampton, Virginia with his cousin. We continued to talk. He asked me to come see him. I agreed to go down and see him 'cause I'm still there, I'm still in, I'm not out. So I go down there and I buy him groceries I buy him clothes, I get his haircut, I get him groomed.

Okay. So you asked our Unlock the Phone investigator to unlock JJ's phone 'cause you want to know if JJ was talking to other women, how JJ really feels about you, and if JJ will take this relationship seriously. Correct?

Correct.

I think it's time to welcome JJ to the show to hear his side of the story. So everyone, please welcome JJ.

How y'all doing?

So yeah. Hey, JJ, what's up? What's going on? I don't know.

Why am I on this show anyway?

Because y'all called.

I ain't call.

Well, she called and you accepted the invite. So what's going on? I don't know what's going on. Do you agree with the way Retta describes your relationship? That you were in a healthy, you were not healthy, excuse me, misspoke. That you were in a relationship for 3 years, then you lied and got married to another woman, and then you left that woman to be back with her? I mean, I ain't lie about anything. Okay, so you were telling her that you're not together, what?

I mean, yeah, I done told her that.

Okay. Did you ever have feelings for her? Yeah, in the beginning. Okay. And what happened?

I mean, we separated and I moved on.

Okay.

That's not true. What?

That's not true. Well, give me your version then.

What happened was—

Well, not your version, I know your version. I need JJ version.

I mean, she was tearing all my stuff up, kicking me out, just doing all kind of crazy stuff, so I moved on.

Were you doing that?

Yeah, 'cause he was in my house cheating on me.

Okay.

And I had evidence to prove it.

Got it. So did you see this timeline that we have of y'all relationship? You agree with this timeline? 'Cause it sound like you're saying that that's not accurate. So did you move in after being online in 2019? Hold on, so who? 2019, up top.

2019.

Did you move in?

Yeah, 2019, y'all moved in.

Okay, and then October 2021, you visit your family in Georgia?

No. Yes, you did. I moved home.

You moved home.

You went to visit. I ain't went to visit, how you gonna tell me? You still had clothes at my house.

Hold on, we got moving graphics up?

Yeah. Okay, hold on.

They don't tell me what's happening here, 'cause I'm like, what?

We broke up.

So you broke up in October 2021? Yes.

So you telling me when you left my home on October 15th, 2021, that me and you was not in a committed relationship?

No.

Yes, we were. And you know why we were? Because I called and asked you, was you getting married? And you told me no. I ain't talk to you. You did. Stop lying. That's why we're here today.

That ain't why we're here today.

You here— It's okay. But stop leading me on and stop playing with me, my money, my heart. I ain't leading you on nothing. Yes, you are.

Well, November 2021, you married another woman? Yes. Okay. And then May 2022, she sold her house to be near you? Yes. Okay. And then August 2024, were y'all intimate?

No, sir. I don't know nothing about that.

We wasn't together. Whoever's in the booth, y'all quick with the red lines and everything. I appreciate it. Okay, so what happened? So what happened in 2024?

What happened?

Yeah, what happened? August 2024 then? So y'all weren't intimate? Did y'all see each other during that time?

No, sir.

Okay, and so then 3 weeks ago, did she buy you groceries?

Yeah, she came down to visit.

Okay. Okay, did you ask her for money?

I mean— Every day. Every day. And you better not lie. Every day.

I don't know nothing about that right now.

Every day I give you. Every day you call me, I'm there for you. Anytime you need anything, I'm there for you. Don't you dare act like I ain't your backbone. Don't you dare.

This is the thing right here. I can already track behavior. I know you do use women. So I already know that. Listen, we unlocked your phone, JJ. So, well actually, hold on. Actually, my producer telling me we actually did not unlock your phone. Unlock 'cause you have a confession.

Red, I'm not unlocking my phone, period.

We are just friends. Our relationship ended 2021. We will never be in a relationship ever again.

I appreciate everything you done for me, but I'm moving on.

Ooh. You already did. You already did. JJ, what has been happening the last 3 years?

I mean, we wasn't together in the last 3 years.

Okay. You got your answers?

Yes, I do.

Okay, so I'm gonna ask you this, 'cause this whole thing right now, talking about you in love with this little boy right here is silly. I'm gonna ask you really quickly. So at what point did your self-esteem get broken that you felt like this is what you deserve? Because that's the real question we gotta talk about here. Because all these antics, all I heard was either a young woman that was hurt, never healed, and also you think you're his mama. That's what I heard both times. Like, don't do this. I'm not on your side. I'm just saying, I'm just like— I ain't on your side. I ain't on your side. You use women and you do some deceitful stuff and you gotta grow through that. You understand?

I said I don't use 'em.

So I'm gonna ask you again, at what point Did your self-esteem break that you stopped understanding what you deserve?

I don't know.

Okay, so that's the first place we gotta start.

I don't know.

Because for any grown woman who, I see the passion, I understand the hurt, but the choice to sell your house was not a JJ choice, that was a you choice. And that is a choice, that is a choice of somebody who doesn't understand their own worth, their own security, what they have to do for themselves. For themselves. If you could easily give up your own security for a man because you love him, that tells me something about your emotional and mental state. And that's what needs to be fixed. Jamari, so I'm gonna ask you this. When did the trust issue start for you in this relationship? Trust issue started when, I don't even, man. Man. Tell the truth. You want me to tell the truth? Yeah, bro, look, I ain't trying to make it look bad on here, bro.

Ain't nothing to look bad about.

I ain't trying to make it look bad.

I already opened my phone.

Like I said, bro, When we first met, it was not supposed to be what it was. I'm gonna let you know that. It was not supposed to be what it was. But— You were 16, you were young, and you met. She said that you were both in situations. I wasn't in no situations. I was in a great situation. What started the trust issues? So were you two— Did she cheat on you in the beginning? It wasn't even trust issues in the beginning. It was like when you first see somebody, You supposed to know, like, you can tell what type of person they is. How I met her, it was not supposed to go like this. Like, it was supposed to— So because of the choices you all made to have sex, your life went a different way. Is that what broke the trust issues? Because you were hoping that you two would be on the same page not to be in the situation you're in today? 'Cause I'm not getting a clear answer of what broke the trust issues. What broke the trust issues?

It was the past and how we met.

No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm trying to find— I know how to say— I know, I know what did. I'm just not trying to make somebody look bad. So it'll be times where, mind you, we were not living with each other. Like I said, I was living with my dad. So it'd be times where she would get kicked out her mama house on purpose.

She would call me. My cousin told me, if you tell her she can't go there and she kicked out, you don't think she gonna call somebody else? I'm like, nah, 'cause I ain't like that. Ain't like that.

Ain't like that. Every time she do come, it's always a dude dropping her off at my spot. Like, tell her how it sound. So that was true from your perspective. When you were getting kicked outta the house, you were staying with other guys?

No. You were saying that I got dropped off by guys, but again.

Okay, like be real.

Okay, but he just asked, did I stay with other guys? And I said no.

Deanna, so where was she staying the rest of the time? So because she got dropped off by other guys, you decided that there must be something going on. Did you ask her directly if something was going on? I didn't.

It wasn't supposed to be what it was.

When she got pregnant and you found out you would become a father, what happened then? That's where I fucked up at. 'Cause how we met, how things was going, okay, we was struggling, we was doing all that. Like I said though, I was good. So you said you matured when you became a mother.

Yes.

What ways do you feel like you matured?

I matured, again, like I said before, my naive ways. I matured in realizing life is too short and there's no reason to be arguing when you can simply communicate. But again, I have to work on my communication as well. But it doesn't work when it's just like, I feel like it's just not two of us trying to work. It's like we're going against each other when it can be so much easier.

Jamari, do you think you've matured? I can't mature. Why can't you? 'Cause I'm stuck in a relationship. So you think because of the relationship you're not able to have growth or do what you wanna do? No. No, 'cause every time I do something, like when I try to communicate, it make me feel like I'm just getting nowhere. But it's like, I want this bad because I got kids, you know what I'm saying? So, and it's like— You want what bad, the relationship? Nah, you can say that, man. You can say that. Do you wanna be in this relationship? I don't know. When he says he doesn't know if he wants to be in this relationship, how does it make you feel? Be real.

Hurt.

This is what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna go ahead and lock the phone, but I can tell y'all before I even unlock this phone that unlocking this phone is not gonna fix this relationship. It's not gonna fix it. So we'll get to unlocking this phone. That's what you wanted.

That's what you wanted. You told me to come try me.

You just tried me. Deonna, we unlocked your phone, okay? I don't mean nothing. Jamara, you wanna know if Deonna has been texting with other men. She says she's not. My unlock the phone investigator searched her phone and found she's telling the truth. You wanna know if Deonna has been DMing any other men. She says she's not. My unlock the phone investigator searched her DMs and she's telling the truth. You wanna know if Deonna has any inappropriate photos in her phone. She says she does not. I never wanted to know that. My unlock the investigator searched her photos and found that she is telling the truth. So we searched her phone and there's nothing in her phone. She's not been doing anything. I think it's clear to all of us. Now what I'll tell you is there's two things that's going on here and I can see it within the first minute. Jamar, you are very angry about a choice you made. I'm not angry. No, no, no, no, no. You gotta hear me out. You gotta hear me out. So let me teach Jamar. Jamar, I have given you the opportunity to sit down the entire time as you bombarded the stage, as you've talked over, you've even tried to silence my audience. And I've given you the entire time and respect to speak. You're right. That is right. So what I'm gonna ask you to do is give me the chance to speak. You're right. What I've noticed from you. You're right. What I've noticed from you is that you said immediately that where I went wrong was the minute that I got into a deeper relationship with her. Those were your words. The minute I went wrong. You said before we got into something, I was happy with my father. No, I was not. That's where you're wrong at again. I said we was getting into it with my father. That's what I'm saying. You're not really listening to me. You, you, you, you. That's my fault though. I should never came on stage like that. That's my fault. I should never did that. But that hurt me when she said I didn't want my kids. I care about my kids deeply. So the anger you have in you is understandable. You are a young man with two kids. It sounds like you had some issues at home and you're probably feeling like you're drowning. Yes, that's the only— That's the— Finally you got something right. Finally. I've gotten a lot right. But what I wanna tell you though is that though you are angry, doesn't give you the right in this moment or any other moment in your life to spit that anger towards others. Because what I'm gonna tell you—

That's wrong.

Yeah, you right. Because what I'm telling you is that more people would love to help you. I'm gonna tell you, this show is actually a place where I come to help people. That is the only reason I want the show, to be able to give people a first step on how to be better. It's not to air out just your dirty laundry or for you to come up here and talk your business. It's about to say, what can I do for young men like you who are angry to say, how can you be better? But because you're defensive, and you've admitted it, you're not allowing people in. No. So we do know one thing, first of all, is that this relationship needs to end. We'll start there. You two need to learn how to co-parent, but unfortunately you both need to end this. Deonna, look at me. I know that you had a relationship with this young man and that y'all were sweethearts in high school, but this relationship has been fractured from the beginning. But I will tell you this, if you can break up and stay broken up and start working on yourselves and find yourselves, it'll be the first step you'll have in actually getting the lives that you both desire. And I'll tell you one more thing. The hurt you're feeling and the anger you're feeling, it starts with grieving the life that you both thought you should have had. I'm gonna ask you both, would you like therapy in your young ages? To start speaking to somebody who can help you to figure out what you're feeling and to help you take those next steps. Can I say something? I just wanna answer that first. Would you like therapy? No, 'cause it's not like, okay, can I say something? Deonna, would you like therapy? You would like therapy. Deonna, that was a smart move. And Jamari, what I'm gonna do is after you walk backstage, if you change your mind, and you say to yourself, you know what, actually I wanna take him up on that offer. That offer stands. I'm not saying no, but it's like y'all just skipped past how I feel. Y'all just went straight to how she felt. Y'all didn't even say nothing. Lamar, we've all heard how you felt. Okay, well, what is it though? You've actually dominated this conversation. You've actually dominated this entire thing. When you watch this back, so you're in a place in your life because of the fact that no one's heard you. You do a lot of this, ah, no one gets me. No one understands me. I do get you. No one hears me. But everyone has been listening to you. We've all seen you and I've acknowledged your pain. And what I did to acknowledge your pain is offer you. So what I'm gonna tell you, on top of you grieving the life you had, you gotta stop saying to yourself, no one around me sees me, no one wants to help me. Because the more you keep doing that, the more you're gonna keep yourself in a victimhood that's gonna keep you down. Now that's a responsibility you have to take. Honestly, that's a responsibility you have to take. I'm offering you that first step because that is the first step to talk to somebody who's going to listen. I'm supposed to be talking to you, right? But you don't even understand me. You know what? So this is the thing. And it's funny. That's the problem. I want you to hear this one thing. I want you to hear this one thing. Do I have 10 sessions to give to you to really talk to you? If I did, it would work, but we don't. So that's why, what have I done? I've offered you someone who can give you those 10 sessions, who can talk to you and can listen to you. I understand my place here. My place is to give you a first step. Your place is to take that first step and then grow through your life, okay? So I thank you both for being here. I'm sorry for what you've been going through, and I hope that this first step helps both of you to start healing. You made it worse. Well, I really do hope that you take that first step honestly because I do see a brighter future. I have a bright future for you, but that step starts with you, not with me. This is not what it is. You can have a healthy relationship. When you think of a partner, what do you think? Somebody saying I love you, somebody who doesn't argue with you. Yeah, that's out there. I had my first child at 16. You can find love and success and happiness. This is not where it ends, but you have to make the choice. He's not ready. Are you ready? Give me a hug.

Good luck, okay?

So why are you suspicious of your daughter sleeping with your fiancé?

Well, because this, it wouldn't be the first time.

Oh.

If this is true, this would not be the first time.

Okay, hold on. So you're saying this has happened before?

This has happened before.

Tell me what happened before.

Okay, so me and, for a little backstory, me and my daughter, this is the only daughter I have, we've always been like super close. This is like my best friend. So, you know, we had the era of, you know, her dressing like me, you know, trying to wear a hat like me, and I thought it was just, you know, cute, you know, mother and daughter thing. So I had a boyfriend and she was always talking about how cute he was and handsome and stuff, and I'm thinking this is just, you know, the normal. But one day, so I'm upstairs, the kids are playing, you know, I'm calling my daughter. I'm like, Aniyah, Aniyah. She not saying nothing. And you know, I get up and I start tiptoeing down the stairs because I'm trying to see what's going on. She down there with my man. He pulling up his pants and running out trying to do like this, trying to get out of there. And I'm on his ass. I'm on his ass. Like I'm putting hands on him. You know, she on the couch trying to pull up her clothes and doing all this and that. And I'm like, she crying like she's sorry. And I'm like, yeah, I know you sorry because you out of line. You shouldn't have did that. You know, so we, you know, I did put her out for 6 months. I put her out. I didn't talk to her. It was nothing, 'cause you wrong.

How long ago was this?

This was like 3 years ago.

Okay, 3 years ago. 3 years ago.

You know, so we didn't talk for 6 months. We built a bridge. We got past that.

Okay.

So fast forward.

You didn't speak for 6 months?

Yeah, we didn't speak for 6 months.

Okay. Wow, okay then. And so you passed that, you built a bridge, you felt like, okay, I can forgive you. You can come back in.

Yes.

Okay then. How long did it take you to break up with that man after that?

Oh, his ass was gone that same day.

Got it, okay, good.

Let's make it so. Gone that same day.

Let's make it so, okay then. So how do you think she did? Why do you think she did this to you?

I think it's a little jealousy, a little resentment because again, I was a little harder on her coming up because she was boy crazy. You know, that ain't the first boy that I chased out the house, but that was my man, you know? I chased the other few boys out, but I didn't expect to chase my man out the house.

Of course.

So, you know, we built the bridge, we got past that. And fast forward to now, I met my fiancé, we've been together for a year and a half. And he's like the man of my dreams. Like, he's great with my children, everything. I feel like I found my true love. And we're supposed to get married in 2 months.

Yeah.

Invitations that went out and everything.

Wow, okay then.

But my women's intuition is telling me this is happening to me again.

Got it.

And I'm hoping and praying that this is not the case.

Got it. So what is it that's got your woman's intuition got you thinking that this is happening?

A few things. Okay, so the first thing is she has a big butt. I'm not gonna lie. Unfortunately, I don't have that. She got the booty. And she comes to my house with these little shorts on and tight clothing and always bending over and he be looking with his little googly eyes. I done caught him a few times. I'm like, what you doing? Oh no, I was looking at the TV. You wasn't looking at no damn TV. You was looking at her butt. And then he calls her Big Booty Judy. I'm like, why you calling her that? What's going on with that? And so then she calls his phone in the middle of the night. And when I answer the phone, she's like, oh. I'm like, why you calling my man? She's like, well, I was trying to call you. Remind you, I don't got no calls, no missed calls from her, no text messages, no nothing. Then for my birthday, he took me to Chili's to get a 2 for $25. But for her birthday, he gave her $150. And his excuse was, oh, I didn't get paid then when her birthday they came, I had more money. Like, no, that's not cool. And then my friend told me she saw them at a bar hugging and kissing. He denied it though. He denied it. He was like, me and her didn't go to the bar together. We met up at the bar. And I was like, so you wasn't hugging and kissing on her? And he was like, no. And I'm like, boy, you lying through your teeth.

Well, my producers told me before we bring anyone out, there's something they want you and I to look at. What is it?

We been messing around. And that it's over with. I just want to let her know. And if they still pretend to decide to get married, I just want to get that off my conscience of being honest with her about everything. I want to tell her I'm sorry for even lying to her, my mama, and try to work on fixing everything.

That's what I'm saying.

She blackmailed me all the time.

Oh, if you don't come, I'mma tell him. I'm like, oh, come on now, man, come on. But I was in the wrong. I should never done it no way, you know. Besides, her mother, she come around me a little tight.

Yeah, enticing me in, man.

I don't know, man. I just want to get it out the way and come clean.

It's trifling, son of a.

What is your reaction to that?

I'm pissed off right now. I'm pissed off, I'm hurt, I'm angry because I had this suspicion. I felt it and I knew I wasn't tripping and they've been gaslighting me this whole entire time. This whole entire time they've been doing this. I don't even think I could look at them right now. I don't think I can.

Well, we have to bring out your daughter Aniyah. Because she wants to tell us her side of the story. So everyone, please welcome Anaya to the show. Anaya, so your mother knows now the truth. Why did you do it again?

Honestly, I wanna apologize. No, Anaya, no, no, no, no, no. I asked you multiple times, were you messing with him? How many times did I ask you that? A lot. So why did you have to do this to me again? Why, Anaya? I've been back there crying, hoping this wasn't true. You know everything that we done been through, Aniah. You know everything that I have been through. Why would you do this to me again? I still feel like I had some resentment towards you for a lot of stuff. For what? Growing up, it was harder on me more. I wasn't able to go places, do things. I had to grow up way faster than what I had to. Help raising my brothers and the boys and him.

Did he pursue you or did you pursue him?

He pursued me.

He pursued you.

That bastard.

He pursued you.

We were drinking one night. But you didn't have to do it though, Aniah. You didn't have to do it.

Did he tell you that he loved you?

He said that a lot of times and he told me that he was gonna leave you. What? Oh, he said he was gonna leave me? Bring his ass up. Where is he at? Where he at? Where he at?

When did this happen before?

When he came to my house after we got done, he was like he wanted to leave her and I was like, this was a mistake, but I'm not finna let you leave her. That's not gonna— It was a mistake? You repeatedly doing it?

Can I ask you a question? Your mother said that this happened once before when you were younger. How old were you at that time?

I was like 16.

Okay, you were 16, got it. What happened when your mom found out the first time?

I know she chased him out the house. She came back, we got into it, she put me out.

Okay.

And we kind of rebuilt our relationship from that, but. And for you to do what? Again. For you to do what? To do it again. So you bring me, to do it again, right? I'm fixin' to marry this man, Aniah. We supposed to be getting married in less than 2 months.

What happened to your daughter and what's happening right now is a direct consequences of 2 things. It is first, the lack of boundaries because you said out of your own mouth growing up, you treated her like your best friend.

Right, yeah.

And then secondly, and this is what I'm gonna say to you in hopes that there can be real conversations for healing. Your daughter was, the victim of a predator the first time. Now, I know you made the response that kicked him out, but the second part of this is what has damaged this relationship. And I'm, you were reacting with the best you knew how, so I'm not gonna sit here and beat you up, okay? But in the moment when you then argued with her and kicked her out, What that does for a child is it takes away security. It takes away my ability to understand sexuality as I'm maturing as a woman. It makes all of these things confused that she's only now 23 and those things have never been solved. And so because that behavior happened once, in her mind it hasn't been healed that this is not the way you react that men should never be like this. And this is not an excuse for your behavior, but it's an understanding. You were a child that should have never had a grown man lay with you. You were a child that should have never had a grown man convince you. And you were a child that when that happened, your mother should have brought you in closer instead of kicking you out. Tanisha, if you want this relationship to heal, you have to bring her in now.

Yeah, you right. I'm not gonna lie, I'm hurt. And he's right, you know, I did drop the ball when you was younger with that situation. So I wanna apologize to you about that. And family means everything. You're everything to me. Like, you my daughter. I only have you. You're the only daughter I have. I'm just, I'm hurt right now, I am, but I love you. I do, I do, I love you. And we gonna get through this, but it's gonna take some time, Aniah. I have to be able to trust you. I have to be able to trust you, daughter. You have to stop the lying, you know, you can't, You can't continue to do this to me. You can't. You can't.

So the same way that the trust has to be rebuilt with you, she has to rebuild the trust in her mind with you as well.

Right.

But you did a beautiful thing right now.

It's taken a lot.

I know it is. I know it is.

But that's my child. That's my child. He gotta go. I'm done with him. But this is my child and I owe it to her.

So. Aniyah, how does it make you feel hearing How do you feel hearing your mom say this?

I feel a little relief from the past stuff. I just need to work on myself. I wanna rebuild. I want us to have that relationship, Aniyah. We need to have that. I do too.

She has told you she's going to bring you in. She's gonna try to work on the trust. You are not 16 anymore. You have to be responsible for your choices, even through your pain. So why are you sure that Xavier could be the father?

There is no other chance. Like I said, right after me and him had that encounter, from there I completely was slowly, of course I didn't do a 180 overnight, but slowly but surely I was changing my life around. And I know that I know this is Xavier's child.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. I always have to ask this, what will you do if the results come back that he's not the father?

I mean, like I said, this is his child.

Yeah, you know.

But I mean, I don't know what I would do. I mean, it's gonna be, Shocking 'cause I'm like, okay, well what?

Yeah, like what going on? Yeah, okay.

But this is his child.

My producer told me that you did meet up with Xavier last night.

Yes.

And you two fell back into old patterns?

Yes. Yes.

I know.

He did. We initially didn't go to the room together, but he did come over.

Got it.

And yes.

Has he met or seen the baby?

No, he has not seen it. He didn't wanna see a picture just because he wants to know that he knows that this is his child.

Before he gets to know that it's his child.

And he says he doesn't want to have that emotional attachment because he had been through this with someone else where someone else had lied to him and told him that she was pregnant.

So he hasn't even seen a picture?

No picture.

No picture. Wow. So with y'all cooking up last night, is there some, could there be something more that could happen? Like, is he in a relationship?

No, from what I know, no. But, and we did have this talk, I told him that I really just want to be there for Kayden. I feel like co-parenting. Co-parenting.

Yeah, yeah.

I really just feel like if we start If we try to build something, I don't feel like right now that we're in a place where it's gonna be healthy.

Got it.

Just where I'm at mentally. Yeah. I need to really just be here for Kaden and focus on building myself up.

Got it.

Okay.

Well, I think it's time to hear what Xavier has to say about this. So everyone please welcome Xavier to the show. Hey Xavier, how you doing, man? Thank you for being here. So Xavier, what do you have to say about what's, what you just heard? It's 100% accurate. It's just the ghosting part. Yeah, okay. So the reason why I did what I did, because previous she told me she was pregnant. I said, okay, all right, I'm gonna have my first child. She asked for money, I give it to her, you know, support. And then she just—

But I feel like in that moment you could have at least, we could have at least moved forward with at least saying, hey, like, can we at least do a paternity test or, I just feel like instead of ghosting, there could have been something for you to be there for me instead of you just completely walking out.

Nah, it was about how you went about it though. It's all that.

So how did I go about it?

It's about how you communicated to me.

Because the first thing that I sent you was an ultrasound. I sent you two ultrasounds and then I asked for money, but that was like a month and a half later.

Yeah, but at the time I'm confused 'cause I didn't wanna go through the same thing I went through before, you feel me? It's just the you asking for money part, it's just problematic. So why did the money part throw you? I know you said that before another woman had did this to you. But why did that throw you? 'Cause I think, well, the reason I'm asking that question, 'cause whatever this lesson is for you that you are experiencing, maybe someone else at home is experiencing that and can maybe make a different choice. So like I said, how she broke it down to me, she was like, you can just financially be there without physically being there.

But going back before money was in the equation.

I've been buying things which hasn't been the easiest. If you wanna Zelle this number or Apple Pay me, you know, help financially support our child, that would be very much appreciated. And then you say, happy Father's Day.

So before though, the money thing, before asking for money from March to May, before even money was brought, because I knew not to ask him for money initially.

Yeah.

So before even asking for money, why from March to May we couldn't figure something out there when I sent you those ultrasound? Right.

So did you tell 'em about the phone call we had when you first called me? Go to the phone call. Tell me. When she first told me that she was pregnant. Yeah. When she told me, she told me that I didn't have to physically be there, just financially just support him. Then I didn't agree with that. I was like, if I'm gonna have a son, I'm gonna be in his life. Yeah. I'm gonna go both ways, you feel me? Yeah. So yeah.

But I feel like I didn't just ask you for money initially and I do have the phone call recorded. I didn't just ask you for money initially. I do. 'Cause I knew that this was his kid and I was scared. I didn't know him from a can of paint, so I didn't know who he was.

Yeah, of course, yeah.

So like I said, I understand the shock. I don't judge you for wanting me to have an abortion. That was my first thing. That was my first initial reaction. My just thing was like, why do you feel like just because I asked for money, there was like, you had to feel like that I was, I'm not her. You know what I mean? Like you could have—

It came outta nowhere though. At the end of the day, you came outta nowhere.

But at the end of the day, we did both come and have sex. So it takes two people.

Do you have any other children? No. No other children. So this would be your first? Yeah. Yeah. Xavier, what happened last night? We were just chilling. Just chilling. Talking.

Okay.

I mean, we already know y'all reconnected and hooked up. So you told producers that you had no interest in seeing what the baby looked like. Why? I wanted to know on paper that he's mine. Yeah, before you see. Before I see. So you haven't caught one glimpse of the child, anything? Haven't seen the child at all? Nah, I don't. Okay. Until I know for sure he's mine. So if I put up a photo in the back right now, are you okay with that to see what the photo is? You're not gonna turn around? Nah. Okay.

But why? I just, I really wanna know that. Like, why do you feel like just leaving me, not even seeing a picture? I wanted you to at least see him. Like, I want you to know who he is.

How old is the baby now?

He was 5 months.

5 months, okay. I will get attached quick, you know what I'm saying? No, I understand you wanted to protect yourself emotionally. It's similar to what you were doing in a different instance, and I understand both sides. It's like, if we made this baby, and I'm confident that we have, I want you to see them and I want you to be a part. But at the same rate, similar to how you were like, I gotta protect my emotions, I see that you're like, if I see this child, I'm gonna get attached, and then if it possibly turns out to not be mine, now I found myself falling for a child. And you said this happened to you once before. Before where a woman pinned a baby on you? And was that, at that time, was it found out that the child wasn't yours? Child was never here. Yeah, yeah, I get it. If this is your baby, are you gonna try to have a relationship? Yeah. With her? Yeah. Yes? Yeah. Yes? I mean, I clearly know you're attracted to her and I feel, I like your temperament right now. I mean, I know you're not in the space for it, but does that make you a little happy?

It does, but I don't know him. This is like, Literally, I'm meeting him for the first time, essentially. So it's just like, I just really just wanna focus on us for Kaden. Not us for each other.

Yeah, I love that. Listen, I'm all about co-parenting and making it healthy, 'cause it makes it healthier for the child. But I think it's time to unlock the DNA truth. Tabitha, in this envelope is the DNA truth that you've been waiting for. This is your truth. Truth to open that mind, so here you go.

Xavier, like I said, I don't judge you for what you did. I'm very forgiving. I forgive you. I just wish you would have been there for me.

Yeah, I'm sorry for that. Like I said, at the time I was confused and I'm gonna make it up to you and I hope that he's mine.

Thank you. Like I said, I'm very sorry.

Deadass, I'm sorry for not being there.

I forgive you, you know? Okay. Xavier, Kaden is your biological son. Let's go!

I see it. So Xavier, I have one question for you. Are you ready to see what your child looks like? I'm not ready. Can we pull up the photo now? Oh. That's a little happy, cute baby. That's a beautiful baby.

How do you feel? Good.

He look like me. He does look like you.

Yeah, I think he has his eye shape and his nose shape.

He does have your eye shape and your nose shape. He has your smile. Yeah.

He's saying mama, but I've been trying to teach him that actually.

He got my eyes, my forehead.

So how? Just from your perspective.

Yeah.

How do you think we can move forward co-parenting? I just, I want this to be healthy and obviously us hooking up last night should not have been a thing.

Yeah.

And I just, I really want him to grow up knowing that we both love him.

Yeah. Well, I can tell you, I believe that he'll grow up knowing that there's love because what I've just seen here and I've seen many couples in front of me before, the communication and the temperament was very clear that you all are going to be able to co-parent. I believe that. As long as you don't allow any outside factors to come in between y'all, y'all will be able to do that. Because part of what you need, yeah. Part of what you both need is security. Security is going to help you to trust more. And if you all can be that security for each other in a non-codependent way, but in a way of like, I just wanna talk to you, like you said before, building your friendship. And especially since you're gonna be in each other's lives for the rest of your lives, It's gonna be nice if you can build a foundation now of like, hey, I just wanna be you, somebody I can lean on. I don't need you to solve my problems, but I just wanna know that you're a safe space for me to talk to. And if you all can remember that, this co-parenting journey is going to be beautiful for the next 25, 30 years. Okay? Congratulations, Xavier.

Appreciate it.

You got a beautiful baby boy. A very beautiful baby boy. So you believe that your sister might be your mom?

Yes, I do believe that my sister might possibly be my mom and I'm here to have you help me find out the truth.

So why do you believe that Christina could be your mom?

Multiple reasons. First being the big age gap of 20+ years between me and my other siblings and my mother being 46 when she had me. It just kind of never added up.

So you're saying that the woman who raised you was 46, that's your mom?

Yes.

And so you're saying because she was so much older that you're like, there was a thing. And what is the age gap between you and your sister?

22.

22 years, got it. So my producers told me that you found a photo or something.

Yes.

Can you tell me about that photo?

So the first photo I found was from my first birthday. Birthday and it was a picture of my birthday cake and it said Francine on it, which didn't make sense because my name's Francesca and I was just like, did they spell it wrong? What happened there? But then I found another picture of my sister Christina in a wedding dress pregnant.

Oh.

And then on the back of it, it said a month before my birthday. So I messaged my sister-in-law I sent her the picture. She said, you know, this is something you gotta talk to Christina about.

Oh.

So I texted Christina. I said, hey, is there anything you need to tell me? She goes, no, why? I'm like, are you sure about that? She goes, yeah. I said, so what's this? And I sent her the picture.

Hold on, we have that photo. Can we pull it up so everyone can see? So this is the photo that you had and it had happy birthday.

Francine.

Francine.

Towards the bottom.

Okay.

And then there was that.

And this is a photo of your sister.

Yes.

And this was her pregnant?

About a month before my birthday, when I was born.

Got it, okay, so now you're on the phone with her and you said, you said, so is there anything you care to tell me? Any big secrets you have? She said, no, why? You sent her the photo. You a little messy for sending that photo, by the way, you know that? 'Cause you said over the okie doke, you're like, "Hey, hold on, you ain't." "Oh no, you don't?" Boom, okay. So he says, "Sure about that? Where did you get that?" Hmm, that's an interesting response. "That doesn't matter. Are you gonna come clean or not?" Clean about what? "That I was married and what else? Pregnant?" Okay, wow, okay. And so what did you do after that?

Well, after that I messaged my other sister to see if she had anything to say. She told me, "Go talk to her mom." So I called my mom and she denied the whole thing when I asked her about it.

[Speaker] Got it, okay.

[Speaker] I said, "Is there anything, you know, you wanna tell me?" And I told her about the picture that I found, Chrissy pregnant, married. She goes, "Oh yeah, Chrissy, you know, lost the baby." [Speaker] Got it. [Speaker] I said, "Are you sure about that?" [Speaker] Yeah. [Speaker] I was like, "Did she lose the baby or did you take the baby?" "and was that baby me?" Because it doesn't add up with the timeframe.

[Speaker] Of course, of course.

[Speaker] So she started yelling, screaming, arguing, denying, denying, denying. And that was about a year ago I found out.

[Speaker] Wow. So let me stop really quickly because I know that I'm joking about you being messy on there, but like also, also this is a lot.

[Speaker] It is.

[Speaker] Because you're trying to piece together things and looking at them and one point maybe you're far off, but the other part, It seems like your soul is telling you that there could be something here.

Yeah.

Why is this maternity test important to you?

As of right now, I feel like I don't have a mother and I wanna know for sure because the mother that I thought I knew growing up could possibly not be. And it's just, I just need to know for sure.

Okay, well I think it's time to meet Christina, your sister who you think potentially could be your mother and hear what she has to say. Everyone, please welcome Christina to the show. Hi, Christina. Thank you for being here.

Thank you.

So Christina, I have to ask you, what do you feel about what you just heard?

Well, right now I want just the results. I wanna see the results and let the truth be out.

Well, we don't usually get to it this fast, but, okay, listen, okay. I think it is time for you to solve this 26-year-old DNA mystery. Francesca, you have went on your own search and it seems like you're putting clues together and your sister's saying it's time for you to get to your truth. So here's your truth to know if this is your sister or your mother.

Thank you. Christina is your biological mother.

So, okay, okay, so you feel like something hit you in your stomach?

Yeah, it just like just hit me in my stomach right now.

Yeah, I can understand now why you're trying to get to this because obviously you've known the truth.

I've known the truth, of course, my whole life.

Why did you hide such a big secret?

I didn't wanna hide the secret secret. I always wanted her to know the truth. It was just my parents, they wanted to keep the secret.

Um, so can I be clear? So is her mother her grandmother? Mhm.

Wow. Yes.

Did, did, did you suspect that?

I've always had a feeling with— because of the age, the age, and just everybody always say too, like, "Oh, is that your grandmother? Is that your grandmother? She's so old." And I'm just like, "No, that's my mother." But—

Yeah. Are you in a bit of shock?

Little bit, yeah. Still been in a shock.

Yeah. Christina, why did your mother take custody of your daughter?

Yeah, I'd love to know that actually. Well, I got pregnant with her before I got married to her biological father. He had left us and I was just confused. I didn't know what to do being a single parent and I was still young. I wish things were different. It's just things I didn't know back then. And my parents offered me her to help me with her and a couple years later down the road, they wanted to adopt her.

Did you have other children other than Francesca? Yes. Okay.

I have two, a boy and a girl.

Did you know those kids growing up?

As my niece and nephew.

Now you know them as your sister and brother.

Which is a big, huge difference.

Yeah.

My other two knew the truth.

Wow.

That kind of just—

Wow.

I'm growing up thinking my niece my niece and my nephew, or my niece and my nephew, but then they're growing up like, oh, she's actually my sister and we have to keep this whole big secret from her. Wow. I would tell people she's my daughter because—

Yeah, tell her.

I couldn't come out and say she's my sister to other people. You could have told people and you could have told me and everybody else that I was your daughter. Because once I turned— Once I turned 18, what are they gonna do?

[Speaker:KARAMO] Well, I'll tell you this. There's gonna be a lot of healing that has to happen here. But what I want you to know is it sounds like this was for your best, as misguided as it was. And if you can hold onto the fact that they kept you in the family, I've seen stories like this where people were removed from the family and were left alone and are always like, well, why was I the only one? They were trying to keep you close, misguided, Very misguided. But at least you know the players in your family, you know what was going on. And I hope that at least gives you a little comfort that the people around you were at least trying to show you care. And if you want to rebuild a relationship, it will never be a mother-daughter relationship, I don't believe. But you can build a relationship full of trust if you can be transparent with her from this point on.

Yes.

Yeah.

Controlling. So how I be controlling? But you ain't following. Narcissist, what did that mean?

No, no, no, no, you—

What'd that mean?

You're not, you gotta control everything. Everything that we do, you got to be in control of. That's just a fact.

Can you stand up and do that though? Can you be in control?

Yes, I can. If I'm allowed to.

Oh, okay.

If I'm allowed to. But I'm not allowed to if what you want.

Manipulative, how is that? How can I get in your mind when you don't even open up?

'Cause you always point to your brain. You always point to your brain. You always point to your brain.

Yeah, yeah.

I need to be here, I need to be here.

That's right, I need to be mentally here.

So that's how you manipulate folks.

So that's how you manipulate folks. A cheater, mm. Yeah. So when did I cheat on you? Now the story that you just gave, that was before we got married. And we was only dating for 4 or 5 months.

I said that, so I said before we got married.

And before, you should be honest with you.

I said before we got married.

That's right, and I was honest, okay.

Okay.

Conniving, so that means what? Kind of scheme? Mm, what have I done to you? Evil, conniving.

So let me ask you this, so you're saying that the first time he did admit this, he said it was when y'all were beginning starting to date. But the second time when he knocked on the hotel door, y'all were married at that point, right? No, we weren't. You weren't married at that point?

We were not.

Okay then, are you cheating on him now?

No.

Okay then. So you saw that he cried when you looked at your wedding photo. How did that make you feel knowing that he was crying when he saw your wedding photo?

It made me feel good 'cause I know that the love is there and I know that the love is genuine.

I love you unconditionally, man.

Yeah, you told me the second week you met me.

I do two things.

I do one, I told you. I love you so much, the second week.

That's right, 'cause I knew I found the person I wanted to be with and that I thought in the beginning was gonna be genuine throughout until those incidents happened.

But you had a girlfriend when we met, but when we met you was asking for.

Yeah.

With a girlfriend?

That wasn't my girlfriend.

But you just said it was.

That was a one night stand. Okay. Well, William turned over his phone because he wanted to unlock his phone and so, Raquel, you want to know if William has been on any dating sites. You want to know if William has any explicit photos on his phone. And then if he's communicating with any other women. Raquel, I gotta ask you, what's on the line?

Well, you know, he know what time it is. I done told him before, baby, I got the papers. I keep 'em ready, baby. They stay in the side drawer. You know what I'm saying? I ain't got no kids by him. I don't owe him nothing.

Okay, so I heard you say that earlier. I thought you was joking. really keep divorce papers in the side? Yeah, she got a paper. I seen them.

But he said he didn't see what I'm saying.

Hold on. Why you got divorce papers? It's as if you're hoping that this would fail.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I don't know how long she done. How long have you had her? About six months.

Six months. About six months into our marriage or six months ago.

Mm. Backtrack. Six months. You know, July, December.

What happened at six months ago that made you say, let me get divorce papers?

Cause he always show up bright and loud in front of other people and then he speak his truth.

Like what do you mean? Family, friends? He will talk about your relationship very boastfully or like aggressively? Yes. And then when he's with you, you don't communicate?

Shut down. Walk past me. I might tell Karamo and turn around and he gone.

We don't have communication. So why is it that when you're with other people you're able to communicate about the relationship but you're not? 'Cause they ain't all down my throat like she is. Okay, what is he saying?

So he talks about his other woman, you know, that they died and all this stuff together. He talk about the other one.

So he talks about exes. Okay, so it's not that he's talking about your relationship when you're around, when he's out with other people. He talks about things that you find inappropriate.

Yes.

Okay, I understand.

Yes.

Quit asking inappropriate questions then, you won't get the answer that you asking. Come on now. So are you asking? No. Are these prompted?

Uh-uh.

Okay, so, but when he's home, you're saying there's no communication with you. So what do you mean? Are you asking him about his feelings, what he wants in relationships? What are you asking him at home?

I love to, I love just what he said, pick his mind. It's not picking his mind, it's just wanting to know what's in there.

So when she asks you about yourself, do you open up? Sometimes. Why sometimes? Because it may not be the answer she looking for. Okay. You know what I'm saying? I told her once, I love the person that I am. I love the way I'm built, you know what I'm saying? It may not be the way that you like, but it's the way I like. This is the way I am, this is the way I'm built. I get that, I get that. And you should love the way you are, who you are, and as you are. But my question is, why are you not able to open up? Because if you're in a relationship, in a marriage, you have to be able to communicate. Man, I've been down that road, man, to where I done been hurt so many times, man. I just rather be shut off. Got it. You know what I mean? I'm tired. Uh-huh, I get it.

I don't wanna hear it. It sounds like past stuff though. It sounds like he put me with the past and he's not allowing us to live in the future.

That does what it sound like, but we are about to unlock some phones to see if that past is in the future or in the present. So it's time to unlock the phone. William, it's time to unlock your phone. You wanna know if William is on any dating sites. William said he is not. My Unlock the Phone investigators searched his apps and found he's telling the truth.

Finally, finally, finally. Finally.

One man, please.

Finally.

Man, go ahead on with that, Shawty. Raquel, you wanna know if William has any explicit photos on his phone. William says he does not. None. My Unlock the Phone investigators searched his photos and found that William is Zero. Telling the truth. Zero.

You're a zero.

All right, Raquel, you wanna know if William is communicating with any other women. William said he did not. None. My lie detector phone investigator searched his phone and found— None. He's telling the truth. None. I'm that guy. I'm that guy. You know what I mean? All right, so how do you feel knowing that we didn't find anything in his phone?

Lame.

Uh-huh, lame?

He lame. I mean—

You want him to show you something?

Lame? Absolutely not.

Then what do you mean, like you—

He's not giving me anything. Uh-huh.

So you're saying—

I get nothing.

So you're saying even the bad, even the bad would be something for you because you feel like it would give you some type of energy.

To work in, to work through. Yes, yes.

It's misguided, but I understand what you're saying.

I do understand what you're saying.

It's misguided, but I do understand what you're saying. Well, Raquel, it's time to unlock your phone. Yeah. Yeah. Well, William, you wanna know if Raquel's communicating with any other men. Raquel said she is not. My locked-the-phone investigator searched her texts and found that Raquel is not telling the truth. What? Get the fuck outta here. Investigator found two conversations with a man named Baby.

Who the fuck is Baby?

Ooh, excuse me. Who the hell is Baby, man? So it says Baby, it says, when are you free again? "I can get out now, boo. You ready to see me again, baby?" So that's what you be doing in the car then? "See you soon." Okay. So this just— So this one says, "Call me on this number. I'm out and about. Call me when you get a moment, all right?" Ain't this a bitch? Okay. All right, I think I know exactly who the hell that is, man. Okay. Well, you wanna know if Raquel is on any dating apps? Raquel says she is not. Ma locked the phone, investigators searched her apps, and found that Raquel is not telling the truth. Raquel has two dating apps, Singles and Kendra G Singles Dating, downloaded on her phone as recently as August of 2024. Why you be married, man? Why be married, man? Real talk. Why be married, cuz? I don't do nothing to you. Nothing. I don't do nothing to you, bro.

That's the problem. You do nothing. You do nothing.

You know what?

You're mundane. You know what?

You can have all that noise, man. You can have all that noise, man.

Okay, period.

William, you wanna know if Raquel has been direct messaging with any other men. Raquel says she is not. My Lock the Phone investigator searched her DMs and found she's not telling the truth.

94.

My investigator found 94 DMs between Raquel and 3 different men. And these were after you were married as recently as a year. Love you, you're looking sexy. So this one was in January 2024. Yeah, ma'am, so you ain't gotta get. Man, get the fuck outta here, bro. Let this warm you up. Really? Uh-huh. Meet me at blank oyster and food. Here, so we have the messages. That's how we living? So these are all— We live foul like, bro. Excuse my language, man. No, you're fine. You just found out your wife is not being faithful, so I understand it. So these are all the messages that we found. 4 years, dog. 4 years. 3, 3, 2, 1, whatever.

Right, zero.

It's going, it's down the drain, bro.

It's going down in the DM.

But Raquel, it's interesting because I've been tracking what you've been saying and you're saying, I'm gonna give you these to look at backstage. You're saying that you want him to fight for you, but your actions have proved this relationship isn't worth fighting for.

I don't want it, man. But this is the last year. All this within this year.

I think when I asked you the question earlier if you are in love, you said you're not in love anymore. You even brought divorce papers here.

Mm-hmm.

So you brought divorce papers here?

The same ones he told me that I never had.

Yeah, so the fact that you brought 'em here and you know you're a very intelligent woman, and women, so you knew we were gonna find some in your phone. And so this was sort of the last nail you needed in that coffin to say, "I'm done." Absolutely. Because you know he's done now too.

Mm-hmm. It's not a problem.

William, what do you have to say to Raquel? I ain't got shit, bro.

Once again, he got nothing.

It was a pleasure meeting you. You're out of this relationship. I hope that you actually take those divorce papers, y'all, in this relationship and y'all move forward and you find what you need in life. I really do wish you the best of luck.

Thank you.

I'm gonna ask you to leave the stage so I can have a moment with William.

Thank you.

Thank you so much. I'm glad you got your answers. I think you already had your answers in you before. I have given my all to women. I should be living my best life by myself. But I choose to be in a relationship. So hear me out and this is what I need you to know. I do believe there's a woman out there that's going to value you. But before you find that woman, you gotta do some work on yourself. And that work does not start with shutting down, it starts with opening up, okay? I don't want you alone and I don't want you shut down, okay? You deserve love and you deserve happiness, but you've gotta do the work to get there. So then why did you at that point take the DNA test? It was interrupting my life. So I had to stop work to go down there to do it. And then it's like every time I get a raise, it'll go up. So I start calling her, "Hey, we gotta figure this out." 'Cause I know I ain't the daddy, you know I ain't the daddy. So what's going on? Got it, got it, got it, okay. So when did you find out that there were two other men? When the producer called me, "Hey, yeah, hey, so, hey, yeah, we want you to come to the show. We heard you the daddy." I said, "I probably ain't." They said, "Well, yeah, it's two other guys, maybe three." I said, "What the?" I didn't know what to do, you know what I'm saying? So I'm just like, yeah. My producers be so messy sometimes. They so messy sometimes. Oh man. Okay then, so what do you want the DNA results to be today? Do you want it to be your child? Because you could be potentially. No, I'm not. You say you're not? I mean, like I said, I got, like she know me. But I'm also writing down the timeline here. You might have been together when the baby was conceived.

We was still together when she conceived.

When the baby was conceived, so. We probably wasn't together. We was just probably dealing around, but I'm— But dealing around, that's all I'm saying is— Yeah, we all knew at the same time.

Everybody was one nice dude.

All of my children look the same, so once I brought this baby around my other children, my oldest daughter was like, "Who baby is this?" Got it. I said, "That's your sibling." She said, "Never." So it was just like— So because the looks, the looks are different. Yeah. But you just said that every, all of—

Everybody was one nice dude.

Got it, so Ron, Ramon, and Rio were all one nice dude.

Everybody was one nice dude. Okay, it was, it was the liquor, the music, and the phone.

And the phone, you was on it. Yeah, I hear you. Okay, well, I think it's time to meet, um, Ramon. And so everyone please welcome Ramon to the show so we can get his side of the story. How you doing, man? Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you too. Ramon, this is Ron. Ron, Ramon. It's my first time seeing you. I don't wanna make any motherfucking assumptions, but whatever, you know what I mean? How you doing? I'm all right, how about yourself? I'm good, thank you. What are your thoughts on what you just heard? You know, things happen. One night stand, yeah. Yeah. I don't know, for real. Were you surprised and shocked when you got this call? Yeah. So how long ago did you learn about this DNA mystery that you potentially might have a daughter? Like 2 years ago. 2 years ago. I had first got outta jail. Seen her in a club.

Yeah, he had got locked up.

Once I seen him though, I knew.

Yeah, Karamo was like, "Oh, that's her daddy." That's who you think the daddy is? I knew. He was on it, "That's her daddy, that's her twin." She looks just like him and they act alike and everything.

Okay, okay. My producer was telling me that this has happened to you before where you have been told that you had children that were not yours. Wow. Yeah, it happened like 3 times. 3 times? Yeah, it was like in the streets.

Street.

I never knew about that.

I never knew about that.

Got it. We ain't get too deep in there. We talk too much. Yeah. Um, are you involved in your potential daughter's life? Yes. That's good. That's— well, don't clap, cuz he said she— he said he ain't giving no money, so I don't know what y'all clapping for. I'm the one giving up. He giving the money right now. Rob giving the money.

Now his mother does all the financial support.

She's a supporter, okay.

She's real great. She even includes my other kids.

She's real great. She's great, okay then. Well, Telly, the bottom line is you have a little girl who is calling 3 different men, she is beautiful, calling 3 different men dad, and that's not fair. So I think it's time to unlock the DNA truth. We start with you. You were in the hospital, you signed the birth certificate. You say you the uncle, but you signed it and said daddy. So this is your truth to open, not mine. Here you go. Before I open it, you know, I just wanna let her know, you know, I love what she doing. She a great mother, all of that. But I knew then that it wasn't my child. I just got trapped in a bad situation and I signed it in. I know what this is gonna say. I don't even gotta read it. I can really let you read it, but I'll read it for you. You want me to read it? I'll read it. Okay, I'm about to say. Uncle. Oh, I ain't say uncle. Says you are not the biological father, which I already knew. That's what happened really, like I felt it already. You felt it already. You thought like, but also now child support. So now this will be the proof you need to get yourself off of child support. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Telly, since Rio isn't here, I'm gonna give you his DNA truth. So here you go. This is Rio's. Deep breath.

Take 2. Well, let's find out. Rio is not your daughter's biological father.

Okay. All right. So we now know that Ron and Rio are out, but Ramon, before you got out here, you did say, Telly, that the man that you were in a relationship with that broke your heart, that caused you that sort of led you into wanting to be in the streets for a little bit, that you did say that he could potentially be the father as well.

Yep, he was the first one I told.

He was the first one you told. Ramon, did you know that? Did you know that the man that she actually was in a relationship with at that time could be the father? Nah, I think I knew that.

You knew he was the father.

I think he knew, he was from Philly. He was from Philly, I remember that. I do remember that. Actually, no. Actually, no. I definitely know because I really I didn't even know her, you know what I mean? So I didn't know about these other two. Okay, got it. So knowing that first one that's from the gentleman she was in a relationship with that broke her heart, have you seen him before? Never. Never seen him? I've seen him. You've seen him, okay. Well, there is that bit of doubt because there is two men. So I know that you, Ramon, hope that this is your daughter, but there is that possibility that the man you actually were in a relationship with at that time could be the father. Raymond, this is your truth to open, not mine. So here you go. All right, before I open it though, like I did tell, you feel me, my daughter, like even whatever happened, I'm still gonna be there, you feel me? Yeah, yeah. Chelli, hold on, before you open that, what do you want? What are you hoping for in this moment?

Her to be his.

Her to be his. Because of the heartbreak, you don't want to go back there.

And she loved him so much.

She loved him. So yeah, there's a lot at stake in this moment right here. Okay. Ramon, well, that's your truth to open, so open it whenever you like.

I'm gonna help you read it. Hey.

Hey, I am the father.

He was so scared to take the test.

You were scared to take the test?

He was so scared to get swabbed. I was like, what's wrong? He was like, I'm scared. I said, I think she yours.

Yeah. Okay, so that's your little girl. You've already been taking care of her. She's already been a part of your life. How do you feel having confirmation? I ain't gonna lie, it's a burden lifted off my back. Off my chest, you know? Yeah. Are you happy? No, I'm not happy. I wanna cry, but I ain't crying on TV. You can cry on TV. It's all right, it's all right. It's a special moment, it's a special moment. It's a special moment because like you just said, that little girl, you told her already, no matter what, I was still gonna be your father, which means that you didn't wanna let her go. I'm glad that you don't have to let her go. I'm also glad that the pain that you felt from this other man, that you don't have to go back there and experience that. So you can leave that in the past.

I was praying I didn't have to contact him.

Yeah, yeah. And Ron, now you can give him your child support payment.

Bingo.

If he need me, call me. I give you my number. Listen, I can tell that you have a lot of love for your daughter and there's already support here and great communication. What I'm hoping for is that this relationship with your daughter will also support you in making better decisions. 'Cause I can hear that you're trying you've been in and outta trouble. And I think sometimes the understanding that there is somebody who's looking at you who needs you will hopefully make you say, before you make a choice, say, you know what, how's this will affect my little girl? Because she's gonna need you. And I will tell you this, I've had many guests who have been locked up or incarcerated consistently and their daughters have sat on my stage talking about how much pain they felt, how much hurt they felt. And of course you have your own pain, your own things, which is why you're making the choices you made that you gotta heal from. But know that if you really love that little girl, you gotta work a little bit harder to make sure that she doesn't go through that same cycle, that she doesn't go through that same pain. And I believe you will. I believe you will. I believe you will. Yes, sir. You know what I mean? And Telly, I'm not saying, 'cause it's still, trust me when I say this, this ain't coming from judgment, but if you gonna play in the streets.

Oh, I got fixed.

Oh, you got fixed? Okay, good. 'Cause I was gonna say, If you gonna play in the streets, safety first, girl, okay? So true or not that you have talked to other women? Yeah, I talked to other women. Is it true or not that you have tried to engage with her twin sister? Yes, it's true. I mean, I like her sister. I mean, I'm passionately infatuated with her sister.

Oh, you obsessed. It's not no fascinated. You obsessed with her.

You crazy. Like, I do have feelings for her sister. I do. Oh, very much. Me and her sister have a lot in common that me and her that don't have in common.

It ain't a lot, it's just dumb shit. That's not a lot.

Have you told her sister how you feel about her? Yes, I have. And what did she say? Well, her sister just gave me the cold shoulder or whatever, but at the same time, I kind of do know that her sister have feelings for me like I got feelings for her. So let me ask you this, okay. This also says—

Y'all are sick.

I know that the way that pornography has had access into people's lives, it has gotten people skewed, especially men, when it comes to what intimacy is in sex. And I'm almost sure that you have watched some type of pornography that has informed you that maybe two sisters would wanna have sex with one man. And I'm assuming that's why you would ask two sisters to have sex with you. Do you understand that's incest and you're asking them to be incestual for you? Yes, I'm the type. Because you asked them for a threesome. Yes, yes. I'm the type that like to party or whatever. I like threesomes, I like doing different things. But there's a difference between wanting to engage in a threesome with two strangers, but you're asking two women, one being your wife, to be in a sexual relationship with her sister. Why would you do that? Because, I mean, both of them look the same to me. They're twin sisters. I mean, I wanna see what twins I wanted to see what the twins was about. This is what I mean when I say pornography got people's heads screwed up. Y'all be watching that and think that that's reality. Yeah, I wanted to see what it was like. But let's be real, this is your, 'cause let's be clear, this is your wife you're asking.

Yes, wife. Wife.

But at the same time, I mean, I feel like that she be talking to other men too or whatever because she be on phones and stuff with other men. She be on little apps with other men or whatever.

I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't.

When I'm not around, she talk to all kind of men too or whatever. So, you feel like it's the same. So you feel like she's cheating? I feel like she cheated on me too, so. Okay then, so you feel like this is tit for tat? Yeah, I mean it's not.

That is narcissism.

With me, I mean it's not cheating with me. That's family love. I just like talking to other females. It's not like cheating with me.

So why did you get married to me then?

I just like talking.

Why did you marry me? If you knew that you was a hoe, why did you marry me?

It's not like, It's not like that I'm trying to, I'm not trying to go out and mess with other females. I just like talking and partying. That's all I like to do. Are you committed to this marriage? Yes, I'm committed. I'm committed. I love her to death.

No, you're not committed.

I do. I love her to death. You heard when you were backstage, she said that her self-esteem is being affected. How does that make you feel knowing that your wife's self-esteem is being affected? I mean, I feel bad about it, but at the same time, I know she doing something too. But she acting all Miss Innocent, but I know she's doing something too. Okay, okay. I'm not. Melvin, you told my unlock the phone investigator that you wanted her phone unlocked and you want to know if she's talking to other men, if she is messaging with other men on social media, and if she is texting any other men, period. Correct? Yes. All right then. Well, I think it's time to unlock both of y'all phones. Dee'Andrea, we unlocked your phone. Here we go. All right, Melvin, you wanna know if Dee'Andrea is talking to any other men. She says she is not. My Unlock the Phone investigator searched her calls and found she's telling the truth.

I told you. I told you. I told you. Read his.

Read his. We gotta keep going with yours. Melvin, you wanna know if Dee'Andrea is messaging with other men on social media. She says she's not. My Unlock the Phone investigator searched her apps and found she's not telling the truth. We found— Yes, yeah, yeah, told her. We found 62 messages between her and 2 other men where she's confiding to them about not having sex with you and your unhealthy relationship. Yeah. Thank you.

No, no, no clap, no clap. Because I was telling the truth. And I'm clocking your teeth 'cause you wasn't doing what you supposed to do as a man.

No, man, come on, come on with that. Come on with that. All right, Melvin, you wanna know if DeAndria is texting any other men. She says she's not. I unlocked the phone to investigate, to search her texts and found she is not telling the truth. We found 9 messages between her and another man where he was supporting her through your bad relationship.

Thank you.

And she did say at one point, like, I could see myself having feelings for you. Than falling in love with you.

Block that. Block that.

That's why I was saying, I mean, at the same time—

I wanna know who he is.

Hold on, I wanna say, I wanna be very clear, there was nothing we found in there where she was having sex with any other man, meeting up with any other man. It was more so about finding emotional support. But at the same time, I mean— No, come on, 'cause I told you. I know she was talking to other people. See, judge it. I told you. At the same time. I told you, don't let this wig come off.

Don't let my wig come off. And then again— Don't let my wig come off. Come on.

I'm sorry. Melvin, we unlocked your phone. So here we go. I mean, I— All right, Denondria, you wanna know if Melvin has been talking to your sister. Melvin says he is not. My Lock the Phone investigator searched his photos and found that Melvin is not telling the truth. I told you. We found 11 deleted screenshots of Melvin asking her for sex.

Sex. I know, I knew it, I knew it.

Yeah, um, ask her for sex, she's saying no. He's saying, why are you scared? Um, try to video chat her. Her response is usually like, go to sleep, LOL, LOL, go to sleep. He said, please, can you to give me some oral sex. We are done. Yeah.

We're done. I mean, it's not nothing like that.

I mean, it's really not nothing like that at the end of the day. He sent her this pornography and said, "Imagine me thinking of you while I go to sleep." That's nasty. All right. You wanna know, all right, Deanondria, you wanna know if Melvin has been talking to other women. He says he is not. My life of fraud investigator searched his texts and found that Melvin is not telling the truth. We found 112 messages between Melvin and multiple women.

Oh, we done. Shut that shit down.

It's not like we were really talking. I'm not talking. No, you were completely talking to other women. Oh, you completely talking. You weren't getting emotional support. You were talking to other women. All right, DeAndria, you wanna know if Melvin has been messaging any other women? He says he is not. You can guess what I'm about to say, right?

I know.

We searched his apps and found that Melvin is not telling the truth. We found 116 messages between Melvin and other women, including sexually explicit photos of himself that he sent to them. We're done.

When we get back home, I'm packing my shit, I'm done.

I mean, it's not like that we are That we had the most, that we had the most. But my producer told me you had something to say before the show that they want me to see. Let me take a listen. What did you have to say before the show? DeNardra, I have a confession to make. I've been sleeping with my ex for the last 2 months. Oh man, no. Come on. I mean, it's not nothing like that. I mean, we was like just— You deserve that. Take him off the stage.

Take him off the stage.

Now, it's very funny. I don't condone violence. I literally do not condone it. If that would happen anywhere else, but when I just heard that, I wanna jump up and— He is disgusting. He is less than a man. I mean, the fact that he's— I mean, one thing to cheat, but trying to engage Your sister didn't respond to it, by the way. In every message, you'll see the message, she just, she's saying, "LOL." So you do know that, okay. She's saying like, "LOL, no, go to sleep." She's like trying to like, whatever. But the fact that he continuously is texting her those type of things, and I'm glad that you said that you have the independence now. Yeah, I do. I really do. Because all this man is gonna do is keep breaking you down. And he's gonna keep gaslighting you. Love you and keep doing things, he's not worth it. He's not worth it. What you deserve is to rebuild your self-esteem, to get back to loving yourself, to reconnect with your sister. It sounds like there's possibility you can. It sound like she messed up once, but it doesn't look like she re-engaged. And so she should probably apologize. Y'all mend that, but then y'all can move forward. But it's time for you to start getting out of this toxic relationship. 'Cause Lord knows anybody who wants to be with your sister should not be your mister, okay? Right. I mean, yeah. So please, I'm gonna check up on you in a couple months. And when I check up on you, you better be out that house. You better not be talking to them. I am. And you better be saying, Karamo, give me some advice so I can rebuild this relationship with my sister. Right. Deal? All right. You deserve better, okay?

I watched my mom hustle her whole life. Yeah, you miss Make It Happen, but okay, I miss Make It Happen Jr.

So— You think I want that for you?

Mm-mm, what? You think I want that? What? You were just in, you were on your way to school. If it wasn't for my situation, you were in school. Okay, you went to jail. What did you expect me to do? I expected you to continue to do better because you knew that's what we discussed. I went through a lot. Girl, be respectful here. And I do be respectful, but that's the thing.

No, you don't.

How many times you done called me out my name and want to fight? Okay. Clock it. Let's clock it all. So let me speak. Let me speak. Let me speak. She's cool with that. She's cool with doing that. I'm not cool with it at all. She's okay with that. You up there in the yard, she called me bitchy. Okay, because you sit here and act like we're old friends. We're also best friends. You can't be my best friend and my mom. I can. You can't be my best friend and my mom. Let's talk about it. Let's talk about it. You can't be my best friend and my mom. That's your problem. There's no boundaries. I have been. There's never been any boundaries. That's the problem. You were too open. I've been exposed to a lot. You're right. I've seen it all. So yes, I think I could do it, but now I'm learning I can't. Okay. So you're right. You're right.

Arianne, I really do wanna know what happened with the man that showed up to the door. They're wanting the money back. What was that situation?

A man had me walking around the neighborhood. But since I was younger, I've had grown men eyes on me. I'm walking my sisters to school when I'm supposed to be in school. Let's talk about it. And you went to school right after them, right? And then I would have to go right back out and get one. And there was times when I was taking one of my sisters to school with me. Let's talk about it. And I was at work, a real 9 to 5 on top of doing hustling, right? You not gonna knock my hustle though while you I'm talking about yours, because where do I get it from? You get the hustle from me, but baby, not like this though. Okay, so don't knock my hustle. Not like this. Again, let me talk about it. Not when you look at the one that's hurt and feel like I just sat on it. Okay, so let me talk about it. So to set the record straight, I'm not having sex with men for money. This man came to me offering me help with rides. My mom's not here, I'm supposed to be taking care of my family now. I am the older sister, I am used to having to take care of my younger siblings. Your sisters, but in this time it's like my mom's nowhere to, you get what I'm saying? I'm already feeling abandoned, so I just took it on like by all means necessary, do what you gotta do now. I genuinely felt like I could control the situation. He's an older man and he knows I'm young.

Older than me.

He's older than you, but you've done the same thing. What do you mean? You just said you were 17 years old. Hold on, but mine was not, not, no, first off, I don't mess with them kind. Okay. That's fine. My kind, uh-uh, they make sure they doing what they supposed to. That's fine.

Uh-uh.

You don't even know the situation, so how do you? I don't care what the situation is. So you never cared though? Don't.

Your niece is in the audience right now. Avey, thank you for coming here. So what do you think's going on?

Ayesha is very wrong for how she raised them. Yes, very. But Ariana is also overexaggerating. Wow, TT. But, excuse me. Excuse me. No, this is the disrespect. No, y'all don't never let me speak. I don't never speak. This is the thing. She's spoiled. It ain't no— She's spoiled, bro. Like I said, she was there financially. Think about what you're talking about, spoiled. Can you be quiet? She was there financially. She was never there mentally and emotionally.

So let's talk about it.

That ain't somebody been there. It's not. She was there financially. And mentally and physically. You wasn't. Yes, I was. You wasn't.

Oh my God.

Because there was times where I would come to you, girl, you only there mentally when you're drunk. Let's talk about it. You wanna talk when you drunk. I do. And then we're, okay, you do, right? Absolutely. You hear her, right? Okay. Absolutely. So you wanna talk about it when you drunk.

Yep.

People say, you know, real shit come out when you're, excuse my language, real shit come out when you drunk, intoxicated, whatever. But with you, I'll tell you, I'm not there right now. I don't wanna talk cuz I know how you get when you're drunk. You will literally force me to have a conversation with you. Or vice versa. And I'm telling you, I don't wanna talk about it. You do the same thing. So you're constantly trauma jumping on me. What do you do? You do the same thing. Constantly trauma jumping on me. You do the same thing. So now you sit up here on this show and make it seem like I'm just a spoiled brat. Am I there physically and emotionally or not? But you come lay in my bed every night. Who you sleep with today? In my bed.

So you want to unlock to unlock Ariana's phone because you wanted to find out if she is working as a sex worker, correct? Yes. That's the main thing. So I think it's time to get to unlocking this phone.

I broke my phone before I came here.

Well, she's telling the truth. She did not unlock her phone. She told the producers that she left it at home and that it was broken. Is that true?

Yeah, I mean, I thought she got it fixed.

By now. It's interesting because most 22-year-olds will get their phone fixed quickly.

Yes.

You know, like—

But what happened to them then, huh? My phone would've been fixed by now. But you don't want me doing, see, this the thing. She's also worried about me. She's also worried about, oh, you can die, you can go to jail. But you're literally telling me, oh, my man will do it. So what do you think I'm gonna try to go do? 'Cause they do it for you, Karamo. Go get a grown man to go do it. When you call them, don't they do it? So you're okay with it? I said my friends. Like I said, so you're okay with it? You're happy that's going on between yourself? When you call my friends, don't they do it? They do it right. Okay, so where do you think it gotta be from? I don't care if it's your friend or not. You don't need your friends, 'cause your friends ain't doing it right. Your friends not doing it right. My friends doing it right. Okay, but where would you think?

So what is going on? I feel like there's something blocking here and missing here.

It's her. She definitely needs to think about what she be saying. Because if you're telling me, if she's telling me, absolutely, but if she's telling me she needs this, right? But you're not gonna do that. But she's not doing that. She ain't been trying. I'm hearing how I feel and what I have been through. I done been into mental institutions to a point to where I was overly medicated. I couldn't talk. I was zombified. I couldn't even go into a grocery store and hand them a credit card. They're asking me, what's wrong with your hands? Why you trembling? How many times have you put me through that? You're also not thinking about You're saying I'mma crash out now, but let's talk about it. You said you put me in there after Grandma passed. Who found Grandma? Who had to call them after we both went in there and had to confirm that she was dead? After seeing some shit like that, what you gonna do? You're gonna lose your mind. So of course, I'm already, I already have insomnia. Yes, I was walking around sleepless nights not sleeping. Yes, I'm thinking, okay, I got this shit. I'm strong, bro. I'm built for this shit. I got it. But at the time I did lose my mind, yes. So yes, I lost myself, but I'm trying to get myself back.

So I have to, okay, I gotta be very clear. I gotta be very clear because I spotted this from the beginning. I think that you're not taking into consideration something very critical here. And I think this for you as well. I think y'all are not taking into consideration the fact that even though y'all talk candidly, talk openly, everyone's an open book, even though that you provided financially for your child, I think we're forgetting that this is a child. Trying to process my mother telling me openly that she was a sex worker, my mother telling me that she pimped out guys, my mother telling me any of the things that you said that you did, children aren't emotionally equipped to handle that. But all of that is sitting inside of her not being processed. And she's walking through life trying to say, I really don't know.

That's how I processed it. Karamo, I'm the only girl from my mama's job. And you're not me. And you better than me, baby. I don't care how much I look like you. That's different. You gonna be better than me. I don't care what people say. I'm not you and you're not me.

You don't want her to be better than you.

People, she keep comparing me to her, but she want a different life for me, but she compares me to her.

Did you hear what she said?

Watch that.

Now take that, now compound it with the fact that she's had to be the oldest. She's had to be the one step up, do everything. Do you understand what your daughter has been experiencing? That sometimes being transparent doesn't mean that you're being a parent?

Yes. I apologize for that. I love you. I love you so much, baby. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. I want you to hear this. I want you to hear this seriously. I got this. This is the goal for this relationship. Your daughter doesn't need any more transparency. She needs a parent that's gonna have clear boundaries in everything. Okay. This relationship can be salvaged. You love your daughter.

Dearly.

I know you're on this stage because you love her. I don't question that one bit. And I do believe you know in your heart that your mother loves you. So can you promise your child right now, why don't you turn to your child and say, I commit to helping you to process your emotions.

I commit to working on helping you process your emotions.

Okay. I commit to making clear boundaries between us.

I'm definitely gonna make clear boundaries with us.

Okay. Now I need you to commit because even though you're 22 and you're the child in the situation, you also have to step up. I commit to tell you what I'm needing without being angry.

I commit to telling you what I'm in need of without being angry.

I commit to not being disrespectful in moments when I'm feeling hurt or lost.

I commit to not being disrespectful when I'm feeling hurt or lost.

Okay. Now I made her make that commitment to you because this is not a one-sided relationship. This is two-sided, but I do believe there to be work here. All right, I wish you both the best of luck. I sincerely do. All right, all right everyone, stay with us. We'll be right back with more. Let me give y'all both a hand.