The Most Heartwarming DNA Reveals | KARAMO

I honestly don't really know how to feel right now. I'm nervous, I'm sad, I'm feeling all these emotions.

I don't really know. I don't really know.

This is your father. My guest Hadassa says that she needs my help discovering the truth with her 41-year-old DNA mystery. Hadassah says her mother was 16 years old when she was born and her alleged father, Sean, was only 14. Sean's family has never accepted her and this is the first time that her mother and alleged father will be in the same room to have this conversation. And Hadassah is ready to get some answers. How are you doing?

I don't know. Oh.

Let me give you a hug. You said you don't know how you're doing. What's going on? Talk to me.

Of course I want the answers. I just, I don't think I expect it. I'm overwhelmed.

Of course.

I'm dysregulated, I guess that's the word. I'm, yeah.

It makes sense. It makes sense because this is 41 years of so much pain that you probably experienced. So you heard what your mom had to say. How are you feeling about what she was saying?

I don't think all of the blame lies solely on Sean. They were kids. It was messy. It was nasty.

Yeah.

But I'm 41, and I've been asking for this. I've been asking these questions from her for years, and we can't ever kind of get to a resolve with it because it turns into like this huge emotional combative thing. So I usually end up having to like put what I'm feeling away to kind of address, 'cause she was 16. So I put myself in the mind of a 16-year-old girl finds out another girl is pregnant, then your baby's like, so I'm there all the time. But all this time while I'm understanding for everyone else, I've just been like in limbo.

Yeah. I'm sorry.

No, it's okay. You're doing a great job. Oh. So what does this DNA outcome today mean to you?

Clarity, peace, and I'm hoping some major healing.

Yeah. Well, listen everyone, I think it's time we meet Sean and hear what he has to say about all of this. Everyone, please welcome Sean to the show. Welcome to the show, sir.

I didn't know no better. I knew all the time she was mine.

So then why did you tell your family that Hadassah wasn't yours?

Being scared. You know, I go tell 'em, man, I got in physical fights, not, you know, arguments, you know, over her saying that she's mine. But they had it in they mind. But then this also played a part. I met her mother through a friend. After me, her mother started messing around with one of my brothers, to my knowledge. But he is not your father, you know? There's no way possible. You was born way before he came in the picture. It's just after the fact that she kept coming over to the house, he going over to see her. That's why my family have real bitterness about this.

Adassa has said that you only showed up at 12. Where were you at the beginning of her life?

In and outta jail.

Okay.

Running the streets.

So, but you still pay child support, why?

Why do I pay child support? Because I ain't wanna go to jail.

So you showing up was more about a necessity not to go back to jail?

I'm just trying to do right. Well, I used to sneak around over there. She used to wake up some morning, she'd see me there and she'd be happier than I don't know what, you know, to take her to school. Thing with me and her mother, I had love for her. I mean, she did right, but she lied to me also. A lot of things she said about she was doing, it was her grandmother that did it.

Well, why didn't you get a DNA test sooner?

Because I, on my heart, I didn't need it. There's another thing too is—

I know you didn't need it, but she needed it. She's been hearing all these mixed messages her entire life.

Well, recently she just started coming up like this and I was hoping that we can get around this here. But you know, there's something bothering her and I swear she deserves the best. She deserves the best. She don't need this on her mind. Nobody need this on their mind.

So in order to get to the bottom of this 41-year-old DNA mystery, I think it's time that we meet Hadassah's mother, Rutha. Everyone, welcome Rutha to the show. So you look upset, Rutha.

I am, 'cause you be telling a lot of lies, brother.

What are the lies he's telling?

You still in denial I slept with your brothers? Never. Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.

I did not say you slept with my brothers.

I don't wanna hear nothing you got to say, Karamo. Today you gonna learn today. Today you gonna learn today. You have put me through so much mess and my daughter, I'm tired of you.

Put you through too much?

It's done, it's done.

What have I put you through?

I was 16 years old too, and what you put me through, you lied and said she wasn't yours, and then all of a sudden she yours, and she not yours, and then what do you want me to do? I hurt my daughter because of me not being able to know how to deal with it.

Nothing, you just shut down.

Not knowing how to, I hurt her because I didn't know how to deal with it, 'cause I was a child, and I had to do what I had to do as a mother. I ask other people for help.

I get it, I get it. There's a lot of pain there.

I ain't no whore and I've never been a whore and I ain't never sleep with your brother.

First of all, I never said you did.

You gonna listen today. You gonna listen to me today. I'm tired of you. I'm tired of you. I'm dead tired of you. I never liked you, you. I don't like you and I never liked your mother either. Your mother, your mom, I never liked your mom. That's right, that's right, that's right. I don't like you. To the day right now, and I got everything from my mother that I ever needed.

Hold on, hold on, hold on. I know the pain y'all are going through. The minute y'all started arguing, your daughter, you see what's happening.

You come out here with this piece of trash. It's about her right now.

It's about her now.

Shut up, sir.

She's still crying backstage. Do you understand what y'all are doing to your little girl?

Yes, sir, I do. And I'm here today 'cause I want it stopped. My heart is still bleeding from that 16-year-old girl like she said. I don't know how to, I ain't know how to deal with it. And still today, I don't know how to deal with it. I need help.

I hear you.

'Cause I don't wanna hurt her.

I hear you.

Or my kids or my grandkids.

I understand, I understand, I understand, I understand. Let me go talk to your daughter, okay? Come back. My love, what's going on? Please. I'm sorry, what is going on? How you feeling? Take a deep breath.

Take a deep breath.

On the count of 3, take a deep breath in. 1, 2, 3. Take a deep breath out. Count of 3, deep breath in. 1, 2, 3, in. Deep breath out. Would you like some water?

I want to go home.

I'm over it.

It's OK. I can't do this anymore. It's like, whatever. I'm done.

So one of the things you said to me is because of this pain, you shut down. I ask you, can you give me an opportunity to support you in this moment? What is on your mind?

This is what they've done all my life. This is what it's been.

This is what she does.

I don't want it.

I just don't. I just want peace and this isn't it. And I'm sorry I even brought it up. I just—

It's okay.

I know you don't have to apologize. I gotta go back there. I gotta go back there. You deserve peace.

You deserve happiness.

I gotta go back there.

You deserve all those things.

I gotta go back there.

You deserve not to feel like you have to scream.

No, I can just be a parent who doesn't scream. I'm okay.

I can't, I'm sorry. Tasha, I'm so sorry.

No, no, no, no.

Don't do that. You can't do that. No, you can't do that.

You can't do that.

Give her a minute.

Say one thing to her.

No, no. Give her a minute. Give her a minute. Give her a minute. It's time just to get these answers so that we can get to the next step of healing. You ready? You got it?

Hold on a minute. Can you read it to me, Tasha? Tasha?

Wait, just give me a second, please, please, please.

Just give me a minute.

She just needs a second. She just needs a moment.

You don't need to open it.

She needs to.

You always will be my daughter.

What does it say?

It says, Hadassah, Sean is your father.

You've been vindicated. Anybody who would ever talk to a 14-year-old or a 16-year-old child and make her feel like she was worthless and make her feel like she was a slut, this is part of your vindication too. And allow that vindication to start to heal some of that pain. Do you feel that?

Yeah, I do. Thank you.

And this is a moment for you of clarity. You now know.

I know.

You know. How does it make you feel to know?

Relieved. Excited.

Yeah. These are your parents.

Whoa.

Now you're both your parents.

Finally.

I think this clarity, this vindication is going to help the healing that has already started before. You all were able to see each other for the children you were and understand adults played a big role in this. Stop blaming each other. You also got to hear that your daughter needs boundaries sometimes. And so when she says something, and I think this is a big one for you, sir, because I've noticed every time she says, "Give me a moment," you still like, "Hold on." And I see you're doing it outta love because even as she was opening that envelope, you were trying to comfort her and let her know it doesn't matter, I'm here for you. But even when you're trying to love her, you gotta still respect that boundary. If you can do that, it's going to help the relationship get stronger with all of y'all. Now, the biggest piece of this is something that somebody who's not on this stage right now, and that's your family. They have rejected all of you, you, you, and you. And I say they rejected you because by the fact that they denied you a relationship and put doubts in minds, that's part of the thing that separated you and caused you pain and caused you hurt. Yes, you were a 14-year-old boy that said something, but that should have never gave permission to adults to take that and run with that for almost 41 years. That's out of order.

That's right. Thanks.

You're right. I know you've tried, but now you all need to be united and let that family know together we are not going to stand for rejection anymore. Can y'all be united and do that?

Absolutely.

What would that do for each of you to be able to tell them no more rejecting us?

The reject, whatever. It was the disrespect for me.

Y'all have to unite because part of that is what I was saying with the next step of your healing is that you have to be able to tell these people just like you, just like you, and this is important for you too. You don't realize it, but what they did in rejecting them also hurt you. There's wounds and pains there. They put doubt. They caused you to have to go to a place where you're now torn between two people, your daughter, your family, this woman. It caused pain.

The word family is overrated. This right here and my sisters, this and my grandchildren, this is what I live for now.

Yeah? That's your family too.

Yes, it is.

And y'all gotta now start communicating and loving each other as family. I need you as well. To say, what's that make you feel when he's doing that?

I don't know how to feel.

You know why?

Because he spent 41 years of being told that you were wrong and all these things. That's still that little girl. But again, remember, I forgive you 'cause you were a child too. And what's going on right now is he would've did this as a child if he would've had proper guidance. But he's doing it now. Yeah. I asked for y'all to be united front and he stepped up and grabbed both of your hands. Let it go.

I'll do it again if I have to. I'm in that place where I can forgive and forget and I know we family, always have been. And I just need, you know, some more counseling to continue to heal 'cause it's just—

Yeah, this is a step.

A step.

A first step.

I'm just giving y'all the language to recognize what's been going on. I'm giving you some tools to understand how to move forward, but you take a big step here. Your daughter has clarity. You all understand now to respect her boundaries and y'all are united finally. Do you think you can start to heal from here?

Oh yes.

You do?

For sure.

Is there anything else you need?

Sleep.

I'm exhausted.

I hear you, girl. I hear you. Do you feel like you got what you needed from me?

I do, thank you.

Good, you're welcome. Do you feel like you were seen and got what you needed today?

Yes.

Do you feel like you got what you needed?

Yes.

Then we can move on. Welcome to the show, friends. Listen, 2 years ago, Neshay connected with a man named Michael on Ancestry. She originally thought he was her cousin, but get this, he told her that the Ancestry test led him to believe that he could be her father.

Father.

Until now, Neshay has never questioned who her father was. She was raised by a man who she has always thought was her biological father. But 2 weeks ago, he revealed that he had doubts. Take a look at this.

Karamo, I need your help to help me solve this 29-year-old DNA mystery. 2 years ago, I connected with a man that I thought was my cousin on AncestryDNA.com. I didn't think he was serious when he told me he can be my father. I already have a dad. He raised me since I was a little girl. Can you imagine how confused I was when he told me it was a possibility that he was not my father? I used to be daddy's little girl, and now I don't know who my father is. I blame my mother. This is her fault. My mother has never been there for me and she needs to be held accountable for ruining my life.

Everyone, please welcome Nishay to the show.

Hi.

Yes, outfit. You look great.

Thank you.

Yes, you do. Can I have a hug? Yes. Come on, pretty in pink. Yes. Okay, Neshay, just tell me, how did you end up on Ancestry in the first place?

Well, basically I was just going on there honestly to look up my heritage and to actually help my mom as well. She doesn't know who her father is, so we wanted to look up some things and figure something out.

Wow, okay. And so you connect with this person, you realize you have connections.

Right, so as I was on the Ancestry, I seen that I was related to about 5,000-something people. And basically, there was a match. It was a guy on my dad's side, supposedly 4th cousin. And we had about 49% shared DNA. So 50% is kind of a lot. So I hit him up like, hey, cousin, what's going on? And he didn't respond back. This was in 2021 and he barely responded back this year.

So—

And when he responded back, that's when he said, "I think I could be your father." He basically responded, "Do you think we could talk?

Do you think you can give me a call or we can like meet up possibly? There's some questions I wanna ask you." Of course. So I was like confused. I'm like, what do you mean questions? So I found him on Facebook and we connected there. I gave him a call and he basically asked me like, what was my mom's name? I told him my mother's name. He asked me for a picture. I sent him a picture and he was like, yeah, we have to talk in person.

What did that do to you in that moment? 'Cause you're thinking this man is your cousin. Yeah. And you're like, hey cuz. And then also like, what, dad?

Yeah, it shocked me honestly 'cause I had no idea. You know, I instantly started thinking about my mom. I'm like, so did you even know? Like, you know, I had so many questions that I just didn't have the answers to.

Were you a daddy's girl growing up?

Yes, I was. Yes, I am. My full name is Antwan Niche, but I go by Niche. I'm named after my father. You know, he was everything to me. He cooked for me, cleaned for me. We played together. We went to amusement parks together. He was my best friend, you know? And you know, now that I have this information, it's kind of, you know, it makes me a little bit emotional. It makes me sad 'cause the family that I grew up knowing as my family possibly could not be my family.

Neshay, are you ready to talk to your mom now?

Yes.

Okay. Well, welcome everyone, Sharee, to the show. Sharee, thank you so much for being here.

Hi.

How are you feeling right now?

I'm feeling nervous and a little ashamed.

Okay, why are you feeling ashamed?

Because a lot of the things that my daughter said is true. Mm-hmm. I was a young mother. I was a young mother. I had a lot of kids to deal with at that time.

And I did put a lot of things on her, responsibilities that should have been mine.

Has your mother ever acknowledged this before?

No.

Never? Mm-mm. Your daughter's here crying because she says she's never heard that from you before.

You know I love you, baby. You know I love you, Neshay. You my firstborn. You my first child. You was like, my little mini me. I was not given a book on how to raise any kids.

Yeah, you wasn't given a book.

I did what the best that I could with what I had for you guys, but you could have gained more knowledge to do better. I am so sorry for everything that I put you through. What do you want me to do?

I don't— sometimes I don't feel like your apology is genuine. I don't feel like you really mean that.

But you're 25 years old, Nishae.

29, Mom. 29. I'm 29.

Well, part of this is, Cherie, you can't say to someone that just because they're older that they should get over it. Your daughter's pain from her childhood, which you acknowledge yourself was unfair that she went through this. You know that she went through stuff. She's still hurting.

Yes.

She said that there was a time in your life that you were at her award shows, that you were there with her. Yes, I was. You did things and then you stopped. Why did you stop?

Because I had a busy life with raising kids and having to be there for all the kids that I had.

But she's one of your kids, so why did you stop? 'Cause your excuse is, and I understand that you were young and you went through, you were trying to figure it out. But you said you were there for the other kids, but she's one of your kids.

Exactly.

Why did you stop with her?

Probably because I had men in my life too that—

Yes, and that was one of my big problems.

Men played a big part in my life.

Yes, and you showed them more attention than you showed me, that's for sure. You know, I needed you in my life. I needed you like to be there for me, to build me up, not break me down.

Are you ready to meet Michael for the first time?

Yeah, I'm ready. I'm nervous, I'm anxious, I'm feeling all type of emotion right now.

I get it. Well, this is the moment because this man could potentially be your father. So everyone, please welcome Michael to the show. Michael, you sharp. Thank you.

How you doing? Nice to meet you, Karamo.

He's sharp. You are sharp.

Give me a hug. I heard all of that.

Beautiful.

Thank you.

I heard you just say that you heard all that. What was going through your head when you heard that?

A lot of hurt for her. Just wishing I had known so I could have maybe been there to do something and make it, make her life a little different.

Got it.

Yeah.

And I heard you've been waiting for this moment for a long time.

Yeah, for a while. Ironically, I started out looking for my father. I don't know my father. Then kind of transitioned into finding a sister on my father's side. After finding that sister on my father's side, ironically, it led me to finding her.

Oh, wow.

Yeah, it led me to finding her.

Wow, that's amazing that you were looking for someone else and then this connection happened. Yeah.

Yeah.

Wow.

Sherri, what do you think? We were doing the same thing. Like, I'm trying to figure out who my mom's dad is.

Yeah. Interesting. What's going on over there, Cherie? What are you feeling?

It's like I see her face and his face together. It's like, they look like twins.

I can't lie, we don't know the results yet, but y'all look a lot alike.

I know, but I'm just saying. Right.

Yeah. Let me see.

I know, right? Same.

It's the smile and the eyes. Yeah. What's going through your head? I just wanna know. Yeah. We gonna get there in a little bit. So you first connected with Ashae, did you even think that she could be your daughter? What was the first thought? 'Cause she thought you were her cousin.

Yeah.

So that was the first thought. So I got like an influx of emails saying, "Hey, it's your third cousin. Now you have a second cousin and a fourth cousin." So when I got that influx, I decided to go on and in doing that, I went through a lot of the various emails that I had and I saw Neshay's email that said, "Hey cousin." And I think it said, "How are you?" Or, "How are we related?" Something like that. And then I saw one about 6 months later that said, "Hello." And I didn't respond to either one of 'em. I think because it said cousin, there wasn't that great interest to really move on it. You know, 'cause you got the third cousins, fourth cousins. And so because she said cousin, it kind of threw me a little bit. Ultimately, again, when I found the sister on my dad's side, and this is a crazy story 'cause I then started kind of looking through it, gave the phone to my wife, and I don't know how I missed this, but she said, "You either have a mother or a daughter, and I know she ain't your mother." Right?

Yeah, yeah.

And I was like, "Yeah, nah." So she handed me the phone, I said, "Oh, wow," you know, used a different word, but. Then I saw the percentile and I also have a son that's on there as well. And they shared the same amount of—

Same percentile.

Same percentile. Actually, hers was higher. Hers is actually a percent higher. So, 'cause men carry something I think is less gene that makes it a little lower. So in that sense, I decided to reach out to her. I said, hey, give me a phone call. I left my number on, right, on Ancestry and asked her to give me a call. And I think she was reluctant. Maybe, you know, I don't know who the heck this dude is.

Like, oh, okay.

And so I continued to pursue, trying to reach out to her. And then she eventually gave me a phone call.

Do you remember having a relationship with her mother?

Ah.

Yeah?

You know what? I do remember her face.

You know, you know, Michael.

It's weird because after she showed me, I asked her to send me a picture and after she showed me the picture, I was like, oh, I remember her vaguely. I hate to use the word, I called it transactions. At times back then when there was no relationship involved. So it was a transaction that I had at a young age, 22, I believe, or so. I do remember that. But that's really it. I don't remember anything outside of that. Well, you know, I know she was, she liked lavish, the lavish lifestyle. I knew she was high energy for sure.

[Speaker:KARAMO] Okay, okay. Do you believe you're Nishea's father?

I do.

You do?

You know, I'm not a scientist, but I don't believe DNA lies. That's kind of how I look at it, right? I couldn't look at it any other way, especially when I have a child on there already and they share the same amount.

'Cause you have one child?

I have three.

Three children.

Yeah.

Okay.

I have three, but, ah, it's four. I have four, excuse me.

I have four.

Well, you're saying this, what would it mean to you to have her DNA?

It would be amazing. I actually have two boys and a girl. I have a daughter that, it's always hard for me because she's 25, but she's like a 1-year-old. She wears diapers, she can't talk, and I've been taking care of her since obviously conception. Her mom and I aren't together, but we share 50% custody, and I have her very often. She's actually with my wife right now while I'm here. And I always had this conversation with my wife about, Man, I wish I could just have a conversation with my daughter just to be able to talk to her.

Right.

Right.

And to be able to express things and be able to communicate and build a relationship. I love her immensely, but obviously I can't do that.

Right.

She shows me in other ways that she loves me. Yeah. But she can't do it through a natural conversation. And so when I found out she could be my daughter, that was the first thing I thought about, which is strange. I can now build a relationship.

Yeah.

That's where I got it from.

And I was like, she's always been there. I didn't know about it.

Yeah.

Right.

Yeah. To have that kind of relationship as well, to have a, a relationship that could blossom and grow through communication and love and nourishment.

So Neshay and Michael, are you ready for the DNA outcome to find out if you're father and daughter?

Yeah, I'm ready.

Yeah, let's do it.

All right, let's get this over with. Well, Neshay, I'm going to hand you the DNA outcome. On here, this will let you know if this is your father and will give you Either clarity if like there's new family out there, a new relationship you could be establishing. Are you ready for this?

Mm-hmm.

Yeah?

We'll be all right no matter what.

Oh my God.

I honestly don't really know how to feel right now. I'm nervous, I'm sad, I'm feeling all these emotions.

I don't really know. I don't really know. What happened?

This is your father?

Yeah. Oh my God.

Oh my God.

Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. That's their daddy. That's their daddy.

Karamo, thank you so much.

You're welcome.

You're so welcome.

You and your staff are amazing. Thank you.

Thank you.

Amazing.

Thank you.

So, oh my God.

Cherie, I'm going to start with you first of all because I I know Michael's happy about this. What is in your mind, Sheree, right now?

I'm excited as hell. Oh my God. I cannot believe it.

You're in shock.

Oh my God.

I'm elated.

Elated?

Yeah, oh yeah, most definitely. Thank you.

You all did well. So please tell me from your opinion, what happened after the show?

Well, after the show, so I ended up taking another DNA test with the guy that we mentioned. Last time, he wasn't my dad. I did Ancestry and I kind of found some answers, but not like the direct answer to where I was going. And I kind of broke it down, but before I sent it in, okay, I told my mom, I called her, I was like, 'cause we were talking at that time. Before we stopped talking and then started talking again. So I called her and I was like, hey, I just put my DNA test in the mail. I was like, it's about to get sent off. And she tells me, oh, so-and-so could be a chance. I was like, okay, so where has this so-and-so been the entire time? 'Cause I've asked you repeatedly over and over and over who could be a possibility and you've told me over and over and over, I don't know. And I think you're lying, you do know.

And then all of a sudden she comes out with this name.

Yes, and then she comes out with this name and I was like, I'm like, okay, so I wait 6 weeks, you know, and the stuff comes back and I'm breaking it down and I tell her like, hey, actually I think he is my dad. And she's like, I'm busy, I gotta go, and hangs up.

So in your opinion, it's because of your mother why this is taking so long?

Yeah, I mean, I didn't sleep with all those guys.

Yeah, no, I understand, no, I'm with you, I'm with you. I just wanna make sure because the thing is You tell me that the relationship with your mother is still back and forth. It sounds like the relationship is still toxic. How's your relationship with her as of today?

It's, we're working on it, I guess. I mean, I have a lot of mixed emotions right now, 'cause part of me is like, she's my mom and I wanna work on it, but then again, she has did me worse than anybody else has ever done me. One of the comments why she wouldn't help me figure it out at first is 'cause she said, You're an adult, I ain't gotta worry about you no more. I was like, it doesn't matter if I'm an adult or not, I'm still your kid.

Yeah.

You know? And—

What does your mother say when you ask her about your father?

She don't know.

That's all she says?

That's all she says.

She doesn't give you any other type of answers, anything at all?

No, she's like, I don't know, I was messed up and I was doing stuff I wasn't supposed to. That's not an excuse. 'Cause you gave me 6 different other guys' names, but you don't know who my dad is?

Mm-hmm. Has this search been putting a strain on your relationship? Is that what's causing the strain?

A lot of it is 'cause she don't care. Like, if she showed more sympathy and acted like she actually cared about me, I wouldn't feel the way I do, but she don't care. She's made it clear, like, we've been offered on the show multiple times. The first time it was supposed to be me and her, and she said, "I do not care." I don't wanna do it, so. There's no way that Andrew's mom and my mom were not talking about it.

'Cause y'all raised as cousins, so they got it, they're communicating.

Yeah, of course, so I even asked her, I was like, did you not sit back and think about it? She's like, oh well, I was hooked on so-and-so and I really wanted him to be the dad. It doesn't matter who you really want to be the dad, it's what you know. And you knew.

Why do you think your mother's never helped you?

She says it's because the dude that I think is my dad is a piece of shit. And I was like, it doesn't matter what he is. I was like, I have that right to know because I'm going through a lot of issues with my kidneys. I was like, I deserve to know my family's medical history. I was like, I deserve to know all that. I was like, there's no reason for you to hide it from me just 'cause you don't want me to know.

Yeah, this makes sense why finding your father is so important outside of just wanting to know wanting to know who your father is. There's bigger things at stake when it comes to your health.

Yes.

Did your mother raise you?

No, everybody else in my family did.

Your mother didn't raise you?

No. Yeah, okay. She'll claim she did. Oh, well, her comment is, she says, I gave everybody else the right to raise you, so really I raised you. I was like, that's not how that works. But okay, I'll let you take credit.

Yeah. Do you hope that finding out the truth will also bring you and your mother closer? Or do you not care about the relationship?

I want a relationship with her, but like it's been 23 years and she's done said hateful stuff. She's done, her actions were very hateful. Her calling me names, saying like, you know, you're 23, I don't care. When I see you on the street, I'm gonna beat you like a trick. You know, stuff like that. You don't say that to your daughter. I ain't gonna say that to my daughter. Yeah, I just don't care anymore.

Yeah, yeah. If your mother tried to come back into your life and say, let me try to be better, let me try to do better for you, would you be open to it?

Yeah, if she's willing to change, but I've heard that so many freaking times, I can't even tell you. Like, are you really gonna change or is it just gonna be for a month or two and then you're like, I don't want nothing to do with you.

Got it, got it. What has she done in the past?

When I was 5, I remember I had a birthday party and I was living with my grandma and she came, I remember it like yesterday, she came for like maybe 5 minutes and gave me a balloon and left. I cried forever about that 'cause you know, what 5-year-old don't want her mom at the birthday? And then like, you know, with her being in prison, I went through a lot. I had to go through therapy and stuff 'cause I was just so drained because I wanted my mom. I was a teenager. I felt like she should've been there. And she wasn't.

Yeah, yeah.

Because she could've made better choices and she didn't and then she still says like, "I did it for y'all." No, you didn't do it for us.

You didn't have to do all that.

Like, you could've got a job. You could've took care of us the right way instead of putting us through all that. There's no reason for it. And she says, "Well, my mom was like that. I don't know anything else.

I'm not like that." Yeah. "I would never be like that." Yeah.

"Never in a million years to my babies will I ever do anything she's done to me." Mm-hmm.

So you're emotional right now. What's happening?

It's just a lot because like, I hear her side, but it's like I never get to tell mine. Okay. Okay. Just because she's got the opportunity to have other people raise her, and had the chances to see other ways of living is not what I was raised on. She's so quick to judge me and not realize how bad that affects me, and that's why we quit communicating because she wants to push me away. And I'm here, I'm here.

You came today.

I came. She's my firstborn, she's my daughter, and yeah, I wasn't there a lot of the time. I was a criminal, I sold drugs, I went to prison, I served my time, I did my crime, I served my time. But I learned from that. And what I have for my children today, I still have kids at home. It's not just Hope. I do have other kids. And I have had a lot going on. She wants me to just stop everything and make it about Hope. And I love her. I love her to death. But I can't stop my whole life just for this matter.

It's just, it still don't make no sense. Okay, so you said you had other kids to take care of. You have my sister's, and then your friend's kids. They ain't your kids. We are your kids. You should have put me first.

Hope, they were my stepchildren. It don't matter. I'm your biological daughter. They have their mom. What about me? You pushed me away.

I pushed you away 'cause you caused it.

There's another person here that I wanna talk to and get his side of this. It's time to talk to Hope's potential brother. Let's welcome Andrew to the show. Hope told me earlier that your friend Your father wanted nothing to do with this DNA and coming here. Do you have a relationship with him at all? No. None? I haven't had a relationship with him since I was a kid. How did you help Hope when you heard that you could be related? I started texting him about the names that were popping up, but I guess he pieced it two-two together from her texting him about asking if seeing if he would do a DNA test and then me asking about these names. And then at first he was saying a couple of 'em and then he just said, "I ain't saying no more." Got it. And just— He just shut down.

Yep.

Yeah. If Hope is your sister, will it change your relationship? No, not really.

No, we're really close.

You're really close.

I really appreciate him, I do.

Well listen, it's time that we solve this 23-year-old DNA mystery. In this envelope is the DNA outcome. We've been here before. I've told you the last time you were here, you have been on my heart and mind. You deserve your answers. And as I told you last time, I will be here to help you no matter what is in this envelope. Are you ready for your DNA outcome?

I guess, not really. 'Cause last time I came on here, it wasn't good.

Well, we're still praying and we're wishing. That this could potentially be your brother right here, and then you'll have answers.

Yep.

Here you go.

Okay. I don't really, I really don't wanna open it.

Okay.

Okay. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. Thank you, Lord. Thank you, Rob. Yes. I'm so happy for you. Oh my God, he's your brother. You figured it out. You did that.

What does it say? It says Andrew is your brother.

Oh my gosh. Come here, baby. You got it. You did it. You did it. You did it.

You did it.

I did it.

I did it.

You figured it out. You did. You're so smart.

You did it.

I love you. Oh my God.

Here you go, love. You did it.

I know.

You got a brother.

You now know who your father is. And again, like I said before, what a blessing that you were raised with your brother. You were raised, you know each other. He said, "It's your best friend." What's going on in your mind right now?

If it wasn't for Bubba, I wouldn't be here and we wouldn't have figured it out. If he didn't agree to coming on here and doing this with me, I would've never figured it out.

And I'm just so— I appreciate him so much.

Yeah.

Andrew, do you have other siblings? Yes. OK. I was hoping she would— if I found out I had another sibling, that it would be a boy.

That it would be a boy because now I have 8 sisters.

So you're the only boy?

She don't have any brothers.

That's your brother? Andrea, I gotta tell you, I feel what you're going through. I only have sisters, all older sisters. It's 4 of us, then me. So, but let me tell you something, that's a blessing in life to be surrounded by women. You've been very blessed, all right? And now you have your brother.

I know, if it wasn't for you helping me though.

I'm just happy. I'm just happy. I don't wanna take any credit for this because this has been you. This has been you not giving up on yourself. This has been you trying. This has been you you making sure that you did the work for yourself to heal, to heal your family. You are, you're greater than you even know. Like there's a light in you and a greatness in you that I don't even think you even have tapped into yet. Because for you to have the courage to do this after all of that rejection and still never give up on yourself, still never give up on your answers, still never give up on your family, you deserve this moment.

She does.

I know, you would have, you would've got here. I'm so thankful for you. You got your sister. You got your sister. Okay.

It's so crazy.

What are you thinking right now?

Like, it's crazy because like I helped raise him. I put him in timeout in the corner. I mean, and like they was raised like the only boy in the family was Bubby.

Yeah.

Like he's Bubby. And like just for that to be like that, it's amazing. And I'm so glad she got some answers. She figured it out on her own.

She did.

She really did. Because I couldn't help her. I wanted to, but I couldn't.

Yeah.

I can't believe it. Oh my goodness.

I'm so excited. She's the private investigator. I've been looking for so long.

And it was like, on my birthday.

On her birthday, yeah.

And everything.

It was like, I got you, Hope. Just sit back and enjoy the ride.

Yeah, yeah. You made it here. You made it here. And you now have your answers. You know who your father is. Will you try to reach out to 4 you go into a relationship with him or?

No.

Yeah, yeah.

I think he's worth more than—

I just wanted to, I really—

You just want answers because now you know.

Yeah.

And especially with that health stuff, now you have Andrew, what's your nickname, Bubba?

Bubby.

Bubby. That's cute.

Bubby.

Bubs. Well, now you have Bubby that can give you some answers about your health. You are able to go in together.

Yes.

I do think that there's a part of this relationship that now is able to heal. The big thing I say to you is you gotta just remember that from this point on, when she says she needs answers and stuff, as hard as it's gonna be, you took the big step of showing up today.

Yeah.

She just needs you to show up. I know. She just needs you to show up. And as much as I know it's you wanna go, you've been rejected, you have to understand that her rejection is really more confusion.

Yeah.

She's just hurting. And I want you to remember that 14-year-old girl in you that was hurting, that felt rejected, feeling rejected, that's what she's been feeling. And so I know sometimes you're gonna come up and say, "You rejected me too, so I'm gonna lash back out." But you can't. You can't because there's a beautiful relationship that could be built here. It could really be built here. Yeah. And I think y'all can do the work. And if you need some questions, I'm gonna give y'all my number. Y'all can call me. I can help y'all through it.

Okay?

I can help y'all through it. All right? But good luck. I hope you did it.

You did it.

You did it, girl. Many people reach out to me with the hope that I will uncover a truth that could lead to relief or closure, but sometimes it leads to heartache. One way or another, when things come to light, it's a moment of growth because when we are armed with the truth, remember friends, we can never be lost in the dark. Kierra's mother was only 15 years old when she found out that she was pregnant with her. She was terrified of having a baby so young, but she did her best to raise Kiera on her own. Kiera appreciates her mother's dedication to her, but has always struggled with the man she believes is her father. He has been denying her off and on for her entire life. Recently, he broke her heart for the final time when he told her, "Go find your real father." She came to me to ask for help to get a DNA test to reveal whether or not Rashad is in fact her biological father. How's it been for you knowing that Rashad has been denying you?

It's really been hard. I don't express my feelings a lot. I try to keep it down, but everything that's been happening lately, he's been kept going on and on about the situation. I didn't care at first, but then like the last thing that he said, it really broke me a lot.

When do you remember Rashad first denying you?

I was around 11, 12.

Yeah.

But my mom said it was even younger than that, but I don't have no memory of all of that happening.

So I know that my producer said he sent you a nasty text recently. What was that text?

It was basically him saying that he's not my father and it's outta two other people.

You're in love. I mean, I know this is hurting you, Is it the text? You're not a daughter, never been, actually needed a blood test. Don't think you're mine anyway. Go find your real dad.

Yeah.

I wanna know from you, do you want a relationship with him? Do you want him to be your father?

I do. I really do.

Yeah, and why?

Because I see how a lot of people get treated by him. He's a good man, he is. But like, it's just, I think it's just with me, to be honest. He shows emotion with different people more than he shows emotion with me.

Yeah. You took a DNA test.

Yes.

Do you think he's your father?

I do.

And now it's time to hear from her mother, Keyonna, to get her side of the story. Do you have any doubt that Rashad is her father?

I do not have no doubt.

No doubts.

I was 15 years old. Like, okay, I was pregnant at 15, but I don't have no doubts whatsoever.

So when did he start denying her?

He started denying her, I could say around like 7 years old. But she like basically, they did another DNA around like 11 years old. So that's when everything just start going left.

So I'm confused. So at 11 years old, He did a DNA test.

Yes.

Then why are we still here questioning this?

Because he did not go through with it.

Okay.

That's my issue. He did not go through with it 'cause I feel like he know she his.

Got it.

Every other 2 years he like, "Oh, it's not my baby." Then another 2 years, "That's my baby." Then another 2 years, "It is my baby." It's getting confusing.

It's getting frustrating.

Yeah.

Okay, so have you ever said to him there could be another man that's possibly the father?

When we was very, very young, I'm not gonna lie, I did say that 'cause I was in over some mad situation because he had a girlfriend and— Got it. But I know for sure that that's not true. Got it. And he's their father.

So you were young, you made a comment, and then he latched onto it.

Yeah.

Did you make that comment around the time when she was 6, 7 years old?

No, I only said it one time.

Okay.

I only said it one time when I was young. I was like 17 years old when I said it. And since then I've been just like saying you her father. I know for a fact you her father.

My producers told me that one of his complaints is that you were with other men. Were you with other men?

Not when I was pregnant. No, I wasn't. But if I'm not with you and you're not my boyfriend or anything like that, I'm gonna be with other men. I'm not gonna stay single Because you want me to have, just be with you. No, I'm 15, it happened, I had her, and it is what it is. I'm not gonna stay single because you want me to.

How far along were you when you found out?

I was 4 months pregnant. I didn't even know I was pregnant. I was 4 months baby having a baby, so I did not know.

And how long were y'all together at that point?

We wasn't even together.

And right now I wanna bring out the alleged father Rashad to hear his side of the story. Rashad, come on out.

How you doing, man?

Nice to meet you.

Good to meet you.

Good to see you.

What up, everydaddy?

You sent a text to your daughter.

Yep.

Yes.

Do you think that text is a loving text?

It wasn't appropriate at all, but this is why.

Then why did you send it?

Because my daughter was texting me back and forth talking about how I'm a deadbeat, I'm no good, I'm not there, which is totally not true. She be with a bunch of cousins and friends whose dads are in jail, whose dads are dead, and she's feeling them and it rubbed off on her because at the same time, I always was there.

But do you think it reinforces her feelings when you say things like this?

No.

Because if you're feeling pain by your daughter saying something to you, I'm a parent, Children say things outta their mouth all the time, but it's our job as parents to step above that.

It wasn't appropriate. Listen, right. And it wasn't appropriate.

No.

And I get that. I wanted to hurt my daughter feelings. You know why? Because she hurt my feelings. She told me, "I get it." Hold on, hold on. How you got your daughter telling you to?

But I wanna take a second.

So she hurt my feelings and I end up texting her back that stuff like, "You know what? Go find your real dad." I did say that. Because you know what, at the end of the day, I'm not gonna sit here and tolerate that. I'mma love you from a distance. And I bet she ain't show them text messages. I'mma love you from a distance. You wanna be disrespectful and disobedient? I love you from a distance.

Before that, before he sent that text—

I hurt her feelings because she told me to—

Okay, before he sent that—

So I told her, go find a real dad, stop it.

Anyways, before—

Excuse my language.

Before he sent that text message, Me and him was on the phone for like a whole hour. Say we wasn't.

We were.

Okay.

And I told my girl that. And I told my girl that.

And I asked you, and I asked you not to say nothing to Kiara. Didn't I tell you that? And I told you I was gonna talk to her.

You don't tell me what to do.

Okay, but you be disrespectful to my daughter.

Rashad, I wanna know this. What will you do if she's not your daughter?

I'm gonna still be there for her.

Move around. No, you're not. Move around.

Even if I wanna be there, move around now.

You get me?

This is what I've been going through since she was a kid.

I'm tired of this. You're not the father? I'm tired. You're not the father?

All right, listen everyone.

And you was having sex with the baby's father.

All right everyone, listen, when we come back, we'll find out whether or not Rashawn—

And you was having sex with me too, huh?

You was what? Hold on, hold on.

No, no, no.

And you was having sex with me too and I told your girlfriend.

Listen, listen.

You was playing with me.

Listen, we have to stop this.

I'm old dude you be messing with, go get checked, man.

But hold on, but you're participating as well.

That's what we gonna do.

Go get checked.

Yep, you gonna get checked.

Y'all know y'all daughter's backstage watching this, right?

Yes.

You showed up because you were willing to do the work to figure out if this is your daughter so that maybe you could start to heal. And you letting this relationship you have with somebody you met when you were 15 affect another generation. I can already hear from your story that you had trauma and pain. You were 15, went into jail, or in jail when you were 16 or 17, whatever the timeline is. And then you stayed in jail, which means that there was issues.

I didn't stay in jail. I got better. I became like—

I'm not dogging you right now. What I'm saying right now is that you had a history of not having people there for you, not having support. That's the only reason a young man ends up in those situations.

Well, I ended up in those situations because I grew up without a father.

You just repeated what I said. I said, you were 16 years old with no support. I heard it.

How'd you know that?

Because I can see the way you acting. I'm trained in this. But this is what gets me is that this is why this is not entertaining to me is because at the end of the day, the same hurt you received, the same hurt she received, all y'all doing is putting this on a little girl who doesn't deserve this.

All I was trying to do to you was when you were 17, all I wanted, listen, Listen, listen, all I wanted to do is be there for all my kids and I'm there for every single last one of my kids and take care of every single last one of my kids. Me and my daughter being inconsistent, it's only because of the family member that they grew up in the household with and Keyonna. Me, them arguments has caused me to pause because she kept my daughter away from me.

What does mama say to you?

Plenty of times, Karamo.

Listen, listen, because I understand what you're saying, but at the end of the day, It doesn't matter what relationship you have with her. You're making the choice to engage. You're making the choice to be disrespectful. You're making the choice when you're hurt to disrespect your potential daughter. You're making those choices. And every time you get upset, every time you get heated, every time you feel like you're being challenged, that comes from that pain that you had as a little boy, you then lash out. And I think one of the things that I wanna talk to you about later after we get to this, is helping you to understand that you're better than lashing out. You're better than that. You said you don't wanna be your father, then you have to start acting in different ways.

What I do know is that what—

And that's the truth. Which is true.

I think you're better than that. All right, welcome back everyone. Before we get to the DNA results, I wanna bring Kiara and her mom, Keyonna, back out. Welcome them back to the stage.

I'm sorry for walking off. I had to.

I got it. Why did you feel like you needed to walk off?

'Cause I know myself with him. He's very, very rude, very ignorant, disrespectful, and I don't got time for that.

Both of y'all were kids that had to grow up fast.

Exactly.

And unfortunately, y'all didn't get all the life skills and tools you needed. And y'all have been in defense mode Y'all have been in modes where y'all are trying to do your best but making bad decisions. At the end of the day, your daughter wants to know if you're the father. You said go find your real father.

This is my daughter regardless.

Here go the results.

You scared, huh?

No, not at all.

Take a seat, take a seat, take a seat.

Not at all.

No.

I'm not. Hey! Woo! Can I have that? Is she mine?

Yeah, is she mine?

Yeah. Can I have apology please?

Not to you.

Why?

But I will apologize to you. I'm so, so sorry if I brung you any type of pain before today about even mentioning stuff like this in the text messages and stuff like this. I swear to God, like, I'm so sorry, daughter. Like, I always knew you was mine anyway.

I'm sorry. Yes.

Yes.

That's what I want. This is exactly what I want right here. I'm sorry. Can I have this, please? That's all I wanted.

I'm sorry.

And I love you so much and I don't want you to think that I don't. I swear to God, I love you so much. I'm sorry about lashing out times. I will get better.

I promise.

I promise.

I promise.

So you all need this healing.

I love you. I love you too.

This is what I'm gonna offer to you as a family. If you both truly wanna stop the chaotic co-parenting, I'm gonna offer both of you anger management so that you can learn the skills to be able to communicate better when you're with each other so that way you stop shooting bullets at your daughter that's gonna hurt her for the rest of her life.

I apologize to you too.

That's fine.

So I'm gonna ask y'all.

Not no hugs, but can I get a handshake?

I'm gonna ask y'all right now. Hold on right now, one second, one second. I'm gonna ask y'all right now 'cause I need this commitment. Can y'all two commit in front of your daughter to stop this chaotic co-parenting for her?

I will commit.

Yes.

Can you say to your daughter?

I will commit and do the best I can to make you happy and to not lash out with anger and to to also respect your mom because I know that by not respecting her too and you feel her emotionally. So if I'm saying all this hurtful stuff, you gonna vibe with mommy 'cause that's exactly where you staying at. And I apologize for that too 'cause I shouldn't have to be talk, saying names and calling your mom this and that. And that's wrong. And I will get way better with how I talk to you and If something's a weird situation, I would rather just hold your hand and let's sit down and talk about it rather than accusing you of anything.

Great.

Because I never sat you down.

Thank you.

I never sat her down from that situation she brung up. I just lashed out.

Yeah.

And that was wrong of me.

So now can you two commit to going to that anger management?

I'll go.

I'll go.

You go?

I'll go.

Y'all gonna be all right. You're gonna be all right. You're especially gonna be all right because what I'm gonna teach your parents is to put you first. Because right now they've been putting their emotions first and you need to come first. And as you grow up, never allow anybody to put you second. You come first. And don't lash out, okay? When they learn anger management and they start to learn these skills, ask them, say, can y'all teach me these skills too?

Right.

All right? Seriously. 'Cause I already know you picked up they skills and you about to be 18 And I don't want you to start doing this in your own life as well. Break the pattern now, okay? You have a lot of strength and vulnerability in you. You can break it, all right? But I'm glad you committed to getting help because I believe this can be a family that can start to heal. Welcome to the show, friends. My guests Nate and Anissa are here to resolve a DNA mystery. Anissa says that she was rescued by her potential father at 10 years old from what she now knows was a crack house. Nate also suspected he had a daughter, but them sharing DNA was always a question. Today we will uncover the mystery. First, let's meet Anissa to get her side of the story. Hi, Anissa. How are you doing? Nice to meet you. Yes, thank you. You look great, pretty in this red.

Thank you.

Yes. So Anissa, I just gotta get to it because reading that, You went through a lot of hard things when you were younger. Tell me about it.

Yeah, I did go through a lot of hard things when I was younger. Like, I don't wanna start tearing up. Like, my mom, like, she's very abusive. Like, she was a drug addict and, you know, like, it was really hard for me because, like, at that tender age, like, I didn't really understand. So I was looking for love. I was looking for the love and it was always absent. Like, to the point where, You know, I wasn't going to school. I didn't know how to be around other children, so I had to learn how to like act around other people.

Yeah, your social skills were gone.

Exactly. Not eating for days. I was being traded, like my body, she's selling me for drugs. And it was just hard. It was just like, I felt like, why did I exist?

Yeah, so your potential father rescued you.

My hero, yeah. Your hero. I still call him my dad because no matter what the results say today, like I still feel that energy, that connection. Like my dad came to rescue me when I was like 10 and I was born again. I was back in school, I was around kids my age. Like I was literally eating every day.

Yeah.

And all of the things that young girls today hate about their dads, like he's always asking where I'm at or he's overprotective, that was what I was longing for. That's what I wanted. And I got that, but it took some time.

Yeah, and you were in a crack house at that time when he found you.

Yeah, I was.

Was that your first time seeing him again?

Yeah, that was my first time seeing him again because what my mom did was hide me from him because she was taking it, she was exploiting me. She was taking advantage of me. Not for what mothers do with daughters. This was to the extreme level. Every time he would try to get close, pack up, let's go to a different hotel or motel or crack house.

In that time period, how did you stay so strong?

Never lose hope. For anybody that's going through or has been through what I'm going through, always keep that strength.

Good for you. So where are you right now in your life?

I have my own place. I'm a makeup and hairstylist. Working hard and trying to be that figure. Whoever is out there watching and is going through what I'm going through, just know that you're gonna make it.

You better preach.

Now you keep preaching.

It's not about what you've been through or your past. It's about your future. You don't hold on to the past 'cause that's never gonna shape your future. Like for me, when my dad came to rescue me, I say that like Superman, like that restored my hope and my faith. Like, okay, like I actually get to, like I belong here. Like I could, I'm human, you know? So then I started with my passion, like doing hair, doing makeup and being social because like I realized that I like being around people.

[Speaker] Yeah, yeah.

[Speaker] Right?

[Speaker] That hope and finding your passion never giving up. I think it's so great. But I also think it was part of it is that yes, your hero came into your life and got you. But what I love about this is that it's a story of understanding we all need support. And sometimes in the darkest moments we forget that support's out there. So I'm glad that your father, your potential father could be that hope for you and could be that support for you. So then why are you here today?

One day I heard him talking over the phone. I just heard him say, it's been years and I don't know how to tell you this. Tell her that I might not be her dad.

Wow.

And 'cause were you living with him at this point?

No, I wasn't. I was already, I was grown.

Oh, you were grown at this point?

Yeah.

So when he rescued you, you lived with him and he took care of you?

Yeah, like my own dad. Like I never like would've thought that it could be a possibility that he wasn't my dad. But then I understand like from his point because what my mom was doing, like she was running around doing whatever she was doing. So of course, It's a possibility, but I'm here to find out and I'm here because I needed you.

Oh, thank you, thank you. I'm glad I could be here for you. So how did that make you feel when you heard him questioning it?

It made me feel horrible, but I don't hate my dad. The only thing is I just felt hurt because it was like, "Dag, you could've told me," but he probably had his own reasons. I was already damaged, so he probably didn't want me to feel like, okay, Like if you're not my dad, then I don't have anybody. I'm back at square one.

Yeah. So what are you hoping for today?

I'm hoping for a miracle. I'm hoping that that's my dad.

Yeah.

My real dad. Because at the end of the day, like I know like he would never like leave me. He's been there. He never judged me. He's always been there rooting me.

When's the last time you talked to your mother or saw your mother?

I've heard through the grapevine that she's passed away. I don't feel any way about it because it's just like, Who's gonna be mad that the devil's gone, you know?

I understand that.

But I do have to say, I know that seemed a little bitter, but I forgave her.

It didn't seem bitter.

I did forgive her. That's why I was able to move on.

Yeah, yeah. Good, okay. And just to let you know, it didn't seem bitter because to hear that you were rescued from your potential father, from your father in a crack house, we can, any one of us without even experiencing that can understand why you would say, okay, you're gone. 'Cause she had her own demons that she was dealing with. And so I am glad that you have given her forgiveness and that forgiveness has allowed you to feel like you can continue to grow. And I can see the woman that you've become. Well, we'll find out soon if Nate is Anissa's biological father. But before we do, let's meet Nate. Welcome to the show.

And this is a very special girl. The place that I found her and I had to rescue her from, no child should have gone through it. And her mother basically exploited her for her own sickness.

Yeah.

And I don't wanna teach my daughter to be weak at any point, so you know, I'm trying to hold it in. I didn't know you guys could see me back there. I didn't wanna come out and tell Anissa because I'm not sure. And I didn't wanna mess up what she had going on in her life because that could've interfered in her education, you know, her dreams. And I didn't want her to look at me any different. Regardless of how them DNA tests come out, this is my daughter, period. This is my daughter.

I gotta tell you, I know you're trying to hold it in, but your vulnerability as a man, as a Black man, is a beautiful thing to see. You being vulnerable? Like, I heard her like that.

She never really seen me cry.

No, I didn't.

And I don't want her to see it, but if it was me, it would hurt me too. I'm just trying to imagine if it was me on the other side. And you know, I'm all she got.

Yeah.

And regardless of what I want you to know, I don't care about them DNA tests. You belong to me and I'm gonna take care of you regardless what.

I'm sorry, don't cry.

You okay?

So were you in Anissa's life prior to rescuing her from the crack house?

I mean, not really. I was young and in the beginning I didn't believe Anissa was my daughter because I found out things about her mother Some of her friends was letting me know, well, you know, that might not, she might not be pregnant by you because she be sleeping around, running around. And it broke my heart. I just stayed away from her after that.

So you were in a relationship with her during that time when she was being pregnant?

Yeah, well, I thought I was. I was just being played. Yeah, played. Yeah, but I did love her.

Yeah. Were you there when Anissa was born?

No, not in the hospital.

Okay.

But when I seen Anissa, And honestly, I don't wanna sound like an asshole, but when I was young, she was like the whitest baby ever. And I'm like, "Oh, hold on." I was like, "That's a caucus baby or something." I got a little darker. Yeah, but she did get darker. Over the years, I was just like, "Nah, nah, no, no, this is not my child." And then what switched for you?

Because like she said, you were a hero. You came and rescued her. What switched? You were 10 when that happened?

Yeah, I was 10.

Okay, so it was a lady that I knew and for some reason this lady got my number and then she called me. Actually, she called a friend of mine's and he said, "Your daughter's at this lady's house." And once I found that out, I didn't even ask myself twice. I just went to get her.

Yeah.

And I never told her that.

That was like the best day of my life.

I couldn't be a man I'll come be a man again. This is when Anissa was around 10 years old. I was a little older now. Yeah, you felt safe. So I know the difference between right and wrong.

Yeah.

So no questions, I got my daughter.

Yeah. Nate, we just all saw you during the commercial break get very emotional. What was going on in your mind?

She been through a lot.

I have.

You know?

It's not really just for me. I wanna empower my daughter. I just want her to know that I'm here for her no matter what the outcome be. Just don't let it break you down. It's just gonna make us closer. And I just feel the struggle that you've been through as an individual. I know I've been there, but it didn't happen to me. My mother didn't do that to me. I just feel a pain, that's it.

Yeah.

But I'm here for you no matter what.

Okay.

I love you.

I love you too, Anissa.

I don't want you to cry.

I'm sorry.

Don't cry. I'm sorry.

I've never seen you cry like this, so. You always taught me to be strong and headstrong, so.

What is the strength test?

Yeah, I love that. These are strength tears.

Trust me, these tears is gonna water and flourish and nourish whatever the seed we planted. Trust me.

Yes.

These are strength tears. Mm-hmm. Oh my gosh, lemme tell you something. I'm gonna say that before you just inspired something in my head. Those are strength tears.

I love it.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Karamo.

Yeah, that's beautiful. You know, Nate has been waiting 27 years to uncover this DNA mystery. Are you both ready?

Yes.

Yes. Yeah.

Oh my gosh, I'm nervous, man.

What are you feeling?

Oh my gosh, like, just, I like feel so nervous, like butterflies is in my stomach. Like I almost wish that we would've just left it like that, but gotta just, you know, we both deserve the truth, so.

Yeah. Well, in this envelope is the DNA outcome of if Nate is your father.

All right.

This is the moment I'm gonna give you the envelope so that you can see what it says.

All right.

I am. I know I am.

I love that.

I love that. I love that.

I love that.

I love that. You got me for a while. I was like, no, no, no. You got me. Yo, I took you.

Don't do that, man.

Wow.

Well, I don't have to cry no more.

So this is your daughter. How does that make you feel?

Yeah, I thought I was sterile. But thank you.

Yes.

Thank you. Thank you.

Well, I'm glad that I have this information. And my producers told me that there's actually more to this story. Yeah. That there's something that you actually need to tell. Now we know for sure that you actually need to tell your father.

Well, now that we have this clear, I hope you don't mind. I mean, the gray hair's coming in already, but you're gonna be a grandfather.

What? What? What? What?

I'm gonna tell you this, though, Nate. This is something beautiful, because in this moment right now, because of your strength and your ability to step up and be vulnerable, you broke just generational chains.

Thank you.

Thank you. You did that.

Thank you.

You did that.

Thank you.

And I don't wanna leave this stage without recognizing how powerful that is because you just heard your daughter say she's gonna be the best mom. She's gonna be there. Yeah. And that's because you gave her a second shot.

Exactly.

Thank you. You gave her a chance. You broke generational chains. And I think not enough time we get to look at a man, especially a black man, to say thank you for doing that. Thank you, thank you.

I appreciate that. Thank you, Karamo.

You did that, you did that.

Thank you.

And you did it as well, 'cause you had the strength to continue on as well. And so I'm proud of you as well. This is on you too, you know what I mean? This child is gonna be born into a life of love and support. Yes, that's correct. Something that you two didn't have at first when you were first kids, you know what I mean? You had it later once you met him, but this child is now going to never have to experience that.

Never, never.

And God willing, the next generation, the next generation on, Is going to never have to think about, well, what happened if someone doesn't love me and supports me? Because y' all have changed that.

Yes, exactly.

Good job.

Unconditionally.

Yes, of course.

I'm so happy for you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

What is it, Papa Pap. Pat, I'm all excited for you. I'm proud to be so happy. Yeah.

Thank you.

Congratulations.

I'm sorry. Now I could really say dad, like, with real confidence, with your chest. Yes, thank you, Dad.

I love you too.

I love you too.

Thank you.

I'm gonna be there for you.

This is beautiful. I'm so happy for you both. Stay with us, friends. We'll be right back with more.

Growing up, I never had my dad.

Yeah.

First, can I tell you this? Mm-hmm.

Sure.

If Andrea is not my sister, then you got a twin, I got a twin, Sarah got a twin, everybody get a twin from Oprah.

OK.

So that's just how I feel. No, I didn't have him in my life. I missed out on that.

Yeah.

You know, that was just something that was not for me. My siblings, their fathers kind of let me come along, you know? Yeah. As the kind of sympathy. Type thing, don't leave her at home type thing. Yeah, and that made me feel not wanted.

Yeah. Here you go, my love.

Definitely not loved.

Yeah.

Like, why my daddy didn't want me? Why wasn't I good enough for a daddy? Why everybody else get to have one? Like, what's wrong with me? So yeah.

Yeah.

That, that hurt.

It hurt.

A lot.

Yeah. Did your mom ever have you try to meet him?

When I was 13, she, we were in the car. She got out, went in my grandmother's house. She said, "That's your daddy." Yeah. So I went up to him and I said that to him. "Are you my daddy?" And he said no and walked away. And my mom came out the house, I was crying in the car and she just turned around like, "Cut all that out. Cut it out." And I never asked again. Well, I did, but it was years later.

No, I get that. Your mom was probably so hurt from the situation, she didn't know how to process it.

Exactly.

So her only thing to, her only advice could be to you is do what she was doing, which was shut it down.

Yeah.

Just don't feel the emotions, don't feel.

Yeah, that's what she was telling me to do. But I feel.

Yeah, of course you did. Did you ever ask your mother why she told you that that was your dad?

She said, 'Cause it was my father. And I said, 'Well, he said he wasn't my father.' She said, 'I said that's your daddy.' Did you ever try to talk to him again? No, I never got a chance. Next time I saw him with my physical eyes, he was in a casket. I never got that chance.

Yeah, I hear you. When did you find out that your father went to prison?

I knew of an incident when I was younger. I was outside playing with, I didn't know at the time, his son, I knew that was his son. And an incident happened where he shot somebody. After that, that's what he went to prison for. He didn't go right away, but yeah, that's what he ended up going to prison for.

My producers told me that you witnessed that and not knowing that he was your father.

I did. I was outside playing with His, my brother at the time, I guess.

Yeah.

Yeah, well, hopefully he my brother. And yeah, I was told to go in the house. I couldn't even, I didn't even get a, wasn't allowed to go back over there for like 2 weeks. I was not, I had to leave out the back door and I was not allowed over there for like 2 weeks after that incident.

So then you got older, did you try to ask your mother about him again?

No, she called me.

Okay.

And she said, "I got something to tell you and I need you to come over." So I went over and she said, "Well, I'm gonna tell you this before you see it on the TV." I go, "What?" "Well, your daddy's gonna be on America's Most Wanted. They're gonna reenact the whole situation and da, da, da, da. And I need to tell you before you see this." Wow. Yeah.

So I wanna know, how hard was it growing up for you without your father? Because I'm hearing these moments where you're, these glimpses that were difficult. How, like what was the rest of the time?

Horrible.

Yeah.

I don't know a lot of people, well my siblings, their fathers were in, they were there. I didn't have that. I never got the daddy-daughter dance. I never got my daddy. Telling me when me and not to date. And my daddy telling me I'm his baby girl. I never got that. I never got, my kids never experienced him. You know, I never got a chance to experience my father. And I'm mad, I'm mad. 'Cause I never got that. And I deserve to have a daddy. And I never got one.

So how did you end up connecting with Andrea?

Oh my goodness. I had told my god sister about my dad and our hairdresser, she was at an appointment and she was telling our hairdresser about my dad and then she said his name. And at the time my hairdresser was dating Andrea's brother and she like, Wait a minute, that name sound familiar. So she did a couple of phone calls and she called me and she was like, I think I might have found your sister, but I'll call you back. And it went like for 30 minutes, like back and forth, back and forth. And then she called me like, I found your sister. I'm like, I got a sister? She like, girl, you got a sister. So I was excited.

That beauty shop phone chain?

That beauty shop phone chain?

Wow.

I was so excited. Yes. I'm like, wow.

How was it the first time you met her?

I was so shocked. And we both, I'm quite, I don't know how she felt and you definitely have to ask her, but she looked more like me than I look like me. Like, you crazy. If she not my sister, that's my twin. Like my daddy, I look more like her daddy than her. Like, you gotta, They have to be my sister. All my siblings, they like, oh my God, I look like nobody in my family. So who am I? Like, can I belong to somebody? You know?

Yeah, I hear you. I hear you. How did she take it when she got the news that you could be her sister?

I mean, she was willing to meet me. So, I came to her house, like they brought me to her house. So, I don't think like she was like opposed to it. But I know that because, I'm just gonna say that I don't think because her family doesn't totally accept me, like she can't totally accept me. And like she won't open herself up to me to me and like, 'cause she really don't know. 'Cause she don't know. So we have like this spurt of a relationship, but I love her with my soul and I just want her to love me like that.

Yeah.

Does she ever talk to you about your father?

We don't talk about him like that.

Yeah. Don't talk about him. No. Why not?

Because I don't know. You have to ask her maybe 'cause she not for sure. Maybe like they say, everybody just got a twin.

Did she ever talk to her father about you?

When she first went to go see him in prison, or at a point, he said I was his daughter. Mind you, my dad had brain cancer. So when she went to go ask him again, like, 'cause I was gonna go see him, she was trying to work it out where I could go see him. And he said I wasn't his daughter, but he was on his deathbed and cancer was eating his brain. So that's what everybody went with.

Did you have a chance to meet him when he was in prison?

I never got, he died before I could get on the list.

And I know you said that you went to the funeral. What was that moment like for you?

Weird.

Like I wasn't really feeling like I belong.

Yeah. Because you just told me that Andreia's family was having doubt. I pray to God that I give you some good news today. I pray to God. I really do hope. But listen everyone, my guest Ivory says Andreia won't warm up to their relationship until she knows for sure that they are sisters. So everyone please welcome Andreia to the show.

I talked to my father a few times on the phone, but prior to that, my father got in trouble As Irie said, he shot my brother's mother. He was on the run, he was on America's Most Wanted. He called me and he told me that that was my sister, that this was her, this was his daughter. I went along with it. He was in prison for a minute. He told me that this was his daughter. On his deathbed, now it's not my daughter. I'm like, I'm confused now.

You said you were ready for your happy ending, so the only way we'll find out if you get that is if we give you these results. Are you ready? This is the results you've been waiting all these years for, to know if this is your sister, to know if he was your father, to know where you belong. Are you ready?

Yeah.

It's yours to open whenever you're ready.

This is for me? For me? This is everything. This is my identity.

Yeah.

This is 48 years of missing a part of me. Part of me. I know Daddy not here no more, your father. But I just believe what my mama said. And I know my mama would not lie to me. She was too straight from the hip for that. No matter what they say, you always gonna be my sister. Your kids always gonna be my babies. I'mma always love you. And if it's not, you know, I apologize to your mother. I really do doubt her, you know? But I don't doubt my mother, okay? I love you.

Okay.

Okay. Period, period, period. I told y'all. Thank God, thank God. Oh, thank God, thank God.

Oh my gosh, thank God. I cannot lie, I was over here— I was over here praying.

I'm like, I'm like, Jesus, oh my gosh, I'm so happy for you. Oh my God, I'm so happy for you. You got your good news! You got your good news! You got your You got your good news. You got your good news. I'm sorry, y'all. Don't apologize, this your moment. I don't know. This your moment. 48 years. Like, I, like, people kept saying, like, "Thank you, sister." And y'all treated me so bad, man. Like, people treated me so bad. And I still love people. Yeah. Thank you so much.

You're welcome.

I show gratitude.

Oh my gosh.

I show you so much gratitude. 'Cause I'm gonna tell you this. No, no, no, no. If it was not for you, your team is freaking amazing. And I show so much gratitude. Thank you. 'Cause if it was not for you, She is the sister.

How does it feel to know this is sister?

I feel great, but I want to say that I apologize for everything you went through. I don't care about that stuff no more. You have to help me. I don't care about that stuff no more.

I will say this. I hope that the family members that were there understand that your heart is big and that even though sometimes pride can come up and it's easy to be like, you know what, I ain't gonna say nothing, I ain't gonna do nothing. I hope that, I just pray to God that they can release any pride and just say, you know what, it's all right, we're sorry. And then accept you with full arms because you deserve it.

Oh, they gonna accept it.

Okay. You said ain't no problem, ain't nothing. They gonna accept it 'cause she got it. I'm so happy you got your good news today.

I am too. And I wanna say— again, gratitude to you because without you this would not be possible. And then I got to meet my best friend. He was my best friend in my head and my best friend. We best friend now. We best friend now. We best friend. You're my head. We best friend.

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