The Sketchiest Scammers & Thieves | KARAMO

You need to tell the truth.

No, I am telling the truth.

I offered you the stamps. Yeah, I gave you the stamps. I gave you the $100.

And regardless of what—

Can I finish though?

You had your chance.

Tell the truth.

No, it was my turn.

Okay, live the truth.

You gotta start off. $20,000 is a lot of money. So please tell me. Yes, it is. What's the story with this $20,000?

So, I mean, first I think we gotta go back to Where it all began. Growing up, my father wasn't around much. He was an addict. He was able to hide the fact that he was an addict because he was such a damn good liar. Like such a good con man, right? He's an abuser. He blames all of it on addiction, but it's just who he is, I think.

[Speaker:KARAMO] So all of that is leading you to believe that he took this money. So what did your father say about the money?

[Speaker] So my grandmother died. She had money, she had a lot of money. She spoiled him growing up. Everybody in the family knows this. He was known for being a spoiled brat and my grandmother would bail him outta everything. When my grandmother died, she left me $20,000 to go to college. Only stipulation was that had to have my name, had to go to college. When I was in high school, I think my junior year, he told me that he was getting his associate's degree. At the end of high school though, I asked him where my money was and he told me that it disappeared.

What's interesting about that thing about the associate's degree is because you said that part of the stipulation was the $20,000 was to you as long as you went to college and is in your name.

Exactly.

And so you and your father have the same name. So do you think that your father went to college just to take your money?

I think he went to college just to take my money. It made zero sense that he would go to college for anything considering He doesn't have anything that he wants to do with a degree. He's all—

Did he finish?

I believe so. I haven't spoke to him in a while.

How long has it been since y'all spoke?

About 2 and a half years.

2 and a half years, got it.

The last time I spoke to him, he told me to stop contacting him.

Oh wow.

Yeah, he told me to stop contacting him because I wasn't giving up on the money that he had said my grandmother left for me for college.

Was your father around when you were growing up?

Not much. Growing up, He had visitation rights here and there, but I would go visit him in halfway houses and all types of things. Like, we slept different places. He tried, he tried somewhat, but he's a shithead, he can't help it, I guess.

Was he abusive towards you?

Yes, for about a year when I was around 12.

Got it.

We were living in Dayton, Ohio. When we were living with him, it went from We were living in an abandoned house in Dayton where there were roaches and mice and all types of stuff. Like, you could go into the kitchen and the mice and the roaches, they're just there. They don't run, they're just there. That's how comfortable they— that was more their home than it was ours.

Wow.

Then we moved to a second home in Dayton, and in that second home, one morning, I think probably about 2 weeks into us staying in the second home, He woke me up with a belt, you know, beating me. Like, he didn't say anything. He didn't just wake me up first. I turn around and I get smacked in the face with a fucking belt. You know, I get up. I think he said, "You wanna fight your mama? You wanna argue with your mama?" I have no idea what he's talking about. But he's in some Timberland boots with basketball shorts on, no underwear, because I know because his stuff is just hanging all in the wind. But he's like, "You wanna fight me?" He's like, "Fight me, fight me." I'm not a punk. I'm no bitch. So I fight back somewhat, or at least I try to, but my pop's 6'7". He boxed and wrestled in the Army. He's beating me up, he puts down the belt, he's like, "Fight back, fight back," like I'm getting initiated into a gang or something. And you know, essentially it took me a while to comprehend the fact that that was abuse because I've always been accustomed to fighting back. I'm from Detroit. I come from nothing. I had to fight for everything that I have. But growing up, I realized how much it really messed me up. He beat the shit outta me.

So when you got to high school, you started to try to, you got outta that household because he stayed on drugs. Is he sober now?

He claims he is. I don't believe him though.

My producer, and this is striking me 'cause my producers, I remember telling me earlier that your father told you something about his kidneys. What did he tell you about his kidneys?

[Speaker] Yes, yes. So my junior year in high school, he contacted me and he said that his kidneys were failing. You know, I took that as, you know, he's dying. And I mean, I was thinking all types of things like, man, would I be able to give him one of my kidneys? So, you know, he slowly, you know, we started talking again. He came down to Texas and watched a football game and he went down for my graduation. The night of my graduation, we went to dinner and when it was me, him, and his wife, and when he went to the restroom, I asked his wife about the kidney. She said she had no idea about it.

Was his wife Jamie?

Yes.

Okay, Jamie, you're here today, right? Hi, Jamie. Is it true that when you were at dinner that you didn't know about the kidney failure?

No, I didn't know about the kidney failure.

You didn't know about it. And how long at this point had y'all been married?

2 years.

2 years. And did you ever find out, ever, did he ever go get treatment for his kidney during that time?

We never really talked about it anymore.

Never talked about it anymore?

No, there wasn't.

How do you feel about this situation? Do you think that your husband is capable of doing this?

Stealing the money?

Stealing money?

No. From the 4 years that I know him, well, I've been married to him, I don't see him as stealing any money.

Not from his son.

Got it. Got it.

I just see him about trying to get back together with his son.

How do you feel about what was just said?

Well, about the addiction part, got 8 years clean, he said, and I'm proud of that.

8 years clean, congratulations.

Big designer, and I'm still in school, right?

So what happened with the $20,000 in there?

It was $30,000, right? I've never seen the will, right? And yes, my grandmother spoiled me. She died in my arms. And what was supposed to been left for me, because I was getting high at that time, that she said she wasn't gonna leave it to me. Gonna leave it to your son.

I'm cool.

I was cool with that. I was getting more money from her being alive than I do with her dead. So I'd rather for her to be here. So it ain't about the money with me, right? Never been about money.

When did they pass away?

2015.

2015.

Yeah.

So 8 years ago. Yeah. So you were still been, like you just said, you were still using at that time.

Yes.

Did you take your son's money? I gotta ask you clearly.

No.

For what reason? No.

So what do you think happened to the money then?

I don't know. I really don't know. I've never seen no paperwork with the money.

If you're referring to my great-grandmother, right? Gramps?

My grandma.

Then her.

I'll have access to that will. But I don't think anybody's been referring to Gramps as the one that left the money.

Oh, you talking about my mom? Yeah. Oh, my mom.

Yeah, she left you everything.

No, me and my sister split it. I split everything, so.

So is that not the one that left the money?

No, my grandmother. Let's go back. My mother passed away, what, 2002?

So if you received everything, you must have access to that will, right?

No, I didn't.

Well then how'd you see the money?

Listen, listen, listen.

Final will and testament is a legal document.

Well, you find it, son. Listen, I never seen no will. Oh, see, I find it. Listen, check this out, check this out. We both can't talk at the same time, right? And you always had a lot of mouth since a little boy.

Oh wow.

Regardless of the situation. And that's why we always went through what we went through. You can say what you want. That's why. Listen, you can say what you want to me, but when it comes to your mom, and me and your mom, I don't even like your mom, but for you disrespecting your mom in front of me, I'm gonna put my foot in your ass. Simple, just straight.

Why would you tell me that your kidneys are failing?

I didn't tell you my kid is from me.

Yes, you did. Man, you such a liar.

We should've took a lie detector test for that.

You ain't changed at all.

I don't even know what you're talking about.

Well, tell me about it. I told him about it.

Have you done everything you think you can to mend this relationship with your son?

Yeah, you know, for the last 8 years I've been living real good.

Have you apologized?

I apologized to him face to face in Texas, right?

And when he told me, he said, "I don't wanna listen to this." You don't even take accountability. How you gonna make an apology? Listen, listen. Sorry, look, apologies are action statements. Sorry is an action.

Hold on, hold on. Check out the actions you've done, so at the same time.

You take accountability for your actions when you apologize.

I didn't steal your money because we both can't talk at the same time, right? So I didn't steal his money. So even for me to give him an apology, right? He won't even shut up enough for me to even give him that. So I didn't steal his money. So get to that.

Okay, but I'm trying to do that right now. I can't, even if I wanted to apologize to you. But even without the money, I'm watching the behavior and I'm even watching how you talk to him right now, tell him to shut up, the way that you're not acknowledging the abuse and how you're saying—

You've been like this forever.

Watching those things, there's still patterns of what he experienced as a child that I'm seeing exhibited.

Yeah, like he still got the same crackhead, abusive ass tendencies.

It's some drama. That's still my child.

I am in the process of writing books, right?

I'm not gonna be here to make you look bad.

A lot of people know my story. Within a year, I'll be a published author. People are gonna read my shit.

My book is in, I'm publishing.

And your book gonna be straight shit, so.

We're gonna unlock the truth now to get to the truth of this, but I will tell you this, this is my advice before I end this. No matter what the test says, you stole his childhood. I do know that much.

Yeah, I know I stole it.

You stole his childhood.

I stole his childhood.

And I'm gonna tell you this, you are still stealing his dignity. I'm watching this right now. You are still stealing his dignity. So whether you stole money, you do have to reconcile the fact that there's a childhood that's stolen, his dignity is stolen, and you're not acknowledging it. I'm watching the way that you're still talking about it. If someone has expressed as a father, If my child expressed to me, this is what you did to me, I was abused, I felt hurt by this. No matter what a child's actions are, they're still a child. And he's telling you right now that it affected him deeply. Money in this context is a synonym for security. Because what happened is, is a child did not have any security and the one bit of security that was given to him and passed down to him, he feels like the man who robbed him of his security his entire life has now taken the last bit of security that he deserves. So that's why money is an issue. So you have to understand that.

Open that thing, man.

I will, I will. Your question was, why is this about money? And I'm trying to break it down to you in a way of what it is. So in this envelope is the truth of the matter. Are you ready for this?

Sure.

All right. So when it comes to if Eric Sr. has stolen the $20,000 or $30,000 from you, the truth is he did not take your money. How do you feel about that?

I feel like it was a whole lot more questions.

I feel like Eric Sr. is a really good liar and he believes all his lies. So quite frankly, you pass a lot of your skills down to me. So I know, I know how to lie just as well.

And I know that from, from the wrestling, from the lying, from the cheating, from the stealing, from the conniving, from the lying that you doing up here. All that shit had—

Up here?

Listen, it's a lot of shit I wanna break the cycle with from the womanizing.

Just 'cause like womanizing?

Yeah, from everything that I lived through, that I was passed down, I would love to break it.

Oh, I'm not womanizing like you.

That's why I was hoping you was gonna be the first one to go to college, but I kind of beat you there. You was supposed to be in the first gamble, but I beat you there.

So you know I'm good.

So hold on, so you wanted this test so that you can repair your relationship. I'm gonna tell you again, I'm gonna tell you again, Eric Jr., you gotta gimme a moment real quickly because the way that you're communicating him right now as if it's a competition, I beat you there, I beat you there. If you really wanted to get this to be cleared up so you can move forward with him, the way you just communicate with him is still abusive. It's still abusive in it. I beat you to it. It's like, why beat him down more? No, no, no, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on. I mean, but you know what?

Hold on, listen, because you put it out there wrong on me and so I'm not gonna let you do that. I wanted to put it because it was supposed to have been celebrated, right? Because I didn't go to college. My mother saved up all this money.

Yeah, you wanna be celebrated, right?

And you wonder why. For the song.

But he's right in that moment. I listen, I'm an outside third party.

I'm talking to Karamo, right?

And I'm trying to talk to you.

But to celebrate him, you don't have to say that I made it first. No, no, no. I can celebrate my kids all day long and never have to tell them that I did it first. My children, one of my sons right now is getting in the NBA. In the industry, and there are so many things he accomplished. And when he accomplished them, I say, "Oh my, it's good for you." I had never once come outta my mouth said, "You know what? Well, I did it first. You know, Dad did it." Oh, okay. I sit there and I say to him always, "I'm so proud of you. You keep going, you keep making it." I'm always proud of him. I know, but what I'm trying to help you to see is that— He was supposed to be the first Gamble to go to college.

It's the point I was supposed to make. He was supposed to been the first Gamble to go to college. I waited till I was 50-something years old. That was the point I was trying to make. Not competition. He was supposed to been the first.

Every time that you were around, you know, to witness my success, it was always, you know, you just, not you feeling good for me, but you feeling good about me. 'Cause you seem to think that my success is in some way your success. It's not, not at all.

I didn't play no part in you getting here.

Everything that I have, I worked for. You are, and quite frankly, I don't need you in my life.

Okay, well listen, I will tell you this, I'll tell you this.

I'm cool with that.

I'm cool with that. I think that was a, You've made your point clear of where you stand in your life right now. Listen, Eric Jr., I wanna let you know something. I believe in you. You have accomplished so, so much and you are gonna do really great things in your life. And I don't want you to let anybody, not even your father, put limits on what you can accomplish because you're gonna accomplish great things. I know there's a lot of trauma and things that you have not been able to deal with that you're not gonna get answers for, but you can still You can still overcome this as you already have and you can soar. So just keep soaring. We all believe in you, trust me, okay? I believe in you, all right? Good luck. I wish you all the best. All right everyone, thank you for being with us. Make sure to come back next time, friends, so we can keep talking and we can keep growing. I love you all.

Good luck, man.

Good luck, man.

Good luck, man. No redemption, you know? Uh, a lot of stuff was said, right? A lot of stuff I could have said, but I did not attempt to damage my son. I wanted him to be successful. I just wanted my name cleared with this money, you know. Kind of hurt behind the situation, and I got a relationship with him. Um, kind of made— he made me look bad out there, but I'm okay with that. Um, and I would never make him look bad. I'm 'Cause nobody asked, not even my son. So if you don't want nothing to do with this, I did my part. I can sleep well now. I'm cool with that.

I'm sorry to hear about your husband, first of all. Do you mind sharing with me how he passed?

He was an alcoholic.

Okay.

And he was drinking and driving and ran a red light and got hit by a truck.

Oh my God. And now you say she wasn't there for you as a friend?

She was at first, when he first passed. And then things kind of went sideways a little bit. I had postpartum really bad 'cause I had just had my second child.

Yeah.

My kids were 2 months and 1 and a half whenever he got in the car.

How long ago was this?

3 years ago.

3 years ago, okay. And why are you here today?

To try to mend things with Sam. We've been friends since 2017. We were pregnant together with our first kids. She's the godmom to my children.

Wow. So y'all were really close?

Really, yeah, really close. Were. We're really close, yeah. After Justin passed away, I was going through grieving and postpartum and I got into addiction. And Sam was there for the first, you know, 6 to 8 months. And then I guess instead of like trying to help me, she just like packed up and left. And I get that, like she wanted to protect her son and not be around those things. But whenever she, she didn't only just leave, she became my enemy. You know, she was slandering me on Facebook and posting very negative.

So in your mind, you're like, it's one thing if you don't wanna be around me while I'm going through this dark moment.

Yeah.

But it's another thing to go out in the world and start talking negatively about me.

Well, and out of everybody, it hurt the most from her because like—

Yeah, of course. This is supposed to be your best friend. Yeah.

Sorry.

No, I understand. Here you go, love. That had to have been devastating.

And so even whenever, so I ended up getting my mom temporary guardianship of my kids, but at first I was fighting it 'cause I wanted to try to, I was trying to get on the right path. And she was, I was going to these court dates alone and she was going with my mom to fight against me.

That had to have been a very hard, hard moment of your life. Understand. My producers say you two got into a Facebook argument and they want me to see the messages. Ty doesn't wanna see your ass and I don't want him seeing it either because you used to have a thing for him and it's not appropriate. If you were my friend, you would respect that.

What she's talking about is Sam got me into doing OnlyFans. Like she's the one that, you know what I'm saying? She got me into doing all that. Well, I would post, certain things only on my story on Facebook to try to get customers. And the thing is, I knew Ty for years before I knew Sam. We were all friends, like we were all hanging out together. Like my kids love him and Sam, like they're supposed to be my kids' godparents. Like, so I wouldn't, and for her to be my best friend, I would never cross over that line. Well, whenever she reached out to me about Ty wanting to take me off Facebook or whatever it was, I said, "Okay, that's fine, like, okay." And she like started getting upset about it, like acting like I had a problem with it. I'm like, "If he doesn't wanna see what I'm posting, that's fine." So she thinks there's something going on between you and her fiancé? Yeah, yeah.

You have sat there, and the reason I don't trust you with my man, because not only have you already sent him nudes and you had a crush on him from the beginning, but you have constantly talked about him even after we're done being friends. You keep bringing him up about how if you wanted him, you could have had him and he would have never got with me. Or how you used to like him first. And how apparently, you used to tell everybody that y'all slept together. You also tried to hook up with my ex when we were together. You also tried to buy him things so he would sleep with you. And then on top of that, you helped him cheat on me by hiding his Tinder from me and tried to tell me it was yours. So why would I trust you?

Well, the first part of all that about the Thai stuff is none of that's true whatsoever. And I've never—

You helped him hide a Tinder profile?

He's talking about the father to her children. And at the time, I still, yeah, I still had feelings for him. I was still upset about that breakup.

And you would try to break us up.

So I'm glad I got this information because it sounds like this past relationship has bled into this new relationship.

Absolutely.

Because everything you're saying is not about her your current fiancé, her relationship with your current fiancé is about the past. But because of the past, you feel like it could be going on again.

Exactly, especially because she has already said, even the night that me and him met, it was the night that we met that she was sending him nudes after he hit on me first. And once he saw what she was sending, the nudes and everything, he didn't wanna touch her. I mean, that's the reality of it.

How do you describe the friendship before you two fell out?

We were actually really close. After our pregnancy, we got really, really close. Things were good. It was the minute I moved in with her that things kind of took a turn. And especially once I started hooking up with Ty under her roof, oh yeah, things just took a turn for the worse. You know, I mean, she would walk around, for someone who didn't like him, she would walk around the house half naked while he's there and not care. And as a friend, that's disrespectful. If you know that I'm hooking up with him and you know I have feelings for him, You should never be walking around the house half naked in front of anyone's man. I would never do that to your husband and I never did that. I respected your relationship.

First of all, it was my house.

It don't matter.

It's my house.

It was your mom's house.

You didn't pay anything to live there.

You're a mom's house.

Yes, I did.

I paid the utilities.

Okay, but it was your mom's house.

It wasn't your house. It was my family house. It's not the point here. And walking around half dressed, that's— I wear booty shorts all the time.

You don't do that in front of your friend's man. If we're family like you said you are, it don't matter.

We weren't even together yet. Yeah, y'all were hooking up and you didn't—

And I had feelings and you knew that.

And I knew too.

Yes, I did.

And you too knew it.

What does Ty say about her?

He don't, well, he was fine with her at first, but then he was seeing some shady shit. He was seeing her doing too much. He was embarrassed to be out in public with her.

Do you believe him?

I want to because I wanna trust him, but at the same time, like, he was a part of the whole sending nudes back and forth. And with everybody sitting there saying that she said they hooked up, I need to know.

I wanna know. Did he ever tell you they hooked up?

He said that they didn't, but I have trust issues with both my relationship and her.

Did you actually go to court against Lacey?

I went with her mom because her mom asked me to.

And did you actually say things that could help?

No, I never got the chance because had I done that, I would've tried to—

Not no, but no, I didn't get the chance.

I didn't get the chance. They didn't let me speak 'cause I—

But so if you got the chance to speak, you would have?

Yeah, I was trying to protect her kids.

From her.

She wasn't protecting him. I'm saying you put my son in a worse situation by bringing drug addicts and drugs around my kid.

Okay, whenever you and Ty first started hooking up and he was coming to my house, we were all going out to the bar together and doing ecstasy together. So you can't even, before I started getting more solid drugs.

It's the same thing. You were doing meth with my kid in the house.

Ecstasy is the same thing as meth.

I let you watch my son, but my son was never there. So don't blame me for that.

But I wasn't.

No, no, no.

But I wasn't doing drugs when you came back and talked to me.

Do not blame you going back into your addiction on me.

I'm not blaming it on you, but you did drugs with me too. So how can you sit here and say all these things?

But you're an adult, you can say no, right?

I was at a very vulnerable point in my life and I was doing whatever.

I was going through a breakup of my family.

I understand that. He was still on there.

I feel like Lacey has been through a lot, like her husband dying, addiction.

Absolutely, but so has everybody else and nobody uses those as excuses. Excuses to be a person.

I understand that.

I wanna see what Ty has to say about all this. So everyone, please welcome Ty to the show. Hey Ty, how are you doing? Thank you for being here. Thanks for having me. Good. So how are you feeling about everything that was said? Oh, it's jumbled up pieces that need fixing, I think. Got it. 'Cause there's a lot of he said, she said between both of them that It's just at this point, just a made up story. So what is your relationship with Lacey? I've known her for a while. I went to high school with her husband, which I knew him really well. I didn't know Lacey really well. It was kind of just me and him. We never hung out. We never really talked. I don't know where the snapping and all these sending nudes back and forth came from because that's never happened. So you're saying that didn't happen at all? But what reason would she have to lie about that?

Because she's a narcissist.

Narcissist, yeah. Okay, I understand that could be your opinion, but for me, an outside perspective, I don't see her benefiting at all, especially on this stage, lying about sending nudes back and forth. There would be nothing to benefit from for that. It sounds more like you would have something to benefit by denying it. I have not sent nudes. Nudes to Lacey at all. Okay.

And—

Okay, did you receive her nudes? I may have received a couple of her nudes, but there was no response. Okay, got it. But no response? 'Cause I'm sorry, but she's not my type. If you send me nudes, I'm just gonna ignore it and— Got it.

I mean, the only way we could really know is if we unlock his phone though, right? 'Cause I would like to see, you know, what really happened.

Okay. Do you think that Sam is overreacting? A little bit. I feel like she thinks something's up between me and Lacey, but I've told her there's nothing going on between me and Lacey. Is that why you're sort of denying this, sort of just to confirm to her and like make sure she knows like nothing went on? Yeah, exactly.

I would never cross that boundary. The minute that they got together.

You never crossed that boundary that you slept with your husband's best friend after he died?

Okay, why are we, that has nothing to do with that.

But that's the thing, you wanna sit there and say that you don't cross boundaries like that, but you slept with your, his husband's best friend after he died.

That has nothing to do with what's going on here.

It doesn't matter.

You say you don't cross boundaries. You cross boundaries all the time.

Me and my husband were in an open relationship where we had threesomes and things. So he knew about that. So this has nothing to do, that has nothing to do with what we're talking about.

Sam, you wanna know Ty has been messaging Lacey on social media apps. Ty says he's not. My Unlock the Phone investigators searched his apps and found that Ty Is telling the truth. Sam, you wanna know if Ty has been texting Lacey. Ty says he has not. My unlock the phone investigator searched his texts and found that Ty is telling the truth. Sam, you wanna know if Ty has been calling Lacey recently. Ty says he has not. My unlock the phone investigator searched his calls and found that Ty He's again telling the truth.

I said there was nothing. I told you, I told you that there was nothing going on between us.

But it still don't mean I don't trust you. You're a snake.

Oh, I'm a snake?

You're a snake.

What have I done to you to become a snake, Sam?

After we stopped being friends, I stayed off of social media and talking shit for a while because I honestly was like, you know what, let's see if we can rekindle this relationship.

They're not talking at all. My question for you is Lacey, what is there for you to hold on this relationship?

I was hoping to mend things, honestly.

On this stage, I have not seen her have, Sam, you have any respect or empathy for her?

No, not anymore. I had it for so many years that I'm over it.

I get it. And you're valid for those feelings. That wasn't an indictment saying you're a bad person. What I'm just noticing here is that there is nothing to hold on here. And it feels, it's sad because I can tell you generally want, it's a friendship. You wanted something. What I need you to do, here you go, love. I need you to be with me real quick.

I was hoping to mend things and like reassure her that I don't want Ty. That was in the past. Like I thought we were all past that.

I need you to be here with me real quick. You've been through a tumultuous couple of years. So I want you to think about all the things and I want everyone, we're gonna all put our empathy Put our empathy hats on right now. 26, and I've been through losing my husband, the father of my children, through addiction issues. My kids have had to come outta my house. We've been in court where friends have betrayed me. You've been through a lot. You've been through a lot.

My thing as of now is like the little argument that we had in December. Like I was trying to reassure her that like, Listen, I saw your growth.

I saw the way that you on this stage could have responded to every low blow.

The thing with the Facebook stuff, like when she found out that I was getting a house and stuff.

But it doesn't matter. Listen, listen, listen.

Instead of just being happy for me that I was sober.

This is why I need you to be here. This is why I need you to be here. Because when we go through things, sometimes the rest of the world is not ready to see our growth and not ready to see where we're at. And it can feel hurtful because the people that are closest to us, we want them to see like, I'm better now. We wanna convince them like, I'm not doing that, I'm trying, I'm different. Trust me now. And that's something that happens when it's like, I've been through a place, a dark spot, and I want people to see that now I'm trying to live in the sunshine, I'm trying to be better, but that's not your job. And so what I need to do on this stage is I need to release you from that pressure. You just have to be on a journey to continue to be the best you for yourself and for those kids. Let your actions, let your actions be how you fight back. Let your actions be how you fight back. Let them see you win. Let them see you grow. Let them see everything that's great coming to your life and let that be how you respond to these other girls that are haters. Let that be the response. It's time for you to start the grieving process of this friendship. I know it's hard. I know it's gonna be hard. I know it's gonna be hard, but this friendship has run its course. It's gonna help us both, you know? It'll improve us.

It's gonna help everybody.

It'll help everybody out. But remember this, even though you're grieving this, Even though you're grieving this relationship, it does not mean you're alone. Lacey, do you hear me? Even though you're grieving this relationship, it does not mean you're alone. Because I know that's what's going to trigger you. The minute that you're not focused on this, you can see clearly more about the people who are gonna come in your life and who are gonna love you and support you. It's hard to hear, but if you're looking for my advice, Trust me, that's what's going to help you to get to that next level. All right? You hear me? I wish you the best of luck, sincerely. OK? I wish all of you the best of luck.

I planned a birthday trip for my birthday this year. And unfortunately, my sister Precious and Chara helped scam me. Precious basically convinced me to go through someone that she knew, this guy that does half-off deals. And I really didn't need her help. I let her know in advance that I had it all planned out. She convinced me to go by this person that she knew, and eventually this person ended up jacking me on the day of my birthday. Precious actually told me that she had previously used this guy in the past, and Chara actually informed me that she would be placing an order soon after mine. What can go wrong? I mean, just my luck. Things went downhill from there. They actually locked me out of my room with everything in it, all my important information. I had no other choice but to call the guy that my sister referred me to. He explained that everything would be fixed. It went worse. The resort, got kicked out the room. The SeaWorld tickets were canceled. Legoland, canceled. At the end of the day, I lost over $1,000. And I think my sisters basically got money out of the deal because of how hard they pushed me to mess with him. With the guy. Still to this day, they're still promoting this guy. I need them to take a lie detector test today. 100% facts, they jacked me off.

Her sisters both took a lie detector test and we will reveal the truth later in the show. But let's start with Precious and hear her side of the story. So Precious, welcome to the show.

Thank you so much.

First of all, you look beautiful.

Thank you, you too.

So why did you call the show?

I called the show to get some resolution. It's been downhill since this trip happened and I just want the truth to finally like—

And when is this trip? Was it early this year, last year?

The trip was around February and her birthday, like around her birthday time and that's when it all started.

So it's been about 8 months, 9 months of like confusion in your family.

Yes, a lot of confusion, a lot of social media posts, a lot of havoc, a lot of just—

So let me just ask you straight up, did you scam your sister?

Absolutely not.

Okay then. Do you know the guy who booked her trip?

So I don't personally know him. I went through him off of Facebook. I was referred to him and I did refer her to him because it's always good business.

So why does she think you set up then to be scammed?

I really think she hating on me.

Oh, that's what you think?

Okay. I really think she just wanna find some conflict just so we could just have reason to be into it because I don't play like that.

Got it. So tell me from your point of view what happened.

Around February, she called me. Like, she picked up the phone and called me because how would I know, you know, she going on her trip?

I mean, that's crucial information because it wasn't like if you're trying to scam, you'd be like trying to get money.

I'm gonna reach out to her. Yeah.

That's crucial information. Okay.

She called me telling me, you know, I'm going to see where I'm going to San Antonio. Basically, she needs some help. Paying the expenses. When she reached out to me, it was just like, "Hun, go through 'em." It wasn't no pressure on it. Like I said, I don't get no half off, no points for it. If you go through 'em, good. If you don't, good. Initially, she said she wasn't gonna go through 'em, so it was still like, "Okay." Great.

"Okay." Yeah, we paid. Yeah, yeah.

"Don't go through 'em." Yeah. So, she went through 'em. Everything was good at first because I think she ordered something from him at first, like a washer and a dryer, and it went through. But I think she— sent him the wrong address, which that's her fault because he don't know where she live at. And then after that, it just went from downhill. Like when she arrived at the room, she had to pay a resort fee, which you gotta pay that regardless. If you take trips, you know that. So she had to pay like $140, $150, whatever. So I don't know if she including that in the total that she got scammed in, but that's what you just have to pay.

Karamo, let me back up though, because it's very interesting that like, She did an order for a washer and dryer.

Yes.

That has nothing to do with you. She decided to call and get the half price off the washer and dryer.

From the same dude. Yeah, I know.

And then, so that one she don't think you scammed her out of, but the trip she thinks you scammed her out of.

Well, I think she just adding it all together. I think really she trying to scam a scammer, however it is. I don't really know.

Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. So do you want a relationship with her?

Of course I do. I wouldn't be here if I didn't.

Of course.

Of course I do. I know it's gonna take some time because of all that has transpired, but I mean, I'm family-oriented. I love my people. I love my family.

Of course.

Yeah, I know that. I can see that in you.

Yeah.

So you took a lie detector test to prove you didn't do anything.

Zero.

With scamming your sister. Yes. Is there any way you'll fail that? I gotta ask you.

No.

Not a single way?

No.

Okay, zero. All right then. Well, listen everyone, let's meet your sister Charlie and hear what she has to say about all this. So everyone, welcome Charlie to the show. Hey, Charlie, how you doing?

Hello.

You look great, by the way.

I appreciate it. You look good yourself.

So why do you think your sister scammed you?

That's a good question. I still don't know why you would have ever tried to scam me. But it basically happened a couple of days before my birthday. We always talk on the phone, first of all. So it's nothing about me just calling her up and— hollering about a birthday trip. That's never how it happened. We talk on the phone 24/7, and that's one thing she knows. I was so excited about this trip that I had planned for a minute now. This is my first time. I'm normally last minute, like she claims, with everything I do. So I actually had everything mapped out this time. So I'm calling my sister out of confidence because this is my sister, and I'm excited about the moment. It's her 3rd birthday trip.

Oh, okay.

For my boyfriend, his birthday is February 3rd.

Okay.

My birthday is February 4th. And our child's birthday is February 5th.

Oh, wow. So this was bigger for you because it was your child's birthday.

It's big for me because it's a 3-birthday plan. I had everything planned out from the T. I even had a travel agent that my sister knew about. So I'm not sure— No, no, no, no. Wait a minute. It's my time.

Go ahead.

I'mma let you take the floor. And I have messages to basically prove that I told this same travel agent that my sister has somebody that she knew that was basically gonna give me a discount. And I would see how that went. I stopped that travelation because my sister persisted. That I messed with this dude that she knows that I never knew. So I'm not sure where she's going about me needing her. It never got there.

From what she said, she said she didn't persist. It was like you was in your ear.

It was mostly, she was in my ear beating me hard. Why would I be in your ear? It's my dog. You talked already. I'm talking to you. You done had your chance. No, no, no. You tried just a couple of seconds ago.

I'm gonna let you have it.

You ain't got no choice but to listen. I do have a choice.

Let me talk.

No, you know it. It's my goal. Go ahead. It's my goal. I'm gonna let you finally get it in. As you should. Go ahead. Anyway.

Go ahead.

You needed the help. I never needed help. You needed the help. Baby, you was delusional. You've been delusional. You've been delusional. Do I look like I need help? Yeah. Stop playing with me.

Yeah. When you was backstage, you was getting mad. What was going on?

Because she's just lying about a lot of stuff. I never called for her help. So I just got a question. Can I talk to him? You been talking the whole time. Baby, I just came out. I just came out. You put a muzzle in yours.

Did y'all have a good relationship? Explanation for this? Because it seems like right now I can see how strange it is.

It's always been a jealousy rage between me and my sister. Who was the jealous one? You. Why would I be jealous? I got more money than you, my house bigger, I drive a Bentley. You don't even have your own name on your house. You thought that. You got a CPN. Never had that, never had that. You got a thousand.

The jealousy your entire life.

But why would I be jealous? I'm the big sister. I love my people. I have over 20-something siblings.

You know it.

You shut up so I can talk to him. I'm the real bitch. You hit it and be correct. You definitely bigger than me. Anyway, anyway, she got a lot of BDs, y'all. She can't stop lying.

You said a lot of BDs?

A lot of BDs. She won't stop. I'm sick of it.

I can't wait.

You said she got a lot of BDs. I ain't never heard that in my life.

It's a sickness. It's a sickness. It's the delusion in your brain to ever think that I would play on you. I can't even take that serious. I can't take— you serious. I can't take it serious. You look like a clown. No, you look like a big one. You look like a clown. Sister Char, we had to get her in there. Can Char come out here? Everyone, listen to Char for this. Let's go. We got her. We finally got her. She's the one that did it. Anyway, anyway. Get off the stage. We're on the stage. Yeah. Anyway. Look at these.

Anyway.

Excellent.

So Char, let me ask you this. First of all, welcome. Thank you for being here. Did you profit from your sister booking her trip?

No, I didn't profit from the trip. I don't know the man. I just, he do great business.

So how much you promote him if he don't know you?

Let her get her chance. He does great business. You the only one. Shut up. You done talked the whole time. Anyway. I'm tired too. No, I'm tired of you.

Hold on, hold on.

Do they always argue like this?

No. No. He does great business. Everybody that I've sent him to, he's done great business. If this is with him, you're the only one that has a problem. I feel like that you're delusional. If I'm the only one that it went wrong with, why can I get corrected? Why would mine get corrected? Corrected about what? Why can I get money back? He didn't send me all the money that I paid him. He only sent me money for the room that I was locked out of. And I said that repeated times, so I'm trying to see if everybody else it goes right for, I'm the only person that it goes wrong at.

Why can't I get paid?

Why can't I get reimbursed? That's what I'm trying to see. Why are you the only one there? That's what I'm trying to ask y'all. That's why we here today. What's the amount you feel like he owe you, Charlie? What do you— I've lost over $1,000. I got it in a calculator. When I told my sister how much I lost, she said, "Let's be real now, Charlie." He ain't gonna pay you all that. Let's be real. If I'm telling you this is what I took an L on, why wouldn't he reimburse me? Okay, let's just say he can only reimburse me for the amount of money that I paid him. He didn't even do it. He didn't even do that. Okay, my sister claimed he would, but I didn't get that. I'm just saying, God, did you claim that he would reimburse her? He gave her back the money that she got for the hotel. For the hotel? I don't know about nothing else, girl. You don't? You said you got screenshots of everything. Like, they got screenshots with this long? I ain't reading it. Let's talk about the phone. I ain't reading it. You didn't even screenshot it. I'm not reading that. I have a Galaxy. It's like a Galaxy and I got an iPhone. I'm not reading that green mess. Uh-uh. She can't understand it. She read everything and she responded. She looked at the paragraph and she said blah, blah, blah. And she responds to everything.

So, so how do you feel about being accused?

I'm hurt.

I'm mad.

I'm upset. I'm trying to see how y'all more hurt than me. I'm confused. You is the hurt. Because you're our sister. It's a million people that get over all this. Why would we choose you to get over it? This ain't my sister's first time blowing nobody down on Facebook. She did all that. Daddy, she did every baby daddy she had, she did every best friend she had. This ain't our first, or her first time getting into it with people she love. So I'm trying to see what she—

I wanna ask you a question, Charlie. Do you want a relationship with her again? With Charlie again?

To clear my name, I do want a relationship if we can get past it because honestly, we did not scam you. We did not get no— We didn't get no baby daddy before the test come. And we can test— I said it before, I said it came already.

Do you think she's jealous of the relationship between you and Precious?

I think she's jealous. We travel, we have family occasions, we're very, very close. I feel like she wants that relationship as well, which we're willing to give you that relationship. If I wanted to keep us all down, I'm comfortable when I'm around somebody. She's boring, like she stays in the house. Why do you feel uncomfortable? Well, not you, 'cause you ain't never did nothing wrong. I think I make her uncomfortable because the personality's so big. I know what I'm saying. It's not because of the personality. You know, it's all reflected with me. It's when your insecurity yourself and you reflect your insecurity to the other. So you wanna make somebody feel lower than you.

Karamo, let me ask you this. Is there any way that you'll fail the lie detector test?

Absolutely not.

Absolutely not.

Zero.

Okay.

Well, listen, I'll say this. I think it's time. To unlock the truth. Chara, this is for you. All right, the first question is, did you ever receive any money from the man who booked your sister Charlie's trip? You said no. The truth is Chara is telling the truth.

What? What? Come on, man, to be real, you know that I already know. I told you this already.

Come on, we gotta keep going. This is still Chara. Did you knowingly set your sister Charlie up with someone who scammed other people out of money? You said no. The truth is Chara is telling the truth.

Okay, thank you. And I told you that I was not sharing. This is the big one.

Did you receive any compensation including money, gifts, or discounts from the person who booked your sister's trip? You said no. The truth is Chara is telling the truth.

Let's go. That's what I'm saying. I never had an issue. I told you what my issue was.

You did.

You made that up. You made that up.

Well, Precious, here we go. All right, Precious. Question 1, we asked you, did you ever receive money from the man who booked your sister Charlie's trip? You said no. The truth is, Precious is telling the truth as well.

Okay, please! Thank you! Thank you! Oh my gosh!

Question 2, did you knowingly set your sister Charlie up with someone who scams other people out of their money? You said no. The truth is—

Let's hear it.

Let's hear it. Precious is telling the truth.

No, no, delusional. No, it never get delusional.

Delusional.

It never get delusional.

All right, third question. Third one. Did you receive any compensation including money, gifts, or discounts from the person who booked your sister's trip? Precious, you said no. And the truth is— The truth is what?

Can't beat that.

Precious is telling the truth.

Okay, come on now, come on now, y'all do it though. Wow. It's your house. You found it.

I'm gonna tell y'all this. This man gave y'all the discount on these trips or whatever, but y'all need to stop discounting each other's feelings. And that's the core of this. That is the core of this. Y'all gotta stop discounting each other's feelings because even now, y'all start to fight, y'all start to fight, and y'all discount each other's feelings. And then what y'all do is y'all get into a pattern defending. When you discount, you defend. And the defense is what's causing y'all to argue.

I do have a question. I just want y'all to see my side of the story. This is me in this situation.

Now, remember what I just said. Whatever she says, don't defend. Just hear, because defending, you're a discounter. So say your piece.

I know I just got checked. I done told my sisters this outta confidence already, so we already have an understood establishment of what I expressed to them on how I feel. Me coming and still seeing that they are successful I'm still supporting the same dude that I just said that I was jacked. Of course I have grounds to be hurt. I'm gonna be hurt.

Period.

'Cause I want the business.

No, I'm not angry.

So guess what, Char, you just did? You just did what I told you not to do. You defended. You defended.

Correct.

And when you defended, you discounted her feelings and she started to argue back. 'Cause in this moment, let me tell you what she just, I heard what you said. You said in this moment I got jacked and all this, why y'all still defending him? Correct. And all I want y'all to do is family. I heard her.

I understood her and I'm receiving it, but—

Nope. But it's defending. Nope, nope. They already said it.

Nope, everybody got it.

Look, everybody got it.

But what we can do from now is just move forward. That's all I was gonna say.

I understand. But it's not about the moving forward. Without defending, you say, I heard you and then damn, you right. Damn, you right.

Okay, you right.

You right.

You right, but I was right on the block too.

I'm telling y'all, if y'all can learn this lesson, for all of y'all. And it's gonna be a hard lesson 'cause y'all been in a pattern for years of always defending, defending, defending, defending. And that defense has caused y'all to get into these issues where y'all are just not hearing each other. Y'all are discounting each other. If y'all can change that, y'all can have the best sister relationship. But I'm telling you, just like that, this is a simple one. This man scammed me, I'm so pissed. Don't be defending this man. It's like, yeah girl, I'm gonna stop defending him. That's it. And that's what you would've wanted a long time ago.

[Speaker] I mean, just keep it real the same way I'm keeping it real with you. If somebody do something to you, I'm gonna make sure I get that right at the end of the day. And if they did something to you, I'm never gonna fool with them again because what's the reason?

[Speaker] I get it. And it's not that you're different because I do believe that your sisters have the same morality. I can hear how you've been talking, hearing how you say you cussed them out, hearing how you called them immediately to get that $345 back. I know they have the same morality, so I know that. Because if you didn't, you would've been like, girl, it's your problem, I'm not calling him about the days. You would've just did nothing. But I get it. But when y'all still continue the conversation defending these small moments, like I said, y'all discount each other. And so if I can give y'all anything else, you have the truth now. Your sisters had no money, they didn't benefit from this, they didn't get anything. Hopefully that gives you some comfort of knowing your sisters are—

Which I do feel better knowing the truth now. But I feel like this just could've been easily avoided had y'all just stopped promoting dudes.

That's it.

Switch it up. If you stop defending and discounting me.

Well, yeah.

Start using the language what it is. 'Cause if y'all can start using that language as sisters, I promise y'all, you're gonna have growth in your relationship. It's no more about this dude. It's discounting and defending. I wish y'all the best of luck. Y'all are a lot of fun outside of this. Outside of this, y'all type of people I wanna go hang out with. I just wanna let y'all know that right now.

Let's do it.

Okay, let's do it.

I've been best friends with Erica for over 10 years. 3 years ago, there was an incident. I sold swimwear for men and women, so it's swim trunks, it's cover-ups. She was helping me move from one storage unit to a different storage unit. The next day, I realized I couldn't find my inventory. It wasn't where it was supposed to be. And her and I were the last ones with this inventory.

Pieces.

So the next day I called her asking her, has she seen it? You know, does she know where we may have placed it? And just her reaction from that was negative. She came at me totally disrespectful, saying it wasn't her style, she would never wear it. After the incident happened, we didn't talk for a while. I couldn't trust her as a friend. I was confused about the entire situation. I did miss my friend. I forgave my friend.

I forgave her.

Um, we moved on from that situation. I was happy to be a part of her bridal party, you know, the wedding, the new journey. Yet it did rehash Valentine's Day. My boyfriend and I at the time started arguing And then Erica jumped in our argument. She decides to insert herself and take his side. I was super angry. I have not spoken to her since Valentine's night. I feel lost about the entire situation. I do want my friend back, but I want the truth also.

So I got to ask you point blank, did you steal from your friend?

I would never steal from any of my friends.

OK.

In my character to do any of that, especially when I went out of my way to offer help to help her move without even asking for anything in return with my truck and my gas and my time. And when she says inventory, let me explain something to you. It was a tiny wastebasket.

Okay. So it wasn't like a very large—

It was a little hamper that's impractical enough to even hold clothes. Okay. Okay? I leave, the hamper behind. I forgot to go back and check. That is my responsibility as far as offering help to her and then not being on top of it. I'll take blame for that. As far as when it comes to not checking on your own belongings at your own storage unit and doing a last inspection, she needs to take responsibility for that.

There's a good—

So we're both, you know, technically—

So what did you do when she accused you?

I was really taken aback by that and I was more hurt that not for her stuff missing, but that my character is now in question. So I took it upon myself to contact the police of that city and I filed a police report. I filed a police report so they could obtain the footage.

So you're being the one accused.

I'm being the one accused.

But you still went to the police.

But I want my name cleared. So I involved the police and they said that because it's her unit and it's her belongings, she needs to contact them. And be on top of it to obtain that footage. I gave her the case number and everything after I filed it. She got in contact with the officer. Did she stay in contact? No, because she didn't care about clearing my name. When I asked her about why, she goes, "Well, at that point my stuff was already gone." Okay, but my name and my character is still in question here. So are we gonna leave that unspoken of?

Yeah. And you two made up after this incident?

Yes.

So what happened at the wedding?

Ooh, so we make up We make up because I'm getting married, I'm pregnant, I'm having a baby, and I want her to be a part of the wedding. My wedding colors, as you can see, were Tiffany blue. Last minute before I decide to go down the aisle, Jaz, I'm gonna sit with my date. The date who came dressed like Rick Ross, like he had on sunglasses the whole time. He was more dressed up than I was and it was my own wedding. So, obviously—

So she didn't stand next to you?

Didn't stand next to me at the wedding. Last minute.

Okay.

So, and then I had to hear it from a bunch of family and friends afterwards. Hey, what was that about? Hey, what was that about? And it was so embarrassing to have to make excuses for her because here's the thing, here I am, my own wedding and I'm putting her feelings first. I'm saying, okay, maybe she's got stage fright as opposed to how I should feel. I always put her first.

So what happened on Valentine's Day?

So Valentine's Day, well Valentine's night, I met up with her and her boyfriend and they got into an argument. Things were escalating and it was not going very well. And so I decided to intervene to make sure nobody goes to jail. I did not want anything bad to happen to any of them. So I intervened and as soon as I'm trying to calm both of them down and say, hey, you guys need to come on now, let's stop it. She cuts me off and basically says, shut up. Don't think I know how fake you are just as much as he is. You stole from me and I'll never forget that. And I was like, what? We've all been drinking, so I'm thinking, okay, maybe she's just angry. But to have the past thrown back in my face like all my effort is for nothing, it's like, here I am calling the police and filing the report to get you the footage. Here I am making every attempt to clear my own name and show you that I'm not even capable of doing something like that to the people I care about.

How do I feel about what she's saying?

Yeah.

Flawless.

Have you heard it backstage?

Absolutely. She's just the type of person, she is very manipulative, okay? Don't say you're my friend and you're talking about how tacky my inventory is.

I got called a thief and I don't have the right to say your stuff is tacky?

But you have the right to call me a thief?

No.

Why do you think she stole your inventory?

I do believe that it was good inventory that she saw there to sell. She does this on the side. It's her hobby to sell things, used, new. I could see her doing it. And even after that incident, I looked online to see if my stuff was being sold 'cause I didn't think it would be.

And did you see any of your stuff being sold?

I didn't.

You did not?

I did not.

Okay then. Why didn't you follow up with the police?

Thank you.

I didn't follow up with the police because the storage unit already didn't have it, the camera footage of where, there was no angle where we were.

That's not true. That's not true. They did have footage.

Yes, they did.

But you had to be the one who'd obtain it 'cause I wasn't a customer with them. They couldn't release it to me. They had to be to you.

And I followed up with the storage unit.

That's why you had to be the one following up.

And I followed up with the storage unit.

And they said they didn't have footage?

No, they had no footage.

Well, when we left off—

They have cameras. They have cameras.

In the elevator, and that was it. There was nothing of the exit way where we were moving the things.

There was cameras.

So this is my thing. You both said you squashed it as soon as point. Why bring it back up?

Well, it was squashed yet rehashed during this Valentine's evening because how she just again wasn't being a friend and taking this guy's side, which is my ex-boyfriend now.

I wasn't taking any sides. I was trying to prevent you guys from going to jail. Someone was gonna call the cops. I had to intervene. You're my friend and I don't wanna see anyone go to jail.

Every time you come to me regarding your husband or something like that, I don't intervene.

What's that gotta do with this?

Because you intervened in my relationship.

Because I didn't want you to go to jail? I'm looking out for you?

God forbid.

Erica, it's how you did it.

You always say you're helping, but you come off slick, you come off sly.

How do you think she was helping that night? Tell me from your opinion.

She wasn't helping that night.

We were drinking, I'm not gonna argue.

We all were drinking.

Okay.

And she just was adding fuel to the fire trying to get us to fight.

But I wasn't the one fighting my significant other in public.

Girl, but you always fight your husband. Your husband, your husband.

That's got nothing to do with this. I was looking out for you that night. And do I fight with him in front of you? No, that's not your business. What happens in my home is in my home. Y'all were doing it in public.

When she asked you to be her bridesmaid, why did you say yes if there was all this underlying issues?

I said yes because she's still someone that I care about. I still have some type of memories that we have together. And I love love. I wanted to be a part of the wedding and I know that she doesn't have many friends, so I came to her shotgun wedding. I did.

That's by choice, honey. Because there are people like you that are like this.

We already pre-planned this. Yes, we are the free ladies.

If you're gonna commit to go, why not stand up though?

Thank you.

Because first of all, it was a shotgun wedding. There was no rehearsal, there was no, there was 7 months of planning.

7 months of planning, that's not shotgun.

She didn't ask me, that's what I'm telling you.

You had on the dress, girl. I know she asked.

She did not say come stand here. There was nothing planned and I was there early. I'm telling you, there was nobody there.

So you've never been to a wedding where they say, okay, this is the bridal party, This is the groom's party.

That didn't happen at her wedding. That's what I'm telling you. There was nothing professional about the wedding, literally.

Do you want your friendship to work?

You know what, I did, but it's like the type of person she is, I see it's probably gonna be back and forth.

Then why bother writing into the show to fix our friendship?

Because you know I did.

No, no.

I did.

No.

I did.

Then why write into me?

Because I did want to fix it, but once she came on here still hostile about bringing up that whole thing.

I'm taking your man's side? I don't even like him, he's a SoundCloud rapper. I've been told you to leave him.

I've been told you to leave him for so long. You see how she wants to keep you on the vlog, but if I go on her page, I'm not gonna do that.

But when I hear stuff like that, you're gonna see her and expect me to take that?

I'm not gonna talk about what her husband does to her and what he does outside.

Behind closed doors.

No, it's not on closed doors because as you said, there are, right? Regarding your husband?

That's why we're here.

Oh, okay.

That's why we're here.

So you don't wanna go there.

Come on.

So it's sad because I actually think there was love here. I think that watching your video that you're regretful for how things went down. But I think that once you got out here, you went back into defense mode instead of being vulnerable and talking about it again.

Because I hear her talking down again about my immature, if we're trying to move past it, why do you keep trying to talk down on me. You're not gonna talk down on me.

You're not gonna give a shit inventory. It's telling all of the nation about my marital problems.

Girl, you started it.

You started this.

My marital problems got nothing to do with your cheap trying to fuck with me.

Why come then? Thank you, bye.

Why write into the show if you're gonna be a fake-ass bitch?

Nobody's being fake.

She deserves an apology from you for how you've been jabbing her over and over again. She does. She deserves an apology from you. You think so? I know so, I know so. I wouldn't make you give an apology if I didn't believe it because her character has been assassinated.

Okay.

You called her a thief. If my friends call me a thief, we have a problem because let me tell you something, that's a big accusation.

It is.

And if you really want this friendship to work like you did in that video, you gotta be able to acknowledge that that started off a range of actions that messed y'all up and you gotta be able to apologize for that.

I could.

Good, that's good. 'Cause lemme just tell you something, if you would've came to my wedding and sat your ass down.

Again, there was 5 people there total. It was a small wedding. That's all I'm saying.

See, you throwing the jab. Hold on, throwing the jab. See, this is throwing the jab.

Because no, she's making it seem like I didn't wanna stand next to her. Of course I would.

You're throwing the jab. You're throwing the jab. You're throwing the jab.

I was still hurt at that time.

I know you're still hurt. I was, yeah. But because you're still hurt, like I just said, you're hurt, you're overwhelmed, you're throwing these jabs. I'm gonna go talk to Erica, see if she'll come back out. I can see both sides of how things have happened. I can see how calling you a thief, doing these things have affected you. And I also even saw like talking about your husband.

Attacking my marriage when it has nothing to do with this.

Agree, I'm here, I'm here.

That's airing out dirty laundry. Exactly. Exactly. So that to me is a low blow and that's kind of unforgivable at this point. That hurt more than being called a thief.

I get it, I get it, I get it. She's willing to apologize.

No, I don't even wanna hear it. I swear to God, I don't even wanna hear it.

You don't wanna hear it? So she's looking right there. You can say goodbye. I'm done with the friendship.

Jazz, I love you, but this isn't healthy.

This is toxic.

She's told you that already. Oh my gosh.

Too much.

Erica, come here.

No, which way?

I don't want to see her.

I know, I don't want to talk.

I don't want to talk.

I don't want to talk.

Stop.

No, I really don't want to talk, Jasmine.

Okay, we don't have to talk. Just give me a hug. Okay, I'm sorry. I'm taking responsibility on my part. We both were there at the store.

I just wish you would've obtained the footage. Like, that is literally it.

You know we went back to the store I went to the storage unit for footage. I didn't go to the police report. I didn't go file a report.

But that's all irrelevant at this point.

That's all irrelevant at this point. Like this was supposed to be—

What do you wanna apologize to her for? Be clear about it.

I know it was my storage unit. It was my inventory. I should've been double checking, triple checking before we even left for the night, honestly. And I'm sorry again. I keep throwing this back up in your face. Definitely wanna apologize about your marriage.

That's fine.

Your husband.

That's fine.

I know what you go through and you always supported me. I shouldn't throw that in your face. I shouldn't have.

Got it. Now for you, I know when you're hurt, I've seen it when you're out there. When you're hurt, you do find the shadiness in you. You know it. You go with the little things.

That's possible.

Yes. We know it. I caught it quickly. You understand? I've been around a lot of shady queens. I know how to get a little something in there. Get a little something in there. Okay? And so I know that's in retaliation to when you feel hurt, but what I wanna tell you is that you shouldn't do that because all that does is then it takes down your character. But you two, this friendship I believe is toxic and I wish that I could have been able to figure it out.

It's toxic. It's too toxic at this point.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Unfortunately, I think I could have been helped this out, but once we went to the marriage part, that just took it a turn and that's just the real of it. So I wish y'all the best of luck.

Thank you, Karamo.

Thank you.

I wish you the best of luck as well. Thank you. Yeah. Good luck to y'all both. Y'all can step out there.

Thank you. My sister was, um, got addicted to drugs at a very young age. Then my mother took Chloe in to raise her. Chloe's mom passed away at 47. Chloe and I had a great relationship until it went south over money. She went on Facebook Live and was telling the whole world that she—

what she gonna do.

She called me all kinds of called me all kinds of names, said she was gonna beat me up. I haven't spoke to her since November. The way she talked to me, she had to be hurting.

She's angry at me and I just don't understand why. I just want us to be a family.

Thank you for being here. So I'm hearing a little bit from that tape and I always get distressed when I hear family members falling apart like this. You heard what she had to say backstage. How do you feel?

She's a liar.

I feel like, take responsibility for the things that you've done and ownership. You know, like you do anything legitly for money, that's shady. I don't like no shady shit. Like she's, that's shady. You're my mom's sister. You know what I'm saying? I'm trying to build a relationship with you because my mom is gone. So it's good to have family support. But when you're not being supportive to me, you're taking away from me. That's the issue for me. And you keep constantly doing it to other relatives as well.

Makes sense. What happened with the food stamp card? So I can get clarity on that.

Okay, so I was at her house and I was visiting and she didn't have food at the time or was low on food or what have you not, whatever it was. So I pretty much had given her my food stamp card to get $100 off of the card to get food for her household. For her and her family. And upon coming back, I received the card, but the receipt was gone, et cetera. Make a long story short, I'm checking my card balance for the last couple months and the money was not adding up. So I decided to check the transactions. And the transactions pretty much told it. So I changed the PIN number immediately. I never mentioned it to her. I just kept it as a mental note. Like, okay, you're still on that. You're still a shady person. I still can't deal with that. With you. So that's pretty much what happened with the card.

So to this day, she doesn't know that you have those feelings about her using your card?

She didn't even know that I knew.

Knew, yeah, okay, okay. So what happened with the donations? Because this was a little heartbreaking for me, with your mom's funeral.

So my grandfather specifically asked all of the family and friends not to ask for donations 'cause we didn't need it. She was covered. I was currently incarcerated at the time and she said, she still asked for donations. She said it was for her and her kids to get back home. I felt like the whole only reason why she came to the services is to use the whole sorrow thing as like, oh, it's my sister, I'm gonna help with this and that. You know what I'm saying? So she went up there and said that we needed the donation, the children.

Oh wow.

We didn't receive any of that money. We didn't want it.

How much money did she get, do you know?

We don't know.

Okay, and then what happened with the money with your birthday now?

So my cousin has sent me funds for my birthday. I couldn't receive them on my Apple Pay. So we usually go third party with my aunt. So I had her send it to her and she agreed to send it to me. I didn't think she would keep the funds. She kept them for like a week and then sent them back after she used them, of course.

Like, you know what I'm saying? But still, for you, it's that shady moment of like, you knew I need this. So though you gave it back to me later, it's like you took my money for a week.

You still taking from me.

Got it. I understand. I understand your point of view. I understand your point of view. Thank you. And so you asked for us to do this lie detector test, but the only question you really had was about the food stamp cards, not these other situations. Why?

'Cause we basically, I already know the truth about everything else. And she lies about everything. So if you lie about that, you lie about everything.

Yeah. Did you recently threaten to drive? Oh yeah. To beat? Uh-huh.

Beat her ass.

Got it. Yeah. Y'all saw I was trying to find a polite way to say it.

There's no way, no polite way to say it.

"We driving." We heard her ass, okay? Like, bitch, enough.

What was it over?

The money with my birthday. It was just over everything overall. It was like, how much more would I take from you? I'm grown now, bitch. Try that same shit you tried when I was 13 years old.

Yeah.

Try it now.

Now, yeah, I get it. So that's where I was at with it. My producer said you feel like your aunt paints herself as a victim.

Oh gosh, she's always victimized. She's always the victim. You see, she gives the whole sorrow story. No, bitch, show the real you. Show your real personality. Show these folks who you is, 'cause we know you, you pussy.

We know you.

We know you.

Yeah, I heard that Florida come out a little bit.

For sure.

I heard that Florida, right? That Florida came out. Is she jealous-hearted?

I feel like that. Okay, so it's favoritism. She has her favorite niece who I won't say, but That's who she— that's her pick. That's who she deals with. And that's my cousin. But we don't currently speak. Love her to death, you know what I'm saying? But she does not believe that my aunt is a certain kind of way because she's never saw that. She's heard stories from all of us.

But you see this.

She's never experienced it.

But she's never experienced it.

Yeah. So she's the only one who knew about the food stamp card situation with me and my aunt. We never said nothing to her.

So do you want to cut her out of your life or do you want her in your life?

I don't want to deal with nobody that shady. I'm trying to be— a certain, you know, hold a certain kind of image. I'm trying to live a certain kind of lifestyle. I want to be doing better things than myself.

You're trying to go to that next level that you deserve.

Yes.

I get it.

I hear it. I hear it. I get it. I hear it. I hear it. Well, everyone, we've heard Khloe's side of this story, so I think it's time to meet her aunt Sabrina. Everyone, welcome Sabrina to the show.

You're lying. You're lying.

So you're saying that nothing she said is true? So—

Nothing.

Okay. Tell me from your perspective, what is it that she said?

Okay, as far as the food stamps, She came to my house.

She asked me, she said, "Auntie, do you need any food stamps?" I was like, "No, I really don't need the food stamps.

I'm good." And she was like, "Okay, no, just take 'em. That's for helping me out." Okay.

You need to tell the truth.

No, I am telling the truth.

I offered you the stamps. Yeah, I gave you the stamps. I gave you the $100. And regardless of what—

Can I finish though?

Tell your truth.

No, it was my turn.

Okay, live the truth though. So I am.

So I told her I didn't need the stamps.

She was like, sure.

So me and my friend went to the store.

She gave me $100. That's all I spent.

As far as having her card, where I live, you have the physical card.

I took the lie detector test to prove all what I'm saying is true.

Okay.

You know, and I mean, I know that's my niece and everything and I love her dearly, but she will not sit here on this stage and say these things about me.

'Cause I'm not gonna allow that.

I'm telling the truth. Like, I feel like you, first and foremost, me and my cousin knew. I told her when I started noticing the transactions on my card being, I wasn't using a card, and I had noticing the transactions are like, the money is like getting shorter and shorter. And one month it was like they were almost, almost gone. Who knew?

There was nobody around me that you were doing that. Okay, so I understand.

Well, why didn't you reach out to me and say anything?

I didn't need to. I knew you was shady. No. I knew you were shady bitch.

So I didn't need to come to you, why? I am very established.

You were, no shady. Very shady, very much so. I don't need anything. Very much so shady.

I don't ask nobody for nothing or nothing.

I take care of myself.

Yeah.

You know, and as far as the money from the services, come on, that's my sister.

Did you ask for anything financially after that?

We didn't talk for nothing after that. No, sir.

No, sir.

We didn't talk for 3 years after that.

No, sir. First of all, she wasn't even there.

No, I wasn't. I was incarcerated, but still, I mean, if something happened, I need to talk.

Okay, you wasn't there.

I'm the one reached out. Doesn't matter. My friends tell me what you did.

When did the food stamp situation happen with the card? Is it recent? In November, yes. Okay, so it's recent.

It was recently.

And then with the birthday, was that recently?

Yeah, my birthday was November 12th.

So the birthday was November, these food stamps was recently, and then the money for the funeral was when your mother passed 3 years ago. Got it, okay. What was your relationship like when she was younger?

When his mother passed, when?

Her?

No.

When her mother passed away?

Yeah, what was your relationship like when y'all were younger? Oh, do you feel like she missed you every day?

Shady. No.

When me and her argued, I wish you would've heard her on social media. When I went live and I blurted her out and told the truth about everything, she got under the live and was calling me everything under the sun.

That's a lie. I wish you would've kept it 'cause that's a lie.

I wish I would've too.

I can exactly tell you what I said.

What'd you say?

First of all, I told you you're miserable.

Fire from it.

You're hateful.

Fire from it.

You're just miserable because—

I love me.

I don't think you're comfortable in your own skin.

I'm completely comfortable in my skin.

Okay.

Oh, that next— I'm completely comfortable. You know what? And it's crazy because I accept you how you are.

Okay, so you will be accepting the fact that I'm a female. You will be considering me to be your niece. You will address me appropriately. You don't do that. You don't do that.

How often do I say the—

A lot of the times, you even still call my first name.

That's not true.

My name is legally changed, Karamo.

I know it is.

Uh-huh, like clothing.

Gender marker is your name.

Legally changed, everything.

And I know that. So the times that you, 'cause you've admitted sometimes you slip up.

I do and I don't mean to.

Okay, do you apologize at that moment? Do you try to do the work for it? Because the thing that's questionable to me is that you identify as a lesbian yourself, correct?

Yes.

So you're part of the community.

Absolutely, yes.

So you understand the things that we go through.

Yes.

And you understand the things especially she's going through and the hate that she gets even more than us. Why would you even, after one time or two times, why would it even continue?

I don't know.

I think she just trying to make me look bad.

I'm making you look like who you are.

I'm just like against the LGBT community.

I'm gonna tell you, one of the things for me is I'm very fair and I'm partial. I don't think you're against, but I also believe that sometimes, I'm 43, as we get older, generations need to recognize that maybe there's actions or things that we do that are not appropriate that can also be representative of homophobic or trans things that we learned and we heard that we then use to hurt ourselves.

Okay.

I don't think you're a bad person, but I do think it's a moment of growth. So I will say that. Well, I think what's interesting to me is that we do have one question here that is a main concern, which for you, you said shows her character. It's about the principle of did she take the money from your food stamp card? Sabrina, you said you did not, correct? And you're sticking to that story. And the truth is Sabrina's actually telling the truth. She did.

Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you.

Okay, for one.

For one.

Thank you.

Still shady.

No, 'cause you're a liar.

You be lying. I was wrong for that.

I would never, never take from you.

I will tell you this though, that I thought it was very interesting And the reason that I asked this question and I was tracking this because I was asking about the most recent incidents about the birthday, the funds for your birthday, the food stamps card, the funeral money. This has all happened after your mother and your sister has passed. And also hearing that you were in jail during that time, it feels like you didn't get the proper grief.

I'm still grieving.

Yeah.

Every day is a struggle for me. They know how much my mother meant to me. My mother is my world. So I'm thinking that maybe my aunt would stand up and be there for me. We had conversations. I even went about lately making a whole group chat for me and my family to like get together. We were supposed to get an Airbnb. We were gonna have family time, the immediate family, which fell through because everybody were like—

Why did it fall through?

That's not, I don't even, we're not here for that.

Hold on, I don't wanna point fingers here. What I wanna do is I wanna make sure now before we let you go, 'cause we have this truth where you've been vindicated.

Yes.

Is that I can track behavior and I can track patterns. And like you just said, without even knowing that, I can tell you're still grieving that.

Mm-hmm.

You're still in a space where you lost your biggest supporter.

Biggest.

And what you're looking for now, unconsciously or consciously, as you're creating this safety for yourself and this boundary and the security, is who's gonna be there to support me?

All I have is me, Karamo. I don't have family support. I don't have anyone. They know how hard I've been fighting for my career. I left with nothing. Like I'm literally, it's a struggle. It's not easy, especially the line of work that I do. It's dirty.

Yeah. I understand where your head is turning because in your mind you're like, well, I've tried to give you support. I've tried to do things for you. I've tried to have a relationship. You tried to fail. But I feel like it's being rejected.

Yes.

I get it. I can see where this breakdown is. And so as she's grieving and she's trying to figure out, "Who's gonna be there to support me? Who's gonna be there to support me?" You're like, "I've been there." But then I understand also, especially from that conversation about the misgendering or the names, I can understand why you feel like maybe you're not gonna always be that genuine support. And I think one of the things that we have to remember though is that there is some love here because what I'm hearing is, "I'll do for you and you do for me," which mean it ain't fully y'all hate each other because y'all are still showing up.

I don't hate her. That's my aunt. I don't hate her.

You can tell her.

She is. I don't hate you. I don't hate you at all. I don't hate anyone. I don't have hate in my heart, but I'm going through things and sometimes it's not easy for me. Like every day is a struggle. So when I'm reaching out to my family for support, be there to be supportive to me.

What just made you emotional right there when she started talking to you?

Because I am there for her.

Yeah.

I think as you two are growing, I think now that we have a little bit of clarity about this one situation, I think this can be the first step in you all figuring out how to hear each other. If we take out the, "I'm right, I'm wrong." Right. And more just we're remembering, "I love you." Can you just tell your niece you love her? I do love her.

I love you. And I love you too, right?

I do love you.

I love you too.

Hopefully this can just be a small step and a reminder that underneath these things, there is genuine love and there is support. I really do wish y'all the best of luck.

Thank you.

I think y'all gonna be all right. All right everyone, thank you for being with us. Make sure to come back next time friends so we can keep talking and we can keep growing. I love you all.

I genuinely apologize for disrespect because I know I'm supposed to— you're still my aunt, so I still have to respect you. And you're my mom's sister. I don't have that, like, so you're like the closest thing I have to my mom. And that's sort of, you know, how much family means to me. I want us to like try to build that bond and get back to where we need to be.

You know, I'm always going to be here.

I'm only like a hop, skip, and a jump, you know what I mean? I will come down to Miami whenever you need me.

For sure.

Just keep it together.

Yeah, I'm gonna take you on a cruise.