The WILDEST Teens of Season 3 | KARAMO

Samaria, tell me about your mother kicking you out.

Okay, when she kicked me out a few weeks, it was just, I woke up that morning, I was very tired because I always take care of my 2-year-old nephew. Like I'm always taking care of him, doing everything for him when that's her responsibility.

Okay.

Which I just had a deceased niece that passed, so she's real up and overprotective about him. So I woke up that morning and she walked in there, she was like, well, "Get up and take your nephew to school." But she's not doing nothing. So I'm like, "Why you couldn't do it?" She didn't even say much. She just started arguing with me, yelling, then she called the police. So after she called the police, I'm like, "Why would you call them?" Usually when she called them, she tell them I'm not supposed to be there. So I got real scared.

You said usually when she calls them. So this is a reoccurring?

She called them all the time.

On you?

So when she called them this time, I knew she was gonna try to, "Oh, she not supposed to be here. Send her there, send her here." But this time I had been and got put on probation, so I was real scared about her calling them. So when she called them, I just instantly started recording them because you know when you wanna call the police, I'm gonna pull out my phone, I got my proof, I know what I done, I know I ain't did nothing wrong. So I recorded and they basically just asked me a few questions about do I live there, do I got stuff in there? And I did, so I told them what happened.

So you sent my producers the video that you said you took that day. Can I see it?

All she did was kick me out this morning because I didn't want to wake up and feed my nephew. And I got the messages. I've been living here for months. I called y'all yesterday and told y'all these things that she keep doing.

Yeah, that stops today.

Okay, but let me talk to the police officers right quick and unrecord me. No, no, I don't appreciate you lying, so I'm not gonna unrecord. I don't want to be on social media, that's why. I'm not gonna post it, I'm just keeping it for my record if I get in trouble.

Okay. So where did you end up staying when you left?

Okay, I was staying in my boyfriend's car. Oh yeah, that's my stuff. Because she didn't want me home.

And lemme back up. You're 18, you just turned 18, right?

I just turned 18 a few months ago.

Okay. When a lot of this was happening, you were 17?

Oh no, this just happened.

Okay.

All this just happened like right before I came on the show.

Right before the show. But you said there was a, your police being called and all this stuff.

Yeah, like she usually called him a lot, but the only reason she started calling him was 'cause they put me on probation. After they put me on probation, she just called him every time.

What are you on probation for?

Okay, my mom, she be putting me out. Around the time that I was 17, when she first put me out, I had to go sleep with a man for somewhere to go. Okay, that man, he slept with me that time and he didn't give me anywhere to go. He put me right back outside after we slept together. That made me real uncomfortable 'cause I slept with you to have somewhere to go and now I still don't have anywhere to go. So I broke his windows, but it was only because I needed this. You didn't give it to me. I gave you what you wanted. And basically after that, you know, I'm sorry.

I hear you, baby.

I basically, you know.

You don't gotta tell any more of the story. I understand. I understand.

Had to find somewhere to go. And they had, like me and him got into it. He fought me.

Did your mom know about that? Why you're on probation? Did she know that's the reason?

Not really. She just know that when it came time for court and stuff, I asked her for help. I told her I didn't break the window 'cause I didn't want my mama to go against me. She always would go against me no matter what the situation is.

And where are you staying right now?

Okay, I'm like basically couch hopping. Like I stay here, I stay there, I stay with my cousins sometimes, but I really barely have anywhere to go because it's like every family member that I stay with, somebody who's immediate related to me, like she'll call them, "Oh, Samaria like this, she like that, she'll do this to you, she'll do that to you." When half of the time I probably wouldn't do none of that shit to them. She just wanna be messy, don't want me to have nowhere to go. And I don't appreciate that fact because I be feeling like if I'm put out, I'm your daughter, you love me, why you don't care about the fact that I don't have nowhere to go? Why you don't care about what may happen to me while nobody, you know?

When did the issues start with your, issues with your family start?

It started around the time when I was 15. When I was 15, all this started happening and I had to make friends with my neighbor. I turned my neighbor from the house that we was living in, I turned my neighbor to my best friend. Like I started living with her, staying with her 'cause my mama was constantly putting me out. I was supposed to be going to school, but due to the things that I was doing at my neighbor's house, I never went to school. Like, I probably barely had clothes. I didn't wanna go in no dirty clothes. I didn't wanna go with a fucking headspace 'cause I'm sleeping with men at night. You know what I'm saying? I don't want like they demons on me at school, you know, different stuff going on. But basically—

So you started sleeping with those men at 15?

Yeah.

And my producer told me that your mom did know when you were 15 that you were sleeping with men to get by.

Yeah, she knew that.

She did know that. Okay.

She knew.

So the only one she didn't know about was the one when you were 17?

Yeah, she didn't know about that one 'cause by that time she had casted me away. She didn't really care.

What was her response?

She didn't have no response. I guess it's 'cause she do it too. She don't, you know what I mean?

Has your mom kicked you out before?

Yeah, she kicked me out all the time.

How many times would you say since you were 15 and moved to Chicago?

I didn't stay with my mom much. I mean, I can't even say how it is living in the household with her. I can say that every time I have lived in the household with her, it wasn't comfortable 'cause it was always the next in there with me. You know what I'm saying? I never had my own space. I never had my own room. Never had my own, you know what I'm saying?

Got it, I understand. I hear you. It looks like I'm getting a ping from your mom's sister, your Aunt Shalonda. Do you have an Aunt Shalonda?

Mm-hmm.

Let me hear what she's saying.

Karamo, I'm telling you, you got your hands full with Samaria. She is off the chain. Samaria smokes weed. She sells her body on social media. She lives from pillar to post. She goes to people's houses and try to stay day. And my sister, she goes over there, she takes food for her to eat. She go to her rescue every time. Samaria is so disrespectful. She puts our business out on Facebook, whether it's the truth or a lie. Samaria has no respect for her family. Our father passed away March 24th. I did not want her at the funeral at all. Then she had the nerve to take a picture while he was laying in his casket. Posted him all on social media and started this whole chaos on Facebook. I told my sister it couldn't be me. Daughter or not, I'm not gonna let a child disrespect me the way that Samaria disrespects her mom, and I don't approve of it. Okay, for one, she, she needs to— that's not how it is. Okay, so it's like, for one, I already— like she said about my granddad, that's why I really don't fuck with my family. When my granddad died, they didn't call me down to tell me that he had passed. None of that. I had to find out from my brother. I missed his body viewing because y'all didn't y'all didn't tell me nothing about it. And still to this day, I didn't get to view his body till like the funeral day. So I don't know how she gonna say I took pictures.

There have been some text exchange between you and that same aunt. I'm up, y'all got something to eat like for me to take with me like noodles or anything, but I'm gonna need a bowl. This is you texting your aunt?

Yeah, 'cause I used to work and I needed that for work.

You're not allowed back in my house at all, not for a package delivery or to see my kids or if you're hungry. Okay, and how long ago was this?

This was like the other month ago. This was when my granddad died, March 24th.

Yes, March 24th. So, okay, I get your point of view.

And then they, I don't like that they—

But I wanna ask you this, what do you want from your mom today?

I want for her to understand me. I want for her to talk to me better. The way she talk to me like bitch, hoe, I don't want her doing all that 'cause I'm a bitch and hoe you right back. Like I'm gonna say the same shit to you so it's gonna forever be conflict. We gotta learn to fix the problem. And another thing like, She be calling me ugly. I don't think she know that that make me feel some type of way. Like I be feeling like that shit true. I feel like she don't love me, but that's why we here.

Okay, I get that.

It's all about making this shit better.

Okay. Well, let's see what Shanta has to say about this situation. So everyone please welcome Shanta to the show.

Hey, Karamo.

Hi, nice to meet you. So I gotta ask you, how do you feel about everything that was just said?

So Samaria, what we're not gonna do is sit here for the Karamo Show and tell lies. What lies? So that we can get the proper help for you. The first thing is you're very disrespectful. Yes, I am. You don't know how to talk to me as a child. I'm your mother. You're not my mother. You're at the age of 18. That makes you partways grown. Not all the way grown. As long as you in my house, There are rules to follow in my house. But I barely be in the fucking house. As long as you're in my house. I barely be in the house. There are rules in my house. You don't let me in the house.

When you're there.

Okay, when I'm there. Yes, I put you out. And it's a reason for me putting you out. You use profanity towards me. You don't know how to talk to me. Not only that, you have disrespectful. And don't you do that to me on a regular though? You have disrespectful. On a regular, not just when we're arguing, when we're going through it, on a regular. You have manic behaviors too. To where you destroy property. I do not have to tolerate that from you. Do I have many behaviors because you— Baby, I'm old school raised. You understand me? Old school. I could stand up now. If my mama look at me, she could line me up with her eyes and me and my sister get in line. You do not do that. You go word for word with me. Because you talk— And you weren't raised like that. It's the way you talk though. You go word for word. Like how you talking right now. You don't talk like that at home. When I get in trouble— I'm not gonna use any profanity on this show, but Karamo, I do. Yeah, like bitch, hoe, fuck, like you don't do all that. If I call her bitches, hoes, I'm just being honest with you. That's what I do in the heat of the moment. But understand, it's only after she done did it first. You get what I'm saying?

So were you aware that your daughter was selling her body at 15?

Yes.

2023. Okay.

Yeah.

The only reason I say that is because I know she's an adult now, but I wanna make sure anybody else at home that's aware, because this is my background, this is the field I worked in, you know that if any social service agency would've found that out, you would've been arrested immediately for child neglect and child abuse. I want you to know that. That's point blank.

Yes.

Point blank.

So at the age of 17, since we're speaking on that, I did have a case open against me.

When she was on the streets, were you able to find her like those times?

Yes, there've been numerous times Samaria have called me. She told me she was hungry, she needed to wash her clothes. When she asked me for things, if I have it, I give it. And you barely have it.

Mom, I wanna ask you something. What do you want to happen today?

I want her to learn to respect.

It ain't like I'm making up a story behind her.

Everybody goes through the same thing.

She's admitted that she's been disrespectful. She's admitted that she's done these things. She says she's done these things. These things? What's making you emotional right now?

Because it's like, I don't like seeing my family cry. Everybody know I love the shit outta them. I wouldn't ever do nothing to like make them upset. I don't try to make them upset. Shit that I go through that they don't listen to, they don't care about. And that's what make me upset. And that's what make me rebel. Maybe if you cared, maybe if you asked, maybe if you, what you call it? If you even tried to effort, like even effort, like you don't put in no effort, no supporting me, none of that. And then you sitting up here on the show wanna cry, cry about respect for what?

So do you want a relationship with your daughter?

I do want a relationship with her, yes.

You do?

I do.

You do, and you don't believe that?

I mean, it's hard to believe.

Your daughter says something, and this is real. She said, "I want you to understand what I've been through, what I'm going through." Do you think that you ever take the time really to understand what she's been through?

I have took the time out to understand her and what she goes through.

Yeah.

But to be honest with you, that's some fairy tale stuff.

Well, the things that we know for sure, and I'm just gonna start here, and this is why I started with this. A young woman at 15, whether she thinks she's making a grown decision or not, doesn't understand her body. Correct. And doesn't understand the men who take advantage of her young mind.

Correct.

And regardless of the attitude or anything else, your little baby has had those situations and those situations are traumatic.

They are.

And if you've ever had anything traumatic, I know your father just passed, so you know what it is. You get, as much as you're grieving, you get angry at times, you get frustrated at times. And I just want you to put your place in a little girl's mind that is at 15. And yes, she probably had an attitude before, so I'm not trying to pretend like I didn't think she had an attitude before, but 15, she didn't understand that. And as much as she's nodding her head, tell your mama what you've been through.

Yeah, like, and it ain't even just like, it's like I done been through a lot of stuff. Like it's a lot of stuff you didn't tell me that I was supposed to know. You ain't never came to me and sat me down and told me how I was supposed to be as a woman or anything like that. So it's a lot of shit that men done seen me do they wasn't even supposed to see me do. So I never sat down and talked to you? The way you promote your body on social media, all of that. We had conversations before then. But I'm saying the different little things that I done talked to you about, you gonna sit here and act like I never tried to come to you and talk to you about something.

You don't, Mom.

You come to me and say what you're saying now, I shouldn't be doing it. That's not talking to me, understanding me. That's telling me what I shouldn't be doing. Okay, gotcha. That's authority. That's what you're doing. So you don't take no responsibility Responsibility for nothing that's happening. Yes, I take responsibility. It's all my fault. I did it. Yeah.

I'm gonna tell you something. I have no control over it. I'm gonna tell you something. It's not your fault. You were a child that was trying to figure out how to survive in a world that no one prepared you for. And I'm not giving you, I'm not taking you away. This is not your fault and it also does not have to be your story. You know what I'm saying?

I can tell you anything.

Your daughter's reaching out to the show for help and I really do appreciate you what do you hope happens with you being vulnerable?

I just hope whatever we say on this stage, the resolution we taking home with us and we live that same way day by day, listening to each other and respecting each other.

So for me to encourage her to commit to not using profanity, you have to commit one thing. Mm-hmm. Is that you'll allow the conversations to only be between y'all. Oh yeah. Which means your sister, your mama, anybody else can't call and do what I heard. Would they call her out her name, say anything? Because the thing is, is that a child against several adults, and even though y'all are just all saying what y'all gotta say, I've been in the family, I've seen it. But then it's like, it's me against the world. So can you commit to having her back, to saying to everybody else, I'm not gonna let them talk about you? Can you tell 'em?

I'm gonna commit to this. I can't say I'm gonna not have them talk about you because I can't control anyone's action, so I'll be lying to you. If I sit here and say that.

Oh no, you wouldn't.

But I would not let them talk about you or to you around me.

So that's good. That's the perfect commitment. So you actually did what I wanted. Right. Because the thing is that, yeah, we know we all adults, we all got our own mouth. Right. But when you know they around, you say, "No, not around my daughter." Correct. And that way, if your mother's protecting you from everybody else, can you not, when you get triggered, 'cause I know you're gonna be triggered, can you say, "You know what? You know what? I'm gonna show you how smart I am. I ain't gonna cuss at you." As long as she's keeping her commitment and protecting you.

Right.

Can you do that?

Yeah. As long as you keeping your commitment and protecting me, I'm gonna respect you. I won't be using profanity. I'll find every word in the dictionary before I use a cuss word.

Look at that.

All right.

Look at that. Hopefully this helped a little bit. One step to help y'all going forward.

That's right.

All right. Good luck to y'all.

All right. Thank you.

I got you.

I'm at my breaking point. With my daughter Donna. She's been suspended countless times and was expelled last year for fighting. Donna has been in so many fights that it's like most of the administrators and principals, it's like they're really walking on eggshells when she gets upset, 'cause we know it's gonna get chaotic. She's been rude to teachers, authority, anybody that tries to steer her in the right direction. She gets really upset and out of control. I've caught her in the house with boys when no one is home, and I've told her, "Don't have anybody in my house." I've caught her smoking weed. She sometimes drinks, and she even got hit by a car one time because she walked into traffic high. Donna has no respect for my authority. She'll leave in the middle of the night, not say anything. I don't know where she's at. At, and it's like it doesn't even bother her that I'm worried and looking for her all night. If something doesn't happen soon, I'm scared that it'll just go the wrong way. Donna is outta control and I don't know what else to do.

All right, listen everyone, we will talk with Rell shortly, but I want you to see the fighting videos that 17-year-old Donna sent us. It's too graphic to broadcast, but we will show our studio audience. Oh my gosh. Listen everyone, let's welcome Donna to hear her side of the story. Hey Donna.

Hello.

Give you another hug. Nice to see you again. Donna and I met backstage. I wanted to meet her before 'cause you're only 17, right?

Yeah.

Yes, okay. So what's going on in those videos that we just saw?

The first video, they tried to jump me.

Okay.

Yeah, and the second one, they tried to jump my friend.

Uh-huh.

Yeah.

And so why were they trying to jump you?

Our friend groups was like going back and forth.

It's wild to see what we just saw and see how small you are. So what made you so enraged and so angry that you thought like you had to like fight these girls like that?

Oh, I defended myself. They would call me ugly.

Oh, got it. My producers told me that these girls sometimes talk bad about your dad.

Yeah, they'll be like, "Fuck y'all dad," dad and stuff.

Got it. So your father has passed away?

Yeah.

Okay then. Have you been arrested for fighting?

No, I went to CIC from school.

Okay then. And that was the only thing that happened?

Mm-hmm.

And were you expelled from school?

No.

So you've been going to school every day?

Yeah.

But your mom says she picked you up from juvie twice. Is that true?

That's CIC.

CIC. Okay then. Yeah. Do you feel like your mom's considering your feelings?

No, she's not.

Got it. So does your mom call you names?

Yeah.

What does she call you?

Like, fuck, fuck stuff and like ignorant. Like says like I'm never gonna learn. She like says like I'm like a devil child.

She calls you a devil child. Did she say you're a mistake?

Yeah, she's like oops.

She calls you an oops?

Yeah.

Did she have a good relationship with your father who passed?

Mm-mm.

They didn't?

No, she didn't.

Does she ever compare you to your father?

Yeah.

She compares you to your father?

Yeah, and I don't know him.

You don't know him? 'Cause how old were you when he passed away?

6, about to be 7.

6 years old, 7 years old. So almost a decade ago, 7, 10 years ago. Mm-hmm.

Okay.

And so you said you don't know him?

No, like he didn't really claim me and like my siblings, like on my dad's side, they didn't, They didn't either. I just recently met them like 4 years ago.

Got it. So your father didn't claim you and neither did the siblings on that side?

No.

Okay, got it, got it.

And their mom, like when they met me, she was like, "Oh, you do have a sibling." Oh, so your father's mother, your grandmother, she did claim you though? Yeah.

Okay, that's good. So someone did care. Are you still close to the grandma now?

She passed.

She passed away, okay. So what happened last Christmas?

I like got kicked out.

Kicked out of what, the house?

Mm-hmm.

Did y'all get in a fight?

Yeah, because I was smoking.

Okay, smoking weed?

Yeah.

Has your mom asked you not to smoke weed in the house?

Yeah.

Do you still do it?

Not in the house.

Where do you do it?

Outside or the garage.

In the garage, still in the house?

The garage ain't in the house.

Oh, okay. You sure? 'Cause if somebody said don't do it in my house and you in my garage, that's still in the house. Are you sneaking out?

I used to.

When was the last time you snuck out?

Like a week maybe.

A week ago?

With my best friend. So we just went to her house.

Got it. And do you drink?

Yeah.

Why didn't you just tell your mom the time that you snuck out, you said a week ago or whatever, that you were just going over to the friend's house?

I did.

And what happened?

Nothing.

Did she say don't go?

No.

So what did she say?

It was like 2 in the morning.

It was 2 in the morning?

Yeah.

But do you understand from her point of view, 'cause we gotta be real here, 'cause you're a smart young woman, if I'm your friend, and we're having a sleepover and then all of a sudden, 2 o'clock in the morning, you wake up and you look over and I'm gone. What's your first thought gonna be? You gonna be worried. You gonna be scared. You gonna be like, where's my friend? So imagine if your mother wakes up and she doesn't know where you're at. Do you understand how it can make her feel?

Yeah.

Do you believe that she would feel sad that you were missing?

I do, but like she says, she wants somebody to kidnap me. Okay. And for me to not come back.

She said that she wants you to get kidnapped?

Yeah.

Okay. And not to come back in the house?

Yeah. Or like I run away before I turn 18.

She would say that, she would hope that you run away?

Yeah.

All right. Well, it's time to hear what Rel, your mother, has to say about all this. Everyone, please welcome Rel to the show. Hi, Rel. Thank you for being here. Hi, Karamo.

Nice to meet you.

Nice to meet you as well. Great to meet you.

And hey, beautiful. Let me say this first, because I'm back there listening.

Yes.

And I'm going to be real. Yes, I do go overboard sometimes.

OK.

But I'm at a breaking point. I've tried literally everything. I was soft parenting at first.

Yeah.

And then I got fed up to where it's like, what else can I say? And yes, I have called you some names that I should not have. I didn't call her a oops baby. It was a conversation and I've clarified this with her. I apologize to you for that. We've been going through this for years. Like about the oops part, we have arguments where she literally is like, oops, my bad. Yeah, she asked me like, why are you here if you're not gonna do this, this and that? I'm not here to like live. Like, I don't know. Like she wants me.

So it sounds like for me, and let me just, 'cause I wanna be clear 'cause I really wanna understand your side. So you're saying that when she said that oops comment about you being born and then when she also said—

No, it wasn't. No, it's like we be in arguments and she's like, oops, you're here. Oops, I'm this.

It triggers you.

Yeah.

It makes you feel some way. Okay, yeah.

That's not the truth. The conversation goes, me asking her, if you're not gonna do right or listen to me, how can I mother you? How can I parent you?

How, like, if you're not gonna do right, then what are you gonna be in this house for?

Then what you in my house for? That's where that comes from. She told me my dad was not the right person to have a kid with. When you're telling me about him and stuff, you're saying like he's like a bad person and all of this. Baby, hold on. Like he wasn't the type of person to have children with. Back up. Why did we start this conversation? Because you told me that you got into a fight with somebody because they was talking about my dad. That's what it was. No, they said, they said, "Fuck your dad, dad." Like— Okay, so at this moment, I still, I done had 3 different stories about what happened with that situation. It's a lot of things that happened with that girl. Hold on, let me finish. Let me finish. Having said that, the different conversations that I had, I don't feel like you should be fighting. Even if somebody talking about me. I love my mama to death, but I'm not gonna go fight somebody because they talking about my mama. I'm not gonna go jump in somebody's face and get suspended from school because they talking about my mama. You should not feel like that about somebody that you did not even know. You shouldn't feel like you wanna ruin the rest of your life. You already at risk of not graduating, of not, like, you not going to school every single day. You sitting here saying that you go to school. You might go into the building, but you ain't in class. I am. And we got record, baby girl. No, we got records of that. You like credits are null and void.

Are you behind in school? How many years? One? Yeah. And why don't you go to class?

I do go to class.

So this is your report card, 8th grade.

Oh, that's when it was awesome.

This is 8th grade, okay.

That's when it was awesome.

And so, and then this is now 2023, 2024, FFF, okay. Non-complete, okay.

You have no credits, no credits, period.

How does that make you feel seeing that?

I need to catch up. You gotta care, baby. Yeah. You gotta care. That's where it start. You gotta care.

I see your legs bouncing up and down. Are you anxious? What are you feeling right now? You gotta tell me what you're thinking.

Like, she thinks I'm gonna ruin my future and stuff, but what she said about my dad because he didn't really care about me, I'm gonna ruin my future for somebody that didn't care about me. It don't have nothing to do with him, but he's still a part of me, so that's disrespectful to me. That was one incident. What about all the other ones that didn't involve your daddy? I'm still defending myself. Every time? Every single time? Let me tell you this, baby girl, if you always in a different situation and it's the same the same outcome, you gotta think about what the common denominator is. It's not, it's a different situation, but it's not the same outcome. Okay.

You said your mom fights with you. Do you feel like your mom fights for you?

Yeah. When it's good, it's good. And I tell you that it's good. I tell you I'm proud of you. I tell you I love you. I tell you you're doing a good job. And when you doing wrong, I'm gonna tell you that too. Period. I just want her to understand that I'm not your enemy.

Donna, what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna have you go back You're doing a great job. I'm gonna have to go backstage, get a little water. So you said something really quickly. There's a reason I said, let me go ahead and stop this. You said, I'm not your enemy.

And I really feel like she believes I am.

This girl's dealing with rejection. She's dealing with abandonment.

I understand.

And she's her own worst enemy. That's obvious to us. And it's because she has never felt like anybody wanted her. And she's compiling that story over and over in her head. Also, when she has been told that her father wasn't worth it, She also believes that she is him. She doesn't believe she has a future. She doesn't believe that anyone loves her. She doesn't care that, and she doesn't believe that anyone likes her.

Yeah, no, I get it.

But what you gotta do is all these stories you telling us, you saying out loud, you gotta cut all of 'em. That's the only thing that's gonna change is everything you're doing has to switch. Because again, somebody who's dealing with abandonment, every time you kick 'em out only confirms their feelings. But you know how you switch that up? You throw her all the way off. No, stay. You telling me I just did something bad and you want me to stay? What you mean? No, no, stay. It will throw her whole game off.

Yeah, I get it. I get it, I get it.

Anytime she talks to her about her father, from now on, what you've done before in the past is talked about the bad parts of him, the things that aggravated you. But the first, I heard you right here. You said we were in a full-blown relationship. I think you need to focus on that more. You know, one of the things that your father did that was so great is that he would always figure out how to get together. I don't know if this is true. I'm just telling you what were the positives. You throw her game off. Next time someone says, well, they was talking about my daddy and I would say, yeah, you know what? You were like your dad in this positive way. And I want you to know this, and without her being here, can we get her back out here? It's to switch up the game on her.

Okay. Okay.

And this is gonna be a hard process.

Please. Ooh, I feel the tension right now.

Yeah, but this is where you take a deep breath.

Yeah.

And you say, I'm sorry for all those things I said. I wanna believe you. I wanna hear you. I'm sorry for everybody who didn't make you feel wanted. I'm sorry for kicking you out. You told her that she's out when she's 18. Let us start there. When she's 18, she does need to get out.

Okay.

How do you feel?

Good.

A little moment?

You know I love you, baby. And I just want to see you be great, okay? And if I'm hurting you, I'm so sorry. I've never, ever, ever wanted to make you feel like I don't want you, like I don't want you around. You are my sunshine. You always been. I've been telling you that since you was a baby. You are my sunshine, OK? You are beautiful. And I know what you can do, OK? I've seen what you can do. I don't ever want you to feel like I don't want you there. And even in the midst of anger, I swear I'm never, ever, ever going to say you got to get out. You can stay with me and be around me as long as you need to in order to— before you get it together, OK? And I'm so sorry. And we're going to work on this. And just know that I want you to be the best version of yourself. I just wanna see you be great. That's it, okay?

I'm sorry. I'm gonna ask you a question. Donna, I wanna ask you a question. What does it feel like to hear your mom say you can stay? I know you never heard that before. You don't know right now, do you? Yeah, I understand. Ask her right now. Say, "Mom, do you want me?" Mom, do you want me?

Yes, I never didn't want you. I promise you.

Thank you. So I wanna keep up with you, okay? Next semester when we get back after the Christmas break, Can you give your all?

Yeah.

Yeah? Yeah?

All right.

All right, listen, y'all both took a great first step. I think you see what's going on now and you feel it. Absolutely. Okay, good. I wish y'all the best of luck and we gonna be in touch, right? Oh, wow, I don't believe you right there. We gonna be in touch?

Yeah.

Okay, good. All right, there we go. All right, listen, stay with us, friends. We'll be right back with more. Hey, come give me a hug.

I found out I was pregnant when I was 16, about 3 months into the pregnancy.

Okay.

I was currently with Dustin and I like immediately told him. I like left my house. I thought I hid the test well, but apparently did not. 'Cause I got a call while me and him were both freaking out and I got grounded because obviously—

I'm sorry for making you laugh. Did you find out you pregnant and your parents grounded you?

Yes.

That's not gonna help in this case. That doesn't really help anything.

Yeah, they were not supportive in the beginning.

I can imagine what they're going through. I didn't mean to laugh, but I'm like, really, you grounded? Okay, okay. So you were pregnant and grounded, all right.

Yeah, and then I just ended up living with him and—

Well, let me take me back. How did Destin react when you told him that you were pregnant?

When you were pregnant? We were both freaking out. Freaking out, yeah.

I understand.

We didn't have any experience.

Y'all know my son was born when I was 16. And so we only 15 years apart. So I can, I understand your freak out. I understand.

Yeah, so.

How old was Dustin at the time? 'Cause you said you were 16. Was he 16?

I think he's a year younger than me.

So he was 15. Yeah. Babies, okay then. Was he there for you during the pregnancy? I know you moved in with his family.

Yeah, he was there for me. He did miss a couple of like the doctor's appointments.

When did the two of you break up though?

We broke up when Nick was about a year old.

Okay.

Because Dustin had like a history of cheating on me and when another girl was like, "Hey, I'm with him, I need his number. Do you have his like current number?" I was like, "No, I don't have his current number. Last I knew his phone was off." And then I like talked to him about it and he's like, "I didn't, I didn't." And I was like, "I can't believe you." Yeah. So. No, we're not together anymore.

Ooh, you're smart. Okay then, I'm glad you chose yourself in that moment. That's very good.

Yeah.

So what happened when your son was 4 months old?

Yeah, when Nick was 4 months old, Dustin's family came to visit and the plan was we would all 3 go and live in Oregon with them, but they had brought extra people so me and Nick wouldn't actually fit in the car on the ride home. And he left me at Xander's doorstep, got in a cop car, and drove back to his family, like to his house to pack up his stuff. And then there was no communication for like 24 hours after. And they called me a stalker when I checked his location to see where he was, if he made it safely.

So, so, so yeah, so that, that's wild. But like, I wanna go back to that because like you're here, you're thinking I'm about to move with this man, we're gonna make, this commitment for us with our child. And then he drops you off on the doorstep of the other man that potentially could be the father, who's Xander.

Yeah, he drops me off at my best friend's doorstep and says, "Bye." 'Cause Xander was your best friend. Yeah.

And that also who he's here because he could be potentially the other father, correct?

That's what Dustin thinks. That's what Dustin thinks. I've never had any sexual relations with Xander.

So when did he start accusing Xander of being your son's father?

They were looking at baby pictures when like Nick was a year old and like blonde babies, they mostly look the same. So at least in my opinion, like since both of them and me were blonde blue-eyed children, there's obviously gonna be some similarities.

Got it. Was Xander involved in your son's life at all?

He was. When we got dropped off on his doorstep, he ended up moving in with me and Dustin's family. And he helped me out 'cause I was, I had just started work.

Xander moved in with you and Dustin's family?

Yes.

While Dustin was away?

Yes.

Okay.

Dustin left with half his family. I was left with the other half of his family. I was working. I had literally just started working before Dustin moved. And so Xander helped by watching Nick and like changing diapers when I needed him to. And he was basically like the fun uncle. Yeah.

So during this time, I know you said he's your best friend. Did you have a relationship at all with Xander?

Other than best friends, no. I did help him get over his fear of girls caused by one of my ex-best friends, but other than that, no.

And were you ever intimate with him?

We slept next to each other, but that was because I was literally in tears from Dustin leaving.

Why y'all say mm? Y'all don't try. People can sleep next to each other. Y'all so judgmental and messy. They talking about, mm. All right, so when was the last time, when was the last time Dustin saw your son?

When Nick was 4 months old.

4 months old was the last time Dustin saw him?

Yep.

Got it. And since that time, Xander's been around, been in his life?

Kind of. We moved in with my aunt. Xander was with us, From like the whole year before we moved.

And how old is your son now?

He's almost 2.

2 years old.

He'll be 2 in 2 months.

Okay then, wow. And does Dustin help at all with the baby?

I have not received any child support. I have not received any like advice or help like at all. And he wants to try and tell me that I can't be on dating sites 'cause he doesn't want random men around Nick.

So Dustin has an issue with you dating, though he doesn't want anything to do with you and the child?

Yeah, and he's currently living with someone else and her newborn.

Wow.

And her newborn.

Wow.

That he knows for a fact is not his.

He knows for a fact the child's not his?

He knows for a fact it's not his.

But this child that he knew, you said to him early on, this is your child. Yeah. He's denying. He's denying, yeah. With that one he's around. I gotta ask you very also simply, I know you said you and Xander have never been intimate in any way, shape, form. Is there any possibility of any other fathers?

No.

Okay then. Well, listen, everybody, I wanna meet your ex Dustin and hear his side of the story. So everyone, please welcome Dustin to the show. Hi, Dustin, how are you? Take a seat for me. Doing good. Good. So how do you feel about what Lexi has been saying?

I mean, there's some truth to it.

There are things I didn't know about. Okay, what is the truth and what are the things you didn't know about? Truth is, yes, I did leave, but it was due to issues at home.

Mm-hmm. Yeah, but there were better ways to leave.

I can agree with that.

You didn't have to leave your child and your— me.

I can agree with that. But I did try to bring you with me.

How could you have brought me with you? They had other people intentionally blocking our access.

And I did not know that.

You said you'd pick me up in October.

And I was trying—

I quit my job to be picked up in October.

I understand that. And I was trying to be able to get you. Lexi, anything else you want to say to him about him leaving?

He could have moved out of his parents' house and he could have moved with me into a different house rather than moving into a different state.

Yeah. So why do you have doubts that her son is not your son? 'Cause when we found out, I was over the road when she called me saying she was here.

I went to your house to tell you. You were inside your bedroom when I told you.

You called me with pregnancy test and I went to your house. I did it. Were you two intimate from your point of view around the time she got pregnant? No. You weren't intimate? Wow. Okay, have you ever heard him say this before?

I have not because we were very intimate around time of conception.

Got it. You told producers you were out of town at the time. Is that true? Yes. Okay.

I don't think you went on the road with him for like a month. I was over there like 2 weeks. That's from like a month before. No, that was the month before my conception.

So then why do you think that Xander is the child's father? Because Xander was staying with us. Okay.

We weren't living with Xander at that time. Xander lived with us after you abandoned us.

That is not how I remember it.

It might not be how you remembered it, but that's what happened.

So is there any, other than him living with you, is there any other suspicions you're having of why you think Xander's the father? And then I guess me just finding out that they had slept in the same bed.

Because I was in tears for you leaving me and your child behind.

Got it. How long has it been since you've last seen your potential son? It's been about 2 years. 2 years, okay. Do you want to be his father? Yes, I do. You want to be his father.

And what's gonna happen when you are his father? You can actually be a father. A father? Right. 'Cause if you're not gonna be a father, then you need to back up.

But you're states away, so how will you be able to take care of the child and support the child? I'll figure it out. Is it true that you're taking care of another child that's not yours? Yes, it is true. And I am living with her. And I've talked to her about taking a trip to be able to see my son Nicholas, and she agrees with it. We're just financially not able to.

But at first you thought he wasn't your kid.

Okay. I think there's one more person in this story. I wanna talk to Xander and hear what he has to say about this. Everyone welcome Xander to the show.

You need a hug.

You want a hug?

You need a hug.

Probably.

Okay, you need a hug. Don't fall.

Xander, how are you doing? A little jumpy. A little jumpy? One thing I can tell you is that your two energy is, your energy, both of you changed immediately once you all walked out here. How long has it been since you two have last seen each other?

About a year.

You two haven't seen each other in a year? Yeah. What does it feel like to see her right now? Hard not to cry. Why? These two were my main supporters back when I was on my own. Yeah, and so right now being on this stage is kind of hard for you. Oh yeah. Yeah, what was your relationship like with Lexi? We were best friends and I became the uncle for Nicholas at the start because I chose to. That was my main goal.

You didn't choose to. You were made to be uncle. I thought it was a friendship law. You were made to be uncle.

That's fair. Would you say that you're in love with Lexi? I still am, yes. You still are in love with her. I can read that. I can read that all over your energy. I'm gonna ask you, were you two ever intimate? No, sadly not. Okay, okay.

Sadly?

I'm saying the truth.

I guess.

Well, you know, my judgmental audience here, when Lexi said y'all slept in the same bed, didn't believe her. I held her when Dustin left. Okay, and so no other hanky-panky? Nope. Okay then. Okay, good. See?

See?

Y'all over here judging. So when did Dustin start saying you might be the baby's father? I found out through Dustin from the Karamo show and Lexi on the phone. Wow, that's when you first heard that he was accusing you? Yeah, that's the first time I ever heard it. Dustin, he said that you were his biggest support system, that you all had a friendship. Yes. What is it like to see him right now?

I mean, he's been staying with me and my current girlfriend or fiancée.

And we have— So you're in Oregon right now? No, I'm back in Idaho. You're back in Idaho. So you're staying with him and this girl? I mean, we're visiting right now, yeah. Okay, let's back this up. You're staying with him and his new girl and the new baby he's taking care of. So you're playing uncle to that baby too? Yep.

Betrayal. Oh, come on.

You disappeared to Wisconsin and left me behind.

I did the same thing he did.

Did you help take care of Lexi's son? Yes. Yeah. Do you love that child? Oh yeah. Do you wish that it was yours? 100% if I could. You do wish it was yours. Have you ever heard him talk like this, Lexi?

No.

You've never heard it. How does it make you feel hearing him talk like this?

I mean, he would be a better father than Dustin. He communicates more with me than Dustin does.

See, now you got their minds working because how do you wanna be the father if nothing hanky-panky happened in that bed? I love Nicholas like a son, actually. Okay then, I hear that. Well, I think it's time to solve this DNA mystery.

He had something to say.

All right, so Xander, this is your DNA truth. You said that nothing happened between you two. My audience doesn't believe it. But you two are saying it's not, and you're also saying that you would love to be Nicholas's father. Yes. So let's find out if you possibly could be Nicholas's father. This is your truth to open, not mine. Thank you. You can open it anytime you want and read what's on it. For what it's worth, man, you're a great guy.

Not a great dad.

And you're gonna be a great dad You just need some time to grow and you need some training is what I think. Xander, Nick is not your biological son. Okay, okay, okay, I guess we was wrong. Okay. Dustin, how does that make you feel knowing that they're not? Makes me feel better. Okay, well listen, Dustin, in this envelope is your DNA truth.

Truth.

Here you go. This is your truth to open up, Mike. Oh boy. Um, okay, that's a C.

Dustin, Nick is your biological son. I told you, I told I told you. You didn't believe me. I told you. I told you. You believe someone you've known literally less than half of your life over me.

Dustin, what's going on in your mind right now? 'Cause you're tearing up. It's a relief. I can now have a clear conscience.

Just kind of rub it into my family's face going, no, I was right.

'Cause I was going against them going, he is mine. And now I can actually go and say that, so. Got it. And are you ready to be there for your child? Yeah.

How there?

As there as I can. How far are you two from each other?

2-day trip by car.

2-day trip by car? Got it. So it's not close at all? No. Understandable. Okay, well I gotta tell you this. I'm glad that you have this information. I'm glad that you have your answers now and that you know that this is your child because this is going to, the thing is, is that when there's doubt, it causes so much other pain. It starts to trickle into parts of your lives. And so now that you have this clarity, you can start making other clear decisions. And the first decision I wanna ask you is that the support that you didn't feel as a child, do you want your child to feel? Do you want them to feel that way or do you wanna make sure they feel supported? I mean, I wanna be there and support him. Okay, great. So what I want you to do is every morning you wake up, understand that's gonna be your intention. You're gonna see how you start to make moves and how you make decisions with money, how you make decisions with where you're gonna go and what you're gonna do. You have to be clear on what you want to be doing with your child and for your child. Secondly, you have to make sure you understand that you need to ask for help a lot more. It's not gonna be from your family, it's going to be from social programs. You have to take away any pride you have and say, I need help because she needs help and your child needs help. And it's going to be up to you two to work together to get that help. What I wanna find out is how far that is. I heard it's about 1,900 miles. I'm gonna go ahead and pay for 5 of those trips, okay? 5 of those trips right now so you get to your child because I wanna make sure you can have a plan to see your child. So now you know, We got 5 trips that you can go see your child that the Karamo Show and myself, we're gonna handle for you, okay? All right. Ladies, you have your answers. We also have a plan of you seeing your child and we also have given you new ways of communicating, okay? The best of luck to all of y'all, okay? So my producers told me that you two got into an argument before coming on the show.

Yes.

Why, what happened?

First of all, I work 12-hour shifts at a hospital, so I came in and we already have 2 babies. I had to put my son to sleep and he wants, basically he wanted more quality time, if you know what I mean. And I was just tired. So he always acts when I'm asleep or, you know, that's how it all stemmed out.

You just told me the schedule of a 40-year-old woman. You got 12-hour shifts, 2 kids, and you're working.

My first big girl job from fast food.

Yes, yes. And then you also had to come home trying to figure out intimate times.

Yes.

I'm tired for you, sister. How old are you again?

19.

19. Right, now y'all see why I said that was, that's like the schedule my mama used to tell me she had. You know what I mean? So is it true that Jamari didn't wanna come on the show?

It's just the fact that he doesn't want to, you know, to be misjudged or our family, he's scared our family gonna watch the show and think of him in a bad way or think of us.

Oh yeah, I don't judge people. What changed his mind?

'Cause I was like, if I'm tired, we've been together since '15, '16, since kids. So it was like, you're either gonna be with me or you're not. And I'm not gonna keep going through the same accusing. We have two babies. I'm just trying to settle down and I don't want any extra toxic behavior.

Got it, got it. So you're the one who called the show today, right?

Yes.

What were you hoping for?

Hoping to fix our communication 'cause we talk over each other so much. Ooh, okay. Fix traumas, just trying to get on a good level with him.

Okay, so you wanna prove you're not cheating as well, correct?

Yes.

Yeah, so when did he start accusing you of cheating?

Since the beginning.

Since the beginning? Since y'all were like 16?

But it's really based off how we met. So it's like we was all, we was just doing our own thing and it's really stemming off of that.

When you were 16, tell me what you mean. So like y'all started dating but you had somebody on the side, he had somebody on the side?

Yeah, it was a lot. We didn't think we was gonna be serious, but then when we started being serious and I had my son, it's like we were trying to grow, but he has very bad, insecure and he thinks a lot. He's an overthinker. That's really the root of the problem.

So 16, y'all met, but then once you had the child, how long after 16 did you get pregnant?

I got, I'll say 6 months.

6 months into y'all meeting each other, you got pregnant?

Yes.

So before your 17th birthday, you were pregnant? You were pregnant. Okay then. And that's when you said, we're gonna be together?

Yes, that's when he was like, you know what, we've been ride or die for this long, haven't split up anything. So we were just wanting to be a family. My mom took us in 'cause that's when we were homeless.

Got it.

At the time, so.

Deonna, my producers say he said he wishes the two of you never had children.

Yes, he has said that one time.

Okay, he did say that. How'd that make you feel?

It's the fact that when we, it was a very bad blow. I can't really remember the specifics, specific argument, but it was a very bad blowup when we had split up. And he was saying that having kids with me, he's never regretted his children. We always say it's a blessing. Our son and daughter came at a perfect time for both of each other.

Got it. So both of it, he does say that there's—

It's just he has a problem saying things outta anger.

What was you lying for?

Huh?

You wanna take a seat? Nice to meet you. So I'm assuming, Jamari, that you heard something that upset you.

Oh, you talking about I never wish I have my kids?

That's just a lie.

No, when we had— That's a lie.

That's a lie. When the last time I said that?

When was it? A year ago? Talking about a year ago? Name the time I said that.

Actually, name the moment I said that. What was it saying?

And you were saying no, not that you had your kids with me. What did you do? When we was— when you thought I was doing something, you said with you. I never said— Okay, if I said I would have— what did you do?

That was the time.

That was the time I did what? No, we had split up and you said you were going to have kids with me. You didn't never regret your kids. I see what type of show this is, we do it, come on.

What is upsetting you right now?

What's upsetting me is that the innocence is killing me. Like, if you was that type of person, if you was that type of innocent person, if you introduced yourself as that type of innocent person, if you introduced yourself showing like that you wasn't that type of person, then I would've came a different way. When you keep trying to play mind games and it's like when I go through your phone, You know how iPhones got ways you cut the video, right?

And then it just show part of the video.

So I'm going through her phone, I'm looking at the phone, and then something told me to press edit. So I press edit and then I opened up more of a video that was cut off. The video showed her and her friend getting out the car 'cause a dude was driving an SRT. That's when we was talking.

Come down here, stop talking to me.

The dude was driving an SRT and doing all that extra stuff. She talking about, "Ooh, oh my God, they driving a car." Come on, let's go, girl. Like, what the hell is you talking about, bro? And then you wonder why I left and did all that extra stuff. And then it's like when you fight, try to tell me not to leave, you want me to hurt in front of you. You not finna sit there and keep telling me this and that and then this and that and not give me reassurance, reassurance.

So, Shamariah, I got two questions to ask you because there's two things going on here. The first we're gonna get back to, which is what she said about the first time or the only time that you had said you didn't want to be a father. But I'm gonna address your issue first.

I said that because of the situation stuff that's going on. No, I'm just saying, you gave them the okay to say that. I literally said, you said your kids were a blessing. I said you didn't want to have kids with me. Why didn't you say that on the show?

Why didn't you say it on the show?

Why did I say that? I didn't say— No, it's not about correcting nothing. You should have said from the point on, I do a lot for my kids. I'm in my kids' life for them, not even for this relationship, to be honest with you.

I'm gonna be like, I'm not—

Don't say, ooh, nothing. It's not entertainment, bro.

Jamari, so I'm gonna ask you this. When did the trust issue start for you in this relationship? Trust issue started when? I don't even, man.

Man. Tell the truth. You want me to tell? Yeah, bro, look, I ain't trying to make it look bad on here, bro. Ain't nothing to look bad about. I ain't trying to make it look bad. I already opened my phone. Like I said, bro, when we first met, it was not supposed to be what it was.

I'mma let you know that.

It was not supposed to be what it was. But—

You were 16. 2016, you were young and you met. She said that you were both in situations. I wasn't in no situations. I was in a great situation. What started the trust issues? So were you two, did she cheat on you in the beginning? It wasn't even trust issues in the beginning. It was like when you first see somebody, you supposed to know, like you can tell what type of person they is. How I met her, it was not supposed to, "Go like this." Like, it would push. So because of the choices you all made to have sex, your life went a different way. Is that what broke the trust issues? Because you were hoping that you two would be on the same page not to be in the situation you're in today? 'Cause I'm not getting a clear answer of what broke the trust issues. What broke the trust issues? It was—

The past and how we met. No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm trying to find, I know how to say it. I know it did.

I'm just not trying to make somebody look bad.

Say it. So it'd be times where, mind you, we were not living with each other. Like I said, I was living with my dad. So it'd be times where she would get kicked out her mama house on purpose. She would call me. My cousin told me, if you tell her she can't go there and she kicked out, you don't think she gonna call somebody else? I was like, nah, 'cause I ain't like that.

I ain't like that. I ain't like that. Every time she do come, it's always a dude dropping her off at my spot. Like, so that was true from your perspective. When you were getting kicked outta the house, you were staying with other guys?

No. You were saying that I got dropped off by guys, but again— Okay, like be real. Okay, but he just asked, did I stay with other guys? And I said no.

Deanna, so where was she staying the rest of the time? So because she got dropped off by other guys, you decided that there must be something going on. Did you ask her directly if something was going on? I didn't.

It wasn't supposed to be what it was.

When she got pregnant and you found out that you would become a father, what happened then? Like that's where I'm at, 'cause how we met and how things was going, okay, like we was struggling, we was doing all that.

Like I said though, I was good.

So you said you matured when you became a mother.

Yes.

What ways do you feel like you matured?

I matured, again, like I said before, my naive ways. I matured in realizing life is too short and there's no reason to be arguing when you can simply communicate. But again, I have to work on my communication as well. But it doesn't work when it's just like, I feel like it's just not two of us trying to work. It's like we're going against each other when it can be so much easier.

Jamari, do you think you've matured? I can't mature. Why can't you? 'Cause I'm stuck in a relationship. So you think because of the relationship you're not able to have growth and do what you wanna do? No, no, no. Why?

'Cause every time I do something, like when I try to communicate, it make me feel like, like I'm, like I'm just getting nowhere. But it's like I want this bad because I got kids, you know what I'm saying? So it's like—

You want what bad? The relationship?

Not—

You can say that, man. You can say that. Do you want to be in this relationship? I don't know. When he says he doesn't know if he wants to be in this relationship, how does it make you How do you feel? Be real.

Hurt.

This is what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna go ahead and lock the phone, but I can tell y'all before I even unlock this phone that unlocking this phone is not gonna fix this relationship.

It's not gonna fix it. I don't care.

So we'll get to unlocking this phone. That's what you wanted.

You wanted to fix it.

You told me to come see you. You tried me.

You just tried me.

Deonna, we unlocked your phone, okay? That don't mean nothing. Jamari, you wanna know if Deonna has been texting with other men. She says she's not. My unlock the phone investigator searched her phone and found she's telling the truth. You wanna know if Deonna has been DMing any other men. She says she's not. My unlock the phone investigator searched her DMs and she's telling the truth. You wanna know if Deonna has any inappropriate photos in her phone. She says she does not. I never wanted to know that. Monlock, the investigator, searched her photos and found that she is telling the truth. So we searched her phone and there's nothing in her phone. She's not been doing anything. I think it's clear to all of us. Now what I'll tell you is there's two things that's going on here and I can see it within the first minute. Jamar, you are very angry about a choice you made. I'm not angry. No, no, no, no, no. You gotta hear me out. You gotta hear me out. So let me tell you, Jamar, Jamar, I have given you the opportunity to sit down entire time as you bombarded the stage, as you've talked over, you've even tried to silence my audience. And I've given you the entire time and respect to speak. You're right. That is right. So what I'm gonna ask you to do is give me the chance to speak. You're right. What I have noticed from you. You're right. What I've noticed from you is that you said immediately that where I went wrong was the minute that I got into a deeper relationship with her. Those were your words. The minute I went wrong. You said before we got into something, I was happy with my father. No, I was not. That's where you're wrong at again. I said we was getting into it, my father. That's what I'm saying. You're not really listening to me. You, you, you. Jamarion, Jamarion, hold on. I should've never came on stage like that. That's my fault. I should've never did that.

But that hurt me when she said I didn't want my kids. I care about my kids deeply.

So the anger you have in you is understandable. You are a young man with 2 kids. It sounds like you had some issues at home and you're probably feeling like you're drowning. Yes, that's the only— That's the— Finally you got something right. Finally. I've gotten a lot right. But what I wanna tell you though is that though you are angry, doesn't give you the right in this moment or any other moment in your life to spit that anger towards others. Because when I'm gonna tell you— That's all wrong. Yeah, you right. 'Cause what I'm telling you is that more people would love to help you. I'm gonna tell you, this show is actually a place where I come to help people. That is the only reason I want the show, to be able to give people a first step on how to be better. It's not to air out just your dirty laundry or for you to come up here and talk your business. It's about to say, what can I do for young men like you who are angry to say, how can you be better? But because you're defensive, and you've admitted it, you're not allowing people in.

No.

So we do know one thing, first of all, is that this relationship needs to end. We'll start there. You two need to learn how to co-parent, but unfortunately you both need to end this. Deonna, look at me. I know that you had a relationship with this young man and that y'all were sweethearts in high school, but this relationship has been fractured from the beginning. But I will tell you this, if you can break up and stay broken up and start working on yourselves and find yourselves, it'll be the first step you'll have in actually getting the lives that you both desire. And I'll tell you one more thing. The hurt you're feeling and the anger you're feeling, it starts with grieving the life that you both thought you should have had. I'm gonna ask you both, would you like therapy in your young ages to start speaking to somebody who can help you to figure out what you're feeling and to help you take those next steps. Can I say something? I just wanna answer that first. Would you like therapy? No, 'cause it's not like, okay, can I say something? Deonna, would you like therapy? You would like therapy. Deonna, that was a smart move. And Jamari, what I'm gonna do is after you walk back to on stage, if you change your mind and you say to yourself, you know what, actually I wanna take him up on that offer, that offer stands. I'm not saying no, but it's like y'all just skipped past how I feel.

Y'all just went straight to how she felt. Y'all didn't say nothing about me.

Lamar, we've all heard how you felt.

Okay, well please speak up.

You've actually dominated this conversation. You've actually dominated this entire thing. When you watch this back, so you're in a place in your life because of the fact that no one's heard you. You do a lot of this, ah, no one gets me. No one understands me. I did hear you. No one hears me, but everyone has been listening to you. We've all seen you and I've acknowledged your pain. And what I did to acknowledge your pain is offer you. So what I'm gonna tell you, on top of you grieving the life you had, you gotta stop saying to yourself, no one around me sees me, no one wants to help me. Because the more you keep doing that, the more you're gonna keep yourself in a victimhood that's gonna keep you down. Now that's a responsibility you have to take. Honestly, that's a responsibility you have to take. I'm offering you that first step 'cause that is the first step to talk to somebody who's going to listen. Somebody, I'm supposed to be talking to you, right? But you don't even understand me. You know what, so this is the thing.

And it's funny, that's the problem.

I want you to hear this one thing. I want you to hear this one thing. Do I have 10 sessions to give to you to really talk to you? If I did, it would work, but we don't. So that's why, what have I done? I've offered you someone who can give you those 10 sessions. Who can talk to you and can listen to you. I understand my place here. My place is to give you a first step. Your place is to take that first step and then grow through your life, okay? So I thank you both for being here. I'm sorry for what you've been going through, and I hope that this first step helps both of you to start healing. You made it worse.

Well—

You made it worse. I really do hope that you take that first step step, honestly, because I do see a brighter future for you. But that step starts with you, not with me. This is not what it is. You can have a healthy relationship. When you think of a partner, what do you think? Somebody saying I love you, somebody who doesn't argue with you. Yeah, that's out there. I had my first you can find love and success and happiness. This is not where it ends, but you have to make the choice. He's not ready. Are you ready? Give me a hug. Good luck, okay?

I feel like my 13-year-old daughter, Kasiyah, basically tried to kill me. I have sickle cell anemia. I was born with it. Sometimes I'm hospitalized every other month. Month, every other week. It's like been one of the worst things to happen in my life. I had previously got my medicine filled. I woke up the next day and I could not find them nowhere. So I'm looking, I'm looking, and I couldn't find them. So I called my daughter Kasiyah's school and I'm like, you know, describing the jacket that I had them in, asking them could they call her to the office. She walked in that office with my jacket on. She didn't have the pills. They wasn't in my coat. So I'm like, where my stuff at? She like, I don't know. I don't know. What you mean you don't know? You got my jacket that they were in. How you don't know where they at? I took her to a police station when she kept denying that she didn't have the pills. She wouldn't even tell the police officer what she did with them. This whole time I've been going through pain, My doctors won't even give me another prescription because I had just got it. I suffered for going on almost 3 weeks. I went in her room to go search for what was missing, and I'm throwing stuff out her closet, and I threw a shoe. I heard the pills rattle, and I found them in the shoe. I can't believe my daughter did that to me. I can't believe she was the one who took my medicine. Feel like she was just watching. And let me suffer. I'm going back and forth to the hospital. And then, like, you know, with the previous behavior, she's been stealing, she's fighting in school. I'm getting calls every other day now from the teachers. She's 13. I've been a good mom. She knows right from wrong. If she doesn't open up to Karamo, she'll be out my house in a group home, boarding school, boot camp. Something.

Listen, we'll meet Laquita shortly, but let's start with her 13-year-old daughter, Kasia, who is backstage and did not watch that tape. So everyone, please welcome Kasia.

Hi, Kasia. How are you? Good, how are you?

May I have a hug? Nice to meet you. Thank you for being here. It's very brave of you to be here. So, Kasia, let me just confirm. How old are you again?

13.

So your mom is trying to say trying to send you to a group home, I heard.

Yeah, because she trying to send me there because she say that I be stealing and it be snacks and that I be taking out the house and she calls that stealing.

Okay, did you steal your mom's pills?

No, I took the jacket to wear to school 'cause it was cold outside and I ain't know.

Okay, okay, I hear you. So when your mom came looking for the pills, what went through your mind?

I got nervous 'cause she came to my school with a belt and I got real nervous. Anytime I get in trouble, it's like she yells at me or I always get in trouble for something and she brings up old things that I thought we had got past and she still brings them up today.

Like what kind of things does she bring up?

She'll get mad because like, I took some money or something like that. Like, she'll get mad over little things.

Have you taken money out?

Yeah, one time. Uh-huh. Because me and my friend, my friend's always paying for me for stuff. So I took money to pay for them.

Got it. So it was like $20? Okay. Do you get in fights in the school?

Yes, I only got into 3 fights last year because they kept messing with me, kept bullying me. They put their hands on me and my mama told me if they put their hands on me, I could hit them back.

What were they bullying you about?

Like they say, they bully me about my mom and my father. I'm musty or my hair always not done and things like that.

So why do you steal those things? I heard some of 'em is because you're trying trying to help you wanna like pay so your friends don't have to pay. But why else do you think you're stealing?

Really because my father passed away and they say things about him.

When did your father pass away?

When I was young, like real, real little.

Okay, I'm sorry. So how do you feel about your mom?

I love her.

Yeah. Yeah. Why you getting emotional right now? What's going on?

'Cause I love her, but then I don't want her to be mad at me all the time.

Yeah, I hear you. I hear you.

Here you go. I hear you.

Oh. Well, I think it's time that we talk to your mom and hear Lakita's side of the story. So everyone, please welcome Lakita to the show. Hey, how are you doing? Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you too. So how do you feel about what you just heard?

That's not the total truth.

Okay.

And I do give her chances before I get upset to tell the truth about the things. And just recently, like coming here, she stole money from me out my wallet, you know?

Did you steal money again out of her wallet?

That's what I was saying about the money. And she had got upset. She gave me a chance to put it back. So she said if I put it back, I won't be in trouble. So I put it back and I still ended up getting in trouble.

So how many times have you taken money?

Once and then once when I was little, so twice.

So twice total, okay. Is that true, Mom?

That's not true.

How many times do you think she's taken?

Anytime that I'll lay some money down and I don't pay attention, if I don't pay attention, she will get it. She's even taken from her little sister. And I feel like that's going too far.

You told my producers that you said that your mom, when she said put back the money, you said if she don't, she'll kill you.

Yeah.

Is that what you said?

I could have. Yeah. Being upset because it was just from her going to my room to grab my wallet. I understand. By the end of the hallway, She had took the money out.

Yeah. So you mentioned this is Kasia's last chance. What do you mean by that?

Yes, because I don't wanna put her out, but she has to go. It's a lot of stress on me.

Kasia, why you feel like you can't ask your mom for money?

Because she won't give it to me. Mm-hmm. What I ask you to do to get your money her stuff. I only asked her to do her chores. Mhm.

How long were your pills missing?

They were missing a month.

A month?

Yeah. I had family members trying to help me get medicine so I wouldn't have to go into a withdrawal. I'm having sickle cell crises, and she's seeing me have these crises. And the whole time they were in my house, in her room. And like I said, you know, I wouldn't have got so upset if maybe she would have threw 'em somewhere and I would've been like, maybe I misplaced them and found them. But she didn't do that. They were in her closet. She watched me find them. Mm-hmm.

What do you want from Kasiah now, right now?

I would like for her to open up to you to find out how we can help her because I'd rather have her in the house than out the house. But if that's what I got to do, I'll do it because I don't wanna see her fail. That's my child. I can't see her fail under me and not do nothing about it.

Yeah, I hear you. Kasiyah, is there more to this story about the pills that you're not telling your mom?

Yeah.

Okay, you ready to tell your mom now? What's going on with the pills? What happened?

Her jacket was right by the basket by her door. I was putting it on, we got to school, she come to my school with a belt upside down. She said, "Mad." So I'm getting nervous. She getting people talking and stuff. And then one time she go in my room looking for something totally different and find them. So I was like, "Yeah, I took it," 'cause I was scared. No, you didn't. I didn't tell you that. When you seen me find them pills in your closet, you still said you didn't know that they was there. You denied it all the way up till I found them pills. In front of you.

Why did you take 3 weeks to tell your mom?

Because I was scared, 'cause I already knew she was gonna get mad at me.

You scared of your mom's reaction?

And I understand that.

Yeah, I get it. How did you feel when your mom had to go to the hospital?

I felt like a whole bunch of guilt.

Did you know she had guilt about that?

I know. No, 'cause she didn't express nothing. She just kept denying it.

Yeah.

I didn't know that she felt like that.

Were you sorry?

Yeah.

Tell your mom right now. Talk to her. You got to open up to her.

We all— we got— Mama, I'm sorry. But you know I love you to death, because, like, it don't got to be like that. I will listen to you. But Mama, every time I do try to open up to you, you always blame it on the stealing. You always say that. You right, 'cause that's what I'm used to. You right. 'Cause Mama, the reason I lie is because your reaction. It just be a lot. And then you already know at school I get bullied. And yeah, sometimes I do get bullied about you. I'll tell you about my father and sometimes I'll come home and you don't even know. You don't tell me. And you know I have your back 100% when it comes down to that. I gotta get you outta that school.

I mean, I'm gonna tell you this. You know you have a good little girl.

I do.

She is. But if I can also be real with you, You're, I'm listening to this and there's a lot of things at play here. Hearing that a young woman lost her father at such an early age and also knowing a mother could also be sick, hearing her talk about guilt and those things, there's a bit of this that is also about like abandonment. I'm gonna, as afraid of losing you as well.

What if I lose my mom? Somebody else told me that before that she's afraid of losing me and has lost her father as well.

It is, it is. But I'm gonna tell you and I'm gonna say this I'm gonna go the next step for you because even though you're here, when you react a certain way, she feels like I'm losing her again. And again, you're stressed. I get it. I get it.

And I go through that a lot of being overwhelmed.

You're allies, not enemies.

You're allies, not enemies.

I wanna do this for you because I could see an easy solve for this. And a first step solve. You're a kid, so I know you're not gonna ever stop making mistakes. You're allowed to making mistakes. But if you make a mistake, can you promise to your mom that you'll tell her the truth the first time? And if she reacts—

I make a promise. If she tell me the truth, I will not react. You tell me the truth the first time, I will not react. I promise you. I promise I'll tell you the truth more.

But now this is big. If she reacts, okay, I want you to have a little code word, okay? You pick the word right now and this is gonna be the word she knows I'm getting scared. This will be you as the adult to say, oh, okay, I know that she's getting nervous. When she gets nervous, she shuts down. What's that word gonna be?

Love.

Love.

Oh, that's cool. That's a perfect word.

So anytime your mom, You feel like her reaction's getting too much, you just say love. We've been there. And I also heard you when you said that you got made fun of stuff like your hair not being done. I heard the things about snacks. I got it. Listen, I grew up in a house where like we needed support, okay? So what I wanna do is I'm gonna offer y'all a gift. I'm gonna go ahead and give you some money. So take off the weight off of you, okay? I'm gonna give you some money so y'all can, you can get groceries, you can get her hair done, you can have a little extra money in your pocket. I'm gonna go ahead and give you also some money that y'all can like have a quality mother-daughter date together. I want you to walk away not only having this but having a little something. Thank you. Because I know that's part of the stress as well.

Thank you.

Okay? How do you feel about this?

I feel better.

Can you hug your mother? I'm so sorry.

I'm so sorry.

This is a first step, but y'all gonna be all right. Y'all gonna be all right. I gotta ask first, what does your mom mean when she says you try to break into the house?

Yeah, she called the cops on me or whatever.

How many times has she called the cops on you?

Way too many times.

And it's all for trying to come into the house after curfew?

Yeah, well, most of the time, but sometimes I don't like.

Okay. All right, how old are you? 18?

Yes.

So did she let you back in?

No.

She didn't let you back in?

No. And that's when I tried to break in and I was banging on the window and it was just like, I don't know, I couldn't get back in. And so she called the cops and I ran from them and then I hid. And then I, you know, she was on the phone with me while the cops was at the house and she was telling me to come back and come grab my stuff. And I was like, no, I'm not coming back because I'm thinking like it's a setup. Like she gonna try to get me locked up, you know? So I'm like, no, I'm not coming back.

So you think your mother would actually try to set you up to like get you locked up when she, 'cause it sounds like she was saying to come back.

If she calls the cops on me, yeah, I'm pretty sure, like, you know?

So where did you end up staying that night?

Outside.

Outside, okay. So was this the first time she Has she kicked you out?

No.

Okay, how many times you been kicked out before?

Multiple times.

And where would you go?

I don't be having nowhere to go first, so like I would just try to find my way around, you know, text my friends.

And so let me just make sure, 'cause you know, like I'm gonna hear your mother's side of the story as well. So it's just for missing curfew or there's other behaviors?

There's other behaviors. Disrespect, not listening, but.

Okay. Disrespect, not, 'cause I wanna hear from your own mouth. What do you think? Why do you think your mother did it?

And I could take accountability of my actions and mistakes for myself, you know?

You smoke weed?

Yeah.

Does your mother agree with that?

No.

Okay then. And what time is curfew?

12.

12 o'clock, okay. When you would get kicked outta the house, you would still go to school?

Not all the time. I would miss school most of the time because I had to worry about where I'm gonna shower, where I'm gonna sleep, you know, stuff like that. And I didn't really have clothes.

Yeah, so you had, you didn't really have clothes.

It was embarrassing to the point where I just stopped going to school.

Are you in school now?

No, I'm currently trying to get back in.

Okay. I heard you got into an argument last night with your mother. What happened?

So basically I went to the liquor store I grabbed something to drink.

Were you grabbing liquor?

Yes.

Or just like a, you grabbed like some liquor?

Yeah.

Okay.

And so she got upset because they didn't ID me or whatever. Like she literally left out the store. She left me. We is in a whole different state. Why are you leaving? Why would you leave me? Like that's not right at all.

You think your mother likes you?

No.

You think your mother loves you? When was the last time you heard your mother say I love you?

Probably like before I turned a teenager.

Well, I wanna hear what your mother Nina has to say about this situation. So everyone please welcome Nina to the show so we can hear her side of the story. Hi Nina, thank you for being here.

Thank you.

Yeah, so how do you feel about just what was just said?

She lying.

She lying?

Yeah.

Okay.

I'm lying about what? Damn near everything.

Tell me what.

You try to act like a little angel when you really a little witch. I wanna call you a bitch, but you know.

So you think she's a witch?

Yeah.

Okay, are you worried about her whereabouts when she goes out?

No, I don't, 'cause she doesn't care that I care. But you are overprotective. I don't understand. You were a teen once too, so why? But I was nothing like you though. Okay, but I'm my own person. I'm my own person. I'm my own person. Okay, and I understand you're your own person. I don't have to be like you just because you weren't like that. And I'm not saying, okay, and I'm not saying that you gotta be like me. When you were younger, I don't have to be like that. I'm my own person. I understand you're your own person. I'm not saying that you have to be anything like me. We're two different people. Yes, that's true. But the thing that I want is respect from you, okay? I need you to open up more. So you don't feel like she lets you into what's going on in her life? She doesn't. I don't understand why. She knows that I'm very understanding. I don't snap and just have attitude just to have it, you know? But it's just like, I don't know what's wrong with her. But why would I tell you anything if you don't like me? You always tell me you don't like me, that you hate me and a lot of stuff. Yeah, I don't like her because she's nothing like, like I said, we are our own person.

What happened last night from your point of view?

Oh man, okay, so, you know, we're visiting here, you know, She wanna sit up here and roam around or whatever. So we decide to go to a store. So we ask a couple of gentlemen, well, she asked a couple of gentlemen, "Where's the store at?" So they lead us there. It's two different stores. They're not too far from each other. She wants some alcohol. I'm like, "I'm not doing that." So she just standing there like she's looking for me to get it. I'm like, "No." So I walk, I'm gonna move around. I go to another store and then She come back with a bottle. How dare they have the audacity to even sell to her? She's only 18, she's a minor. But once again, it doesn't really matter, to be honest. It do matter, it does matter. How do you know you're not grown, but you not 21 though? Yeah, okay, but still, it don't matter. It does matter. I can, if I wanna drink.

Did that turn into an altercation?

It did.

What was the altercation?

And then she got upset because I left. I'm the type, I'm not gonna stay around, you know?

So my producer tell me that they printed something here that they want me to read that's about y'all altercation last night. Bro, where you at? You doing too much. How you mad 'cause I brought liquor with my money and you was AirTV drinking? And then Mom, you said, "Bitch, don't text me." And then you said, "Bro, Ian doing shit to you. You left me, what the fuck? I came out here to the store and you nowhere to be found. Yes, you walked back to the room. What else am I to do?" Okay, so why do you say to your daughter, "Bitch, fuck you?" Because for one, she is, and y'all ain't in my household to even know how she is, okay?

For two, she have no right to even be trying to perk it, purchase alcohol.

I hear you, I hear you.

You know, it's attitude this, attitude that, disrespect this, disrespect that towards me when she don't get her way, you know? And I can't stand that.

Okay, so what, so let me go back to the house stuff. So why not let her back in the house?

She dressed too sleazy for me. She's disrespectful. That is jealousy. That's not jealousy. That is jealousy. That's not jealousy. Why can't I be comfortable wearing my own clothes? Okay, but that's not jealousy. You came from me though. You came from me. I wear what I wanna wear. That's not jealousy, honey. You came for me. How am I to be jealous? Exactly, so why can't you uplift me? Why can't you tell me that I look pretty and be one of the girls I wanna be? Because a woman should be covered, not dressing revealing or sleazy. We should cover ourselves. Really? Really. Really? Bitch this, bitch that. I don't call you a bitch. Don't say nothing. You have, you have.

You say she's not old enough to drink, but you think she's old enough to sleep out on the streets?

So now I'mma— okay, look, so now I'mma say this, Karamo.

I know, I'm listening.

She is very disrespectful, okay? So with me not being that way, that's hard for me to take in, okay? So I'd rather, yeah, give her the boot, she can go. Sometimes she leaves willingly, sometimes she leaves willingly, she don't even care, you know? So it's like, okay, go before something escalates to something dangerous.

And I can tell your upbringing influences the way you treat abused a parent because in your house, it was a strict household. You did certain things and you had to follow those rules. And so you feel like because she doesn't do that the same way you were raised, it's disrespecting those things.

I got you, I hear you. Yeah, I expect respect.

So what are you hoping for today?

Just for her to respect me more, open up more. I need her to open up to me more. She doesn't open up to me enough.

You want her to let you in.

Why would I open up to someone who doesn't like me? You right, I don't like you. I love you, okay, but I can't stand you. But at the same time, I don't feel the love. I don't feel the love. You don't feel the love, why? 'Cause you don't be around to feel the love. You're not a family-oriented person. You rather rip and run the streets, okay? Be around doing this, doing that. Selling this, selling that. No. Selling what? You know what. Drugs.

Okay, Mom, Mom, Mom, Mom, this is the thing right here, Mom. Here we go, okay, and this is real, and I'm gonna use your own thing. You want your daughter to let you in, but you keep kicking her out. And that's point blank. Hold on, let me just, let me hear me out. 'Cause you know, I stayed silent, I listened to everything you said. And I agree, your child, has been disrespectful to you. So let me just say right then and there, I don't even want that to be a question. She came out here and the first thing she said, "Yes, I've been disrespectful. Yes, I don't listen. And yes, I have missed curfew." She admitted to all of that. So everything you said, she's admitted to, she knows. But on this stage as well, while she's admitted to that, you have told her that she is a witch, that she is sleazy, that she is, these are your words, she's bullshit, she's nonsense, I don't like her, I don't care about her whereabouts. She's not family-oriented. I can't stand you. When I asked you about her sleeping on the streets, you totally went right by that. You said to something else. She just turned 18 a couple of days ago.

Hear me out.

Hold on. Hear me out now. Because y'all know that my career was based in child protective services. And at the end of the day, this is a child.

That you put here. Okay, but you don't act like child behavior though. If you gonna sit up here and act grown and go up Go out there and be grown then, okay? That's not how life works.

Let me tell you real quick, hold on, hear me out. That's the type of train of thought that is breaking our families apart. Just because you acting grown, you go be grown. She's not grown. She is a child that was sleeping on the streets, that felt too dirty to go to school. And if your daughter ended up dead and the police came to your door, They're not gonna say, "We found this adult woman." They're gonna say, "We found your child dead in the streets." Let that sink in for a second. Do you wanna meet her halfway and start to correct this behavior of how you talking to her? Allow her a chance to be a child, believe that she could be a child that can grow, model the proper behavior. Can you do that?

[Speaker] Of course, yeah.

[Speaker] Tell her.

I'm willing to compromise and work through things if you're willing. If you can't and you won't, then it's no need for us to be around each other. And you know. And you know that because you know how you are and you know how I am.

So I've opened the door for you to mend this relationship and I've asked you a couple times to walk through it. And unfortunately I see it's gonna take you some more time to walk through this. What I wanna offer to you right now is if you really want support in getting back into school and figuring out how to do these things, we gonna figure out how to help you get back there. And Mom, I ask you to watch this back and listen to what I'm saying and then watch your own actions, okay? Because your daughter took a step on this stage and you did not. These people are telling you, okay? I know you frustrated, But it can't be this many strangers who don't know your life lying to you. We have tried to help you to see what could help you mend your family. Watch this back. But in the meantime, while you're figuring that out, we got your daughter, all right? All right, stay with us, Fred. We'll be right back with more.