Toxic Family Love Triangles! | KARAMO
In this episode of Karamo’s talk‑show, a tangled web of romantic betrayals, family rivalries, and parental concerns unfolds. A woman (Melissa) confronts her partner Travis about alleged cheating after a TikTok tip, revealing she is pregnant and has two young children. She also worries about her brother’s failing marriage. Karamo brings the couple’s phones on stage, unlocking them to search calls, texts, apps, and photos. The investigation finds no direct evidence of sexual contact between Travis and Jessica, but uncovers a Tinder app on Travis’s phone and a large cache of nude images received in the past four months, leading to emotional confrontations. Parallel storylines involve siblings (Sylvia, Lawrence, Tyler) accusing each other of flirtations and breaches of trust, and a mother‑daughter conflict where the daughter suspects her mother of an affair with her husband. Throughout, Karamo mediates, urging boundaries, honest communication, and apologies. The episode ends with several participants acknowledging wrongdoing, setting new boundaries, and some deciding to move on or stay together, while the phone evidence provides partial vindication and new tensions.
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So why do you believe, 'cause this is a jump here, why do you believe that Malik is your brother's child? I'm sleep, I'm old school. I'm sleep, you supposed to be sleep with me. Am I right? I don't know about that. It's 11 o'clock. They downstairs drinking. But it's your brother.
My brother.
I went to sleep before I had my partner outside with my sister and my dad. My brother's a full-fledged hoe.
He'll fuck anything.
If she open her legs, he'll jump in it. So why you downstairs drinking with my brothers if you know they sleep with each other's women and they sleep with each other's women?
My mom was downstairs. My mom could not have walked from upstairs to get downstairs.
She was upstairs in her room. So then why aren't you, 'cause your wife said that you're mad with her but not your brothers, so why aren't you mad with your brothers if you think that this about your brothers? This is why, 'cause I know my brother's a hoe.
I expect more from my wife.
Did he believe the entire time you were pregnant it was someone else's baby?
Yes.
The entire time.
And then she used to tell me, I was like, "Hey, I wanna go to the doctor's appointment." "I don't want you to go. It's not my baby yet." Yeah, 'cause I was like, "What's the use of going now? I'm halfway through my pregnancy.
Why go now?" I tried to go in the beginning and you pushed me away.
No, it wasn't.
It wasn't in the beginning that you pushed him away? She pushed me away. I said I went like my other child.
He didn't wanna go.
I went to all the appointments and I was there. He didn't wanna go. She told me no. So from your perspective, were you all intimate from the time that the child was conceived?
No.
You weren't intimate during that time?
She don't deserve my sex. Wow.
Whoa. I'd rather, like I said, I'd rather walk through that door like she walked through that door.
No, like, I mean, I don't have a problem. The thing is, like, me and Xavier, we did have sex before I got pregnant. That's why I thought, like, you know, when I found out, I thought I got pregnant in November. Found out it wasn't November, it was December. That's what made him, I guess, think like, this don't add up. Like, we just left California, that don't add up. I'm like, oh, Okay, Xavier. And I was like, we had sex when we made it home from California. He was like, no we didn't, no we didn't. So it's like he put these things in his head and he hallucinate.
How do you feel about it? I'm not trying to be disrespectful. You know how we did it? I went out that night.
You didn't, you don't even know that.
I hope he, I was with somebody else.
He lying.
Out with who? She opened that door for me to walk through, so I walked through it.
So what you mad for if it was your brother baby? Why you so mad?
I just wanna know if the baby mine or not. So you are admitting that in this recently, like within the past year, you cheated and you're blaming her for, you said she was right. No, no, this how it happened. We talking, she talking to another man on the phone in front of me. So I'm thinking you want an open relationship. Let me walk through that door.
That was years ago.
Do you two love each other? How can I love an unstable creature if I can't trust you?
I don't love him.
You don't love him?
I have love for him, but I'm not in love with him. All right, okay, okay.
Do you like each other? Huh? I can't stand this heifer. No. You can't stand her? Man, I wanna throw the ring at her head.
Wow.
Unstable creature is for the streets. No, you fucked up. They unstable. Well, I wanna hear what your brother William has to say about all this. Everyone please welcome William to the show. How you doing, William?
How you doing?
Good to meet you. Y'all both fly. So what did you think about what you just heard?
I don't see why you accuse me. She's not my type. This my brother's wife.
When did you first learn that your brother believed that you were his son's biological father?
Man, probably— I don't even look like him. Probably 2 weeks ago.
2 weeks ago you heard that?
From my mom, to be honest with you.
Oh, so this has not been something where he's been accusing you the whole time?
No, he been accusing me.
He's been accusing you of saying that somebody else is, and then 2 weeks ago you decided that it was Will? No, I really think it's Will. Why? I guess he afraid his brother to tell him. Will walk around with his shirt off. I'm gone, Will in the house. What the fuck y'all doing? The camera's off and all that. What are y'all doing? Did you ever sleep with women that he dated in the past?
No.
Never. You never did?
Who?
Will. Xavier, do you have a toxic relationship with women?
Yeah. Who, me?
No, I don't got no toxic relationship with women. Have women broke your heart? I heard your first love. Nah, I'm gonna tell you the first person that broke my heart was my mother.
But other than that, it's just the stuff they be doing.
If I show you the text messages, what was going on?
And what did the lady do to break your heart? She took care of you. You said every day, weren't you? You ate, you did everything. She broke your heart.
How'd she break my heart? She didn't give me the love as a mother. Certain things I needed from her as a mother.
And I guess that would crush him and like he really cared about that. I guess he don't wanna skip you 'cause his father was like that.
I ain't had no father. We ain't had no father.
And when this test come out, I need an apology 'cause I'm not that daddy. I'm not the baby's father.
I wanna fight you, Steve. What do you hope for Xavier and Hope's marriage?
I hope they get counseling.
I want a divorce.
'Cause they need it.
You want a divorce? Yeah, if the baby not mine, I don't wanna work with no unstable creature. Then she for the streets, throw that bitch back.
And if the baby's yours? Yeah, if the baby's yours, then you on child support and I apologize to y'all. I'm not gonna put you on child support.
He said this, hold on, 'cause I'm gonna ask this. He said if the baby is not his, he wants a divorce, but he's calling you an unstable creature, he's doing all these things. If the baby is his, do you want a divorce?
Yes.
I hope she do 'cause I'm gonna sign them damn papers.
I have already issued the papers to him, he didn't wanna sign 'em.
There's a lot going on here. It's back and forth with the way that—
And I have gave him divorce papers.
He's like, "I don't like what it say about my child." I don't want the divorce papers 'cause I said, "Look, let's go make sure the child's mine first." If it's mine, I'm gonna sign the papers. But the papers say if the child's yours, you have no rights to see the child. Got it. So if this is his child, are you willing to walk away?
Yeah.
I'm damn near walking away still. Oh, okay. I'm going back to the streets 'cause this has been toxic. You can see that.
That's what he is. I'm thrown in the middle of it for no reason.
For no reason. 'Cause you only got thrown in the middle of it 2 weeks ago. Well, you got to get downstairs at 11 o'clock, you and her.
I can drink with somebody. How many times I drink with your women at 11 o'clock at night? How many times I drink with your women?
You know why? Insecure. That's your woman. Rule one, I should not be in my brother woman face.
Why?
It's not me being insecure, it's me respecting you as a man, because I should not be in your friend's face. I don't want them to think they can get some sex from me. It sounds good.
But hopefully when your friends come over, you have her do stuff for people though. Thank you. So you got to get— so if that's the case, you should say no. You will call her and tell her, hey, go pick my brother up. Hey, go get me—
drop my brother off. Can you take my brother to the store? I never told y'all to take the bill street. I never said what.
No, you talking about bill in general. Do you have her do stuff? Do you have her do stuff?
Do you have her do stuff for you?
Yes.
Now hold on, hold on, hold on. Have you had her drop things off to your brother? You tell me go get the car. It's the lifestyle we was living. It's the lifestyle we live. Answer the man's question.
Ask him, do you have her do stuff? You call the phone, you say, go take Will the car. Can you take Will the car? My brother use my car.
I gotta tell you this, no matter what, at the end of the day, we need the DNA truth. And we have the DNA outcome right here that will tell you, first of all, if this is your child or not. I wanna see it 'cause I really don't think.
Xavier, if you open that envelope, we're done.
Okay, hey look, we done no matter what 'cause I really don't think I'm the father. Xavier, then here we go. Don't even open that envelope, we're done. I'm gonna open it. Walk away 'cause I wanna know. What is it?
I apologize.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
But at the end of the day, you can give her this ring 'cause I don't wanna be with an unstable creature. I'm gonna go be free and go to the streets. Thank you.
Now you the wrong one in this thing, bro. You wrong, that's your son. I'm done. You're wrong now.
I'm gonna go home. It's fine. I'll tell you this.
I'm. I'm very. I don't think you should get a divorce this early.
No, no, no, no, no, no. Don't give that advice. Don't give that advice. Don't give that advice. Don't give that advice. No, no, no, no, no, no. I have witnessed this for almost 35 minutes. And when I tell you this right here is that this is one of the unhealthiest relationships I've ever seen on this stage. Thank you. There's delusion, there's paranoia, but there's also a lot of abuse. Verbal abuse. The way you all talk to each other, that's not a healthy relationship. I'd rather call her unstable creature than a B. I gotta tell you this right now. Both are equally bad. First of all, to call a woman a creature is just disrespectful. Yeah. It's synonymous with when you call somebody a B-word, you're calling them a female dog. Women are not that. She's not a creature and she's not unstable. From our point of view, the one who has been unstable because of the parent is you, unfortunately. No, but look, she make me unstable. Like I said, if you read the text messages— No one can make you unstable.
Unstable.
You have a choice of how to react. You have a choice of how to react. And my reaction is I don't think the baby was mine and what, I want a divorce. I'm gonna tell you this, I'm very happy that she wants this to be done and I'm very happy you want it to be done. But what I will tell you is that now that you have these answers is that your son needs you to be there and be the best father, but also to respect his mother in front of him. I do that with my other child's mother and I put myself on child support. I'm not saying you're not, I just have to give you the advice. I just gotta give you the advice. But I'm gonna talk to her how I talk to the other ones. Which is respectful? Fuck bitches, hell no. What the fuck?
Sorry, I'm from California.
We don't respect hoes like that. Now if you're a queen, I respect you. A queen and a hoe is two different things. But you're not giving kingly behavior, so why anybody gonna respect you?
Why would I give her kingly behavior? You can't call her a hoe, you married her. You can't call her a hoe, you married her.
A real king, and I'll tell you this, because with my son's mother, I've said this a million times, we don't see eye to eye on a lot of things, but one thing I would never do is disrespect that woman in front of my child. Would never. I would never disrespect her publicly, period. I would never disrespect her because at the end of the day, her choices are her choices. But what the choice we made together was to have a child, and I need that child to see me be kingly so that he acts like a king in his own life. So you do the same. Okay, you right. I'm just wishing, I'm telling you, do the same. You right, you right. You can break the cycle. You can break the cycle. It's up to you. Anyway, I wish y'all the best of luck, all right? I wish y'all the best of luck. Please stay divorced. I mean, please keep it divorced. Man, it's done.
It's done. Please keep it. Xavier has disrespected me for the last time. My family don't like him. I should have been let him go. And I'm done with him. Yeah, if he don't come pack his bags, I'm gonna pack it for him. After this, I'm single, healing and working on myself and worried about me and my kids.
Have you cheated with his family members?
Never.
His friends? Never. So why do you think he thinks that from your point of view?
I don't know. I never— 'Cause he told me about your daughter saying, "Mommy's kissing somebody upstairs." Yes, that part, I really, when I say I do not know what my daughter was talking about, 'cause I texted him around 1 something, he never responded back. So I went to, you know, the kids went to sleep, so I had went to sleep too. I put the baby to sleep and I went to sleep.
Yeah.
End up, Right, like 3 o'clock in the morning, he calls me, he was like, "Shawty, come get me." But you know, once you already had so many drunk calls like that before, you think it's something about to go the wrong way or whatever the case may be. So I heard like females and everything in the background and—
But I told you who those females was.
I told you who those females was. I'm not saying anything about that. In the mix of him stating that, he basically was like, I was like, "Jalen, you know you got the car or whatever." He was like, go hang up, say, oh, this bitch gonna say I got the car. So when he said that, I'm looking like, okay, I'm not even about to interact with him, argue with him.
You said that?
I put the phone down.
You did say that? I did, yeah, I said it, I said it.
I put the phone down and I went back to sleep. When the next day came, I woke up around, I could say about 10, because my friend was actually calling about him, so I'm thinking something that happened because he did not come home. So when we actually got on the phone, she just telling me what she was calling for and I'm like, oh well, he's not here, whatever, try to call him.
Always worried about what I'm doing.
I could be anywhere, her friends always worried about what I'm doing. You put on a show for 'em.
I put on a show for anybody. Well, she said that your friends caused a lot of suspicions too. I don't see how. How does your friends cause suspicions?
She wouldn't know, 'cause let me tell you, she wouldn't know 'cause we don't club together. When I'm out at the club, her friends would be behind the scenes recording me, doing all that, sending it to her. Oh girl, we got him, got him. When my friends see her out, they don't say nothing to her. They don't bother her or nothing.
They wanna record me. They wanna fight me 'cause I'm talking to another female.
They're females.
But that makes sense though. Because you didn't just say, And I'm being fair here, I'm not taking nobody's side. You didn't say, well, I'm at the club and I'm dancing. You just admitted, I'm talking to another female. So why wouldn't her friends record you and wanna fight you? That makes complete sense to me. If I'm out and my partner's friends watching me talking to somebody else and I'm doing stuff, they gonna be like, look what your man doing. Those are your words. You said you with another girl. You're right, but the same thing is I knew people before I knew her. Okay, so you're saying they don't know everybody. You're saying these are not romantic?
No, no, no, no. It be body language. All up on him, hugging around him. He got his hand around her. It's body language. Everybody knows body language. And when he drinks, he gets a little loose and he gets sloppy. Yes.
You shady for that.
All right, all right.
Not the wiggle with it. Not the wiggle.
All right, wait. It's like, okay, like when my friends see her, it's always, you know, what's up, Shawty, da da da da.
Even if they see her talking to another male, they don't just automatically, they mind their business. Is she on these other men though? Like with body language?
I was told before one time that she was in the club kissing on somebody she used to mess with.
Okay, so both of your friends are saying.
And he waited to tell me that 'cause he was like, I ain't wanna tell you because I ain't wanna start nothing, but I see what she doing to you. So it was like, you know what I'm saying?
Yeah. I'm gonna ask you this. You have 3 children together. Is he a good father?
Yes, he's a perfect father.
Excellent father.
Mm-hmm.
Great, that's good. So if we're hearing, and this is a sincere question, that he's cheated in the past, he's had 3 pregnancies, 1 resulted in the child being born, why do you stay with him?
Because this time when we actually sat and talked to each other, he was facing—
She don't want nobody else to have him.
Whatever. We actually sat and talked to each other. He did explain that he was gonna come back and do what he was supposed to do. And I'm not gonna fault him, he did. It just came in when my daughter came and told him that, the rest just came from, I don't know where.
And how long ago was that?
March.
March. So since March, the speculation he's gonna come back.
Since March has been hell. But can you blame him for why I question him?
No, if my daughter told me somebody, if my son told me, The person I'm talking to or my partner is upstairs with somebody else, it's always gonna be a seed of doubt. So it makes complete sense. She walked me to the room. To the room. Yeah, I get it. I get it, I get it. Well, we unlock both of your phones. What do you think we'll find? Do you think we'll find out he's cheating still?
He probably, I figure he is.
Why though? Why?
Your insecurities. Why? Your insecurities. And your mouth.
What will you do if you find out he is cheating?
Mm-mm.
What does that mean? I don't know what mm-mm is.
Nah.
Does that mean you're gonna leave him?
Yeah, I can't.
I don't know why I don't believe you.
Oh, no.
Do y'all believe her? All right, if you believe that if she sees something in the phone, she'll leave, clap. That's 3 people.
No, you need to clap.
Okay, so well, I think it's time to unlock these phones and get to the truth of this matter. All right, so WeChat, we checked Sade's texts, her calls, DMs, because Jaylin, you have some specific questions. Jaylin, you want to know if Sade is texting with 3 specific people. My Unlock the Phone investigator checked her text message and found she is telling the truth. She is not in communication with any of those people at all. Jaylin, you wanna know if Sade is calling the 3 men in question. Sade says she is not. My Unlock the Phone investigator checked her call logs calls past and present and found she's telling the truth.
There's no calls as well.
Jaylen, you want to know if Sade is messaging other guys via Instagram and Facebook. Sade says she is not. My unlock the phone investigator checked her DMs and found she is telling the truth. We went through her entire phone and we're looking for anything that could be suspicious and your woman is not doing anything but loving you. All right, well Jaylen, it's time for your results. Are you ready? We now know that she, we all know that she was clear. We checked your DMs, your photos, your texts. Sade, you asked some very specific questions as well. Sade, you wanted to know if Jaylen is exchanging DMs with any other woman. Jaylen says he is not.
He is.
My Unlock the Phone investigators searched his DMs and found that currently he is telling the truth. Shaudae, you also wanna know if Jaylen has photos of other women in his phone. Jaylen says no. My Unlock the Phone investigators searched his phone and found that he is not telling the truth. He has 15 photos and videos of different women in his phone. One is sexually explicit. Sexually explicit and one of him dancing with another girl.
That's the one I caught, but what he doing? His daughter actually had the phone and she walked it to me and as I seen it, but I handed him back the phone and I asked him.
This is the dancing photo with the girl? Oh, these are sexually explicit photos?
Uh-huh, panties and bras.
Okay, so you've seen one of 'em but you didn't see the rest of them? Okay then. Well, Sade, you also want to know if Jaylin is texting other women. Jalen says he is not. My Unlock the Phone investigator searched his texts and found that he is not telling the truth. We found text conversations with 3 different women, one of which he says he wants to be in a relationship with her. Can you please pass me the evidence bag? This is, this is very telling. So I'm gonna show you this message because the thing here is it says, "Yeah, you right. I really love the fact that you understand because it's not easy for me to walk away from this 10-year relationship, but," and he just keeps going on about the relationship they have. So you're thinking, you're talking to another woman and wanting to get outta this relationship.
Well, he out of it.
There you go.
That ain't me.
That's not you?
That ain't me. That ain't me. You heard she said my daughter had my phone, right?
If your daughter is texting like this, we got a big issue. I mean, let me be real. Jaylen, you turned this relationship into a game and you just played yourself.
I'll take that.
You did. The thing of the matter, the fact of the matter is now you know she wasn't doing anything. You've been doing a lot of these actions of trying to check up on her because as we all know, guilty conscious. So you've been doing your thing, you're talking to other people, you've had relationships, you've had tons of indiscretions. I mean, but can you blame me though? You know what she tell me? I can blame you.
Nah, you know what she tell me?
I can blame you.
Do you know what she tell me though?
What? Go talk to another female, I don't care. Get out.
I don't care.
I get tired of hearing it.
When you constantly keep hearing that you're messing with somebody's brother or you're messing with somebody's friend, it just to the point, it's just like a buzzing bee that's just sitting in your ear. You just like, just go. Like, if you wanna go mess with somebody, go ahead.
Both of y'all have grown apart a long time ago. You should have said to her a long time ago, you know what? I am young and I'm not ready for a monogamous relationship. So I asked you before, if we found anything, are you gonna stay?
And— Mm-mm.
No, sir. You're done. You're done now. I pray that's the truth. Y'all are young and you still have a chance to actually be honest with yourself, with each other, and find people who are gonna love y'all the way y'all deserve to be loved. You got your answers and I really hope y'all stick to this and break up from this relationship. Wish y'all the best of luck.
Thank you.
I really do. So you think your boyfriend and your mother are cheating and that they have the, basically the audacity to then go to his mother's house?
Yeah, I think that she wouldn't tell on him if he was doing it.
Has he cheated on you in the past at all?
Yes, I found a condom in his mother's car that he was driving that was used. And I also found a condom in his bedroom in the garbage and they were both used. And I mean, it hurts, it hurts really bad, you know? Especially if you will lie to me about sleeping with somebody else and not tell me the truth, then you are obviously lying to me about my mother too.
Yeah.
I never took her out on a date, a coffee date. I never got her number, even though she say the number's in the phone.
Did you hit on her? Did you hit on her mother?
You know, last time I hit on her was at the beginning.
So that's a yes. Yes. This is the last time.
Last time I hit on her was at the beginning of our friendship. No, that's not true. When she just brought her around. And when she just brought her mom around, she was always telling me how beautiful her mom was and how much everybody always want her mom. So I'm like, all right, you know what I'm saying? So we were still at the beginning of our relationship, of our friendship still, and she brought her around and I was like, yeah, she cute, whatever. Then next thing you know, she kept trying to— He's my boyfriend, you're supposed to say she's not cute. Yeah, I don't know what everybody's thinking, she ain't cute. Yeah, she wasn't, that was the whole point. We were just friends still. Nothing from friends, 'cause we was friends for—
You saw my mouth was kind of open during this, 'cause the way you just talking about this so casually about hitting on your girlfriend, Mama, is just blowing my mind.
I'm telling you. I wasn't hitting on— See, it's a difference.
Does she hit on you?
Yes, yes. No, I never was. She always say that. Yes, she does. She always tells him how good he looks. He smells good. It's a compliment. Look at you. Look at you looking all nice today. I like the outfit on you, or your hair looks nice. She always, always, always, always. Compliments. All it did have been compliments. And from the beginning, I really think that she still had a guy she was talking to. She was still free.
So you thought she was trying to hook you up with her?
Yeah, yeah, I thought she was trying to hook me up with her. And she was single, we was single, and soon she started crying after I said that to her mom. And I looked at her, I'm like, oh baby, I did not know you liked me like that. I did not know that you wanted to take it to the next level. I did not know you felt that way about me. I'm like, you know what, baby? I would never do that to you.
I think it's time we meet Rosie's mother, Toni. So welcome Toni to the show.
Thanks.
So just to let you know, the reason it's like this, this is not an error. Your mother has refused to connect. Remotely.
Mom, why will you not show your face? I mean, you can hear your voice. We already know you're my mom. Everybody knows you're my mom that's gonna see this. I just don't understand it. It doesn't make sense.
But I will say this. I think part of the thing that you're wanting, and please tell me if I'm right, I'm just connecting dots here, is you want her to show up. You just talked about it earlier about about how your childhood was. These are the reasons I was pointing these things out is because there's become a pattern of, I need you to show up. I need you to tell me, I need you to reassure me, I need you to know, and you're not getting it. And so there's a pattern here of, here it goes once again. I'm having insecurity, I feel alone, I need my mom to show up. And the decision in your mind only reinforces what you've been feeling.
Absolutely.
Talk to me a little bit about that.
Absolutely, you're 100,000% correct. Cracked.
Yeah, yeah. Because that fire, I hear the statements of you're a firecracker, but I always tell people here, when people say firecracker, where they say this is drama, I hear pain. Yeah. Toni was supposed to be here today to tell us her side of the story, but she has declined to be on camera. And now we're gonna unlock the phone to see if there's been any interactions between you and Rosie's mother, Toni. How do you feel about unlocking the phone right now?
Oh, that's like my diary, you know? My journal, my wallet.
Is there anything written in it that's going to show us that you have been having a relationship with Tony?
Oh no, there's nothing like that in there, completely.
Okay. Well listen, it is time to unlock your phone, Karamo. Are you ready for these results?
No.
You're not ready? Well, here we go.
Okay.
All right, so we went through your phone looking for photos, text messages, and calls. And when it came to photos, we found 2 photos. You received a sexually explicit video of a girl in December of 2022 and a topless photo last month. The reason these are important is because I asked you if you were doing anything and you said once it became official, in your words, in November, that you had done nothing since. So these were in December and last month. Thank you so much.
I don't even wanna see 'em.
You don't wanna see 'em?
No.
Okay, I understand that.
I wanna see 'em.
You wanna see 'em? Well, they're from your phone. Please don't show the audience.
Okay.
So one is a topless and the other one is a screen grab of a woman pleasuring herself.
Come on, come on, come on. Oh, okay. Wow. Yeah. All right, doc. Okay. That's— Yep.
Well, those are in December and last month.
It was saved in the archives, wasn't it?
No, no, no, no, no.
Ah.
No, no, that's not from archives. No, no, no, no. No. All right, well, let's continue on.
It was—
Well, listen, we also went through text messages. When it came to text messages, we found 3,656 text messages. That's a lot. Rogly, you specifically wanted me to check conversations with your mother and two other women. And the investigator found one woman who we'll call L, who there was 2,993 texts from, 71 messages with the word love in it, and— You called her funny 41 times. You also told her yesterday that you can't wait to be free. Then there was 663 texts with another woman, we'll call her Jay, he tries to get attention from, but she doesn't give it back to him. But you do consistently say, "Hey, what's going on? Hey, how we doing? Can we do something?" And these are all within the time period of your asking since November. How do you feel about that?
Disgusted, but I already knew what it was. I already knew. Set him free. To free myself.
I love you too, baby. I gotta get away from the psycho. I miss you, I love you. These are text messages that he sent directly to the other woman.
This is what they wanted. That's from the L? Hmm? That's from L?
That's from L. It's okay.
That's from L. It's okay, thank you. All right. Thank you.
So if this is your best friend, why would you say these things? This is supposed to be your love.
That's love, baby.
But you also earlier said—
That's love, baby. That was love. She's psycho. Hey, that was love, let me tell you.
She's psycho?
Yeah, yeah, it was love.
I fucked out. So because I'm confused because now you're saying she's psycho, but 15 years, why are you staying around someone who you think is psycho? Why are you now in a relationship with someone who you think is psycho?
Don't let her fool you. She like, she steered me on. She basically, what they was called, played games on me. Are we done?
She run games on you.
She played games on me. She run games on you. Interesting.
But when it comes to calls, we found one call which was interesting. It was a video chat with the first woman, Elle, that was just yesterday. So you all arrived here Yesterday, correct?
Yeah. She was asking about this show. I should punch you in your face. She was asking about this show. I should punch you in your face.
I will tell you this. We did come here for your mom and we scrubbed through the phone.
Nothing.
And—
I'm sorry, Mom.
There was no calls between your mom and Terrence.
Is that all the questions? Can I go?
That is.
I never said, I never said— All right. That's fucked up.
I will tell you this, you have some explaining to do because it's one thing for you to, it sounds like y'all were in a friendship where you both understood each other. You both were allowed to do what you need to do, but you were still having casual sex as consenting adults. But then when you decided to say, I'll commit to going further, and it sounds like you made that choice Not because you wanted to, just because, I don't know why, but I think that was where you went wrong. You should have said, let's keep it how it is and not go further. Because now what you've done is you've sullied a friendship with someone who you've had in your life for 15 years.
I've been there for her through thick, through thin. And she ain't telling y'all her side of the story. She making me look like this, but I'm not the bad guy.
But you got the show, we not making you look like this.
I know, that's what I'm trying to say. She's trying to make it look, Like I'm the bad guy. No, you was the bad guy. Then I was the good guy that fell in love with the bad guy, you know? So it's like—
But even regardless, if you're saying she was the bad guy before, you should have just stayed as friends. Yes, exactly. Because that way you didn't have to go, there would be no bad guy. You're friends both making your own decisions. And that's all I'm saying to you.
Yeah.
I do wanna go talk to her in a little bit. Thank you so much, Cena, for being here. Let me go talk to Rosie really quick. So I am extremely, extremely, extremely, extremely sorry.
It's okay.
I mean, I appreciate it. Because, you know, no one wants to find that out. He has his own point of view about how y'all were in the friendship and you heard everything I said to him. I think the thing that's bigger for me is that I do wanna figure out how you can start healing. Because the one consistent piece of this is that you have a lot of anger in you and you have a lot of sadness in you. In you from the choices that were made and the positions you were put in as a little girl. And outside of this, for me, you two, I probably will end up being friends again. You two will be able to figure out how to keep going forward 'cause I don't feel like you're gonna throw away 15 years. But what you need to start practicing and figuring out is how to heal this relationship with your mom.
My little fling buddy, which I didn't know, like when I, My fling buddy was his cousin. But I was with his cousin for 4 years. I wasn't with him, but that's been my fling for 4 years.
Did you know they were cousins when you met?
No.
Okay, you didn't know.
I went to a Halloween party and the only reason I was at the party is because of my fling's mom. I cooked a lot of the food and I told her I wasn't gonna come. She said, "Girl, you cooked all this food, you better be there. It's a Halloween slash birthday party." Yeah. So I just went just for her.
Yeah.
My fling was there with his girlfriend, which they all, we all know each other. I be at their house. It ain't like it's no, you know.
It's what it was.
I'm a realist.
It wasn't intentional that you did so. It was never. It was like, I didn't know that that was your cousin.
It was never intentional.
And you and Quincy moved fast.
Real fast.
Yeah, so it wasn't even time, like you had time to be like, oh my gosh, I just realized it's your cousin, let me tell you. You just said no.
And that was that.
So have you ever cheated on Quincy after that?
Never. I mean, so it was just you and him. Never, never. I only known the boy 6 months. He ain't even given me a chance to cheat.
Please welcome Quincy to the show. Hey, how you doing?
Hey, how's it going?
Welcome to the show, sir.
All right.
Good job. Take a seat. So you heard what Tequila had to say backstage. What do you think?
You know, I'm tired of the lies and you know, when my mother asked her a question about a family member, She didn't ask me a question, Quincy. She said, I'm talking. She ain't ask me no questions though, don't lie. She asked, do you know this certain person? This is our family. No, she didn't. She claimed she didn't know this person. Ooh, you a liar. But later down, it came out that she was dating the person my mother asked's son, which is my cousin.
Okay. So you think that's how she lied to you? No. Because that's not her recollection of the story.
No, it's not.
So, but how do you also say she's manipulating you? How?
It's not. Because it was before my time. It didn't really matter 'cause she stated they wasn't in a relationship, but just dealing around.
So if she said that they weren't in a relationship and it was before your time, why do you feel some ways about it? I'm sincerely asking.
He insecure. It wasn't nothing to hide. You should have a woman. He wants me to go and tell every dude that I've talked to, oh, I'm with him now.
Is that what you wanted? Do you want us to—
No, it wasn't like that.
Okay, tell me what you want.
It goes like this. I wish my phone was out of order. I deleted all the women numbers out my phone 'cause I could've kept my women too if it was like that. That's your— You all got friends. You all got friends. They not friends if you had sex with 'em and in a relationship with 'em. That's different. So you telling me everybody that you deal with that you gotta be hateful and despise when you're not dealing with them because you dealt with them, you shouldn't be friends with them no more. That's grown women stuff. Why you choose all the men you dated and had sex with to be your friends? I don't choose nobody. How do you know who I had sex with, Quincy? Because you told me. Who do I have sex with, Quincy? But we not here for that. Who has a key to my house, Quincy? It's not about a key.
Have you heard other rumors about me?
You go out and do your thing. You not that stupid.
Have you heard other rumors about you?
You with me every day with your little flamboyant ass. Oh, you get missing too now. You get missing. Where I get missing? When we argue? You get missing for hours. You get missing for hours. I wish you could have a thing that's every time a lie, they buzz. You know what I'm saying? Like real stuff. Something should buzz in his booty. Just like that.
Well, listen, I wanna know, what else do you think she's lying about?
It's been situations where a guy came to the house. And I let him in. And what did I tell you? I'm talking, he's talking to me. He's talking to me. Did I tell you who he was? He's talking to me. See, that's why you go corny. That's why we can't be together, 'cause your mouth. No, we can't be together 'cause you're insecure, gaslighting, manipulating, narcissistic Karamo.
Yes, uh-huh, come on, talk to me.
A guy came to the house, right? First, this my son's uncle. So I see his face, I start laughing 'cause I know him. So he came in, they talking back and forth and this and that. So then I said, "Man, do you know me? I'm from such and such." He said, "Oh, my bad." So the first thing came out her mouth, "I ain't fuck with him." You lying.
So when I looked, I said, "Well, ain't nobody asked that question." So do you not like her having male friends?
Nope.
What is your problem with that?
Insecure. I don't got no problem with that, but why you choose all the men you had sex with was in a relationship to be your friends? You saying these your friends now 'cause I deleted all my women friends.
So do you think she should be deleting all her friends?
No.
Her male friends?
If you had sex with 'em and was in a relationship with 'em.
Mm, okay.
What you holding on for?
Okay. We're actually gonna be unlocking both of your phones right now.
Why you put your hand on the Bible and lie? You need to get on your knees and pray. Stop lying.
So Quincy, we're gonna go ahead and unlock your phone first. When it came to apps and you talking to anyone, we did found zero results. When it came to text messages, we found zero results. When it came to DMs, we found zero results. And when it came to photos, we found zero results. So from what we have found, you've been faithful in your relationship.
I ain't hide nothing.
So Tequila, we went through your phone as well. So when it came through text messages, there was a text exchange between you and his cousin but it was completely platonic. Yes. Completely platonic.
Yes.
Now when it came to photos, we went through your phone and there was several photos in your phone. There was 4 different photos in your phone in the last 6 months of different women. We didn't see any text messages with them. They were in lingerie and in seductive poses.
Where?
Can I see the photos? I guess so. This one.
Where? She a good actress. Where lingerie? See, this is what I was telling you. Let me show 'cause that ain't in my phone. This is what I was trying to tell you. Oh! This is before him.
Okay.
What you talking about? This is my, this is my. So what are you talking about?
Okay.
Try me again. Man, I ain't come here for all this, man. I told you all these lies.
She gotta excuse me. We have one last thing. One last thing. You need to take a seat for this one because this was the most important one. So I went back and looked at the text between you two and they were nasty, mean, and disrespectful. Disrespectful in nature. I wanna go and pull up the text message that I found.
Boy, talk about, I thought you was gonna find those.
So you're a liar, kick rocks, I hope you die.
Me, me.
Yes, I get it. You're just insecure, bitch ass. So when I see these type of messages, I just think there's so much hurt and disrespect here. We obviously see this is toxic in nature. Your worst fear happened when you opened up to this man who you loved. And that's why you're triggered. I understand where the abusive language comes on. It's not right.
It's not.
The thing is that I know about this is that even though the communication, the language is very disrespectful, she has been upfront to you. And I think that—
She ain't been upfront.
I went to the phone, we went to the phone. And so the things that you were concerned about and things you weren't concerned about, we searched for. There was no other men that she was talking to. There was no interactions with guys that were sexual.
Did she bring two phones or one phone? 2.
2 or 1?
And 1 is a game phone. It's not even on, Karamo. He think it's on because, you know, you got— when you have social media, you know, when your kids call you and then it rings, you can do that, uh, what is it, Google?
Sure.
But this— I got my phone synced, so whenever my phone rings on my regular phone, it'll ring to my game.
So, Quincy, are you trying to—
I come for the guy.
Are you trying to—
you're not telling the truth.
You want to stay in this relationship or are you trying to stay? Because either ways—
I'm done with it. Bye. Bye. You look better gone. Tell him to get my ring back. This is why, listen, this is why I think—
No, because I wanna take a moment because even though this is, 'cause I brought up that line for you for a reason because I know you would've had the strength to leave this. I already know you did, but you opened yourself up and I know women like you who are very strong and have to do it on their own. And I'm sorry.
I'm in college.
Yeah.
I got 3 kids, 3 grandkids. I'm 46 years old. I beat cancer. I just wanna enjoy life.
I get it.
And I can't do it with him 'cause he's too busy worried about other people who not fucking involved. Oh, did you tell my cousin that we're dating? I don't have to.
But this is what I want you to know.
We're not in a relationship.
This is what I wanna know because I understand the things you're going through, but what I want to leave you with personally is that I'm sorry that you got into a relationship that couldn't give you what you want, especially when you opened up and were vulnerable for the first time. Because I know how hard that can be when you've had to have a wall up and had to guard yourself and had to protect yourself your entire life and you give yourself and at that moment someone then betrays it.
And it's like I was just getting to a good place in my world.
Yeah.
And I'm like, yo, I'm not going home where I could be with my son to go lay up here with you and this is what I'm getting for it?
Yeah. But I want you to understand this. There is still the love you deserve out there. And I know this is gonna—
Well, where it's at, Karamo? 'Cause I'm not getting no younger.
I know, I know.
And I'm not a bad person.
You're not, you're not.
I'm not, I work hard.
I know.
And I love hard. I know, I know. And it's just like, dang, this make a person regret even loving anything besides my kids. Like I told him.
I heard it. My only thing for you is just to remind yourself to take it slow next time.
I always take it slow. That's why I said—
You tried something different this time.
I tried something different and look where it got me.
But even though this has gotten you here, I just wanna make sure you don't leave this stage feeling like I gotta close myself back off. Because I think every single one of us here have been thoroughly entertained. We've also all fallen for you. We can see your personality, we can see your truthfulness. We can all see it. We can see it, right? Y'all can see it. And I just don't want you to close yourself back off because you met a man who couldn't meet you where you were. You're gonna find the one, I promise you.
I hope it's before I'm dead.
It is, it is, it is, it is. It will be. You don't need that type. I know you're strengthened and you said earlier, I gotta be the woman and the man. I want you to feel like you can just be you.
So I had asked her a couple times like, you know, what do you and my father got going on? Like, y'all playing too much. And then she'll be like, we ain't doing nothing. I feel like it's gonna affect us really bad because like, I share my hot chicken wings with you, but I'm not sharing my daddy. So—
well, listen, we all know that there's two sides to every conflict. So I think it's time to meet Janaye. Janaye, come on out. How do you feel about Kiki's accusations?
Fuck Kiki accusations. 'Cause first off, why do you think that I'm messing around with your daddy? Because you mess with men that's the same age as my daddy, so of course. But Kiki, we're family, we're like sisters. Why would you ever think that I am messing with your dad out of all people? Why would you think that I would ever cross that line? Because why is he sending you money then? Why is he paying for you to get your car fixed? Maybe that's something you need to ask your dad.
Well, do you think you've ever acted inappropriate with Kiki's dad?
Yeah, I feel like I have.
Okay.
Just 'cause I be drunk and I just be having fun and we just play around like that. Do I do that to your daddy? You never been around my daddy. It don't matter, but I wouldn't do that.
Okay, so we heard that when y'all at the barbecue, You know, y'all got the kiki, the ha ha. How do you think that affected her? You said y'all sisters.
I don't think she care. Well, I didn't think she care. Why would I not care? I don't know. That's a bit much. I mean, you didn't say nothing until like later on. And to be quite honest, I'm dating somebody right now anyways. Because after I start seeing him cash snapping you and stuff, money, of course I'm about to start asking 'cause now I'm putting two and two together. Okay, well, he did Cash App me money, but he did it out of the kindness of his heart. But I never slept with— We're living in 2022. I never slept with your dad. What man you know that's about to sit up there and send money to anybody he ain't in no relationship with and he ain't messing around sleeping with? Let's be real.
So does Mark text and call you?
He only did that one time looking for Keke 'cause she wasn't answering her phone.
Got it. So he sent you money for car repairs. Tell me about that.
Well, Kiki dad always been like a very generous guy. He'll look out, like he does that for anybody, not just me.
Does it upset you that Kiki is accusing you of this?
Yeah, it's upsetting the fuck outta me. Like I'm very upset. Like why do you think that I'm trying to use your daddy? Because that's what you do.
Okay, well Kiki asked you to unlock your phone so that I could see if you have ever contacted her father or had anything. And you agreed, right?
Yes.
Okay, cool. It is time to see what is in your phone. We checked your phone and we're looking to see if there's any interaction between you and Kiki's father, Mark. Are you ready, Janaye?
I'm ready.
Are you ready?
I'm ready.
Okay, so when it came to text messages, we found zero suspicious texts between Kiki and your father.
Okay, okay.
When it came to locations on apps, We found zero suspicious locations.
I love you.
And DMs, we found zero.
And we found zero photos.
Okay, okay, okay. Your father's contact information was not even in her phone.
Okay, okay, okay. I'm sorry. Nah, nah, I'm mad. I'm mad. All right, I'm sorry. I'm mad. It's good to erase them, but okay. We ain't got trust no more.
Hold on, but we do have a bit of a ping that's come in. Kiki's dad is actually here with us today on video chat. Mark, I wanna welcome you to the show. So I understand that you, there's something you wanna say to your daughter.
Yes, I do. Kiki, you need to stay in your own lane. What? You need to sit. You and your sister always, you need a woman, you need this, you need that. We gonna find you a woman. Right, your age? Okay, well let me tell you, in 2017, me and Janay, we was going out. We did a couple of walks on the beach and I took her out to dinner, seafood.
Hold on, Mark, are you saying right now that you did have a relationship with Janay?
A platonic one.
So Mark, I know you're a player from the old school, but walks on the beach ain't platonic. When did this happen?
In 2017. I wanted a relationship with her. But Kiki got in the way. What? Yeah, you got in the way.
So there was a seafood restaurant. Tell me about that.
Oh, we went out and had like a nice little dinner and talked.
Did you kiss?
Yeah, we kissed a couple times. And on Thanksgiving, when you seen her sitting on my lap, I was playing Santa Claus.
And she was trying to tell me— When did you get your phone?
I got that phone in 2018.
2018. And so this happened in 2017? So that's why we couldn't find anything. Okay, so Mark, have you ever sent Janay money?
Yeah.
So how much money have you sent Janay?
Like $500 or $600. And that's a lot of money. Two times.
Two times. So almost $1,200 has been sent. This was your fears, Kiki, that she could be using your father just like she used other men because she's got $1,200.
Exactly, that's what I'm saying, exactly. And look, you falling for it.
So why didn't you tell your daughter, Mark, the truth?
It's none of her business. Okay, but that's still my best friend. She is not about to be my stepmother.
Well, I think the bigger question is here that Kiki, Janaye said nothing happened. We thought nothing happened 'cause we found on the phone, but clearly you've kissed her father and received money from him, the fears that she had. Is there anything you wanna say to your friend?
No, 'cause I tried to put that behind me. We both tried to put it behind us. Oh no.
Come on, Janaye, you've now been caught. Is there nothing you wanna say to your friend? If you say she's like a sister, your twin, there's a moment here that you could salvage this relationship. Because what happened is that— Yeah, I already did. Her issue is that there was no honesty. And if she's looking at you right now, Mark has already told us now, y'all have kissed, y'all went on dates, there's been money. Can you be honest with your friend now?
I mean, all we did was kiss. It wasn't like I slept with him, Kiki.
Don't be defensive. Talk to your friend.
Are you using my father? No, I am not.
I'm trying to make sure you can salvage this friendship because I do believe that you feel like this was your friend, your sister. You don't want us to look at her and say, "Hey, I'm sorry." I do wanna say I'm sorry, Kiki.
I'm sorry, Janey. But you probably ain't gonna trust me after this though. I'm not. That's why I didn't wanna tell you. Exactly. I can't, mm-mm. Y'all both, if this gonna continue or y'all won't have something going on, y'all can leave me out. I would've said it to you if I could. Leave me out of it. No, you could have not, Mark.
Mark, I appreciate you coming on the show, giving us clarity, so thank you so much. I think you need to do some work with rebuilding your relationship with your daughter because at the end of the day, even though you are the father, This is your daughter's friend, and I think that transparency would've made this a lot easier. And so I think it's important that you model that behavior for your daughter. So thank you so much, Mark, for being here, but I need to talk to you two now alone. What is your reaction to hearing all this?
I'm shocked because I mean, I kind of figured something was going on, but it was like I didn't wanna believe it because these are two of the most important people in my life. So it's like, you know, Believing her and then he's telling me something else for the first time is like, it's shocking. 'Cause I really thought that she wouldn't.
Are you mad? Did nothing.
Yes, I'm mad as hell. Feel betrayed for sure. Like especially 'cause we talk about everything. So even if it was to happen or something, I'm shocked that you didn't even come to me and talk to me about it.
Yeah.
I was afraid of this, your reaction. That's why I kept it to myself.
The trust has been broken now. And this is sad 'cause I heard how you were talking about her. I could see that you love her and I can see that's your sister.
Key, it only happened one time. Only one time. I never slept with him. But he said that he gave you money twice. Because he wanted to help me. I didn't ask him. He was asking about what was my financial problems. Well, you was telling him your problems. So if you telling him your problems, Then that means that you needed some help. So that's basically asking. No, we was just having a mutual conversation and he offered to help. So I'm like, oh, okay. Okay.
Kiki, do you think you can rebuild this trust with Janey? Or is this friendship done?
I don't know if I can build this relationship again because once you'll lie to me one time, you'll do it again. I think I would lose my mind if I ever lost you.
Do you believe this?
So hearing her speak seems like She's speaking from the heart.
I'm gonna tell you, for moving forward, it's gonna take her some time to rebuild the trust. If you really want this relationship, you don't need to be defensive. Don't make anything and say like, well, you know, like it was in the past. Just say, I know I messed up and be as vulnerable as possible. I do trust everyone admitted that you didn't sleep together and I think that's a big thing. That's great. You know what I mean? Because I think that would've been maybe a breaking point for you. But the fact that you just got a little money, You was playing, yes. She already knew that he was a hustler. So I think she was already aware. It's just the point of you keeping a secret. You keeping a secret is the betrayal for her. And you already knew that.
Yeah.
So do the work.
Do you forgive me?
What was your relationship like with James' sister Melissa? Because that's the person who started this sort of rumor.
We've always liked each other as far as I know.
So have you ever been alone with Travis in any way that could make her think like something's going on?
No.
Never been alone with him?
No. When we're in the same room with each other, I don't even make eye contact with him.
All right everyone, I think it's time to hear from Melissa. I'm actually gonna walk backstage and talk to her really quickly. He cheated on you before?
With my best friend.
Oh, okay. Why do you think that your brother's fiancée would be someone, I know that he cheated on you before, but why would you think that it would be her?
'Cause they are like back and forth sometimes. Like the way they act towards each other sometimes. You can tell they flirting with each other. And I wanted to know the truth.
But she said she's never flirted with him or been in a room alone with him.
I just wanted to know the truth. If it is, I'll apologize to her.
Yeah, what did you see on TikTok?
There's a girl on TikTok, she's a psychic, and she said there's something going on towards them. They can't tell me why. And I ask questions. I ask if they have sex together and they said yes.
So now to give this context, my producers told me that the first time Travis cheated.
Yeah, they told me he was cheating.
You went on TikTok to this person and she directly told you, "Your man's cheating." Yep. So you went back a second time. Second time, and she said, "He's still cheating." Got it.
And, you know, he been in my kids' life. My daughter's 6 years old, my son is 2, you know? It's not gonna only hurt me, it's gonna hurt my babies.
Yeah, I understand that.
'Cause they look up like their dad's what they need to be.
You're pregnant by him, right?
Yes.
Yeah.
And I don't wanna be in a relationship by myself again with a baby.
Yeah.
I've been in a relationship with my 2 kids Forever.
Yeah, I understand. If he cheated on you the first time, why didn't you leave him then?
I can't, I've been with Travis 10 years.
Why did you stay?
We broke up for a while and you know, his mom passed away, his stepdad and his sister and he didn't have nobody. So I gave him another chance and I hope he said what he said to me All the time, no, I'm not cheating. I wanna marry you. I wanna be there for you. You know, I don't want somebody to marry somebody that they cheated on me.
Yeah, I hear that. But you brought your brother into this now 'cause your brother is in pain and his marriage is on the rocks. How does that make you feel knowing that like your brother might be losing his relationship too?
'Cause I love my brother to death. Me and my brother do everything together. So I wanna be there for my brother when I know something's wrong. There's nothing going on.
So you're like trying to protect him is what you feel like?
'Cause he don't pay no attention, Harley. You know, he wanna be Travis' friend and he wanna marry Jessica, but why he wanna marry somebody or me marry somebody if they cheating?
So what do you think I'm gonna find when I unlock their phones?
I hope nothing. If it does, I'm gonna tell Travis it's over today.
So you'll be leaving?
Yep.
Okay. I'm gonna ask you one last question before I go back to stage. Do you like Jessica?
I love Jessica to death, like a sister. I lost my sister. I look up to Jessica, but I can't be Jessica's sister-in-law and be like what we supposed to be doing, put makeup on, if I know she cheating with my boyfriend.
Got it. Listen, I'm sorry for what you're going through. I really am. I really am. But I'm glad you brought them here today so we can unlock the truth to this. So I'm gonna bring your man out and then I'm gonna unlock these phones, okay? Stay put.
Thank you. At times when I don't come home at work at certain time, she thinks I'm cheating on her. Mm-hmm.
I did before in the past and she holds that on me. Got it. How long ago did you cheat? 'Cause for the record, you're admitting you did cheat before? Yes. Okay, and how long were you together at that point when you cheated? About a year ago. A year ago? Yes. And how long have y'all been together?
2 years this time.
Okay, so— But it's been 10 years on and off. So 10 years on and off, this time you've been together for 2 years, and a year ago you did cheat? Yes, and she holds that towards me and she keep on accusing me, people at work, Jessica, Every time me and James go out to town, she thinks me and him going out doing something with another woman. Yeah, how often do you and Melissa argue about the situation? Constant. And what does she ask you about Jessica? She asks me, have we been talking? She thinks we floating 'cause we coughing and she thinks that's a code. Oh, so she thinks when y'all are together, and you call for something that it's a code. Yes. Yes, she does. Okay, got it. I understand. She even accused me of her mom, sleeping with my mom.
Yeah.
That's a big accusation to say my man is sleeping with my mother. It's one thing for the fiancée and like you're similar in age, but to say that you're sleeping with their mom? Yeah.
Yeah, my mom's tired of it too.
Your mom's tired of it as well? Yeah. Yeah, so Travis, why did you agree to unlock your phone? 'Cause I got nothing to hide.
I'm willing to take, to do whatever it takes to keep my woman and my kids.
So I'm gonna ask you direct. Have you ever once slept with Jessica? No. Have you ever had any sexual interaction with her?
No.
Have you ever kissed? No. Have you done anything? No. Okay, I'm asking you that clearly because I have the outcome of unlocking your phone. It's right here.
There it is. There's the unlocking.
Woo! Everything's gonna change when we read this.
We unlocking them bad boys.
Yeah, is there anything you think that we're gonna find? Anything at all that you're worried about?
I don't think there's anything to say.
All right.
Okay.
Well, here's the outcome. So Jessica, we unlocked your phone. We went through your phone for any calls between you two. We went through your phone for photos between you two. And we also looked for any apps where you all could be communicating. Those are the main things that Melissa is worried about when it comes to you two interacting. So when it came to phone calls in between you two, we found zero. When it came to any suspicious photos between you two that could have been shared, anything at all, we found zero.
Woo!
But now when it came to apps and any suspicious behavior between you two, We found zero.
Yeah. Yeah. I told you. I told you.
I also have the outcome of your phone, Travis. And again, we went through the same thing we needed to go through. We went through phones, photos, and apps, and it was zero, zero, zero. How does it feel to know that your wife is not doing anything with your best friend?
Oh, a hell of a lot better.
Mm-hmm, yeah.
Yeah, I just, I appreciate everything you did for me.
Yeah, how does it feel to be vindicated to know, yes, your name is cleared?
A lot better.
Yeah.
A lot better.
Yeah.
Now maybe me and Melissa can be friends.
Mm-hmm, now there is some paranoia that Melissa has going on. Yes. And I'm gonna talk to her backstage when we can be calm and we can talk about it because that paranoia and the lack of trust that she had in you from whatever situation is causing a bigger issue.
I don't know that she's insecure with herself 'cause, well, I'd done it before.
Yeah.
And I was, you know what I'm saying, on drugs back then.
Okay, you were on drugs. And I've been clean.
And like, I was wanting to restart with her, and like, but she still holds that on me.
Got it. I understand. You were in a different place back then. Yes. And I get it. It's the same man. The trust is still broken for her. So in her mind, she's scared that it's gonna happen again. Especially also she's pregnant with a child right now. I understand there's even more vulnerability of like, I'm nervous. Will I have a family? Will I be hurt during this? This is the reason why I didn't ask her to be out here because I don't want anything to trigger her ever feeling as if she's gonna be in danger that could hurt the child or her. But I think that there's gonna have to be more honest communication of you saying, you gotta trust me. And I think y'all gotta set clearer boundaries of this is what I will do, Melissa, to show you I am here with you, that you can trust me. And then you follow those boundaries and that's how it starts to work. But you as her brother as well, you gotta start letting her know, sis, no more of this.
Oh, I done, I told her backstage a minute ago, I said if it comes back to they ain't talking and if y'all, y'all can't, you two can't get along, that's fine. But I want them, everybody to be in the group happy.
Yeah, I hear that. Time to get a family back. Travis, come backstage with me. We're gonna go see your wife. So you heard the results. He might have cheated before in the past, but as the accusations with your sister, your future sister out there, nothing has happened. And I know that you're probably hurt from those accusations, but you gotta stop making them because they're gonna hurt you and they're gonna hurt your family. You understand?
Yeah.
Like for him, you to even accuse him of sleeping with your mother and those things, you gotta deal with that.
I accused him one time of her.
I understand, I understand. But even one time is too much. Can you respect the fact that now the results have shown that he has not cheated on you?
Yeah, but he had to show me some more.
Do you think that you crossed a boundary in that moment in the house?
I don't feel as though that like I do sexual things in front of Lawrence. I don't, I don't.
Is that true?
I feel as though I don't. She does.
You think she does?
I've never danced in front of him. You was dancing on the table yesterday, standing right in front of him. Just because you're not bent over twerking, you're standing there twerking your butt while he's right there. I wasn't dancing on the table, I I had my phone in my hand. No, I wasn't. Your butt was against the table and you were shaking your butt. Definitely was not shaking my ass. I wasn't doing that though. I'm sitting behind the tables behind me and I got my phone in my hand. I'm listening to the music. Of course I'm gonna vibe out. I asked you in the room, I said, yo, you trying to dance a little bit? Because like we had parties and that made me uncomfortable as well. My boyfriend is in the room. Why would I want to dance with you in front of my boyfriend, bro? Is this Is this like any type of dance that's sexual though? It's not. No. It's not, it's not, that's all.
How does it make you feel that she doesn't want you and Lawrence to be friends on Instagram?
I mean, I'm totally cool with it. I don't wanna be his friend either.
Got it. 'Cause you're saying since there's nothing going on, you're like, I don't need to be in you, your cousin's most important.
Yeah, for sure. Like, I don't wanna talk to Lawrence. What do I wanna talk to Lawrence for?
So Santa, why does Sylvia feel like you cheated with Lawrence? Lawrence then? I get it, you danced in front of him.
Maybe, maybe.
I get it, but she said that you didn't, you know, the social media, but there has to be something else.
I mean, we were at Sesame Place one time and she told me, she pulled me to the side, we was about to get on a ride and she was like, oh, I seen him looking at you. I seen him touch your butt with his foot. I said, hey yo, I ain't even feel that, John. I swear to God. Like at the end of the day, like I'm not here to hurt you. I'm not here to do nothing. I don't do nothing like that. I'm here to show my loyalty to you.
So she put on your butt and you said you didn't feel it. Did you see it?
She said she seen that joint.
What did you see? Tell me.
I actually just said that because I just wanted to see what she was gonna say. It's cool. I'm gonna stay in my mind though.
So you actually didn't see it. You just wanted to see if you could catch them in something to see if like she's gonna say something.
Yeah. Mm.
All right. I asked Sylvia this question earlier and I'm gonna ask you again, Sylvia. What's on line for you right now if I unlock their phones and you find something?
My family.
Yeah?
Like, and my relationship with my cousin too. It's rocky right now, but I still love her. Like, I just wanna make sure like there's nothing going on.
Got it. All right, Sylvia's boyfriend Lawrence has been listening backstage and we need to hear his side of the story. So Lawrence, come on out. How you doing? So Lawrence, good to meet you. Nice to meet you too. So you cheated on Sylvia?
Yeah, in the past.
And have you cheated on Sylvia with her cousin? I'm gonna ask you directly.
Hell no.
Yeah, you said that you cheated on her in the past. When was the last time you cheated on her?
About a few months ago.
Santa, is there something that you want to tell Sylvia about Lawrence?
Yeah, so one day I was like going through my story and I caught you in my story. Oh, well, my girl be looking on her page sometimes. She got her blocked on my Instagram, so I don't know how that even came across. If it was, it was my girlfriend that did it.
Is there anything for you, because he cheated on you once before from you said, is there anything that could break this relationship?
If they were sleeping around or if he has done something within the past, you know, since we officially like made things right, it's been a couple months, like 4 months or 3 months.
So since 4 months, in the past 4 months, everything before 4 months is forgiven. But if there's anything within the past 4 months, that's where you're like—
That's where I'm like, okay.
All right, listen, when we come back everyone, we are going to unlock their phones. We're gonna be starting off with you, Thank you, Santa. When it came to your texts, we found zero texts. When it came to apps, we found that there was one suspicious thing in the apps. And when it came to DMs, we found 9 DMs that would be suspicious.
Okay.
Are you concerned about what we found?
Not at all.
We found things on the phone that could lead us to say, something could be going on.
I know there's nothing on my phone that has anything to do with him.
When it came to text messages between you two, there was zero suspicious text messages. One of the big things is that there was one app that was found, and this is a big one because your only ask was that they did not follow each other on social media. We found in this app that Lawrence and Santa are following each other on Instagram.
I'm not following him. Yo, I do not know what's going on right now.
What do you mean you don't know what's going on? They're following each other on social media. All right, so when it comes to the DMs, there's a private Instagram chat exchange between Santa and Lawrence. So you're saying that we don't follow each other and now you're gonna tell me that we didn't find this on June 22nd, 2022? What is this?
That was me.
That was you.
Yeah, I don't even have that in my phone.
That was you. So you're trying to get in there. So the following and all of this is from you. This is from you.
It was me.
Got it. So Santa, you're in the clear. You're in the clear.
I know I was.
That's messy on your part. She knew.
She knew that I was writing him. He blocked me. No, he was fighting.
But what happens is that that's entrapment. You're trying to set up something and unfortunately you're using your cousin to do that.
I already knew it was her texting me, but she tried to play it off saying, why am I texting her cousin?
I get it. But see, the problem is that when you include yourself, it then starts to become messy. It sends the wrong messages and it's unfair to her. How do you feel? 'Cause you're in the clear now.
There's relief on my end. I knew I never did nothing. I knew I never said nothing.
All right, so there's nothing found between your cousin and your man. So you gotta stop accusing her. I need you two to swap spots and I need you close to me. All right, because now we got it clear with your cousin, but now we're talking about your man. When it came to your DMs, we found one thing that came up suspicious. When it came to the apps, we found one thing that came up suspicious. And when it came to photos, we found 378 photos that were suspicious.
No, that's not right. No, that's not right. 378? She know about those.
Okay, let's look at the DM right now. This is a number to a woman named Angel saying my number will pop up as this thing because you were trying to text with her and engage with her. Do you know about this?
No.
Okay then.
No, what is that?
And you see the timeline there. What is that? It says 22 hours ago.
Oh, shit.
What are your thoughts? That's old, though.
Oh, it says 22 hours. I don't know what that is. I really don't.
All right, when it comes to apps, we found one suspicious app on the phone, which was Lawrence, you installed Tinder and you are an active account user.
Oh, shit. I don't want Tinder.
You installed Tinder in May. The last time it was accessed was in October 14th.
That's what I'm saying.
I don't know what that is. So does it mean—
I don't even know how to Tinder on my phone.
But it says you accessed it in October.
I know, I see that.
We give dates. Why you smiling?
'Cause I see that. I don't—
Okay, so like literally he's gonna try to charm you and gaslight you right now. Santa, talk to your cousin here 'cause she was accusing you and now she's seeing the proof and she's still saying, "Uh-uh, I don't know nothing." That at the end of the day, he's a cheater.
He cheated on you so many times. I don't give a fuck. I'll say it to your face. You cheat on my cousin all the fucking time and I don't like that shit.
All right, so when it comes to photos, we found 378 images considered nudity. Some of the images were sent through text, which means you are sharing images with other women. And these are within the past 4 months. So the reason I asked you to get closer is because these are photos that were shared that I cannot show. All right, so this is the first one that was shared. You don't need to see 'em. You can back up. They were already on your phone. This is the first image that was shared. So there's some images in the last 4 months that he had on his phone that he received.
Okay.
And that's not you?
No, that's not me.
Okay then. The next one.
Let me see, are all of these from June?
No, no, this is recently, last 4 months. Okay then, so this is the last photo.
I just got a problem deleting stuff, that's my fault.
This is a photo that was in the last 4 months.
That's you?
That's whoa.
But that's you?
This is a photo of him receiving. This is a photo of him receiving This is a photo of him receiving fellatio from another woman.
Yeah.
Wow.
That was, yo, that's dope.
You asked me for a certain time period and you asked me for phones, apps, and DMs. I've given you the answers you want. This is where you have to say, I asked you before, what was at stake? You said my relationship was at stake. I know you have a child together and I understand that. And so it's very hard and complicated when you're breaking up families and things of that nature. And I'm not trying to tell you to break up, but you asked for proof and you got your proof. Talk to your man.
He don't got nothing to say. First of all, you know about all those pictures and the messages. The 3 pictures, but not that one. Bro, that is old, bro. I could tell you when we leave when that happened, but that was not in 4 months though. That was not even 5 months, 6 months ago.
So I think whatever issues you two have, you gotta be able to figure it out. I do agree with my audience member. You need to find a new place to live. At the end of the day—
I got somewhere to live.
Yeah, yeah. At the end of the day, for y'all to really rebuild your relationship, which I think is gonna be most important here, y'all gotta figure it out. You, you in a situation where you gonna get away with whatever the hell you wanna get away with. Oh, what?
Why y'all think that?
Yo, I think y'all think that. Listen, I'm not mad at you. I'm not mad at you. That didn't come across as mad at you. Listen, you in a position where you young, you getting to do what you wanna do. Because she's not setting any boundaries with you. No, she did.
She has, and I learned my lesson. I used to be way worse than what I am right now.
I used to be way worse.
But who's— That's— Bro, that joint is old. That picture is old. I don't know how he— He good at what he do, 'cause I don't know how he found that. I don't know how he found that.
I'm gonna ask you, are you open Is spending less time with Tyler?
No.
No.
No. That's not my problem to work out. That's your problem. Okay, okay.
But this is the thing.
If you don't trust your boyfriend, break up with him. If I'm asking you out of respect to stay away from him because it's making me uncomfortable, don't you think you should give me that respect? We live together. I will see him regardless. If one day, let's say you go off and marry him, that's gonna be my brother-in-law. Am I not gonna be close with him? Am I gonna have to act awkward in front of you two? For the rest of my life? No, that's insane. So one day, am I gonna come back to my own house and you're gonna be over just hanging out with him? Probably not. No. Oh. I don't do that.
I wanna go back. When you were kids, did you fight for, 'cause I really need clarity on that. Did you fight over friends ever?
Sometimes, yeah.
You did? Did you ever fight for your parents' attention?
Sometimes, yes.
Sometimes.
They would always kind of coddle her in a way.
Or you felt like she was being coddled?
You're the middle child though, so I feel like They always, they don't pay attention to me. I'm the middle child. That's fine.
Is that how you felt?
Yeah, sometimes.
So you felt like they didn't pay attention to her and they spent more attention calling you?
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
But I like my independency. Like that's my thing. I like to be alone all the time. So she's very the opposite. She's always had to look over us, take care of me and my brother, which I mean makes her very mature and responsible, but I was always alone. So there's a difference there.
Good to know that information. Well everyone, I think it's time to bring out Tyler to the show so that we can get his side. Hey Tyler, welcome to the show, man. Nice to see you. Thanks for being here. Of course. So I gotta ask you point blank period, has there ever been a time that you've crossed the line with Emmalyn?
Absolutely not.
And that's what I've been trying to explain to her. So why do you think she doesn't believe you? Honestly, I'm not sure because I haven't given her any reason to think otherwise. Has he ever given you any reason outside of just your sister? You told me earlier that he was a player, but has he ever given you any reason? Have you ever seen him looking at girls, doing anything that can make you feel like maybe he could be doing something?
I mean, yeah, he definitely does have a flirty side to him. Like for instance, if we're at like a dinner and the bartender comes over and she's like, "Hi, how's it going? What can I serve you?" He's always giving compliments, you know? Like, "Oh, your hair looks nice," and stuff like that.
Is that a flirt? Is that a crime?
That's a flirt. It's a flirt.
I don't know if it's a crime, but it could be perceived as disrespect.
Yeah, so that's the only thing he's done, but nothing physical, just verbal.
So I'm gonna ask you, do you feel like you spend too much time hanging out with Emily? Well, I guess that would depend on what you define as spending time. It's too much. So your girlfriend defines it as y'all hanging out when she's not around. So do you feel as if you spend too much time with her? Well, I'd have to disagree because I mean, I just don't know why she would think that way if I haven't given her any reason to think otherwise. You know what I mean? I appreciate you avoiding my question, but do you feel like you spend too much time with Emmaline?
Sorry about that.
I definitely respect her opinion and I'll definitely listen to it. But do you feel, do you feel? Absolutely not. No, so you feel like the amount of time you all spend together is normal? Yes, and I believe that she should trust me. Do you ever pick up on Lib being uncomfortable? No, I do not. And I think that might be a compliment to her composure. Do you hold a lot of things in?
Yeah, for sure.
Why?
I'm not a confrontational person. I feel like I keep everything in and then just explode at the end.
Do you hold your feelings in as well?
No.
No? You say it?
Yeah, I say it. I'll tell you how I feel.
Immediately?
Yeah.
Does that make you uncomfortable that she does that?
I think mostly because I wish I was like that.
Tyler, do you feel like you're getting in between these two sisters?
No.
No. Why don't you feel that way? Because I just have a great connection with both of them. Very different, but a good connection with both of them. Tyler, are you aware of what you're doing? 'Cause I think we all are aware that you're aware of what you're doing. They're having their own issues and you're using that to your advantage because if they're paying attention to each other, they're not paying attention to you. I could be saying something, but I'm usually right on, you know?
Yeah, you're definitely onto something.
What am I? Tell me, tell me more. I think so.
I think so.
Yeah. Okay. I think it's time that we unlock these phones. What about y'all? So it is first time to unlock your phone, Emmaline. So when it comes to text messages, we saw 150 texts between you and Tyler about meeting up and music. From what we're seeing here, the meetups were never about a sexual nature or anything of that nature. It was always like meetup or music. So I will say that. I wanted to just make sure that was clear. Now when it came to Snapchat, you had a 30-day streak of sending each other snaps. To each other. What are y'all talking about on Snapchat?
Music.
We don't usually text on the texting app, so we use an alternative as Snapchat. Mhm.
So you have two forms of communication. Yeah.
Okay. All right, great. All right, so here we go. When it came to DMs, um, we only found 15 memes that you all sent to each other on DMs. So again, the memes were innocent in nature. So I have to tell you this, I didn't find anything that says there was any sexual interactions. So—
That makes me feel better.
Yes, at least you had that information. I can say that. I would believe from those messages and from what I was told before that there is no sexual relationship between these two.
Okay.
I would believe that.
There's definitely not.
Okay, good. Now we went to unlock your phone as well, right?
I'm interested for this one.
When it came to Tyler's phone, you're gonna have to be interested a little bit longer because he refused for us to unlock his phone. Why did you refuse for us to unlock your phone? Well, I just don't feel as if it's necessary. Why don't you trust me?
If I was asking you to open up your phone right now, you'd be like, "No." Because I trust you, why won't you trust me? You can look through my phone whenever you want.
I don't know what's going on in your phone because you didn't allow us to see it. I've been doing this for a while now and the only time people refuse to show me their phone is when they're trying to hide something. It's been the only case and I'm not trying to project that onto you, but normally for transparency, when people come on here, they just give their phone up. Although I have nothing to hide. Okay. You smooth, but brother, you ain't that smooth, okay?
That's right.
All right, Mr. Smooth Man, I'm gonna ask you to leave the stage real quick so I can talk to these two ladies. Yes, sir. Yeah.
Thank you.
You're welcome. If I give you my personal opinion, I don't see this going long-term.
No.
But what is important to me is sisters.
You definitely opened my eyes and made me realize that like guys are not gonna get in the way of my sister and I, like no matter what. So I'm done.
But I think there needs to be some acknowledgement of something. I think that's a good thing because the thing is, is for you two, an already strained relationship, the respect and trust was broken at a moment when you felt she talked to your ex-boyfriend. And I don't think that moment has ever been able to be healed and to be able to acknowledge so that y'all can move on. And so what's happening now is that there's this cycle of mistrust that's coming from, it's a direct correlation to something that happened to you all. So I think for you, Liv, I think this is an important moment for you to acknowledge that that moment where you started talking to someone that she liked was hurtful for your sister. And I don't believe that your intentions were to hurt your sister because I understand we're young, we're confused, our hormones are going. It's like, oh, you don't like her? Okay, like me. You know, like these things. But her, she's also going through it on the other end. And she, from her own words, said it just got brushed under. We never talked about it.
Yeah.
So can you apologize to your sister for doing something that hurt her? Hurt her at such a young age.
Yeah, I do apologize for that because I know like if we didn't have these problems, they wouldn't have problems today. So I'm sorry for being that root of the problem, especially at such a young age. I mean, I get we were young, but still, it's the respect thing. I just need to see it more from you. And when I ask if you can give me respect with Tyler, I think that we would be— I believe, I truly do.
I don't think that the respect has been there.
I agree.
It hasn't been there. And I know that you have, but there's a part of you, which is why I asked her to start with her apology first. And I know it's gonna take some time for you to receive that and for that to sink in. But what you have to understand is that you're unconsciously making decisions because you were hurt and you wanna make sure she feels that to some degree as well.
Yeah, a little bit.
'Cause you know for a fact, I just walked to your phone and I really do believe there's nothing sexual going on with, you know, over there. There's nothing, but you do know that it's gonna mess with her. You know it. You know it. You see, she's into it.
I mean, yeah, it will mess with me, but there's nothing else I can do when it's all silent in the room and it's just like us three. It's awkward.
But the reason it's awkward right now is because y'all never healed your relationship. There's just been a pattern of y'all's relationship becoming more and more dysfunctional. And so therefore you're in this room and you're trying to do something to make it feel like it's not awkward. But you're also unconsciously, which you just admitted to, doing something that you know that's gonna hurt her. Right, yeah. So what you have to do is you first of all have to apologize and say, "Yes, I have been disrespecting you as well." Sorry, I've been disrespecting you as well, and I need to focus on you more than just petty things in the past. I think one thing that you all can do for each other is being clearer and opening up. But I know that's gonna be hard, but open up through boundaries. Boundaries. It's gonna allow you not to feel like you have to always share your emotions or for you to feel like, oh my gosh, I'm gonna say everything and I have to be the one to keep this going. Just say a boundary of like, hey, this is something that I don't feel comfortable with. Like a great boundary for you is to say, I'm not gonna text your man no more. It's one thing if you're together and you're all interacting, but it's another thing to deliberately sending memes and texts to somebody that's going to make your sister feel insecure. Would you ever want to feel insecure insecure again like you felt when you were younger and she was talking to your man?
No.
'Cause I know that hurt you.
Yeah.
It hurt you deep. 'Cause that was probably like one of your first loves, first real likes. Yeah, it was. Yeah, that first one hurts deep. Yeah. So I know you felt like she did that to me, so she deserves to feel that insecurity, but neither of you deserve to feel that way. So can you set the boundary of not texting the man she's dating?
Yes, I will. Thank you. I appreciate it.
Good, good. What else do you all need? Is there anything else? Because I feel like we got to a good point. I don't know.
That was like, That was awesome. That was good for you. I've never heard her say anything like that before.
You've never heard her say anything like that?
Good.
Why are you convinced that your mother would cross that line with your husband?
Due to the fact when I got incarcerated, she asked him, do me the favor, leave her the key and keep on going. And he didn't. I mean, when I was going on the bus, he's across the street. She's bring me, I mean, supposed to be bring me food. Well, she got to the bus late. He's across the street with her bags. And the next morning, I'm in the courtroom. He's not supposed to be there.
So because they were together when you were going through this moment, you think that something happened?
Yeah.
Okay, so what does your mom do around your husband that could be suspicious?
I mean, she's always like, I don't wanna fuck him, I don't wanna do this, I don't wanna do that. I mean, if me and you were arguing, why you always throwing his name in there? Why?
Do you bring his name into it first?
No, I don't.
What happened at the airport in Florida?
In Florida, okay, I just, I mean, I had lost my uncle, so we was gonna, I mean, leave to New York, back to New York. She went first, then he went after. I happen to have a purse, right? But a book bag as well. But leaving Florida, they told me I can't take my purse. I was like, no, I'm not leaving my purse behind.
Yeah, yeah.
So I'm trying to stick it in the book bag to make room. They both left. So now I go on a plane, they both sit, I mean, sitting there together. It made me feel like they was gonna leave me.
Yeah, got it. Okay, and how often do you talk to her about that situation?
There's no talking with my mom.
Yeah, no talking ever?
I mean, everything is always an argument.
Have your arguments ever got physical?
Yeah.
They have? How many times?
A couple.
Okay. How has the situation affected your marriage?
How did it affect your marriage? It affected it because we always arguing 'cause in the back of my mind I feel like something happened.
Do you believe your mom when she denies being intimate with him?
I mean, it hurts me 'cause it's my mom.
Yeah.
But then I don't know.
Well, you asked my unlock the phone investigator to unlock your mother's phone 'cause you wanna know if she has been sending inappropriate text messages to Tavaris, is your husband, right?
Yeah.
If she has ever secretly met with Tavaris they visit New York, and if Virginia has been receiving calls from Tavaris via Link NYC. Okay, what you gonna do if you find out that she been doing it?
I'm done.
You done with both of them?
I'm done with both of them.
Okay, and what about if nothing's going on?
If nothing's going on, then what can I say but sorry?
Okay, well, Glenda's mother Virginia is willing to prove she is innocent, so everyone please welcome Virginia to the show.
I'm true.
How you doing? Thank you for being here.
Nice meeting you.
So Virginia, I wanna ask you how you feel about what you heard?
It breaks my heart. It's very upsetting 'cause none of it is true.
Yeah.
I am a decent woman. I respect and I love my children.
Yeah.
I would never disrespect any woman, not even my daughter, especially my daughter. I wasn't raised like that. I was ready to respect one another as you would like to be respected. A married man is some property that's already taken. You don't look at that. And I do not like leftovers. Yeah, I know, but nobody's saying that.
Hold on, were you, so I gotta ask you directly because this is what she said. Were you intimate with Tavaris 9 years ago?
Never ever in my life. I don't even conversate. I don't even look at him.
How's this affected your relationship with your daughter?
Oh, she is off the hook. She is off the hook because for some reason, Well, now I'm talking. I mean, for some reason, sometimes every time I'm with him and me and you argue, you always gotta bring him into the conversation. I don't want this shit, I don't want that shit. Like, I mean. Can I answer that thing about her being in jail?
Yeah.
That happened, he was there 'cause she brought him to live where I was living and I gave her my private room in my friend's house. She got into a situation. We were worried. I'm worried she's my daughter. He's worried 'cause that's her husband, her man. We both went to the precinct worried about her, nothing else, to find information. Now we go back, we're walking, talking, how we're gonna, how, who's gonna, she's not gonna be seen, we gotta go to court. So he gotta walk that way. Well, I wanna walk 'cause I gotta walk.
Who do you think is feeding her lies?
Well, my mother's feeding her a lot of lies.
Your mother?
Okay.
Oh my gosh. What hurtful things does your daughter say to you?
Oh, she tells me, you nasty, you whore.
You say that to your mother?
You whore, you're a prostitute, you're a lowlife bitch. You think he wanna fuck you? He don't want you. Look at you, you old bitch, huh?
You say all that?
Yes.
To your mother?
You want his shit, you want his shit.
When you were young, did you have a good relationship?
Okay, she hates me and she thinks I'm with her husband, which I never even looked at that.
Okay, well I think it's time to meet Tavaris, so everyone please welcome your husband to the show.
Can you move over so he can sit on my lap?
How you doing, man? Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. Thank you for being here. Okay, so how do you feel about what you just heard?
Well, I feel that it's crazy because I feel I'm in between it.
So what happened the night your wife was arrested?
Well, the night she was arrested, she told me to, when her mother come, to give her mother the keys and go to my mother house, and that's what I did.
Glenda, why did you move over right now?
No, because I don't want him sitting next to me. I don't want that next to me.
Why do you want him not sitting next to her?
Well, she's accusing me.
So has Virginia ever said, I gotta ask you directly, has Virginia ever said or made inappropriate gestures to you?
No, she did not.
Never?
Never.
Not once?
Not once.
So what happened to your phone last year?
After my phone last year, I mean, with this situation going on, she broke the phone and the only time we communicate is through a payphone.
Okay, why did you break it?
Because I don't trust him.
Got it, okay.
Text him, I never text him.
I don't trust him. How do you communicate with people when you out then? Through a free phone. Okay, so why do you feel like you caught in the middle? Because of the situation with her and her mother, what they going through, so she said— So why don't you just say clearly, since this is your woman, say it did not happen, dead it. Stop saying this, it did not happen. Why you gotta say that way?
I let my wife know that I never looked at her mother in no type of way, no form, no fashion.
Does he say that to you?
I mean, he doesn't. It makes it seem like you don't really say much.
He doesn't say much.
He doesn't seem like it's real.
Got it. You're naturally a soft-spoken, sort of more timid male. The reason I'm saying that is because that's part of the issue here, because you're not asserting your dominance to assure your wife that nothing happening.
Right.
And so in a sense, you are caught in the middle because you could dead this. You could let your wife know immediately and forcefully, not in any way physically violent or anything, anything in that way, but say, listen, I love you. If I was your man and I said this to you right now, listen, I love you. I am not messing with your mother. I'm not doing nothing with her. It's me and you. Stop this BS. Would that resonate with you?
I don't know.
Yes, it would. I know for a fact it would.
If it would've been from the get-go.
From the get-go, I get that. I understand. But now it's lingered for so long. Yeah. I get it. So I wanna know from you, when did you start having these trust issues?
From that day?
From that day? I think it started before then, but you know what we gotta solve right now is I do wanna unlock the phone because we need to find out if there is something here to start this getting out concrete.
All right, it's time to unlock the phone.
Virginia, we unlocked your phone.
Yes, lovely. I have nothing to hide 'cause I don't do nothing wrong.
Well, Glenda, you wanna know if your mother has been sending inappropriate text messages to your husband. Your husband. Your mother says she is not. My locked phone investigator searched her texts and found that she's telling the truth. Glenda, you wanna know if your mother has ever secretly met up with your husband when they visit NYC. Your mother says she has not. My locked phone investigator searched her GPS and found that she's telling the truth. You want to know if your mother Your mother has been receiving calls from your husband via LinkNYC. Your mother says she has not. My unlock the phone investigator searched her phone and found she's telling the truth. So from what we can see in searching her phone, there is no communication.
I told you. That hurts, you know? Sorry now, but if you continue, you're on your own. Because I want your love as a daughter and I'm a mother, not a mother, whatever. Okay? I love you dearly and you gotta give me more respect and stop degrading me in this picture and talking all that. Same for you. And the same for you. And the same for me. And the same for you. So don't, don't, don't say that you don't. No, no, no, no. I do it to you because you disrespect me. Respect me. You talking to me in front of everybody and staying quiet.
Let me ask you a question.
You learn how to respect me, I respect you.
When you were a kid, you said y'all didn't have a good relationship.
It was, I mean, maybe to like the age of 13.
13.
'Cause she wanted to do what she wanted to do.
What happened at 13 from your perspective?
Okay, let's talk. I was on my own basically. No.
Why were you on your own?
She wanted to— I don't wanna go there.
What?
I really don't wanna go there.
You don't wanna go there? Yeah. Okay, so I'm gonna tell you. No, no, no. And this is why I said we don't have to go there. But no, 'cause this is what I know. At the end of the day, yes, I see disrespect and you do deserve respect as her mother now. But what I do know to be true is that at 13, something happened where she felt disconnected from her relationship with her mother. And I don't know this story, so I'm not gonna come down on you. But what I do know is that I'm looking at two children who never got something from their mother that they needed at some point in their life. And I said you as well, because to hear your mother say things about you, I feel sorry for you as well. Your job is to do this as a parent. I'll leave the door open whenever you want. Whenever you want, I'm here. Whenever you want. You've been vindicated today that you're not sleeping with her husband.
Never.
I got that. So now that that is cleared, you will someday have to trust that your mother is willing to hear you.
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