We Have 5 Children Together But 3 Of Them Aren't Mine! | KARAMO

We have 5 kids together and I think 3 of 'em are not mine. 2 of the kids look identical to me. I didn't even want to get a DNA test for 'em. But the other 3, I got this one family member and I think he might be the father. And I think one of my neighbors might be the father to one of the kids.

I was watching your body language that entire time that you were watching your husband talk about you in this way and You look broken.

Honestly, I'm kind of used to it because he says this stuff often, but I know it's not true, so it makes me mad sometimes. And—

So I need to go back to the fact that you said he says this stuff often. How often does he say these things about you?

It's usually like an everyday, every other day basis. We'll argue a lot.

How long have y'all been together?

We've been together for 8 years.

8 years. Okay then. And how many children do you have?

We have 5 children together, 5 boys.

5 children, yeah, 5 boys, okay. And why does he question 3 of your children, not the other 2? I heard him say that because they, the other 2 look like him, but from your perspective, why do you think?

I don't know. I think he's insecure because he's older than I am and I think he thinks I'm not happy with him anymore.

How much older?

He's 16 years older than me.

Okay, does he say he's not their dad in front of them?

No, we'll argue in another room and the kids will hear us to the point where one of his relatives came over, the cousin he was talking about, and one of my sons asked him if he was his father. And that made me feel really bad and embarrassed and angry.

So his name isn't on the birth certificates, correct?

No.

Why not?

That was a personal choice because—

Personal choice by who?

It was my choice because I was— afraid that he would be hounded by child support courts and stuff. And I didn't wanna go through that.

Did you cheat at the beginning of your relationship?

Oh yeah, when we was first, okay, when we first started dating, I was still hanging out with my friends more often and we had got excited.

Well, I mean, there's a significant age difference.

Right.

So you were, I understand that cheating is wrong and I'm not gonna make any excuses, but also you're still a young woman trying to figure out and explore and see what's in the world. Are you cheating now?

No.

Okay then. So why does he think you're having men over the house? 'Cause your children live with you, I assume?

Yes.

So you got 5 kids in the house and you think he has men over?

He would be gone most of the day. Most of the kids are in school, so I'd be home by myself about 80% of the day. So I think he's, he thought I would have people over while he was gone and the kids were in school. And I don't know, he's just suspicious.

Does he look through your phone?

Yeah, he goes through it regular. I have nothing to hide, so I don't really care. But he'll say that I'm deleting stuff or I'm trying to hide things from him and I'm not. It's like, I just, you know, when you have apps open on your phone, it uses up data, it burns battery. And I tell him that and he's like, no, you're just trying to hide something. And I'm like, "No, I'm just saving data and saving battery." Interesting.

Okay, let's hear your boyfriend's side of this story. So everyone, let's meet Johnny and hear what he has to say.

I got cameras set up and all my cameras was broken.

No.

And the cameras are sitting all the way up where they can't touch 'em.

Okay.

So how?

So why would you also think that she's cheating on you with your family members? 'Cause I wanna—

Before I met her, she was living with my family members.

So you feel because she's attracted to you that maybe She could have been attracted to them as well?

They look just like me.

Mm-hmm. But there's an emotional connection, I'm assuming, between you two, right?

Yes.

Do you think she has that same emotional connection with them?

I have no idea because when I met her, she was living with me.

For a short period of time, I dated his cousin. My sister. So. Okay, you guys, okay. And it was short. His cousin didn't like me. I didn't like his cousin. He wasn't my type, so.

Okay, but you can have a second thought. You was with him.

Anyway.

You can have a second thought.

I'm not interested.

That's why I got a second thought about the kids. Kids until I get proof.

Okay.

Okay. I just wish you would trust me more.

I do trust, but when I get suspicious and set cameras up and my camera is broken, okay, what am I gonna think?

Setting up cameras for in the first place to see what you're doing. You're setting up cameras because you don't trust me?

I will. You doing things where I don't— I can't trust you.

No, I'm not doing anything.

So my producers say that when you're not there and she calls you and asks you when you'll be home, you think there's some You're suspicious about that?

Yes.

Why?

Because like, why are you calling me? You know I'm taking the kids to school. You know everything I'm doing. It don't even make sense. Why are you calling me? Well, hold on. Why are you calling? Then when she called me, she asked, where am I?

Where am I? But aren't you asking for an itinerary and surveilling her?

Exactly, thank you.

So she's not—

Thank you.

So she can't ask you just when you're coming home?

She can. But why? Okay, 'cause I'm so concerned for you.

You sent me out to go in a certain place, but you calling me asking where I'm at.

And the same, you know where she's at, at home. So wouldn't it be the same? What do your children say when you get home?

One time I got home and they said they seen somebody in there and she overtalked him and said, "You didn't see anybody. You just saying something. He's saying something." That's never happened. You know, I went in the room so I wouldn't overreact on it. You know, I just let it fade away like a little mark.

My producer told me you fake sleep to catch her. And act?

Yes, sometimes.

Okay, what do you do?

It's really not fake asleep, it's just like, it's all about the cameras really, you know? And my cousin, one time he called me when I'm taking the kids to school. He called me, where you at, bro? I said, I'm taking the kids to school, I'm in the line. 'Cause when you drop the kids, you gotta be in the line and you gotta wait over 30 minutes to drop 'em off and pick 'em up in this school line.

You just dropping the kids off.

So he calls me and he say, "Where are you?" Or, "Hey bro, where you at?" Or anything. I mean, I'm in the school line. "Where you at, bro?" "I'm sitting in front of your crib." The same one that she dated.

Okay.

So what am I to think? I'm just saying like.

Okay, so he's calling you to ask where you are.

Then I set a camera up. Okay, I set a camera up.

He ain't trying to see me.

Okay, and you told my producer you think she has a cheater's phone. What does that mean?

Every time, like I can see her playing a game or doing anything. No sooner I get the phone, whatever she was doing is gone. It could be a game, a regular game she playing, doo doo doo, it's gone. She done deleted that off the phone. And she do it every single time.

That's nothing.

And I call that a cheater's phone, 'cause why you deleting everything that you do?

'Cause it's a battery killer, Johnny.

And that's, she got an excuse for everything she do. That's exactly what I said.

It's not an excuse, it's a statement of fact.

So until I get proof, I don't think the kids is really mine.

Have you ever proposed?

Yeah.

You have?

Yeah.

And what happened? Why haven't you gone through with it?

'Cause I don't think I'm ready because if the kids are not mine, you know, like—

Do you love her?

Yes, I'd be living a lie.

What do you love about her?

I love everything about her, like—

Okay, do you love him?

Yes.

Okay, what will happen if you are determined not to be the father?

Something's gonna happen, like I might be replaced tomorrow, I don't know.

So you're gonna find somebody else?

Yes.

So you love her, but you could easily replace her with—

Because this is a big lie. Like, it would be a big lie. Like, I can't do it.

Well, I think it's time we get to this DNA truth.

Yes, bring the truth, man. That's what I wanna see.

So we have the 3 kids, we've tested all 3 of them. I'm gonna start with the first one, your child Jordan. This is your truth to open. Let's see if Jordan is your child.

Okay. Yes, he's mine.

Jordan. I told you.

I'm glad he is.

I told you.

I'm glad he is.

I never had a question.

So what do you thought was gonna happen?

I know the answer to all of those.

Okay.

It's gonna be better off for her.

No, it's gonna be better off for you.

Well, both of us then.

So this is for your child Jay.

Okay.

That you're questioning.

Okay, so what you gonna do when you find out that All 3 kids is yours.

I'm gonna put a little bit more trust into you and try to marry you and stop talking all that bull.

Well, here goes the DNA truth for Jay.

Let me see. He is my son.

Exactly, exactly. Give him the last one, Karamo. Give it to him, Karamo. He ain't even wanna open it.

It makes me feel really good though.

It makes you feel good, but this is making me upset.

Since they've been born about the whole situation.

Okay.

About this whole situation.

Well, we have one last—

I'm trying to play too.

We have one last DNA truth. You wanna know, Johnny, if Justin is your child?

Yes.

This is the newest child, correct? Yes.

We've been together for 8 years.

This your DNA truth moment?

When you see this DNA, you gonna have to get your act completely together.

I'm going to, that's on my decision. I already told you that.

All right, I just don't believe you.

Well, you got to. He is my child. And I'm very happy about that. I told him already.

I told him before we even came to court.

'Cause I couldn't trust anybody until after this.

You should've trusted me before that.

I couldn't because of what was going on and what I seen in her home.

That's your personal, those are your personal problems.

I couldn't get around it.

Okay.

It may be my personal problems.

But you do have the answer now that these, all 5 of your children now are your children.

Yes.

Is there anything you need to say to her?

I'm sorry for accusing you of cheating or whatever and blaming the kids that they wasn't mine.

Hold on, we gotta back up. Or whatever?

Karamo. Clear that up.

Okay, I gotta apologize for everything I said about the kids that wasn't mine, okay?

Okay.

They are mine and I'm gonna act like it and I'm gonna change everything.

Is that it?

And I'm gonna try to marry you. I'm going to marry you. I'm going to marry you. I'm going to marry you.

Well, not just that. You've spent, from her words and from what you're telling me, years of disrespecting your woman.

It's all about, I never really disrespected her.

You don't?

Disrespect is saying, okay, cheating, I don't think it's disrespect.

So verbal abuse? I want to be clear because I think some people—

I don't call out a name.

I think some people get confused with that. It thinks that disrespect is like if you're verbally abusing them, calling them out a name or something. But disrespect is equally as saying, I don't trust you enough that I need to put cameras in my house. I could do that. What that does is that looking, well, I'm sorry for disrespecting you like that.

Since I got the truth, I'm sorry for disrespecting you, say you cheated on me with my family members.

What I want is for you to trust me more. Like if I wanna go somewhere— As of now, I do. When I wanna go somewhere, I don't wanna be questioned. I don't want you to wonder what I'm doing. I would've had to come back and repeat what was said.

Well, at least about this, I don't have to.

Well, you have the DNA proof.

I could've just showed her the phone.

Let's remember everyone, you did also ask for me to unlock her phone. Did you still need these unlock the phone results? Yes. Yes.

For what?

Because it don't matter.

So I'm gonna, hold on. So let's back up because you just said, now that I have this, I trust her.

So why wouldn't you want him to unlock the phone though? Like why not?

But why would you need it? We're not gonna project onto her.

Because I want all the truth. Why would you need it? I want all the truth if I gotta give all mine. I want all of her truth if I gotta give all mine.

Johnny, what truth have you given?

Exactly.

I haven't did anything.

Tell me the truth.

I haven't did anything. And if I did, she know everything I do.

Okay, you have. Well, you have.

So I'm not lying about anything.

Okay, well, let's go ahead and do this. We searched her texts, her DMs, and her photos. She says she has not. My Unlock the Phone investigators searched through all of these and She is telling the truth. There was not one suspicious activity on her phone.

I told you. I told you. I told you.

Well, I apologize about that. I'm wrong for that. I'm a man. I stand up to mine. I'm wrong for that.

You are wrong.

I apologize for that. There's no problem. Now you can change my whole life with this situation.

I'm gonna be real with you. The sad part is that you're too young to understand the relationship you're in and you're too old to be playing these games.

I can agree with you.

I can agree.

This is manipulation.

This is control.

You don't know.

And that's just the truth of it. You don't know no better. So therefore, she's been accustomed to this behavior and she believes this behavior is right. It would take me a couple of months to help you to understand the relationship of it, the relationship you're in, and how that is gonna be playing on your self-esteem and self-worth as you continue on. You're raising 5 children and it's gonna be a difficult time because you're gonna have to figure out a lot of things while doing this. But for you, Yet we about 2 years apart. You and I know better. We know better. I'm just saying because I established that because we're the same age. We understand what's going on. And I'm serious when I say that you are aware that there's extreme paranoia. There's extreme trust issues, but also that is being turned into a very unhealthy controlling manipulation. But you said you think she—

Other people could give you paranoia though. I don't know if you—

No, no, no, no. The paranoia comes from self.

Okay.

Paranoia comes from I have feelings that I think are going to be happening, and so therefore I'm gonna always be looking out for those feelings because I've been informing myself that it's going to happen. And as you retell yourself those narratives—

So what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna put more trust, I'm gonna throw everything away and—

But I don't believe that at all because you just were given the opportunity to show that you do trust her when I asked, do you still need to unlock this car? Phone and your response.

I wanna know everything.

But see, that's dangerous. That's dangerous. So here we go again. You're just doing nothing but confirming what I'm talking about with control and manipulation. You're saying again, I need to know everything. So there could be nothing that's ever going to satisfy this desire and the paranoia you have. Because if you're away from her for 5 minutes, you're gonna assume she's doing something. If she moves one thing, she's always gonna be doing something. There's always gonna be something to try trigger this paranoia in you. But with that being said, what I do know and what I will always focus on is that having children witness this can cause extreme distress in your kids. First of all, the ones that have even heard you even in a fight together, I know you've never directly said to them that I might not be your father. You got some real work to do. The comprehension of your children right now, they getting all of this. And it's starting to fester in their minds as I'm not wanted, I am not desired. They definitely want it. You say it, but they've also heard something else.

Okay.

Let me tell you something. All it takes for a kid in one room to hear their parents say, you know what, I didn't want 'em no way. And then you go to them and say, I love you. But let me tell you something, in that child's mind for the rest of their life is, I remember the day you said you didn't want me. And it's your job as their father to make sure you correct that. And so you need to figure out what they heard by asking them, what did you hear? Please tell me, be upfront. Let them know they're safe enough that they can tell you. And then once they tell you, immediately say, "I'm sorry you heard that. You heard correctly, but I was wrong." You have to apologize and make amends. And you have to start watching your actions of how you're treating their mother and how you're controlling their mother because you have 5 boys. And what I don't want you to do is set 5 Black men into this world to do this to 5 other Black women's children.

But after today, everything's gonna totally change.

I guarantee. Again, again. I guarantee. I would say not after today things would change. Johnny, I'll tell you this. Instead of setting up cameras, you should be looking in the mirror instead. Please do the work for them kids.

I promise I will.

Please do that. I wish y'all the best of luck.

Thank you. I really do. I really wish y'all the best of luck.