We Just Had Twins, Why Did You Get Your Ex Pregnant? | KARAMO

So basically we've been together for 2 years. We have twins, they are 11 months. And we took a little break, but I know—

How long was that break?

It was like probably like 5 months.

5 months, okay.

Yeah, but prior to that, I know he got the girl pregnant while we were still in the same house. So it's an ex-girlfriend who basically has been in the picture from the beginning. She never left. Yeah, she literally has never left at all whatsoever.

So Tamaja, that's her name, right?

Yes.

She was around when you first met Terrence? Yes.

Okay. So they lived together, but they weren't together.

Got it.

So I wasn't like, you know.

You weren't secure with it?

No, no. So once, you know, it was finally over with, we end up moving together. We got pregnant, you know, it happened fast, don't get me wrong. But you know, then he got her pregnant and right now it's just like, It's something that we gotta deal with forever. She won't go away, but he has caused this problem.

Yeah. How did Tamondra first react to you and Terrence's relationship?

She will never leave me alone. It's never been a situation where she's left me alone. Like she was blowing my phone up.

And when you say never left you alone, was she saying rude things to you?

Yes, but it was like more like she was blowing my phone up from different numbers. Like she found my number, how? She was blowing my phone up, texting me from different text app numbers. Just like, you know, she sent condoms to my house one time.

Condoms?

Yes. She turned the Wi-Fi off 'cause she knew all his information. Just, you know, little, just petty stuff.

Wow.

And then like, she's young, so I'll like try to put that into factor, but it's like, at what point are you gonna stop?

How old is she?

I have no idea. I didn't even know the girl name.

I think I'm gonna get my producer to tell me that she's 22.

Yeah, I don't know. I didn't even know her name. I'm 28.

And how old is Terrence?

Terrence just turned 40.

Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. How did you first learn that Terrence had cheated on you?

She told me.

She told you?

Yeah.

And did you already have your twins at this point when they cheated?

So no, no, no. He started cheating from the beginning. Like, soon as I was pregnant, like, She would send me proof every time. So it wasn't like I didn't, you know, it wasn't like I wasn't believing what she was saying because I had the proof every single time.

Yeah, but at this point now you're pregnant. 'Cause how long were y'all together before you got pregnant?

Like 3 months.

3 months.

Yes.

Okay.

Yeah, it just has been an ongoing problem and it's not like she's just the blame. He is the blame because he keeps doing it.

Yeah. So you told our Unlock the Phone investigators that you want to know, is Terrence still cheating? And is he still communicating with Tomajah about things other than the baby?

Period.

All right, well, Tomajah just had Terrence's baby 2 weeks ago and is joining us here via remote. Tomajah, how are you?

Hi, I'm doing good.

Good. So—

I don't even know why she here.

How do you feel about what was just said?

I'm here 'cause I wanna be, baby. No beef. Can't stand this bitch. Can't stand me there, really.

Tell me about you and Terrence's relationship.

We was together for 2 and a half years. We broke up. We were still living together. While we were still living together and sexually together, I guess he met Kiara somewhere around November, December or whatever. I had his location, so like I would know when he not coming home, he was somewhere. And me, I just put my PI skills together. Like he had a new follow on Instagram, 'cause I had his account and I seen where he was, the apartments matching. I had his phone records, so I found her number. I never contact her to upset her. It's to piss Karen off.

Okay, I don't fully believe that. I believe you do get a little joy of going up there and being bothered by her.

I get a little joy, but it's never to really make her mad. It's never to make you mad, baby. I've been so sweet to Karen. For what? To piss Karen off. Okay, but then what are you getting out of pissing him off? What are you getting? You're pissing him off and then what? You don't want him, right? So what do you get? But you do. You had sex with her? I did at the time. You just had sex with her? 2 months ago? 2 months ago? 2 months? That's not, what is that? That wasn't 2 months ago, baby, can you count? 3? What, was that 3? We gonna drag it to 3? It was in May, sweetheart, it was in May. No, it wasn't. It was not. Yes, it was, it was May. Okay.

Let me ask you a question.

You gonna tell me? I know what day it was.

Can I ask you a question?

I know why I went to Florida.

Why did you and Terrence break up before he got with Kiara?

Cheating.

Okay.

So you want to do the same thing that you was going through to somebody else? No. Make it make sense. Sweetheart. Make it make sense. He owes you the loyalty, not me. He owes you loyalty, not me. I don't give a damn. Nobody gave a damn about me.

I don't give a shit.

But you do care. I don't even contact you. Last time we conversated, you were stalking me. You want to try to say stalking, but you literally stalked me from— You were stalking me. All right, looking at my page. No, wait a second. You stalked me literally from the beginning. You found my number. You found my Facebook. You found my Instagram. It doesn't matter. You found my name. You knew what I looked like. You knew who I was. I'm on his account. I'm on his account. Girl, you gotta find you something else to do. I've been told you that months ago. Find something to do. Damn.

Okay, well listen everyone, it's time to hear from Terrence. So everyone, welcome Terrence to the show. Terrence, come on out. Terrence.

What's up, man?

How you doing? Nice to meet you. All right, now how you got your home life in this situation?

So basically they just gonna put the whole blame on me on everything.

Who else would it be on?

But I'm just saying like, no, every time I cheated, if I cheated, it was because of a reason. It was, I wasn't happy in the relationship.

Yeah, that's his thing.

I wasn't happy in the relationship though. I wasn't happy in the relationship. And when I bring these things up to each and every one of them, nobody understands what I feel or what I'm going through. 'Cause I don't have to cheat. I don't need to cheat. If I'm telling you what I'm not getting and what I'm lacking, then nobody's meeting up to what you want from me. You want from me, you want from me, but nobody's giving me nothing.

But the last time that you just cheated, everything was good. We were good. This was our fresh slate. So what did I do wrong then? Nothing.

Yes.

Nothing.

So I'm gonna tell you the incident. So I moved everything from, Florida to New York. We go to this bar. She's sitting there, I'm just there, I don't know anybody. The guy walks in between and he leans over and he's talking to her ear and whatever, whatever. So I'm looking like I'm just gonna play the field 'cause I don't know 'cause a lot of times—

And I ended it soon after that.

Hold on, hold on. A lot of times it be a friend of the family, a cousin or something like that. She always say that, right? So as he left, she turns around to me and start laughing. Oh!

I did giggle. I was nervous.

What you giggling for? I'm dead serious.

It was like a, I was like, oh no, it was nobody.

I know in my head what was going on.

You the cheater, so you trying to flip stuff.

No, I'm not trying to flip. Okay, I'm a cheater, I'm a cheater, whatever you wanna say.

Cool. But you trying to flip it on me 'cause I let it be known.

No, no, no, no, I'm not giving it to you.

But nothing happened, Karamo.

I let you express your entire story and there's nowhere in that story that warrants the behavior of you going back and forth between two women and cheating on both of them. So I, and that's just the reality. Now if you feel like your feelings aren't being heard, then you leave. You don't cheat on both of them. And hold on, and I gotta back this up because you and I are only 3 years apart. You're 40. Yeah. You're dealing with a 28-year-old and a 22-year-old. Yeah, I know. So there is somebody here who should have more maturity.

And that's what I'm lacking. I'm lacking. That's why I came to you for help, for more guidance. My father wasn't there. I always run from a situation when I'm not being heard, when I don't feel like this is gonna work. And you run back to your ex. And I don't wanna do this with her right now.

And that's why you're running back to your ex, to Liza.

I ran back to her.

Because you feel like she's gonna hear you.

No, I mean, we started as friends first. So that's why I give her a little bit of recognition on that because we were friends. So when did you realize that you wanted to make things work? The relationship is not gonna work, never. It wasn't gonna work anyway.

So then if it doesn't work, why are you still sleeping with her?

Because, I mean, it was a comfortable place. If I'm not going to her, I don't wanna start over with somebody else.

So you're used to her. What you mean?

I'm not going to, I'm not finna go sleep with a stranger. I'm not going to sleep I shouldn't be cheating.

I don't know. I want to be clear.

I should take accountability.

No, no. Because what it is, I want to be clear. So you're using Tama?

No, it's not using her cuz. She calls me for it.

She does.

No, she calls him. See, y' all coming.

Y' all jumping the gun. Y' all jumping the gun.

She call him the gun. But she, she called you. But you go in for her every time.

So I'm asking me walking in. But I gotta ask you this. I gotta ask you this because you want a family with Kiara.

Yes, sir.

You want to be solid with her.

Yes, sir.

So you're coming here and your hope is that by unlocking this phone is that you all will get transparency and that this can be—

That's what I want.

That's what you want. I wanna know right now, if you want a family with her and you wanna settle with this, can you tell Tomajah right now, I don't want you, I don't want to sleep with you, and only thing I wanna do is co-parent? Can, no, I don't, no.

Is that what you're saying? Don't use that word 'cause I know she's sensitive. I don't wanna use that word what you just said. Oh, I don't care. I still have a son with her. I still have a son with her.

I said I still want a relationship with you and me.

That's not the mother of my kid. I'm not gonna disrespect you. Karamo. Tamaja, I only wanna co-parent with you. I don't want a relationship with you at all.

Got you.

Tamaja, how do you feel about that?

It's neutral, same. I just wanna co-parent. So y'all just had sex for the fun of it the last time?

Man, we had conversations already. We know we not gonna be together. We're not having no sexual relations. No, none of that. That's what I'm trying to explain to you, but you're not gonna believe me on the behalf of my past or I cheated already. You don't trust me. So now I'm here, I'm trying to see where I could go at to please you, to understand what do I need to do for you to regain my trust again.

Well then that's probably why you're here, to unlock your phone. This is my real life, I'm really trying to do this.

It's time to unlock your phone.

Terrence, we unlocked your phone. Actually, Terrence, we did not unlock your phone. You refused. Okay, okay, okay, I didn't know that. So in hopes of being transparent and building a family.

How? How?

'Cause I already told you, it's stuff in there. I never deleted nothing.

Listen, we watch Karamo every day. He knows damn well you not about to look for nothing old. I want to know that right now for the last couple months, have you Have you been doing it? Have you been solid with me? That's what I wanna know. We said we was starting over. So if we starting over, show me that we're starting over. Show me that it's nothing else.

How do you feel about him not unlocking his phone?

I knew, I figured, you know, like it's not—

You knew this was coming.

Yeah, like, you know, but it's like, you know why we came here for real. I don't know why she's here. So if she's here, why you not unlocking your phone? Why cannot not know that?

So you do understand, because the thing is, I wanna have empathy for your experience, but I can't have empathy for your experience until you take accountability in this moment and do what you need to do as a man and as a father. And because I do appreciate the step you've taken with her, but it didn't feel fully— When he said cap over there, I kind of believed it, because when I first asked you if you could say that, instead of doing it, you gave a response.

Yeah, 'cause he cares about you a little too much. But that's our issue.

That's all I'm saying. I don't know what you expect from me. I don't wanna hurt you. Either one of them.

But how many times have you hurt me? Let's be realistic. You covering her feelings, but it's mine. It's been like that from the beginning. Yes, it is.

So you want me to say yes just to make you happy?

Yes, absolutely.

So tell her, so just say absolutely. So that's what's going to make you happy?

Because why do you give a fuck about how she feel? I don't understand.

I have two children. I have two children. But I'm not gonna do this to me.

The whole time?

Never, never, never.

The whole time, Terrence?

Come on, brother.

Cheating is disrespect. Yes, I got it. But I'm not cursing you, I'm not calling you out your name or none of that. So why would I do that to her?

See, but this is the issue and I'm gonna be real with you. I would love to help you, but when you don't take the steps for me to be able to do that, she's looking for transparency. And when you refuse to unlock your phone, then transparency goes out the window.

Unlocking the phone is not gonna fix anything. That's not gonna fix nothing. We still have problems at home that she's not talking about.

But hold on, but guess what?

If you wanted me to give you the first step, the whole thing is on me cheating and I'm not getting that part.

No, it's deeper than that. That's why I said I didn't know why she was here 'cause it was deeper than that.

What's the inner core for me to do all this stuff?

But my thing is, if you want, listen, you want me to give you all of me, I don't trust you right now. You know that, you know why. You have done too many things. You have hurt me and hurt me and hurt me. So if you can show me right now that you are just not doing nothing, you here with me, then we can, this will be a clean slate. Cool, we're good. But you won't do that because you know that you probably doing something. And that's, I only know about her. God forbid who else, you get what I'm saying?

[Speaker:KARAMO] So, so, you, The truth of the matter is if you want this to work, be more transparent with these two women. Start with the one you're living with and then start with the other one that has to co-parent. Because right now, keeping them in limbo, going back and forth, there's no transparency. All that feels like is you're building lies, you're building deceit, you're building just things that are never going to help you to be healthy as a family. So now that you got information and you got information, y'all gotta make decisions. And I don't wanna see you alone, but I do feel like you gotta do some growing alone before you can be with either of these women. And that's the truth. Maybe. Not a maybe, that's it. All right, stay with us, friends. We'll be right back with more. It's not happening. And that's the whole reason, like, I can't give you the support that I think you do deserve. But she needs to know that you're gonna stop the BS and you're not giving it to her. Because the real thing, if I would've given her advice outside this, I would've told her to leave this already. But it's unfair.

All right.

It's unfair. Give her the transparency she deserves and let her go. No problem. Good job. All right, gimme a hug.